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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2016, 07:46:14 pm »
@Philbert  I cant find that rechargeable chainsaw thread you did here. The one where you tested and told about each.  I am trying to find out if any was the 20 volt size.
Maybe you can check with the site administrator to find it?

 I only looked at cordless tools that were 36 V and above.  Generally, that is what I would advise. I would also generally recommend that you look at the 'family' of tools, in case you decide to add more later, and share the batteries, Chargers, etc. 

In this case, however, I may differ.  I also do not like the long shaft string trimmers. I like the way that my corded, Toro, electric string trimmer feels best.  So maybe you want to buy a 'one off' tool just for her.  Check out the Ryobi tools Home Depot.   You might have better choices than the Black and Decker ones.

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LOL at first sentence.  I guess I can go and check threads you started to find it.

Already bought the 20 volt trimmer today.  Now looking at the 10" limb saw that will use the same battery. ;)

Found it. It wasnt a thread started but a post with pics in a oregon thread you did.  Looks like it was mostly corded and 40 volt cordless chainsaws.

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As mentioned, I like electric chainsaws (photos 1,2). I brought the electron group out to breathe and to compare size, design, features, etc.  The Remington (8 amp) is a very lightweight, light duty unit sold as part of a pole saw.  The Sears (12 amp) is almost 25 years old and NLA.  So I only compared cutting with 3, more current models: the Oregon CS1500 (15 amps), a Makita UC4000 (13 amps), and the Oregon CS250 (40 volt).  Each of these has a PowerSharp (3/8 low profile, .050, reduced kickback) chain. I should point out that the Sears originally came equipped with an older version of PowerSharp (a.k.a. 'Barracuda Chain'), and the Makita has been replaced by a newer model (UC4030, 15 amps).

Subjective and informal, totally qualitative testing was done in my secret test facility, hidden in a residential neighborhood, which is fiercely guarded (photo 3).  Temps were 38F. I used Husqvarna winter weight bar oil.  Wood was 4 to 8 inch diameter birch, cut maybe 6 weeks ago, and 7 inch diameter pine, cut maybe 8 months ago, scrounged from neighbors.  Due to recent temperatures, this wood may have still been frozen when cut. You can see my patent pending log mount/test fixture, cleverly camouflaged as a picnic table (photo 4, 5).

I used a 50', 12/3 extension cord, on a 15 amp GFCI protected circuit, to be sure that the saws had plenty of power, and because I was standing in slushy snow.  All of the corded tools are double insulated.

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The difference in power and chain speed between the 40 volt battery saw, and the corded electrics was immediately apparent.  While the CS250 was able to cut all of the wood, and certainly offers some convenience being untethered by a cord, it was clearly in another class of saw.  The CS1500 (15 amps, 18" bar) and Makita (13 amps, 16" bar) were very competitive.  Handle spacing was almost identical, except that the Oregon has an angled front/top handle, like Husqvarna saws.  Actual difference in bar length was only 1".

Performance between these 2 saws was also comparable.  I did not do timed tests.  The Makita is maybe 10 years old (a HD rental rescue) with a used PowerSharp chain.  The Oregon is fresh out of the box, with a brand new PowerSharp chain.  So, again, it was not a controlled test.

PowerSharp cuts fairly aggressively, when sharpened (photo 1). Cuts with all 3 saws were very smooth (photo 2).  The PowerSharp chain also noodles well (photo 3)!

There are some objective differences between the corded saws.  The Oregon has a side-winder style motor, and the Makita is an in-line design.  This could affect balance in some situations, and the ability to work in tight spaces (e.g. thick hedges), but was not an issue for this type of cutting.  The Oregon corded saw also has an electric brake: when you release the trigger, the chain stops immediately.  The chain on this Makita coasts, which could be a safety issue.  All 3 saws are equipped with a conventional, lever operated chain brake, similar to those on gas powered chainsaws.

The CS1500 has a surprisingly strong air stream that blows out of the bottom.  I could not figure out where this was coming from at first, but ended up using it to blow off chips.  It also has very large spacing around handles, so that someone with large hands and gloves can easily fit them in there, although, I did not have any trouble grasping either handle with smaller hands.

I am not a big fan of tool-less chain tensioners.  This one was easier to use than several of the others I have tried: a large knob in the center replaces the bar nut, and the large ring on the outside adjusts tension.  I still feel that I can do this more accurately with a screwdriver, and the additional hardware under the cover makes the chain slightly harder to mount.  But this feature is pretty common for a consumer product to remain competitive today.

Bottom line?  I was very impressed with my once-over and this very limited test.  The CS1500 is almost half the price of the Makita (street prices), and cut competitively.  A more objective, quantitative, laboratory test might be to compare it side-by-side with the current (15 amp) Makita model, and with the similarly priced, WORX 15 amp, 18" saw.  But I would feel very comfortable recommending this to a friend.  Equipped with the PowerSharp chain, and the built-in sharpener, this is a good, low maintenance cutting choice, for use in the city, or anywhere near an outlet.

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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2016, 08:14:01 pm »
I was on my phone, so had to stick with a short answer.

I have most of the Oregon 40V family: chainsaw, polesaw, string trimmer, hedge trimmer, and leaf blower.  I am pretty happy with each one.  It is really convenient to be able to share batteries and chargers, due to the nature of battery tools, limited run time, cost of the batteries, etc.

If you are planning on getting more than one, it is worth it to check out whole line ahead of time.  Chances are, if you are looking at quality brands, you will choose one tool that you are passionate about (e.g. cordless chainsaw), and find that the other tools compare 'close enough' to justify sticking with one brand/battery platform.  That said, there may be cases where one product offers special features that make a difference.  For example, you may run all 18V DeWalt contractor tools, but find that a certain Milwaukee or Bosch specialty tool is unique enough to buy it with its own battery.

I mentioned the Ryobi line 'cause some of their battery OPE is less expensive, look like they will hold up of a couple of years, and are easy to find at Home Depot. If you are looking at that 10 inch, 20 V B&D saw, you might also want to consider the alligator saw - it will handle brush and small stuff in a way that your conventional saws can't.  Would be worth the review, and might give you new capabilities.
http://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-LLP120B-Lithium-Alligator/dp/B00AZW9ZL8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1457914195&sr=8-3&keywords=black+decker+20+volt+chainsaw

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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2016, 09:12:25 pm »
Good lord dont let her found out about that. She was already asking about the battery powered loppers.  ;)
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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2016, 12:36:46 pm »
She went through both batts using the trimmer today.
So on full power #2 using constantly you get 25mins run time. Using the lower power setting for power saver #1 you get 35mins constantly using.

She was very happy with it and was impressed it was doing more then she expected the little trimmer to be able to do.  Super thick high grasses around bluebird houses and trees.
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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2016, 12:42:06 pm »
Think I will get her own tools in this set up too. The drill etc and whatever else I can find so she has her own stuff. If it all pans out.

http://www.blackanddecker.com/en-us/products/product-stories/20v

 :D the alligator loppers is what she thought was the power loppers. I explained to her what it was. Not on those but yes on the chainsaw and drill.
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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2016, 02:02:25 pm »
So on full power #2 using constantly you get 25mins run time. Using the lower power setting for power saver #1 you get 35mins constantly using.

Were those the 1.5 Ah batteries? I see that they also offer a 4.0 Ah battery.

It's nice to have the larger capacity battery for longer run time.  It's also nice to have at least 2 batteries, so one can be charging while you keep working with the other.  As long as I am spending other peoples' money.  .  . 

If those batteries are hard to find when it is time to replace them, Batteries + can rebuild them. Sometimes it is a good deal.  Sometimes you can find OEM replacements cheaper on Amazon, eBay, etc.

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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2016, 02:06:24 pm »
So on full power #2 using constantly you get 25mins run time. Using the lower power setting for power saver #1 you get 35mins constantly using.

Were those the 1.5 Ah batteries? I see that they also offer a 4.0 Ah battery.

It's nice to have the larger capacity battery for longer run time.  It's also nice to have at least 2 batteries, so one can be charging while you keep working with the other.  As long as I am spending other peoples' money.  .  . 

If those batteries are hard to find when it is time to replace them, Batteries + can rebuild them. Sometimes it is a good deal.  Sometimes you can find OEM replacements cheaper on Amazon, eBay, etc.

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Yep that is the little guys and got 2.

I looked at the bigger one you list above and also a 45min  fast charger for her too. Just worried about the weight of the bigger battery for her.
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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2016, 06:58:14 pm »
Well she now has 4 20V batteries 3 1.5 and 1 2.0 with 3 chargers.  The weedeater, rear handle chainsaw and a drill.

I forgot what it was like to run a chainsaw without AV  :o.  Uses Oregon 90 40DL chain. Guessing 90 is .043. Manual oiler.
The 40V one was auto oiler but then we get into different batts.

She was real happy how light weight the chainsaw was with batt and how light the drill was too. She also said it is so nice to not have to try and start the gas stuff and call you for help. ;D ;) 
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Re: Battery weed trimmer
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2016, 09:09:52 pm »
Keep the chain sharp, and it should do well on appropriate sized wood: green stuff 4" diameter and smaller.  Larger stuff with patience?

Oregon Type 90 chain is 3/8 low profile and 0.043 gauge.  For some reason, it says to use a 4.5mm (5/64") diameter file, instead of the standard 1/8" for Type 91 chain (3/8 low profile and 0.050 gauge).  Oregon says the the cutter has a different profile.  I have it on my 10" cordless pole saw (40V), and use the 4.5mm file - it really cuts quite aggressively that way.  Might be worth investing in the odd size file?

You will really appreciate the difference between the batteries.  Let us know how it works out over time!

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Re: Black Decker 20V
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2016, 12:37:28 pm »
Changed the name of thread to BD 20V since that is the way it went.

Just reading more on chain.  Frawleys carries them for easy ordering.  Oregon PX

90PX040G Oregon saw chain 40 DL 90-40 .043 gauge 1.1mm R40 http://www.loggerchain.com/90PX040G-Oregon-saw-chain-40-DL-90-40-043-gauge-11mm-R40-90PX040G.htm

90PX / R-Series Chain https://www.oregonproducts.com/pro/products/chain/90PX.htm

90 PX Micro Lite info https://www.oregonproducts.com/pdfs/90PX_ChainSaw_SawChain.pdf





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