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Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« on: February 08, 2012, 03:10:41 pm »
Looking at the husky side of leaf blowers I have noticed the smaller to med sized ones are using a Rotary valve carb instead of the diaphragm carbs shown on the bigger units.

Can anyone tell me what this Rotary valve carb is and is it rebuildable like the older dia carbs?
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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 04:54:25 pm »
Generally speaking a rotary valve engine takes its' intake through the crankcase by means of a rotating disc .I think the advantage being a higher torque engine  than piston port without the nuisance of reed flutter,broken reeds etc of a reed engine .

I have no idea if or why the carb should be different .

Vespa motor scooters used them and some Brit 2 cycle motorcyles . I think one of my old boat anchor Homelite gear drives might be rotary .

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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 09:28:12 pm »
The rotary valve Walbro carbs I have work differently from a butterfly carb.

The rotary valve is controlled by a cam and when the air part is closed, the barrel rotor is all the in and when the air part is twisted open, the barrel rotor is all the way out.

The fuel enters the center of the barrel and as the barrel twist in and out it varies the fuel flow.

The idle needle is in the center of the barrel.

The HS needle varies the over all fuel flow.

On mine, to prime the engine, you close the carb and pull out on the rotor. The vacuum of the engine pulls fuel in through the fully open fuel metering system.

I had it over to your shop when I brought the engines and cylinders but didn't know you were interested in the barrel type Walbro carbs.
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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 11:06:53 am »
I had it over to your shop when I brought the engines and cylinders but didn't know you were interested in the barrel type Walbro carbs.

I noticed the lower end husqvarna backpack blowers from the $200 to $350 range all had rotary carbs and that bothers me. So I am trying to learn more about them.
I would  prefer the old diaphragm carbs I am familiar with. 
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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 12:13:38 pm »
The rotary or barrel type carbs still have the pump and metering diaphragms in most cases. Some times they are piggy backed on top of each other. I think there are some where the strength of the pump's volume is biased by engine speed instead of actually having a metering diaphragm and needle/seat as we know it.

It is just that the fuel is metered out differently in the throttle itself.

These rotary throttles are typically black plastic.

On a butterfly carb, the one side of the butterfly uncovers more holes in the low speed circuit until you are running from the high speed nozzle in the venturi.

On a barrel rotor carb the main fuel comes out a hollow spray bar that is in the center of the barrel. The low speed screw that is in the center of the barrel from the throttle lever side telescopes in and out of the spray bar according to how open the carb is. They use the tolerance of the O.D. of the low speed needle relative to the i.d. of the high speed spray bar and how far "IN" the low speed needle is inside the spray bar to adjust the fuel flow for the different throttle openings.
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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2012, 04:30:36 pm »
I have a Husky 125BT 2004 back pack in the shop.  It uses a rotary vane carb.  If I remember the carb. was an odd number like TZ.  The diaphrams, gaskets, needle, etc. are all ordered separately (no kit)around $60 just for parts (got them @ Jacks).  I have been unable to get the dang thing to run properly.  Set the needle start runs OK.  Go back 2 days later won't start.  Play w/needle height same story.  I got aggravated and threw it in the corner a 2 years ago.  With parts and labor $85 (no mark up on parts).  At that time I could buy a refurb 125BT for $149 delivered.  Still haven't fixed it.  It's not worth putting a $111.00 carb. on it.  Maybe one day I'll go back to it.
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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 06:47:36 am »
  The diaphrams, gaskets, needle, etc. are all ordered separately (no kit)around $60 just for parts (got them @ Jacks). It's not worth putting a $111.00 carb. on it.

Thanks for that info right there. I will be passing on any backpack blower with rotary valve carb. Which is the first half of the husky line up.
Time to start looking deeper into stihl blowers now and anyone with  diaphragm carbs I am used to.
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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 08:40:29 am »
It is not unusual to see weird carbs on blowers because they basically run full throttle and idle.

Most have single needle carbs and carbs smaller than what you would see on the corresponding size engine on a chainsaw.
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Re: Carburetion Rotary valve ?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 06:25:49 pm »
Ratioparts and Blount have repair and membrane kits for these.
Others too I bet..

The rotary valve carb is used on trimmers and hedge cutters in various brand as well.
I don't think I seen it in any saw....

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