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Title: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 21, 2012, 04:45:53 pm
  Well I bought this Poulan 335 that had a crack in the crank case where someone had twisted the bar studs and **** the case right behind the rear stud and making it loose.   I was going to weld it up but then saw a crank case with good seals, bearings, and crankshaft on the bay for 12 bucks and 12 dollars to ship it.  I could not pass that up.  So I switched everything over from my old saw to the new crankcase did a pressure and vacume check and all is good.   I got rid of the base gasket and shaved the bottom of the cylinder to a squish of .018.  Widened the ports alittle and did a compression test, a 195 psi.  I then decided to take the rocked .325 chain grind it and then use a square file on it.  I am not big on filing chain because I have a grinder but the repetitive motion is sometimes relaxing for me.  I took a stihl triagle file and ground it down on one side so that it would fit a .325 chain.  I am very please with the over performance of this saw now.  Man does it cut good.   I have never seen a square chisel chain before and just went by some pictures and intructions I read and I have a low beak on some of the cutters but overall it still performs pretty good.  Have a look.

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Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 21, 2012, 04:50:45 pm
One more pic of the chain.  I could not get a good close up.

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Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 21, 2012, 04:53:32 pm
The 335 is one of my favorites. 54cc in a 3 cube package. 

 Sold my only one to my training officer friend that was going to buy a plastic stihl for some work around his house. He told me he was real happy with his decision of buying the 335.  Traded my 305 to another friend at work.  Least they have real saws IMO and not those plastic over priced  ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 21, 2012, 04:54:57 pm
I had a stihl RS 325 done on a swingarm square grinder once. That thing cut super fast.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 21, 2012, 04:57:05 pm
I am like you I like the tight package the saws come in.  I have 4 now one being NOS.

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Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 21, 2012, 04:57:53 pm
Tease   :'(
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 21, 2012, 05:00:35 pm
I had a stihl RS 325 done on a swingarm square grinder once. That thing cut super fast.

I would like to have a square grinder but the money they get for them is out my range.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 21, 2012, 05:06:12 pm
My only one and looked like original bar etc.


Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 21, 2012, 05:45:05 pm
I do not see any pics.   ???
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 21, 2012, 06:28:06 pm
Thats weird I see them all. About 9.  I'll do some different posting later then. No time to fiddle with it. 

Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun on December 21, 2012, 06:54:22 pm
I do not see any pics.   ???

I just picked 4 and loaded different above.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: fastleo151 on December 21, 2012, 06:55:08 pm
There the same as a 3300 correct?
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun on December 21, 2012, 06:57:47 pm
There the same as a 3300 correct?

Real close  IMO 335  better set up. My dad has a 3300 he bought new in mid 80's and still going strong. So alum bore isnt bad either.

3300 alum bore and chrome piston and thick rings

335  chrome bore and alum piston and thin rings
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 21, 2012, 08:03:15 pm
I myself have never owned a 3300  because they have the aluminium cylinder and went for the 335 instead.  I am really liking this last one that I modified.  I may have to do another of the ones I have.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 17, 2013, 04:39:12 pm
So today I had ordered a 8 pin rim and put it on the 335.   I have a 15" round of elm the neighbor gave me for some practice wood that has been dried out for years.   Very solid and medium hard wood for tuning.   

   I have to say I was wondering if the saw was going to bog down but it pulled really well.   This little saw just keeps getting better and better.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun on January 17, 2013, 04:54:44 pm
8T 325 ?

8T 325 rim would be about same size as the 7T 3/8 rim. It should pull that with no problems IMO. 

I run 3/8 7 on the 3300 3000 305 335 330 etc when I have the bars to do so. Right now the grey 3000 3300 are using 325 because I dont have the extra bars to go around for them all.

Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 17, 2013, 05:01:26 pm
Well these saws come with .325 7 pin sprockets and with a 20" bar.   I just was not sure how it would do and wanted to check it out.  I am glad you confirm what I found.    Yes 8 pin .325
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 11, 2013, 07:07:50 pm
I recently aquired another 335 except this one is a predator 335 that is in the red color.   I also found some other items that are different about the predator from the standard PP 335.   The piston, ring, and cylinder are all from a type I 3450.   I have the IPL's for both saws and they are a match.   

So now I am thinking, will the 3750 piston and cylinder fit on the predator 335.   I personly at this time do not see why not. 

   I have not taken the saw apart yet but will and if anything else comes up that is different I will post about it.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 660magnum on February 11, 2013, 07:17:46 pm
Check the ipl's for the boot and carb cross reference also?
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 11, 2013, 07:25:36 pm
I recently aquired another 335 except this one is a predator 335 that is in the red color.   I also found some other items that are different about the predator from the standard PP 335.   The piston, ring, and cylinder are all from a type I 3450.   I have the IPL's for both saws and they are a match.   

So now I am thinking, will the 3750 piston and cylinder fit on the predator 335.   I personly at this time do not see why not. 

   I have not taken the saw apart yet but will and if anything else comes up that is different I will post about it.

I almost pulled the trigger on that one.  I made 1 offer.  ;)   News to me on the Pred 335 using 3450 stuff. 

What about that one guy that has that nice one?
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 11, 2013, 07:30:54 pm
pics of one I made offer on.

Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 11, 2013, 07:31:55 pm
Ok I checked the IPL for the predator 335 intake boot and it is the same as for a standard PP 335.   So even though the use a 3450 cylinder on the predator 335 the carb and intake is the same as a standard PP 335.

Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 11, 2013, 07:32:13 pm
few more I had saved.

Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 11, 2013, 07:33:26 pm
You sure it's a 3450 and not a 3300 cylinder?
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Barneyrb on February 11, 2013, 08:07:15 pm
Kevin, I still have on NOS bar that is labeled "Predator" and if you want it just say the word.....
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 11, 2013, 10:08:34 pm
Yes I made an offer on that saw and he accepted it.

When I looked at the IPL's for the 335 predator and 3450 the cylinders were a match so I assume that it is the same cylinder.    I removed the muffler but forgot to look at the transfers, but the piston and cylinder did look good so I am happy about that.   
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 660magnum on February 11, 2013, 11:57:29 pm
There was a guy that once threw up to me that there are companies that will have a ipl list of parts with numbers on them, that will work, but those parts are not what the chainsaw was built with. We were talking about a Dolmar 111 made from the late 80's until about 2004.

For example - the original cylinder is open port and the replacement is closed port?

So if you come across this, don't be surprised for Poulan was great for making a lot of variations of what started out in the same frame.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 12, 2013, 12:00:26 am
Well I guess one way to tell for sure is to pull the cylinder off and look at it.   

I do know that I have already pulled the muffler and the piston is only one thick ring just like a 3450 and that is the reason I looked it up to start with.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 02, 2013, 11:01:47 pm
I took the cylinder off of the 335 predator today.   The piston is the same as a 3450 piston but the cylinder is chromed with only two wide transfers.   Unlike the 3450 which is quad transfers.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 02, 2013, 11:46:50 pm
Just digging

3450
530012367    Cylinder Ass'y. Model 3450 T1
530403749     Cylinder Ass'y T2 T4 was  530403750
530071321    Piston Kit Model 3450 T1,T2,T4

PP335 Predator Gas Saw, 335 Predator Gas Saw
530012367    Cylinder
530071321     Piston Kit  was  530069547


PP335 Gas Saw, 335 Gas Saw
530012367     Cylinder   was 530012197
530010989    piston Model 335

PP330
530403749    Cylinder Ass'y. T1 T2
530071321    Piston Kit


 
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 04, 2013, 03:42:12 pm
I got the 335 Predator back together and took it for a quick check.   Saw runs good and I think I will stay with the 3/8, 16", .050 bar and chain on it.    I did the usual muffler mod, dropped the cylinder, advanced the timing, widened the intake and exhaust.    I put a new ring in it and cleaned up all the carbon from the piston and cylinder.    After running it and letting it cool down I got a 200 psi out of it so once again I am very pleased about that.   I like building these to add torque not neccessarily RPM.    Since cut4fun put up the before pictures I will provide the after pictures.

Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun on March 05, 2013, 02:19:52 pm
How did you end up fixing that crack in the brake handle pivot point?  Looks newer in that area now.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 05, 2013, 02:26:44 pm
I ordered a whole new brake handle and cover.   It was still in stock. 
 Sometimes you get lucky.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun on March 05, 2013, 02:34:16 pm
I ordered a whole new brake handle and cover.   It was still in stock. 
 Sometimes you get lucky.

I'd say.   8)
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Eccentric on March 05, 2013, 02:38:30 pm
From what I've seen (I researched a replacement brake handle when I was watching that ebay auction...LOL), the handle isn't available by itself, but the whole cover with brake parts is.  Glad to see it was actually true, and not one of the Poulan parts 'wild goose chases' that some of use have experienced with 'in stock' parts on Poulan parts sites... 8)
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 05, 2013, 02:45:49 pm
From what I've seen (I researched a replacement brake handle when I was watching that ebay auction...LOL), the handle isn't available by itself, but the whole cover with brake parts is.  Glad to see it was actually true, and not one of the Poulan parts 'wild goose chases' that some of use have experienced with 'in stock' parts on Poulan parts sites... 8)

Oh I have had my share of those goose chases believe me.
   I was looking for a handle only also because I did not know if I would find a red cover.   
Just goes to show you never know until you try.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Modifiedmark on March 06, 2013, 03:30:28 pm
From what I've seen (I researched a replacement brake handle when I was watching that ebay auction...LOL), the handle isn't available by itself, but the whole cover with brake parts is.  Glad to see it was actually true, and not one of the Poulan parts 'wild goose chases' that some of use have experienced with 'in stock' parts on Poulan parts sites... 8)

You got those goose chases from sites that adverised Poulan parts, not from Poulans site!!!!!

Seems anyone can setup a online store, stock nothing and drop ship everything.

Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 06, 2013, 03:50:36 pm
From what I've seen (I researched a replacement brake handle when I was watching that ebay auction...LOL), the handle isn't available by itself, but the whole cover with brake parts is.  Glad to see it was actually true, and not one of the Poulan parts 'wild goose chases' that some of use have experienced with 'in stock' parts on Poulan parts sites... 8)

You got those goose chases from sites that adverised Poulan parts, not from Poulans site!!!!!

Seems anyone can setup a online store, stock nothing and drop ship everything.



Good Point.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Eccentric on March 06, 2013, 04:01:34 pm
From what I've seen (I researched a replacement brake handle when I was watching that ebay auction...LOL), the handle isn't available by itself, but the whole cover with brake parts is.  Glad to see it was actually true, and not one of the Poulan parts 'wild goose chases' that some of use have experienced with 'in stock' parts on Poulan parts sites... 8)

You got those goose chases from sites that adverised Poulan parts, not from Poulans site!!!!!

Seems anyone can setup a online store, stock nothing and drop ship everything.


That's true.  I didn't say I got the run around from Poulan's site.  Sorry if it looked like I did.  Just meant sites that have Poulan parts listed on.....dammit you knew what I meant.:D
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 16, 2013, 12:18:48 pm
This is the cylinder I am thinking is a 335 on my shelf.  Piston is 2 thin rings and no longer usable with it's severely stuck rings and NLA rings.  :'(

Cylinder look like 335 to you guys?  One of those things I took in and forgot about.

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Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 16, 2013, 12:26:33 pm
Looks just like the predator I just rebuilt with a 3450 piston in it.    The saw runs strong.   I did drop the cylinder on it and no base gasket to bump up the compression to 200psi.   The squish was about .023 to .024".
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun on March 16, 2013, 12:41:47 pm
If you have this info handy, if not I will know some day.

What was stock squish with gasket?   

Squish without gasket?

 Then how much did you remove from cylinder base to get your final squish (without or with gasket being used)?
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 16, 2013, 01:03:52 pm
I never checked the stock squish.
I believe the squish without base gasket was around .032 to .035.
I removed around .010 from the base.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun on March 16, 2013, 01:19:18 pm
I'll measure the base gasket I have on hand for it and I'll know then. Thanks.
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: brokenbudget on March 16, 2013, 01:51:09 pm
the 'crushed' thickness of the 2800 gasket is .017 :)
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Eccentric on March 16, 2013, 03:37:05 pm
I didn't measure the 'squish with gasket' on my PP330.  After removing the base gasket, I got a squish of .028".
Title: Re: Poulan 335
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 14, 2020, 09:23:59 am
Just digging

3450
530012367    Cylinder Ass'y. Model 3450 T1
530403749     Cylinder Ass'y T2 T4 was  530403750
530071321    Piston Kit Model 3450 T1,T2,T4

PP335 Predator Gas Saw, 335 Predator Gas Saw
530012367    Cylinder
530071321     Piston Kit  was  530069547


PP335 Gas Saw, 335 Gas Saw
530012367     Cylinder   was 530012197
530010989    piston Model 335

PP330
530403749    Cylinder Ass'y. T1 T2
530071321    Piston Kit


 

There is that nos piston 530069547  with the superseded number 530071321