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Offline 1manband

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kwf test site lists the following models with tests expiring in 2014.

found here:  http://www.kwf-online.de/deutsch/pruef/pruefergebnisse/aagw/motorsaegen/

under the "Anerkennungsende" heading. 


HUSQ 576XP
HUSQ 390XP
STIHL MS280

what does this mean?  simply a re-test?  due possible model emission upgrade/addon?  phase out?  nothing whatsoever?

thoughts?  572?

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2002/88 EG is the reg for emissions in Europe I believe. Not sure how it works but perhaps the older saws have to be re-tested to meet a new standards? 

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From what EHP has heard and posted, the dirty saws are done.  3120 395 390.
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From what EHP has heard and posted, the dirty saws are done.  3120 395 390.

will the models ehp mentioned be upgraded in some way?

kwf test looks valid for the 395xp until september 2018.   the 3120 was not tested, at least data was not posted publicly.  the 390xp test sunsets at end of this year.

was trying to find out if this would be a pattern for new or improved saws based on kwf tests.

don't know how the european emissions are tested.  but here, the epa does not do its own testing.


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Got to have Ed fill you in. They already dropped one of them in Canada from what he says.  Maybe he will chime in here too.
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snipped from an old (2002) document found here:  http://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/pubs/html/02511204/02511204.htm

"The EPA essentially restricts manufacturers to production in the model year indicated, but allows for distribution of current inventory, regardless of the year manufactured. Provisions within the regulations prevent manufacturers from “stockpiling” inventory before ceasing production of a product line. Consequently, the consumer will be able to buy new chain saws or pumps certified to a prior year, but in limited quantity.

EPA and CARB have an “average banking and trading” emissions program in which a manufacturer is given “credits” for producing cleaner-than-required engines. Manufacturers can trade these credits for permission to produce engines that do not meet the current regulations. In this way, the EPA continues to realize an overall improvement in air quality while providing incentive to the manufacturer. The current ratio for converting credits is approximately eight clean engines to one out-of-compliance engine. Each year the ratio of clean engines will increase, with fewer out-of-compliance engines sold under the credit program. The banking and trading program, which the EPA and CARB closely monitor, allows the consumer to buy a limited number of out-of-compliance pumps or saws."

if this is still valid, they can still sell the old models?

a list of epa certified engines. 

The published list of EPA emission-certified engines by model year appears on the Web at  http://www.epa.gov/otaq/certdata.htm#smallsiand can be accessed by using Excel or FileMaker Pro software. The database is updated quarterly.

don't have excel or filemaker on this laptop to see if it works.

edit: fixed link

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So the EPA regs for saws are the same as autos, In that the average (emissions) of the fleet must meet a certain requirement? 

 

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There's a couple freebie shareware style spread sheets you can find on the Internet that will run Excell just like you had the real program.

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KWF tests must be renewed after 5 years - simple as that.  ;)

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Kevin I'm not going to say much but just sit back and watch as the **** hits the fan, no one wants to believe this **** could happen but sorry to say yes it can and it has happened , Its not going to happen over night as there are alots of saws sitting at ware houses but in 8 months or so it is going to happen

 

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