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Title: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun on December 02, 2012, 03:47:01 pm
What model Echo is a John Deere 450V ?   JD 450v JD 450

Title: Re: john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun on December 02, 2012, 04:31:40 pm
Does this sound right?  The 450V which is 45cc and cross references with an Echo CS-4500

http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/1b8e2784f4e2b28888256d0d001f6ff1?OpenDocument

http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/1c053ae9841b4c8c88256ece00167e93?OpenDocument
Title: Re: john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 02, 2012, 06:09:14 pm
Anyone run or have any experience with the echo 4500?

5.1kg = 11.2lbs PHO wonder how close that is to actual.
Title: Re: john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun on December 04, 2012, 07:55:55 pm
Still digging up info. Not much out there on the echo 4500 JD 450

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy_33W2g1Dw
Title: Re: john deere 450 echo 4500
Post by: Cut4fun on December 04, 2012, 07:58:46 pm
Echo CS-4500 IPL   http://www.barrettsmallengine.com/partslist/echocs4500cs4500P.pdf
Title: Re: john deere 450 echo 4500
Post by: Cut4fun on December 08, 2012, 04:47:48 pm
Got JD 450V in and I think  I am going to like.    Hadnt been started in years he said. Poured old mix out put fresh in and 3 pulls    ;D

I'll get some pics in a bit.

Just saving info.......

Quote from: rmh3481;3986582
Here is the schematic;
http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/d315aa84-9ede-49bf-a702-fe26c9166b1d/CS4500_010187.pdf (http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/d315aa84-9ede-49bf-a702-fe26c9166b1d/CS4500_010187.pdf)

Manufactured from 1985-1987.  45cc, 11.2lbs.  Carb; HDA-28 later model show a WT-589 but Im thinking that may be a misprint.

.325 chain.

Should have a two piece ignition;
Primary Coil Resistance: 0.1 - 0.5 Ohms         
Secondary Coil Resistance: 1.5 - 2.5 (K) Ohms

Operating Speed: 7,000 - 9,500 RPM                             
Idling Speed: 2,500 - 2,800 RPM   

Bolt on cylinder with a magnesium crankcase, not a clamshell engine design.  Early ones had no chain brake, just a hand guard.  If you have the latter model that has the chain brake and need the handle send me a PM.

Quote from: bonkelaar;3988301
Hello,

Have three of them and one sold to a good friend. They are good reliable saws. The only weak point i discovered is the fixation of the bar studs. They are mounted with a square had between two magnesium rails in the wall of the oil tank. Had to replace one right crankcase half because of a big crack around the bar stud.
In my opinion it could not happen at normal use but i have seen two with bar stud problems. The one with the crack, one with a lose stud not pointing out in a 90 degree angle.
It are well starting machines, higher in rpm then the EVL models, easy to work on and not heavy. It is my first choice universal saw, always running. A nice feature is the little handknob to ajust the idle. Like them a lot.

Greetings from Holland

Jos.

Title: Re: john deere 450 echo 4500
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 08, 2012, 06:52:10 pm
JD 450V
Title: Re: john deere 450 echo 4500
Post by: Cut4fun on December 14, 2012, 05:20:03 pm
I just put on a 18" 325 carlton new out of box semi chisel and sunk it in some hard maple with 7T rim  :o :o  This little 45cc echo reminds me of a OE 346xp 45cc in handling weight and speed in the cut. If not maybe a little more torque going to the echo 4500 jd 450   8)    wish I still had a stock OE around to compare to.

I tuned it to 13.2k to 13.5k out of the wood and was wondering if anyone knows what the max rpm is for this?

 It acts just like the OE 346 blipping and quick spool up and all. This saw will not be leaving my stable cheaply.

Heck NOT even muffler modded yet. Really IMO it dont need it.

CYLINDER BORE:
      43 mm (1.693 in.)
PISTON STROKE:
      31 mm (1.220 in.)

Oh out of my stupidly (hitting another log passed the log I was cutting with the tip) I found out the chain brake does work and it saved me even though it didnt reach my head.  But dang it was one of those wake up moments.
Title: Re: john deere 450 echo 4500
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 14, 2012, 08:24:00 pm
echo cs-4500 manual   

http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/1e91fb10-5471-410b-9f62-dba1c3f2edea

http://www.instructionsheets.com/mfg/e/echo/pdfs/echo_cs-4500.htm
Title: Re: john deere 450 echo 4500
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 26, 2012, 11:17:17 am
I found another JD 450 yellow one needing some love.

Just wondering if the newer echo cs-450 parts will work on the 4500 saws?   Looks like the echo 4000 and 5000 may swap some parts also?

Will any bigger cc tops work?


Pics of saw I will be buying to set back and fix.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 28, 2012, 03:10:16 pm
Cool found the info I needed by looking and comparing part numbers.    8) :)

Echo 4000 IPL  http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Echo%20CS-4000%20and%20CS-4000P.pdf

Echo 4500 IPL  http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/d315aa84-9ede-49bf-a702-fe26c9166b1d/CS4500_010187.pdf
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 28, 2012, 03:31:31 pm
I do not own any echo's but it is not a bad looking saw.    Wow close call on the kick back.   Chain brakes do work.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 28, 2012, 03:39:33 pm
I do not own any echo's but it is not a bad looking saw.    Wow close call on the kick back.   Chain brakes do work.

I'm learning as I go with the echos.

Some pretty impressive saws to be had at reasonable prices IMO.   

Yep on the kickback  :o 
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 05, 2013, 06:09:11 pm
#2 just got looked over real quick. Back bar stud **** the case and loose. Might redneck, if not I will split and send to 3000 FPS

Pics if needed? I was told this was a problem area on these.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 07, 2013, 04:31:13 pm
From what I understand this is a common issue on these. Weak bar stud area cracking from abuse maybe.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v008.jpg)



This one had taken a fall and broken and bent the muffler studs off in cylinder. Dont know if this fix is going to work by past owner or not. Will see when all the parts show up. Muffler, muffler bolts, gasket, etc.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v001.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v003.jpg)



Appear to be a earlier version then my other 450V. It just had a hand guard instead of the chain brake like my other one. Hand guard on 2nd one was broken off in fall.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v002.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v005.jpg)



Really like the piston and cylinder on these. No wonder they run so good.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v006.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v004.jpg)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: 660magnum on January 07, 2013, 06:14:29 pm
The tops of Heli Coils are supposed to be a half turn below the surface?

If you have trouble with them backing out?

If you do, you are going to need to do the bottom tap trick?
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun on January 07, 2013, 07:54:43 pm
The tops of Heli Coils are supposed to be a half turn below the surface?

If you have trouble with them backing out?

If you do, you are going to need to do the bottom tap trick?

Thats the way it came in box.  Looks iffy to me  but will know more soon enough.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 07, 2013, 08:28:28 pm
From what I understand this is a common issue on these. Weak bar stud area cracking from abuse maybe.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v008.jpg)



This one had taken a fall and broken and bent the muffler studs off in cylinder. Dont know if this fix is going to work by past owner or not. Will see when all the parts show up. Muffler, muffler bolts, gasket, etc.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v001.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v003.jpg)



Appear to be a earlier version then my other 450V. It just had a hand guard instead of the chain brake like my other one. Hand guard on 2nd one was broken off in fall.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v002.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v005.jpg)



Really like the piston and cylinder on these. No wonder they run so good.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v006.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/2nd450v004.jpg)


Take another picture but back away alittle so I can see more of the bar studs and get a better idea of where the crack is.

   I like that cylinder and piston also.   Closed port with a windowed piston pretty cool.   
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun on January 08, 2013, 07:05:30 pm
Take another picture but back away alittle so I can see more of the bar studs and get a better idea of where the crack is.

   I like that cylinder and piston also.   Closed port with a windowed piston pretty cool.   

Ran out of time today. Will do someday soon. 

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 09, 2013, 04:04:48 pm
Roger if you can see it there is even cracks around the bar tensioner at the rear part.   ???  Hopefully one of these 4 pics will show something.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/346xpg262xp/new346cracked450v005.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/346xpg262xp/new346cracked450v001.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/346xpg262xp/new346cracked450v004.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/346xpg262xp/new346cracked450v003.jpg)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 09, 2013, 05:59:36 pm
Ok that is alot better pic.   I see cracks going between the two bar studs.  I can see cracks like you said at the end of the chain tensioner.

   It almost looks like the rear bar stud the one that is missing was pulled forward some. 

     If you decide to split it and have it welded let me know.  I would weld that from both sides.   Are the bar studs a press in fit from the back side then?
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 09, 2013, 06:03:25 pm
Yep just press in with rectangle head fitting in a slot like the husky 372 etc.   

The bar stud was in the oil tank when received. I had thought I  remembered it showing in the pic when I was buying it out of state.

I'm going to get it running and see what I want to do from there.  Not so sure about the cylinder muffler stud fix that was done before me. I was mainly buying for a running parts saw to have for my other one. Seems like alot of the parts are NLA.

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 11, 2013, 06:52:16 pm
3000 fps this one will be put together and shelved. 

The dang cylinder fix someone did with the heli coils was done wrong and came out when just messing around with the muffler bolts today. Thinking of filling in cyl muffler holes and re-tapping. Not sure yet. So going on back burner with the other back burner projects for now.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 12, 2013, 03:15:23 pm
When I tested 3/8 for fun on the 4500. It dont like that at all. Not enough grunt, just like the stock 46cc 346 is IMO.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 07, 2014, 02:59:13 pm
Cleaning up the jd 450v today and noticed something that previous owner or maybe I have done.  Where the tag goes on the non structural part of crankcase. 1 rivet gone tag gone and **** the non structural part of lower lip of the crankcase.

Was covered in chips in past and today decided to clean it up for a member asking about it.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v001_zps7128ff50.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v001_zps7128ff50.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v002_zps4766a2fe.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v002_zps4766a2fe.jpg.html)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 07, 2014, 06:01:46 pm
I put a like new condition old style oregen powermatch. 72dl 18" .325 with like new Carlton N1 chain.

Just cut up some crotched gnarly maple that took  almost the whole 18".  I wish I had a OE 346 46cc to compare it to. This thing might take it with what seems like extra torque for a 45cc.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v003_zps0f65bc9f.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v003_zps0f65bc9f.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v008_zps36713abe.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v008_zps36713abe.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v006_zps7abc2b0f.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v006_zps7abc2b0f.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v010_zpsa219e380.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v010_zpsa219e380.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v009_zpse97bb191.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/PP505PP365JD800/echo4500jd450v009_zpse97bb191.jpg.html)

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 03, 2015, 09:33:17 am
Just bought a echo 4500 45cc non running no spark etc. Have  a JD 450V parts saw that ran when received here with good spark but **** bar mount and busted off cylinder studs. Might be able to make 1 good 1 I am hoping.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 03, 2015, 09:37:59 am
Parts saw.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/jdpartssawPPparts%20029_zps0bbdsdls.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/jdpartssawPPparts%20032_zpstog6s3ob.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/jdpartssawPPparts%20026_zpssmf7dbqy.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/jdpartssawPPparts%20024_zpshglmjt9r.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/jdpartssawPPparts%20022_zpsafeiyeua.jpg)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 03, 2015, 09:46:38 am
echo 4500 I just bought and waiting on.  :P

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 05, 2015, 07:00:27 pm
Shipped one out and this one comes in. Now to see if it is as simple as the spark issue that it was said to have.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 06, 2015, 06:15:19 pm
Boy I just pulled a bonehead move. Freaking old brain got me.  2 hrs of work on a saw for notta. Grrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrr

Tested yellow saw with good spark, but **** bar mount area and cylinder muffler mount issues.  So got the above 4500 in no spark tested out yep no spark. Cant remove coil without pulling plastic fins off the flywheel so I did this on both saws along with recoil pawls.
I went ahead and pulled the yellow saws trigger another name ? not sure and coil to put on as a set.  Somewhere along the line I think I mixed up the coils. Now no spark on the orange saw with good set. I think I put the bad coil back in.
Right now I just want to kick my butt for getting confused and grabbing wrong coil.

Few choice freaking words were said and thought of a shotgun rifle and a 4 wheel drive.   ;D

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 06, 2015, 08:25:48 pm
Hot dang I had took a pic of the good coil and whatever it is called before I pulled them out of the JD. Now as long as I can make out the markings on coil and a little different from other one.

working on pics to see if I can tell.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 06, 2015, 08:34:06 pm
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20002_zpsiguuljg3.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20002_zpsiguuljg3.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20001_zpsilup64mc.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20001_zpsilup64mc.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20006_zpsw40k3lj2.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20006_zpsw40k3lj2.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20003_zpsbfnty9la.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20003_zpsbfnty9la.jpg.html)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 02:13:39 pm
Yep here is  your sign.   I did it, put the old bad coil back in with the other lead part. I'm such  :P

The good coil in pic has 2 dots to right of the numbers. The bad coil has 1.   ::)

Least I confirmed my dumbazz move and why no spark.


(http://media.mtvi.com/_!/intlod/MTVInternational/wmg_int/uswbv0/400217/USWBV0400217_640x480_1.jpg)

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 02:17:40 pm
29 Module  CDI Obsolete - Not Available part # 15660130131 NLA new and bad part.

27    Coil  Ignition Obsolete - Not Available Part #  15662630130 NLA too.    What I was calling trigger or whatever ? .

(http://www.ereplacementparts.com/images/echo/CS-4500_WW_6.gif)



Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: 660magnum on October 07, 2015, 02:42:58 pm
http://www.davesmotors.com/zenoah-262971311-2629-71311-gray-ignition-coil-pum-puh.html


(http://www.prestwich.ndirect.co.uk/wnkpeF.jpg)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 03:03:26 pm
29 is the bad part Jim.

4500 now lives  :P  156psi   ;D
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 03:12:53 pm
Now I am trying to figure out this loose spring and where it attaches to. Brake part somewhere.   

Not see spring in IPL hmmmmm ?

echo 4500 4500p ipl  http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Echo%20CS-4500%20and%20CS-4500P.pdf
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 03:16:13 pm
OK that spring is not on my one I had with chain brake. So somebody has added this spring.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/66Impala/echo4500jd450p3314001.jpg)
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1339.0;attach=15353;image)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Eccentric on October 07, 2015, 03:17:16 pm
A Country Boy Will Survive.  Glad you got it licked Kevin.  We've all pulled bonehead moves like that...................at least I sure have.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 03:20:36 pm
Comparing those 2 pics I notice the rear part of the brake engagement thingy is broke off on plastic handle.


Yep Aaron. I am really hating my new old brain.  Just pizzes me off sometimes I am so forgetful now.  I scare myself sometimes.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Eccentric on October 07, 2015, 03:32:00 pm
Comparing those 2 pics I notice the rear part of the brake engagement thingy is broke off on plastic handle.


Yep Aaron. I am really hating my new old brain.  Just pizzes me off sometimes I am so forgetful now.  I scare myself sometimes.

My Dr sez that's from years of stress and lousy sleep.  Getting old before my time....
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 03:49:37 pm
Comparing those 2 pics I notice the rear part of the brake engagement thingy is broke off on plastic handle.


Yep Aaron. I am really hating my new old brain.  Just pizzes me off sometimes I am so forgetful now.  I scare myself sometimes.

My Dr sez that's from years of stress and lousy sleep.  Getting old before my time....

Wonderful. No wonder I am hit already.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 05:44:55 pm
That spring looks like it could somehow attach to that tab above it.  I just removed handle and tie strap the spring up so I could test her out.

oops working on pics
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 05:58:03 pm
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20006_zpseafhrc0s.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20006_zpseafhrc0s.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20008_zpsot8ubjol.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20008_zpsot8ubjol.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20004_zpsde4ztsfk.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20004_zpsde4ztsfk.jpg.html)

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20002_zpshebtn653.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/echoo45003900%20002_zpshebtn653.jpg.html)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 08, 2015, 03:56:59 pm
Found a recoil badge off a smashed echo on the shelf. So I removed it slowly.
Man those are heavy duty for a decal, thin aluminum or thick foil.

Noticed no dawg and the parts saw had one.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/decaldawg%20002_zpsxntismn5.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/decaldawg%20002_zpsxntismn5.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/decaldawg%20004_zpsaj43jnwu.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/decaldawg%20004_zpsaj43jnwu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: ch74 on October 09, 2015, 12:04:58 am
Thats a nice saw.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 09, 2015, 01:10:04 pm
Thats a nice saw.

Pro built with metal crankcase and bolt on cylinder.  Weight is like a OE 346 and handles like one.  In the cut reminds me of OE 346 too.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 09, 2015, 01:19:40 pm
Heck yeah! Just found a pic showing that spring and where it attaches, well sort of.  8) ;D  Least not where I was thinking and trying   :D

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn89/bonkelaar/CS%204500/DSCF2583-1.jpg)



Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 09, 2015, 05:32:20 pm
That 20" LP picco set fit perfect on the 4500 with 70dl.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/piccobar%20001_zpssntwoz6w.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/piccobar%20001_zpssntwoz6w.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/piccobar%20004_zpsytpxfqix.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/2015%20etc/piccobar%20004_zpsytpxfqix.jpg.html)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: ch74 on October 09, 2015, 08:38:34 pm
I'm definatly sold on echo now. It's going to be pretty much all i buy. If i could gut the 450p exhaust completely , ( cut open gut and re-braze) i think it would be even more woken up by the simple MM.
Do you know of anyone that is advancing the timing? If so how much . 3-6*?
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: ch74 on October 09, 2015, 08:39:53 pm
Hell for that matter i think my 590 ported by someone good would hang with any 60cc saw out there, And its built just like them. Bolts for jug, Mag case, etc...
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 10, 2015, 01:21:30 pm
Found another pic on members chainsawr website.
I still for the life of me cant figure out how or what that other end of spring is attaching to inside the handle. Maybe mine is missing the attachment area.  :-X

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 10, 2015, 06:24:38 pm
https://youtu.be/S25Q4NYYLo8
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 26, 2015, 08:57:59 pm
Did you see that aftermarket piston 4600 4500 on ebay.  4500 is nothing like that. Cant be right pic, I hope for buyers any way.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: old 040 on December 28, 2015, 03:56:47 pm
my early 4600 has a split pin that fits between the upper handle bar mount and the plastic piece that the screws go into behind the handle bar, i think this is where the spring should be hooked to.......tried to quote your post but it wouldn't load, so i'm referring to this pic you posted........
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 28, 2015, 07:22:35 pm
my early 4600 has a split pin that fits between the upper handle bar mount and the plastic piece that the screws go into behind the handle bar, i think this is where the spring should be hooked to.......tried to quote your post but it wouldn't load, so i'm referring to this pic you posted........

I never got it hooked up.  Just been running without spring hooked up, just tie strapped it.

Thread on different ways to quote when software isnt right for whatever your using. http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/general-discussion/'quote'-not-working/
Title: echo 4500 4600
Post by: old 040 on December 31, 2015, 07:37:27 am
been wondering if one of these 43mm pop up piston assy's listed on the bay would be a close match to fit in the 4500/4600 saws......
Title: Re: echo 4500 4600
Post by: old 040 on January 01, 2016, 08:26:35 am
also want to find out if the earlier shiny 488 two piece will fit the 4500/4600..........
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 01, 2016, 12:13:11 pm
also want to find out if the earlier shiny 488 two piece will fit the 4500/4600..........

Trying to keep the 4500 4600 450 stuff here in this thread.

I'll put your pic and my coil pics together



Just by this pic I want to say no on coil.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20002_zpsiguuljg3.jpg)

(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1339.0;attach=16334;image)

Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Eccentric on January 02, 2016, 07:24:51 pm
Jon1212 has a very nice looking 4500 with a roached p/c.   He's looking to sell it...
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: randy_das on January 14, 2016, 08:40:30 pm
I have a cs4500 and I have no spark. I am reading a lot about the cdi or coils going out. both those parts are obsolete. any help would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 14, 2016, 09:06:31 pm
Coil NLA. The other part can be had.

Somewhere in the thread it shows.

Read where I just did this on 4500 I took in with bad coil.  In this thread. Shows pics and part numbers etc.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: randy_das on January 15, 2016, 12:10:47 am
im sorry. im new to this site and still trying to find my way around here. what does coil NLA mean ?
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: pete on January 15, 2016, 05:28:12 am
NLA = no longer available
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: randy_das on January 15, 2016, 11:31:19 am
how do I know if I need a coil or cdi module? ive been working on cars, boats motor cycles, lawn mowers, 4 wheelers ect since I was 6 and if I can figure out how something works I can make it work. so what would you suggestion be?
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 15, 2016, 12:51:10 pm
 others may know.  I'm clueless on that stuff using tester for reading.

I had another known good set to swap out to know what was bad.  Betting it is your coil and not the mod.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: old 040 on January 15, 2016, 01:43:30 pm
I bought a cs5000 parts saw a few days back, tried using the one piece ignition from it in my early two piece ignition cs4600, fit right in and the saw runs great, from what i see the one piece is still available, #156626 39732, not cheap though.......... :-\
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 15, 2016, 02:48:33 pm
I bought a cs5000 parts saw a few days back, tried using the one piece ignition in my early two piece ignition cs4600, fit right in and the saw runs great, from what i see the one piece is still available, #156626 39732, not cheap though.......... :-\

You saying the one piece set up from 5000 will work in the 4500? Since you said 4600 I am just guessing 4500 too. Watcha think?
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 15, 2016, 02:50:27 pm
Just copy saving info.  Echo 15662630230 = 15662639732 Ignition Module Coil   looks like $80 and up
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: old 040 on January 15, 2016, 03:07:44 pm
yep, should work in the 4500 as well....... :)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 15, 2016, 03:26:12 pm
yep, should work in the 4500 as well....... :)

This is good to know. Thanks for sharing this with us. 
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: old 040 on January 15, 2016, 03:35:05 pm
I have a 4500 on it's way to me here shortly, I'd like to look closely to see if there's any differences between the 4500 and the early 4600 cases to be a little more certain if the one piece will fit the 4500, best as I can tell, it should fit though......I'll report back when I know........... ;)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: old 040 on January 16, 2016, 06:02:06 am
Also wanted to mention, when looking closely at the 5000 crankcase where the ignition mounts, it still has the mounting bosses for the coil used on the early two piece ignition which makes me think that echo just used the same casting from the 4500 on up to the 5000...... ;)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: randy_das on January 27, 2016, 06:20:30 pm
did the cdi box/ modual fix it? or the coil you said # 29 was the bad part...

29 is the bad part Jim.

4500 now lives  :P  156psi   ;D
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: randy_das on January 27, 2016, 06:26:44 pm
what is the red wire for?
http://www.davesmotors.com/zenoah-262971311-2629-71311-gray-ignition-coil-pum-puh.html


(http://www.prestwich.ndirect.co.uk/wnkpeF.jpg)
http://www.davesmotors.com/zenoah-262971311-2629-71311-gray-ignition-coil-pum-puh.html


(http://www.prestwich.ndirect.co.uk/wnkpeF.jpg)
29 is the bad part Jim.

4500 now lives  :P  156psi   ;D
29 is the bad part Jim.

4500 now lives  :P  156psi   ;D
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 27, 2016, 06:35:04 pm
Mine was coil.

BLACK coil under the grey part you show.  See RED wire.  ;)

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2015%20etc/e4500coilstuff%20002_zpsiguuljg3.jpg)
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: old 040 on February 06, 2016, 05:50:15 am
Wanted to add, if I remember right, after checking part numbers for the one piece ignition module/coil for the 4600/5000, that the part number was eventually updated to being the same used on the 6700/670/680 saws, would still like to try a one piece from one of those three to confirm, but they sure do look the same, first pic are from a 4600/5000, the second for a model 6700/670/680.......if these will work, it opens up far more options to locate a coil/module for the early two piece models.
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: old 040 on June 22, 2016, 06:42:15 am
Thought I'd share......I sent in a sample 4500 piston into ebay seller "l'il red barn" about five months ago so this piston assy. could be made, I'm happy to say they are now available by them on ebay, he's sending me one free of charge for sending in my sample, I still have a 4500 waiting for this piston, so I'll be able to check out how well these pistons fit and work....
Title: Re: john deere 450 echo 4500
Post by: stubnail67 on November 18, 2017, 09:46:15 pm
echo cs-4500 manual   

http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/1e91fb10-5471-410b-9f62-dba1c3f2edea

http://www.instructionsheets.com/mfg/e/echo/pdfs/echo_cs-4500.htm


i am thinking its around the same mount and chain
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 18, 2017, 10:08:43 pm
echo cs-4500 manual   

http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/1e91fb10-5471-410b-9f62-dba1c3f2edea

http://www.instructionsheets.com/mfg/e/echo/pdfs/echo_cs-4500.htm


i am thinking its around the same mount and chain


Think he ran the same bar in this thread.  https://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/echo/echo-450p/
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 18, 2017, 10:12:57 pm
echo 490 mount 200SLGK216    

oem listed https://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Accessories/Chain-Saw-Accessories?model=CS-490
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 18, 2017, 10:36:41 pm
Nate confirmed mount on echo 490 =  K216  @stubnail67
Title: Re: echo 4500 john deere 450
Post by: stubnail67 on November 20, 2017, 03:41:00 pm
Thank you.