Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Cordless Battery OPE - Corded Electric => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on January 28, 2013, 01:15:48 pm
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Yeah we all know chain and operator could throw off test comparsion. Was interesting to see though.
Husqvarna Battery Powered 536 vs Gas Powered 435
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkC0Nohd1gQ&feature
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Cool! Where did you find that?
No word on when these saws are due to come out. Pics have been in the image bank for a while, and they were briefly mentioned at a dealer meeting, but no time table was given. (not that they stick to them anyway)
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Cool! Where did you find that?
Reminds me of the song. I searched the world over. ;)
Looking for any talk on demo's etc on foreign sites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIw9waVI-m8
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Geez I remember that thing word for word.
There was another one that started "Gloom, despair, and agony on me; deep dark depression, excessive misery"..... I'm cracking up remembering this stuff. Thanks!
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Cool! Where did you find that?
No word on when these saws are due to come out. Pics have been in the image bank for a while, and they were briefly mentioned at a dealer meeting, but no time table was given. (not that they stick to them anyway)
I see you got the 540 and 536. So you think they will be shipping still in July?
(http://i.imgur.com/mfnYUOP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CrmXYQ1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sZ7CjaB.jpg)
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husqvarna 536 rear handle version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0EBpMrr__U
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The T540's are supposed to be shipping in July, but there's no info on when we swill see the 536 series. I'm guessing this fall?
Weight wise those two saws are the same, even though the 536 looks a lot slimmer. (battery is heavy) The 536 does have pretty good power. :)
Only had it for the one evening, so I can't really answer the more obvious and interesting questions.
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Spike 60, I think I remember you saying on some other site that you put the 536 and 540 up against each other in a log and you couldn't see any real noticeable difference in cutting speed.
I know electric power tools do have excellent torque [never tried one pushing close to 40 volts though] t
An arborist from the U.K. said the 536 over there are about $470 USD. Also heard some owners across the pond are also running 1/4" chain on them.
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40 VDC will ruin the rest of your day if you get hooked up with it good.
Especially just as you let go of the trigger and the inductive field of the motor collapses. It will be like a spark plug.
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but there's no info on when we swill see the 536 series. I'm guessing this fall?
Weight wise those two saws are the same, even though the 536 looks a lot slimmer. (battery is heavy) The 536 does have pretty good power. :)
Only had it for the one evening, so I can't really answer the more obvious and interesting questions.
Spike there is some folks looking for more info on the Husqvarna T536Li anything new?
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I would be one of them. I just had my neck reconstructed and I am the sole climber for my company. No more drop starting for me. This makes perfect sense for me.
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I have been waiting for those to 'come across' for a few years now - had some positive reviews on another site. Bosch also has some available only in Europe
I have been using the Oregon 40V saw for 2+ years, and have tried cutting with the STIHL at demos. Picked up and 'ran' a Makita top handle at a tool show - could be nice for guys in a tree.
Seeing more and more of these, along with 'families' of OPE, such as string trimmers, hedge trimmers, etc. that use the same batteries.
Philbert
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I've got a Stihl ms160ce, I think, and the trimmer as well. Decent saw just not as a climber. It will cut all day at the chipper though.
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Makita - can run on a 36V battery, or (2) 18V batteries, if you already have some of their 18V carpentry tools:
http://www.makitatools.com/en-us/Modules/Tools/ToolDetails.aspx?Name=HCU02C1
Uses 3/8 low profile, narrow kerf (Oregon type 90) chain.
Philbert
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I've run those Makitas and quite frankly they are a toy in comparison. The Husky is what I want.
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The Husky is what I want.
I only see them listed in UK etc for sale. http://scottisharb.com/husqvarna-t536-li-xp-chainsaw.html
£549.98 Ex VAT. Product Code: MS-T536LIXP TAD high with the conversion 549.98 British Pound Sterling equals
911.76 US Dollar :o
12" chainsaw
Battery Voltage: 36V
Battery Type: Li-ion
Oil tank volume: 0.2 ltr
Top handle
Lightweight
Description
The Husqvarna T536 LI XP is a lightweight and extremely easy to use top handle chainsaw that comes with two batteries and a charger. It is ideal for professional users and arborists. This chainsaw comes with a high chainspeed and provides its users with the best performance possible.
This chainsaw has a number of features including the savE option which provides users with an increased running time. The Li-ion battery provides long lasting power and its petrol performance provides an equally high power as well as reliable operation and a long lasting machine.
The flip up tank cap of this chainsaw is easy to open and the tank has a capacity of 0.2 litres. The T536 LI XP comes with a belt eye let which makes it quick and easy to connect the saw to the climbing harness.
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Yeah we all know chain and operator could throw off test comparsion. Was interesting to see though.
Husqvarna Battery Powered 536 vs Gas Powered 435
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkC0Nohd1gQ&feature
My neighbor across the highway has a rear handle 435 with .325 NK chain and it cuts a lot better than that 435T
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My neighbor across the highway has a rear handle 435 with .325 NK chain and it cuts a lot better than that 435T
Jim wouldnt those be 2 different 435 motors.
The 435T is a redmax gz3500t 35.23cc 1.94 hp.
The husky 435 rear handle is Sweden husky made 40.9cc 2.2 hp.
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Hmm, still no sign of these in sight? I guess I will have to go across the pond. Ouch$1000
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My neighbor across the highway has a rear handle 435 with .325 NK chain and it cuts a lot better than that 435T
Jim wouldnt those be 2 different 435 motors.
The 435T is a redmax gz3500t 35.23cc 1.94 hp.
The husky 435 rear handle is Sweden husky made 40.9cc 2.2 hp.
You're probably correct. I thought it was a Strato but it could also be a Husqvarna made motor. You've run it and looked at it under the covers.
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I would be one of them. I just had my neck reconstructed and I am the sole climber for my company. No more drop starting for me. This makes perfect sense for me.
$429 and up no bat or charger. Dealer $700 + everything together in stock
Feebay $799 or best offer shipped. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/201140652529?lpid=82
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Be interesting to see how long the batts would last on a tree pruning job...
Nice for cutting crotch wood at the chipper, but price is a little steep for that application imho
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$429 and up no bat or charger. Dealer $700 + everything together in stock
Now that Husky is allowing mail order sales again, there should be some competition for pricing. Right now, Bailey's is offering to meet or beat any advertised Husqvarna price, including eBay or Amazon.
Be interesting to see how long the batts would last on a tree pruning job...
I have been impressed how much I can cut with the Oregon battery saw. You have to remember that you are only using power when actually cutting: no idling, and no juice used between cuts. And most limbing/pruning cuts are on smaller limbs. That said, I would not want to use one (any brand) without a spare battery. I rather have a second battery charging in the truck to swap out, than carry that 17 pound battery backpack!
Philbert
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Would be nice and peaceful on a big pruning job, noise wise! I'm sure neighbors would appreciate that too. Tomorrow (sat) were removing a large hazardous Coast Live Oak and ironically, the permit we were required to get from the County stipulated no chipping, (haul away wood/brush) . Don't understand the reasoning as there's gonna be 4-5 hours if heavy saw work which is more offensive than a modern disk/drum chipper. Weird...
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A group of us do volunteer tree work in a wooded park. We're restricted by bird nesting treaty noise bullshit during several months of the year. I'm starting to think that the 536 with a loop of 63PS would be the ticket for a bucket saw during the restricted periods. Hmmmmm.....
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There are certainly other, 36-40v chainsaws and pole saws out there, if someone just wants to try one, or wants a less expensive one for limited use. I listed some in this thread:
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/cordless-battery-ope-corded-electric/kobalt-40v-chainsaw-polesaw-etc/
I have high hopes for these Husqvarna's due to the brand, and due to some positive reviews from European members on other sites, where they have been available for a few years.
Philbert
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Any idea on run time per battery in relation to a gas counterpart? Tank to battery? Or not even close? If it was close to 1 to 1 I'd be tempted to have one of my climbers try one out...
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I have been using the Oregon 40V saw for almost 3 years now. The size and type of wood, of course, affect how much you can cut on one battery charge. Green wood cuts easier than dry, dead, Australian nightmare species. The Husky saws and batteries are not identical, but Oregon has tried to answer this common question quantitatively in it's FAQ's:
A 4.0 Ah Battery Pack will last up to 400 cuts per charge in 2 to 3 in. (5 to 7 cm) diameter limbs. This performance may vary with user technique, chain sharpness, size, and type of wood. A 2.4 Ah Battery Pack will make up to 250 cuts and a 1.25 Ah Battery Pack will make up to 125 cuts in the same size wood. Cuts per charge will drop significantly with increasing diameter wood.
http://oregoncordless.com/support/faqs/
If it helps, I have attached some photos of what I was able to cut with one, 2.4 Ah battery on a few different occasions with the Oregon CS250 saw -***Note that the battery was not completely drained each time*** E.g. for the photo of the pine branches, and the other brush pile, that's all the cutting that needed to be done. The larger oak logs were frozen.
Chain was 3/8 low profile PowerSharp. Some battery saws run 3/8 low profile (type 91); some run 3/8 low profile/narrow kerf (type 90); some run 1/4" chain. The type of chain you run, and how sharp you keep it, will also influence how much your can cut with one battery charge, perhaps even more than how fast you cut. I have also been using the Oregon cordless pole saw, which runs type 90 chain (separate thread on that with more photos http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/cordless-battery-ope-corded-electric/oregon-40v-pole-saw/).
Philbert
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I'd be damn impressed if one of those battery saws could cut as much on one battery as my Poulan S25-CVA cuts on one tank of fuel.
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I'd be damn impressed if one of those battery saws could cut as much on one battery as my Poulan S25-CVA cuts on one tank of fuel.
Not an apples to apples comparison. Different advantages to each.
Philbert
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One's quiet and can be ran indoors, while the other is cheaper and cuts a hell of a lot more wood.8)
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One needs gas (but not with too much ethanol, please. Or stuff that is too old, thank you); floods; requires repetitive, rapid jerking on a starter rope, choking and purging while it is held in your crotch, or thrown/drop started; needs periodic spark plug gapping and maintenance, air cleaner cleaning, tune ups, and maybe points adjustments; need carb adjustments when you change altitude, or the temperature drops; puts out toxic CO smoke; is a fire hazard in your house; is too loud to hear co-workers over; gets hot and shoots sparks that can start forest fires; leads to vibration related nerve damage and hearing loss; can be lean seized or straight gassed; and has led to the creation of a large library of curse words.
The other starts when you squeeze the trigger. And stops when you release it.
Philbert
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LOL...
Easy tiger. My 'comparison' had positive points for each one. Yours.......... ;D
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Adam you can hear the noise that the oregon puts off in my video. Oregon sent me one to test out in 2011. I cut a brick with it, resharpened with their system even though not as good as before. But I couldnt have did that with my regular saw and chain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaffJf5A0-M
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My 'comparison' had positive points for each one
The gas saws have more power (torque and speed) per pound and per $ of purchase cost. For now.
I have gas saws. I have corded electric saws. I have battery saws. Each has its advantages and limitation. Lotta guys like to make fun of the electric saws without having used one, or only have used one of the cheapies.
Philbert
(Photo is first STIHL chainsaw - electric!)
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Good info guys. Thank you. ..
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I wasn't making fun of it Phil. Heck a few posts back I was sayin' that I may have a need for the Husky...
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I'm waiting on the hybrid! Lol
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I wasn't making fun of it Phil.
No offense taken. Hope you did not take any either.
Just an automatic response after 'defending' corded and battery saws in these forums. Heck, I even use manual saws.
And the best power saw for some trimming/thinning is actually a Sawzall with a pruning blade: gets in-between tight limbs and brush (could be corded or battery)!
Philbert
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I wasn't making fun of it Phil.
No offense taken. Hope you did not take any either.
Just an automatic response after 'defending' corded and battery saws in these forums. Heck, I even use manual saws.
And the best power saw for some trimming/thinning is actually a Sawzall with a pruning blade: gets in-between tight limbs and brush (could be corded or battery)!
Philbert
I've used my Super Sawzall to prune bushes and small trees in places where I couldn't run a gas saw. Worked surprisingly well.
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These types of blades work really well in dense shrubs, etc. Fit where no chainsaw, and many hand saws, will not. Seen them in many brands: Sears, Bosch, Black & Decker, Milwaukee, Porter-Cable, Freud/Diablo, Vermont American, etc.
And, juat to say on topic, they also work with cordless reciprocating saws!
Philbert
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Here is one more 'less-tha-one-full-battery' cut photo I ran across, using the 2.4 Ah battery.
Philbert
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I own one. I think it is a saw that has plenty of grunt for all climbing activities. A little slower in the big stuff, but it doesn't slow down like a gas job. I disassembled a70'x50' Black Oak today in less than an hr with the 536. I am very pleased with my purchase! Time will tell how long this saw will last throughout the day. Since I am primarily doing Oak removals right now do to Crypt Gall Wasp, I see this as a light quiet and torquey saw.
Agreed though, it may be dangerous for crews without communication in their helmets.
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Kevin, thanks! I did get that, sorry for not replying. I bought fromTreestuff. Pricey? Yes! In today's use, very happy with the torque and quietness in the tree. I'm not cutting rounds, so my opinion may differ from others, but excellent saw.
I will completely agree with Magnus, in that battery power has a long way to go. My Stihl 160 is a toy compared to this saw. That is only a yr I think. Better powered saws are the future. My ins man sent me an OSHA top ten list of fines and gasoline powered equipment was in the top five. Although I don't use chaps or CP pants, my concern is the continuous torque of these saws.
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We did a very informal chaps test at a recent GTG, with my Oregon CS250, and an old pair of Husqvarna chaps. Not quantitative or conclusive, but the chaps stopped the chain.
The Oregon saw has circuitry that shuts the saw down when overloaded, instead of stalling, or burning up the motor. The protective fibers jammed up the nose sprocket on that saw, causing the saw to cut out. I know that chaps are not rated for electric saws, and that wearing chaps while climbing creates some issues. But they did appear to provide some protection.
Philbert
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Ran the T536li at the dealer today in a hard 10" log and was pleasantly surprised how well it performed. Dealer us bringing some demo saw to our yard next week. I'll see if I can get some vids to share/compare...
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Have not found a local dealer stocking them here. I think that they are afraid in investing in a 'novelty' until there is a demonstrated demand.
Philbert
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Cut4fun had a Oregon battery powered demo saw at his house a few years ago. I figured it to be a very viable device for a pruning saw. A must for the lady or a mechanically challenged man. Keeping up with the battery would be less trouble in the long run than keeping canned fuel pre-mix on the shelf.
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Saw felt good and the dealer will be letting us use the demo saw for a few days once the back ordered chargers come in. I think the saw would be great for smaller tree pruning jobs and sure make for a peaceful quiet day. Lol
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Saw felt good and the dealer will be letting us use the demo saw for a few days once the back ordered chargers come in. I think the saw would be great for smaller tree pruning jobs and sure make for a peaceful quiet day. Lol
Would it be worth using as a bucket saw? At the park where I do volunteer work, we're restricted to only cutting from November 1 through April or so due to the 'bird nesting treaty' nonsense (damn marbled murlet and spotted owl). During April-October we can only run 'regular' saws when structures, trails, roads, or campsites are threatened by hazard trees. Pruning and such is basically verboten during that time. Anywho...........................I've been thinking about getting the OSD people to spring for a couple of these battery powered Huskys for cutting during the 'quiet' months.
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Aaron, saw cut really good! Only hesitation would be battery life IMO. Be great for pruning in a bucket truck. Having a few friends and the local dealer down to our yard this coming Saturday so I'll run it some more and get a better feel.
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One of the better battery powered saws should work well in a bucket, provided that you have a spare battery or two, depending on how much you plan to cut, just as with any cordless tools.
As far as the noise, I have used mine in residential neighborhoods on the weekends, and don't run into any problems. Mine is only as noisy as a reciprocating saw, so the noise does not travel very far.
Regulations, however, are a different story. I asked the USFS If they would let me bring in a battery powered saw into a wilderness area, where chainsaws are prohibited. They flatly said 'No'.
Philbert
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Thanks for the input guys.