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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2012, 11:30:33 pm »
So how close is the 119 and the 6000i ? I only know the 6000i Jim had at my place to compare to.

I don't have a clue to be honest.  But I am surprised at how much they look alike.
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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2012, 11:33:34 pm »
For reference, here are some pictures of my 6000iH taken by cut4fun. The saw is 60cc completely original and is identical in looks to the 6800i. The 6000/6800 came out in 1997 and were a redesign of the 116Si and 120Si. It is a sweetheart to cut with. The green Poulan seen in one of the pictures is a 1997 3500 60cc

Did you guys run the Poulan 3500 and if so how did it compare to the 6000iH.
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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2012, 11:43:58 pm »
The Poulan 3500 is not as powerful as the 6000i.

The Dolmar 6000i is still a classic Sachs

The Poulan is open port and the HDA 49 carb is smaller

The Poulan 3750 has more power than a 3500 but IMHO is still not as powerful as the 6000i
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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2012, 11:46:17 pm »
IMO the 3750 3500 365 poulans are no comparison to that 6000i I ran of Jim's in the cut. The torque of the 6000 was unreal.

Here was a mini gtg we had with 4 cube size saws. The wood became inconsistent. So it is what it is.

Well guys this ended up wash imho. The wood was to inconsistent.  Started off  hard and knotty and would get smaller as cuts went and wood would get softer. Ran out of 1st log so started on 2nd log and it was rock hard with swirls in heart wood and got smaller and softer too.

Also the saw that impressed me the most except for it's weight was the like new Dolmar 6000i.

I will post saws as ran in order and you will see what I mean.

362xp  9.78  11.18 - (knot) wood  size started 16" tall x 18" wide

365 SP 9.52  9.69

415   8.44   8.78  wood seemed softer and getting smaller

4000  9.90  10.09  wood seemed lot softer

6000i  8.47  7.53  wood was a lot softer and measured 15.5" tall x 16.5" wide wood seemed to have a punky outer ring

357 8.25 7.59  same as above

PP365  9.25  9.37  " " "

3500  9.25  9.28   " " "

Ran out of log went to 2nd log, This log was rock hard and swirled hear wood. Then fell off quick to very soft smaller wood

3750 15.94  18.09 - (knot city)  rock hard 16.25" tall x 17.5" wide

036  11.53  10.85  seemed super hard

6000  12.03   11.60

365 SP 9.68   8.50  noticed wood fell off big time super soft

357   8's 7's wood was ridiculously soft now and quit


To me the 415, 6000i, 365 SP  saws were the torque saws.

Was a little frustrating not being able to do a fair comparison with all saws in consistent wood.

Still had fun and talking chainsaws. Also learned about the Dolmar i series saws. Never knew they didnt have a choke type butterfly. Was neat to check all of that out.

Sorry guys I tried but the wood was just inconsistent to call a winner.
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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2012, 11:47:47 pm »
That series of Dolmars sure are sweet looking saws.
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For older saws:
Tune the H side so that it 4-strokes (burbles) at WOT unloaded and just cleans up when under load.
When you lift cutting load, the saw should immediately revert to 4-stroking.  Fine tune the transition point for the wood you're cutting.

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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2012, 11:55:47 pm »
I was looking on Acres at the Dolmars

Looks like the 119 was an immediate predecessor to the original straight 120 with a little difference in the top cover.

Somewhere along in here they changed from points to solid state and single coil from source coil and main coil?

The 116Si came out in 87 and was 60cc with 1mm more stroke and less bore. The 120Super was in the same chassis and was 68cc

I hope I got that right but even acres is not completely reliable. Looks like the 119 was only around a year or two before it became the 120?
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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2012, 11:59:55 pm »
The 119 I have is the two piece electronic ignition.  Very hard to find parts for it hence a donor saw.
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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2012, 12:12:50 am »
One thing is for sure and that is the old Dolmars have a strong following and the reason is that they were great chainsaws
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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2012, 05:05:56 pm »
My Dad has the very first 119 delivered to the West Coast. The Dolmar  salesman (big German dude) went to the port in SF, picked it up himself and came up and personally delivered it.

I think this one is different then the other 119's. It would eat up any other 119 my Grandpa sold. I finally tore it down a few months ago and the combustion chamber is very odd (almost rectangle) and the piston is in with the ring pins on the exhaust side but the arrow on top is pointed out the exhaust...

Maybe someone can tear theirs down and we can compare...

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Re: Dolmar 119
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2013, 01:41:59 am »
I know it is quite late, but I might be able to ad sth. considering the questions above.

Dolmar 119 came in the very late 70ties, together with 117 and was sold until about 1983. Almost identical, 117 got point ignition and was sold as "Farmer Saw", the 119 was about 130 Dollar more expensive and had fully electronic ignition. As you already said, one of the very first ones with different elements mounted on a plate, impossible to repair if one of them had failed. The ignition is also the reason why 119 had slightly more power in the spec sheet, it came with the black covers of the full professional saws. The 117 had to stay in all orange with a red handlebar and therefore looks a bit inferior. Clever marketing and definitely on of the nicest saws ever built.

Well, in the early 80ties they modified the 119 very slightly and called it 120. It had a different carb and a plastic filter cover, also a slightly different shape of the corner between crankcase and tank right to the starter assembly. They also put some kind of rubber sealing between crankcase and cover which usually got lost over the time. Whole engine and ignition stayed the same. They also skipped the remarkable design of the 119-starter that was not fully ventilated and kept solid on the left side. 120-starters were full opened but still all metal, in contrast e.g. to 114 that always had a plastic starter.

As a basically completely new saw, they released the 120 si in the late 80ties. Dolmar kept their remarkable design for a very long time and it looks still very familiar. However the parts between 120si and 120/119 were almost not interchangeable anymore, everything was new designed.

The 120si was a beast, 68 ccm, plastic tank, modern "single module ignition" outside the flywheel (better cooling), much better air filter etc etc...and basically the same weight as the old 119 !!!

The 116si the came as a "small" version of the 120si and except cylinder and piston, 120si and 116si were absolutely identical !
However, since for professional use the power to weight ratio was always so important (and 116si was not reasonable lighter than 120si) in forestry 116si was almost not used at all, they switched to 115 instead. The 115-complex (110, 115, 109, ps52 etc) had already replaced the whole 112 and 114 series at that time and came with 2.7 kW!

In short, 119 and 116si are quite far away considering parts, time of production and motivation for development, the almost identical displacement is more or less a coincidence...

In contrast, many customers like home owners got the 116si instead since it was cheaper (strange, one should think that a cylinder kit 7 ccm smaller is the same amount of work to produce) and ended up with an almost undestroyable saw in case of private use. Till today 116si can often be found in very nice conditions.

With the last upgrade, 120si -> ps6800 already under Makita in the early 90ties, the same saw got another sprocket cover (besides some other minor changes in other parts) with a chain brake that was (for the first time in Dolmar history) also "momentum activated" This assembly was quite heavy and the power to weight ratio dropped a lot...end of production somehow early 2000, also sold in Makita blue...

So letís take care about 119 ;-) I am glad having two, all time favorite.

 

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