Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Echo => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on December 12, 2012, 02:16:17 pm
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Is the echo cs-5000 a newer or older echo? Going to start digging up info to see.
Looks newer style like the 4500 I just got in. 1994 it says here. Any idea when they quit making them?
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/c6ed07d05d4a76ef88256d0d001f98c0?OpenDocument
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The Echo CS510 came out after the CS5000, I got a couple CS510 saws off Ebay for about $200 brand new I think around 2000 -. 2001. I'd guess the CS5000 went into the late 1990's. The CS510- CS530 are a well built clamshell the really cuts with a muff modd, the CS5000 is a split case with not as much power but should have a lot of room for improvement with porting. Steve
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I have one of the 50cc Echo clamshell engines set up as a model airplane engine. They run as well as a Sachs-Dolmar or Mahle cylinder closed port engine. There are a couple people in the area besides me that have these set up as model airplane engines. The spark plug is a NGK BPMR6F tapered seat spark plug which is much smaller on the outside as a 7A plug. The plug is the same on the inside and fits the hole perfect without modification.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jamesirl/BME50e_zpsc951c094.jpg
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I have one of the 50cc Echo clamshell engines set up as a model airplane engine. They run as well as a Sachs-Dolmar or Mahle cylinder closed port engine. There are a couple people in the area besides me that have these set up as model airplane engines. The spark plug is a NGK BPMR6F tapered seat spark plug which is much smaller on the outside as a 7A plug. The plug is the same on the inside and fits the hole perfect without modification.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jamesirl/BME50e_zpsc951c094.jpg
That's a CS510 or CS520 motor, it's also a closed port with nice porting. Steve
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Well, It hangs right in there with the best of the typical converted engines for model airplanes.
It pulls a 22 X 8 at 7000 rpm on the ground.
The clutch shaft is cut off just outside the seal area.
It has battery powered shielded CD ignition.
They were around $550 as shown in the picture. Chinese engines put the BME company that set them up out of business,
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Just had a Echo 5000 dropped off for a look over. Fine looking and built saw from the quick look see. 49.3cc
echo 5000 IPL http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Echo%20CS-5000.pdf
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echo 5000 muffler modded, carb retuned. used bar installed (worst wore bar I ever seen was on it) with 3 chains sharpened. New 325 7 rim put on due to other one allowing drive links to wear into clutch drum.
I like this little saw.
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echo cs-5000 nice saw IMO. Owner said he bought new around 1998 and never ran like it did today.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/570/echo5000stihlms250002_zps4ac2cb81.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/570/echo5000stihlms250002_zps4ac2cb81.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/570/echo5000stihlms250003_zpsb4f4c02f.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/570/echo5000stihlms250003_zpsb4f4c02f.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/570/echo5000stihlms250004_zpsdea4d381.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/570/echo5000stihlms250004_zpsdea4d381.jpg.html)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/570/echo5000stihlms250005_zps71801c61.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/570/echo5000stihlms250005_zps71801c61.jpg.html)
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The owner of the 5000 ask me what echo saws replaced the 5000 over the years. I'm talking pro grade with bolt on cylinders and not clamshell ones. Anyone know?
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the cs510/520 was the replacement. it's a clammy, but they run very well. even stock they run good.
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I have a Echo 510/520 model airplane engine and it runs right up there with the Dolmar 115 model airplane engine I have.
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out of the box stock side by side i've found the echo cs510/520 a stronger saw than the stihl 260. better av aswell.
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So what is this echo 500 I think I seen sometime back? The newest of the bunch?
Specs look heavy for 50cc http://www.wisesales.com/cs500p-16-inch-chainsaw.html has 59cc up type weight listed. ??? maybe a mess up.
echo 530 http://www.wisesales.com/echo-ec-cs530-18-chainsaw.html
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the cs500 was the replacement for the cs530. which was the replacement for the cs520. the 530 and 500 are
very good little saws. very under rated.
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Echo 500 IPL http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/bacfc894-186a-400e-9600-83ef56a024c4/CS500Pes_C19312_051911.pdf shows bolt on cylinder.
Echo 530 IPL http://www.echo-usa.com/getattachment/659a18d2-ca6f-413a-be37-1e8c29b107f1/CS530es_C02803_101612.pdf shows still clamshell
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oh yes the 530 is a clammer :) but i don't hold that against it ;D
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I keep coming up with conflicting specs on the echo cs-550p . Some places say 54cc some 50cc, weight goes from 13.3lb to the 10.6lb I just found.
Available in 18", and 20" bar lengths
Engine Displacement: 50.2cc
Engine Displacement: 3.06 cu in
Starting System: Spring-assist
Ignition System: CDI
Carburetor (w/Purge Pump): Butterfly-Valve Diaphragm
Oiling System: Automatic/ Adjustable (Clutch-Driven)
Vibration Reduction System: Standard
Recommended Bar Lengths: 16" - 20"
Fuel Capacity: 16.9 fl. oz.
Oil Capacity: 9.5 fl. oz.
Dry Weight without bar and chain: 10.6 lbs.
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Well there we go. Mitch had done a thread on the cs-500p. http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/echo/cs-500p/
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Hey CutForFun thanks for getting me back on this site, my computer went down a while back and I forgot about it. My new CS500p just came , first thing I'll do is put it on my good balance scale for the actual dry weight, The muff outlet looks really clogged up, Ill run it stock for a while then muff modd and report the difference in cutting time. It feels light but later the scale will tell. Steve
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that's the thing. the 500 feels way lighter. no idea what the actual weight is, but it 'feels' light and well balanced.
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CS5000 bolt
CS510 clam
CS520 clam
CS530 clam
CS500p bolt
Just saving so if I get ask again, I have info at my finger tips in the barn.
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I put the new CS500p 18" B@C on my balance scale
just the saw, no chain cover as some weigh them that way 10# 5 oz
Saw with chain cover 10# 10oz
Saw with bar and chain 13# 2 oz
Saw full of fuel and oil 14# 7 oz
I weighed my CS520 with a 16" B@C full ready to cut 14# 15 oz, . I think the CS520 hold a bit more fuel and oil.
Cutting. My muff modd CS520 is WAY faster than the new not broke in CS500, time will tell after getting broke in and opening up the muff.
It doesn't seem lean unless it's against the rev limiter, will have to pull the caps to make sure. . Steve
I pulled the caps and found it was tuned real good, a bit rich if anything. Did timed cuts against my CS520. Cs520 6 seconds CS500p 9 to 10 seconds. It's going to need to improve a lot with a muff modd and break in.
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I put the new CS500p 18" B@C on my balance scale
just the saw, no chain cover as some weigh them that way 10# 5 oz
Saw with chain cover 10# 10oz
Saw with bar and chain 13# 2 oz
Saw full of fuel and oil 14# 7 oz
Thank you for all that info and time doing so. Nice light 0-50cc saw. Thats good to see. Seems lighter then the 5000 specs I seen. Never weighed it though.
Now the next time the owner ask me what saw in a echo line up would replace his pro grade type built echo 5000. I can say the new strato 500. He is one that isnt to keen on the clamshell type saws.
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Is only difference in the 4500 of mine and a 5000, the P+C?
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I don't know much about the CS4500, I do have a CS5000 which I'll put on the same scale ready to cut, I think it's right around 15#. I think the only Echo that is a strato is the CS550 which is being discontinued , pretty sure the CS500p is not a strato. I really don't know why a good clamshell motor gets a bad rap, every Echo clamshell is real easy to work on, the motor can be laying on the bench in 10 minutes and the working on the P@C, bearings, seals is really easy and fast. The only downside is you can't mill the bottom of the cylinder off to increase the compression unless you would line bore the bearings seats. If you watched that vid of the CS520 Mastermind did it did fine without milling the cylinder base.. I've heard good reports about the CS500p but the one I got is a dog so far, I'd bet I'll be doing that muff modd before it get 2 tanks through it. Steve
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I dont mind clamshells as long as they are easy to work on like the poulans and huskys I been in. I cant stand the stihl series of clamshells just because how they built them. Only echo clam I have been partilly in was a 3900. So I'm not sure how they are to work on yet.
I think mweba pics shows strato on the 500P or maybe I was just seeing removal transfer covers and mistaken it. My mind is starting to cornfuse all the echo info going between my ears right now. Overloading. ;D Heck maybe it was a 550 I reading about being strato. :P
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mweba 500P tear down. Check out the cylinder base. http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/echo/cs-500p/
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Not a strato as it would have a small tube above the carb intake. Removable transfer covers making porting the tranfers easy. Tranfers look small compared to the CS520 but the CS400 has small tranfers but really cuts good. Steve
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mountain's correct. the 500 isn't a strat.
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I'm trying to figure this base out. Wondering what the crankcase base area looks like.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8062/8154156692_13d2d54f64_c.jpg)
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Echo CS-500P IPL http://www.baileysonline.com/PDF/echo_CS500P.pdf
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do you mean the 'open areas' on the flange front and rear? they're just blank openings. they don't lead anywhere. figure they're for weight savings.
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do you mean the 'open areas' on the flange front and rear? they're just blank openings. they don't lead anywhere. figure they're for weight savings.
Thanks. Thats what I was wondering.
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I put my CS5000 on the scale this morning, full ready to cut 15# 4 oz. I also took the deflector off and screen plus that tube that come out, a big improvement as it's almost as fast as my Cs520 now. Makes me wonder why Echo runs such clogged up muffs. Steve
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Great info and thank you for the echo education guys. (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/mcagus/mbb/Words/thwaytogo.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/mcagus/media/mbb/Words/thwaytogo.gif.html)
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The cs-520 with an 18 inch bar running 20lpx chain is hard to beat.
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Hey guys, finally joined up here, had issues a couple years back trying to register, went right through this morning, looks like a great site Kevin..........anyway, decided to revive this old cs5000 thread.......been trying to find the bore and stroke and the piston pin and pin bore specs on the cs5000, was wanting to find out if the p/c will fit on the 4500/4600 saws, any help would be great.......BTW, the bore and stroke on the 4500/4600 is 43mm x 31 mm........ ;)
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Hey guys, finally joined up here, had issues a couple years back trying to register, went right through this morning, looks like a great site Kevin..........anyway, decided to revive this old cs5000 thread.......been trying to find the bore and stroke and the piston pin and pin bore specs on the cs5000, was wanting to find out if the p/c will fit on the 4500/4600 saws, any help would be great.......BTW, the bore and stroke on the 4500/4600 is 43mm x 31 mm........ ;)
Hey about time. ;)
Welcome and share that echo knowledge with us too.
There is also a 450 4500 thread here.
On the bore and stroke of a 5000. They say its a 49.3cc saw. So to get that, 44mm bore 1.732 x 34mm stroke 1.339 is my WAG
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i think i still have my old service fiche cards on these early echos, i'll be looking for them this morning........ :)
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well i went through my fiche cards, for some reason of coarse the 5000 service card or specs isn't in them, but i did find that the cranks would interchange between the 4600 and the 5000, pin brgs the same also, so the 5000 could/should have a 31mm stroke and share the same piston pin size.........looking at the 5500 specs, it shows 46mm x 33mm giving it 54.8cc, which is making me think the 5000 is 46mm x 31mm, i hope..... ???.........guess the only other thing that could come into play is whether or not the 5000 cylinder would fit down inside the 4600 crankcase..........
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46x31 is way to big 51.54
only numbers that come up to the 49.3 are those I showed earlier above.
The CLS 5000 brush saw has same cc with those bore and stroke too.
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yep, 46mm x 31mm is too big, but after checking some other models saws i found that 45mm x 31mm is showing 49.3cc, so maybe that's were the 5000 is, i'm going to make some calls today to try and confirm........i don't see how the 4500/4600 and the 5000 can share the same crank without them having a 31mm stroke.....
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Didnt know they shared same crank.
Bingo that has to be it. 45x31 = 49.3cc too. I thought I had ran those numbers, but must have slipped.
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got through to general power today, confirmed, 45mm x 31mm......yep, i posted about the crank earlier....... ;D
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Good to know thanks for the leg work.
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i've got a nearly complete 5000 in the works right now that will most likely be coming to my address, i'll be able to confirm if the cylinder will fit in the 4600 cases without mods.... ;)
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here's the other 4600 i picked up from Andy......all cleaned up, base gasket gone......waiting on ordered handle and hand gaurd.....this one also cleaned up real good.... ;D
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Are the 4500 cylinder same as 4600? The 4000 goes on the 4500 I THINK? Dont recall now. Thats why I had wondered if it was as simple as putting a 5000 on 4500.
I have a 4000 cylinder too with no piston.
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yep, 4500 and 4600 are the same, i still don't know if putting a 5000 cylinder on a 4500/4600 is easy, still need to find out if the cases will accept it........i still have yet to even see a 4000 and i think there was a 4100 as well, seams like another where the bore and stroke will need to be checked.... ???
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4000 40mm x 31mm
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do you have the whole saw (cs4000), or just the cylinder?, i don't see why the 4000 topend couldn't be used on a 4500/4600 unless the mounting holes are different....
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do you have the whole saw (cs4000), or just the cylinder?, i don't see why the 4000 topend couldn't be used on a 4500/4600 unless the mounting holes are different....
Just a cylinder. Was going to use it on the 450 back when but it had the cracks in the bar mount area. Common issue with these series.
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Looks like I'll be getting the 5000 parts saw in the near future, may play around with it and see if the cylinder will indeed fit the 4500/4600.........also want to see if the later one piece ignition unit will fit in the older two piece ignition saws, the one I got from Andy already crapped out >:(, so I'll be on the look out for one if the one piece won't fit..... ???.