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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 12:20:32 pm »
Lock topic is when you are done with a thread and dont want nobody to post in it. It is used in the for sale section once something is no longer available.  Not needed here for this thread.

Pic of the IPL EVL I posted above, you must have overlooked it.
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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2011, 12:24:51 pm »
Yes, I agree with chainsawrepair, i would just flush the crankcase.
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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2011, 02:25:24 pm »
Chainsawrepair,

I did find the pictures you posted and the older saw is definitely the saw I am dealing with.

Your recommendation of flushing the crank case multiple times and then repeating the process while including turning the crank shaft does make a lot of sense.  I believe I understood you indicated I should use fuel mix as the flushing agent.  If I didn't get that correctly please let me know.

At this point I will plan to proceed with the flushing process and will set the case splitting aside unless it feels like there may be problems in the bearings or that the flushing was not adequate to clear all of the debris.

Will check into the case splitting information you referred to for interests sake at this point, hopefully flushing will do the job.

All of the time and research you put into assisting me with this saw repair are sincerely appreciated.  Will be looking forward to a thread or point in time when I may be able to assist or support you in some way.  You did the bulk of the follow up for me, but all of the other input from other members will also be remembered and is appreciated.

I will give it a shot from here.  Hopefully this has helped me over the hump, so to speak, so I can repair the damage caused.  Will intend to attach some pictures to provide you with some more information on my self generated problem.

Thank you again,

Nick, North West Farmer

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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2011, 05:22:58 pm »
If the thing swallowed the hardware on just a start up you stand about a 95 percent chance it didn't hurt a thing .I did exactly that on a 125 Mac and it just slightly dented the area on one transfer port and scratched the piston a tiny bit .That old classic is alive and well and actually cut circles around a big Stihl recentley at a GTG so it isn't hurt a bit .

Don't get over rambuctious with trying to roll it over .It might be a thing it needs rolled backwards .Play it nice and easy now .You might need to do a little buff work on the cylinder and piston but with luck it will run yet another day and may for years to come .It's never over until the fat lady sings,the fat one with horns . ;)

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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2011, 11:10:03 pm »

Nick, That is what this site is about, learning and sharing info FREEly, nothing to hide or keep private from people here.  ;D
Also cut4fun and chainsawrepair is same person. Just so you dont get confused.  ;)

I learned from your thread too. There is 2 echo 440. I knew something was up when you wanted to split case and MOS posted the clamshell 440. I searched and found the older and newer saws. So it was a win win.

If posting pics a free outside source like photobucket is easiest to use links like IMG code or you can try and resize pics small and embed here.

Post your build if you feel like it. I dont get inside echo's and wouldnt mind seeing and learning. All I have touched is a 452 and 8000 and only outside things on them. I know I didnt care for 452 set up.
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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2011, 11:13:41 pm »
The complete older echo 440 IPL  http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Echo%20CS-440EVL%20and%20CS-440EVLP.pdf

CS440EVL and CS440EVLP
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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2011, 06:20:11 am »
cut4fun,

I was looking through the resources I had put together and at some point in time I had printed out the parts manual you provided the link for.  I acquired it from either: the Chairsawrs web site, or the Media Search site under, s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams, or something like that.

Pictures are usually very helpful to me to gain a more complete understanding of many posts.  As you said, they are often of significant educational value.

It was interesting that when I began the cs-440EVL project my reaction was much like yours, the design and set up of the saws' internals seem to be much more involved and complicated than most.  From a standpoint of maintenance things are not very well located for ease of access. 

While the saw was running it was a tremendous mid size machine.  Up to the point in time that it began to react as though it was leaning out and was not adjustable, thus getting me involved deeper than planned, it was one of my favorites. A cast off from my Son, who had received it from his father-in-law.  It was heavier than his Jonsered of similar size so he passed it along to good old Dad.

For it's age it had stayed in extremely good shape due to lack of use for years and I hated to take it into the brush and beat it up so it looks almost brand new.  If it returns to life, it will get used!

Nick, North West Farmer

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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2011, 06:27:43 am »
Say it just dawned on me. I think I saw one of these in the dead pile at a Stihl dealers a few weeks ago .It had a tag that said the piston was scorched but it was tagged by the city parks department so who knows .The thing felt okay to me pulling over .

I really wasn't interested in it so I didn't even ask the price and it was a tad too small because I was looking for a 3 cuber for a cookie cutter and that  wasn't the one .

Probabley about the first of Dec I'll be ordering parts to rebuild a Stihl 200T for my bud the tree trimmer and a seal for mine .If interested I could investigate more and inquire the price .The saw was complete bar and all ,nothing missing .Being an Echo it's highly unlikeley anyone is going to snap it up real soon unless they were looking for parts which narrows it down because most people have no idea how the fix them .

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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 02:33:32 pm »
Al Smith,

I definitely would be interested in the ECHO chainsaw.  If you don't mind investigating about it a little further, especially the price they would ask for it.

It will be awhile until I complete my repair of the saw I have been posting about.  If everything goes well and I end up with a good saw once again, that would peak my interest.  If this chainsaw ends up being a tremendous pain to get up and going, interest in another saw of the same type will likely be minimized, if you know what I mean.

If it doesn't require much extra effort on your part, I am interested, if the price is reasonable, considering that some shipping cost will need to be included.

Thank you much for your interest and do let me know about chainsaw.  Some of the best chainsaws I have today came from surprising places.

Nick, North West Farmer

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Re: ECHO CS-440EVL: OOPS installing new intake adapter
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 01:07:18 pm »
I wanted to let the guys that have assisted me with the ECHO CS-440EVL know I have received all of the parts that should be needed to get the saw cleaned out and put back together.  I received several extra piston rings and sets of gaskets so I am all set , even if it becomes necessary to split the case, which would occur if flushing the crank case is not successful.

So much time has past since my original post you probably have forgotten about this post, but I have finally worked through other higher priority projects and the 440EVL is moving to the top of the priority list again, so I will very likely have some new questions when I get back to this saw, probably sometime in the next couple of weeks.

Heavy rain, mud, flooding,  loosing the rear brakes on my Toyota Land Cruiser and a hot water heat exchanger failure have contributed to putting this project to the back of the work bench for the last few weeks. If the rain slows down and the creeks don't rise we should be back on course.

Thank you all for the help you have provided up to this point.  I think I have figured out how Photobucket works so I should be able to provide pictures and document the process.

Looking forward to getting this nice little saw back in service.

Nick, North West Farmer

 

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