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Title: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: JOE.G on September 03, 2012, 07:46:56 pm
I am just wondering which should i run on the following saws,
Husqvarna 562XP Woods Ported with .025 pop up Muffler Mod 18,20 or 24 Inch Bar
Husqvarna Rancher 55 2005 18 Inch Bar
Husqvarna 450 Anniversary Edition 2010 16 or 18 Inch Bar
STIHL 009 1998 14 or 16 Inch Bar
STIHL HT 131 Pole Saw 2012 12 Inch Bar

Thanks
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 03, 2012, 07:51:31 pm
I am just wondering which should i run on the following saws,
Husqvarna 562XP Woods Ported with .025 pop up Muffler Mod 18,20 or 24 Inch Bar
Husqvarna Rancher 55 2005 18 Inch Bar
Husqvarna 450 Anniversary Edition 2010 16 or 18 Inch Bar
STIHL 009 1998 14 or 16 Inch Bar
STIHL HT 131 Pole Saw 2012 12 Inch Bar

Thanks

JMO

1. 20" to 24" 3/8 7 or 8 test and see
2. 18" 325 7
3. 16" 325 7
4. 14
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: JOE.G on September 03, 2012, 07:57:30 pm
The Rancher is running a 3/8 Chain.

 I figured 7 would be what I should run on all.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: EHP on September 03, 2012, 08:50:43 pm
7 tooth all the way , no need for a 8 tooth gear on that small of a saw if your cutting any size of real hardwood
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 04, 2012, 09:55:21 am
Like Ed said 7T only.
I'm getting more tanks thru my 272XP-16" now and have had a 8T rim on it since the 1st tank. The torquey 272 motors thru hardwood like there's no tomorrow.
 Haven't pulled the muff screen yet but it doesn't have the same powerband as my 372XP. The 372 screams and hisses, the 272 just torques it's way thru the wood.
Can't wait to muffler mod the 272.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: SawTroll on September 04, 2012, 11:55:10 am
The Rancher is running a 3/8 Chain.

 I figured 7 would be what I should run on all.

Change it to .325x7 for better performance.

On the flip side, I would at least try 3/8x8 with the shortest bar on the 562xp (but preferably a 16" bar).....
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 04, 2012, 12:27:33 pm
Only reason I was thinking try a 8T on  562 was if it was used  for limbing.  Of course he probably dont switch back and forth like some of us  ;D
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: JOE.G on September 04, 2012, 07:02:14 pm
I just put a new bar on the rancher, So it'll be a bit before I try and different chain on that since I have new 3/8 chain also. But at some point ill give it a shot.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: EHP on September 04, 2012, 08:05:35 pm
Sawtroll I donot see how .325 is going to give him any better cutting speed , 3/8's is faster period , end of story , even on the crap 40cc huskys 3/8's is faster as long as you know how to file . Cutting in the bush even on saws like a 385 I only run 7 tooth , hell on the farms 660 it runs a 7 tooth cause the 8 pin sure heats the hell out of the motor in those big 5 foot in diameter hardwood cuts , You guys have no idea on how many times I have been told a 8 pin is faster on a saw like a 372 when the guy is falling timber , then show him its not , biggest thing is most guys chain is not sharp so they start pushing on it , make the chain sharp is the biggest thing you can do to cut faster , if you think a new chain out of the box is sharp then believe me its not even close to what it can be and that goes for round filed to
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 05, 2012, 11:21:11 am
The Rancher is running a 3/8 Chain.

 I figured 7 would be what I should run on all.

Change it to .325x7 for better performance.

On the flip side, I would at least try 3/8x8 with the shortest bar on the 562xp (but preferably a 16" bar).....
I have to say ST is right here. A .325  20-21LPX or the BPX semi chisel for durability is a good choice for a 55 Rancher.
Back in the day pulpcutting I ran Windsor 58 J .325 semi chisel with a 9 T rim on my 630 Jonsered and that stuff cut nice and smooth. When I switched to the "new then" Stihl 034 I dropped to a 7T with the same chain.

I agree 3/8 can be used if sharpened properly, but we all know a 3/8 cuts the best when filed back to about 2/3 size cutter [ the size a .325 cutter is when new]. So you have no waiting to get to that point with the .325
From my travels alot of sawchain used by the weekenders never gets to 2/3 anyway.

Having said all that don't compare race chain to round filed work chain.

Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: man of stihl on September 06, 2012, 08:33:41 pm
Sawtroll I donot see how .325 is going to give him any better cutting speed , 3/8's is faster period , end of story , even on the crap 40cc huskys 3/8's is faster as long as you know how to file . Cutting in the bush even on saws like a 385 I only run 7 tooth , hell on the farms 660 it runs a 7 tooth cause the 8 pin sure heats the hell out of the motor in those big 5 foot in diameter hardwood cuts , You guys have no idea on how many times I have been told a 8 pin is faster on a saw like a 372 when the guy is falling timber , then show him its not , biggest thing is most guys chain is not sharp so they start pushing on it , make the chain sharp is the biggest thing you can do to cut faster , if you think a new chain out of the box is sharp then believe me its not even close to what it can be and that goes for round filed to
I agree with you 110% Ed. I like the 3/8  7 on everything. You sharpen the tooth to match your saw....
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 07, 2012, 09:52:14 am
Sawtroll I donot see how .325 is going to give him any better cutting speed , 3/8's is faster period , end of story , even on the crap 40cc huskys 3/8's is faster as long as you know how to file . Cutting in the bush even on saws like a 385 I only run 7 tooth , hell on the farms 660 it runs a 7 tooth cause the 8 pin sure heats the hell out of the motor in those big 5 foot in diameter hardwood cuts , You guys have no idea on how many times I have been told a 8 pin is faster on a saw like a 372 when the guy is falling timber , then show him its not , biggest thing is most guys chain is not sharp so they start pushing on it , make the chain sharp is the biggest thing you can do to cut faster , if you think a new chain out of the box is sharp then believe me its not even close to what it can be and that goes for round filed to
I agree with you 110% Ed. I like the 3/8  7 on everything. You sharpen the tooth to match your saw....
Yes, but the consensus is the majority of the saw population is factory stock. ;)
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Playinwood on September 07, 2012, 06:45:42 pm
Holmen put a stop watch to your stock stuff.
These guys have spent countless hours studying chain and every other chainsaw thing known to man,325 is out the door.
torque beats speed...
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 07, 2012, 10:15:29 pm
Holmen put a stop watch to your stock stuff.
These guys have spent countless hours studying chain and every other chainsaw thing known to man,325 is out the door.
torque beats speed...
:D
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: SawTroll on September 08, 2012, 06:36:18 pm
Only reason I was thinking try a 8T on  562 was if it was used  for limbing.  Of course he probably dont switch back and forth like some of us  ;D

Thats what it is most likely will be an advantage for. The only way to really know, is of course to try the different options.  ;D
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on September 08, 2012, 10:11:44 pm
I agree that 3/8 is faster, and all of my firewood saws run it. Pulp and logging saws however get .325 chain and the shortest, lightest bar that suits the wood.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 09, 2012, 08:27:02 am
I agree that 3/8 is faster, and all of my firewood saws run it. Pulp and logging saws however get .325 chain and the shortest, lightest bar that suits the wood.
Exactly and the underpowered 53cc Rancher 55 get's the best performance as SawTroll says with the narrow .325
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on September 09, 2012, 09:15:47 am
Its not a performance issue for me, but rather a weight/handling one. All my saws with .325 ran 8 tooth rims, even 242/246 Husky. An typical day was 120 trees on the ground. 50-100 limbs per tree. 8 tooth ruled.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Playinwood on September 09, 2012, 10:28:47 am
Sorry,everything I compare to is firewood or 8,10 or 12 inch on a stand, limbing means nothing to me, when I drop a tree its only 20 to 30 branches and I go in full bore waving the saw around. I'm done in under ten minutes on 100 foot maple tree, and remember stuff in side loaded and moving, constantly trying to pinch your saw.No conifers here.
Maybe 325 is faster in that, but I dont have time to change configurations, besides 1 gauge of chain in a 18,20 and 24 length are priceless.Its all you need.

Besides I dont know how you see into that small stuff to even get an edge, you need magnifying glasses.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on September 09, 2012, 12:15:07 pm
Besides I dont know how you see into that small stuff to even get an edge, you need magnifying glasses.

I can't anymore. Takes me longer to focus on the tooth than to file now. Saws are just for play now anyway.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 09, 2012, 03:25:50 pm
Its not a performance issue for me, but rather a weight/handling one.
weight saving is definately part of the performance factor in  power to weight ratio. Takes less h.p. to spin a lighter chassis chain too.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on September 09, 2012, 06:54:14 pm
I had 3 requirements for a logging saw.
1. 3hp minimum
2. 11lb maximum
3. 14,000 plus rpm.

The 3 I ran in order of favorites.
1. 242/246
2. 026
3. 346OE
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 09, 2012, 08:19:47 pm
I had 3 requirements for a logging saw.
1. 3hp minimum
2. 11lb maximum
3. 14,000 plus rpm.

The 3 I ran in order of favorites.
1. 242/246
2. 026
3. 346OE
Here in central Canada back in the last days before mechanical harvesting came in the early '90s, in our logging camps the saws were Jonsereds 630-670, Husqvarna 268- 272XP, Stihl 34-044-064 all from 16" to 20" b/c. Equal ammount pulp and sawlogs.
In our long winters [winters were alot colder back then] our timber was frozen solid, took a 60cc saw to cut it with authority , 034 was for pulp in the summer.
Around 1987 a engineer from Stihl's German factory, Yurgon Wolfe was his name, he came at the dead of winter and he was surprised we weren't running  50cc or smaller saws in our small timber. We took him to the frozen logs in the landing, he tried a cut with a sharp 034 we had on site. He couldn't believe how tough the cut was, he said that was the first time he saw frozen solid logs.
Changed his way of thinking quick. :D

Old Iron have you tried a 550XP yet?
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on September 10, 2012, 06:10:10 pm
Winters are alittle different here. Not enough ice to get on the lake here in 10 years.

The 550 is not here yet, dealer says maybe spring. I have no desire for one anyway. Besides racesaws there are only 2 saws that interest me. Husky 543 and Stihl 241. My kind of saws. ;)
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: HolmenTree on September 10, 2012, 07:49:02 pm
Winters are alittle different here. Not enough ice to get on the lake here in 10 years.

The 550 is not here yet, dealer says maybe spring. I have no desire for one anyway. Besides racesaws there are only 2 saws that interest me. Husky 543 and Stihl 241. My kind of saws. ;)
Oh I forgot your from the Maritimes here in Canada. We still have 3-4 feet of ice on our lakes in early spring from over the winter.
Are we gonna get the 543 here in Canada?
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on September 10, 2012, 08:13:01 pm
I hope so.
Title: Re: 7 or 8 Pin Rim which should I run on my different saws?
Post by: SawTroll on September 13, 2012, 11:12:37 am
Its not a performance issue for me, but rather a weight/handling one. All my saws with .325 ran 8 tooth rims, even 242/246 Husky. An typical day was 120 trees on the ground. 50-100 limbs per tree. 8 tooth ruled.

That doesn't surprice me at all, in a scenario like that - .325 and 8-pin is right at home in most limbing! ;D