Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Stihl => Topic started by: Cut4fun on February 25, 2011, 05:14:13 pm
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Took this 026 pro in on trade then found a rollernose bar for it. Bar spoke for already.
Is there different air filter types for these?
This is only the 2nd one I have taken in and the first one was sold before i even got a piston put in it.
Crappy cell phone pic.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/026rollernose.jpg)
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There are several different filters, got any pictures of the other side of the saw?
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got any pictures of the other side of the saw?
What are you wanting a pic of? Ill go take one.
It has a H and L 194 carb on it. Last owner put it on and I also got a no H carb that was on it stock.
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I don't know all the particulars, but the filter was improved along the way. I believe there were accompanying plastic and tank vent changes as well.
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got any pictures of the other side of the saw?
What are you wanting a pic of? Ill go take one.
Here you go. What is it your were looking for stihlbro?
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Projects/Copyofcrackedcase372004.jpg)
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You have the newest of the Stihl 260 filters. 2 types, nylon and felt winter one. I always used nylon.
I always changed out the com carb for non comp older carbs. We have running issues with comp carbs. I just stuck a foam ear plug in the filters comp tube hole. Worked great.
Have alot of new 260 nylon ones if you need one.
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video running stihl RS 3/8 chain and 7t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_6MwBMzgaQ
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That 026 looks to be pulling the 3/8 chain real well.
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My dealer is supposed to be keeping an eye out for a rebuilder so I can build up a 3 cuber .
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My dealer is supposed to be keeping an eye out for a rebuilder so I can build up a 3 cuber .
Al I just ordered a new 16" 325 bar and have 2 rm2 work chains for this one. I'm just using it to cut firewood with when needed. It's on the trading block too, just like the others. ;)
You would want a new cylinder and piston if you were going to build a 3ci gtg saw or racesaw IMHO. The exhaust is just a tad to high on this one.
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Kevin the two most common filters are the 1121 120 1612 for the non compensating carbs, this is the fleece filter with a single hole, and the 1121 120 1618 is the fleece filter for the newer 026's and 260's it has the extra hole for compensating feature on the carb.
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You would want a new cylinder and piston if you were going to build a 3ci gtg saw or racesaw IMHO. The exhaust is just a tad to high on this one.
Well ,chit happens ,it wouldn't be the first time .Fast as lightning ,no azz .
I suppose if there's enough meat left a person could face cut the head deck but that's getting a little off the beaten path of the topic .Besides the fact it would be a giant pain in the buttocks to do .
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026 muffler mod made simple. I think there are at least 3 different covers and 2 different backs on the 026.
Why pay someone $100 for a modified 026 cover when you can drill or dremel your own covers for nothing.
Let you saw breath and adjust your carbs afterwords.
Here is the basic 026 cover. Drill a hole above and below existing hole and open the outer exhaust deflector. or use a dremel as I did on this one. If you have a cage inside your rear muffler, drill holes in it or remove it to. All very simple and no cost. Less then 15-20 mins from start to finish.
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What is the thickness of a stock stihl oem cylinder gasket?
What would one expect to pay at a dealer that is full retail and new. I dont know this 4th new JD stihl dealer, but they are the closest and I dont want to drive hour and half to my best stihl dealer.
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I didnt know there was 2 different gaskets with different thickness. Does this sound right to you guys?
CYLINDER GASKET (0.5MM) 026 MS 260 1118 029 2306 $4.99
CYLINDER GASKET (1.0MM) 026 MS 260 1121 029 2305 $2.79
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I didnt know there was 2 different gaskets with different thickness. Does this sound right to you guys?
CYLINDER GASKET (0.5MM) 026 MS 260 1118 029 2306 $4.99
CYLINDER GASKET (1.0MM) 026 MS 260 1121 029 2305 $2.79
I think there are a lot of Stihls that have the two gasket sizes. Where are you getting your pricing ?? PM me if need be.
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I didnt know there was 2 different gaskets with different thickness. Does this sound right to you guys?
CYLINDER GASKET (0.5MM) 026 MS 260 1118 029 2306 $4.99
CYLINDER GASKET (1.0MM) 026 MS 260 1121 029 2305 $2.79
That is correct. If you need crank seals or such, consider buying a complete gasket set. The cost of two seals will buy the whole set of gaskets.
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Where are you getting your pricing ?? PM me if need be.
I pm'ed you how I was getting the pricing after hours. I just called the new close dealer JD and stihl now. Not going to place a order till later in the week and then a couple days. He said cost would be $2 plus shipping for the .5mm 11180292306.
I just ordered it online for $4.25 and shipping instead. Same wait or shorter I figure and wont cost me 10 bucks in gas or more to go pick it up. I tried.
If I wanted to travel hour and half and 2 hrs round trips I know the other 2 dealers would have in stock. But it's not worth it to me.
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Two gaskets available, 1 mm and .5 mm
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I took a 026 topend in trade Art and it has the same troubles your 158 has without gasket.
Setting here waiting on a gasket because it wont turn over without a gasket and it needs .5mm oem thickness to clear. Somebody had put a lump in the middle of the piston and cut the cylinder so it could run a oem .5 gasket. 8)
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So whats your plans with this saw?
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I'm going to compare to the PP346 45cc and EHP5000 redmax when done. I heard this topend would like a big carb and intake, but I am just going to run what came on the 026.
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Well got the gasket in this evening. ;D Learned valuable lessons I had forgotten. Dont get in a hurry putting something back together.
I bet I done everything 2 to 3 times over and caught that I had put the 5x12mm bolts in the cylinder when I was getting ready to put the muffler on and only had 3 5x20mm bolts . :-X :-[ Not only wrong bolts I was missing 1. Never found it and I keep the bolts in a magnetic bowl.
Went to throw a 3/8 7 on it and square CL and forgot about the mini stihl drum >:( so I had to put a mini stihl 325 8 and run the 325 RM2 063 chain I had for that bar.
Gobs of compression and might put the de-comp in it instead of the plug. Just in case someone down the road may need it someday.
Soon as I get the mini 3/8 7 or oregon 3/8 7 drum set up I will test and compare.
What I was thinking and saying to myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85V1Xewv20k&feature=related
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I call myself that at least 10 times a day. ;D
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Gets up and runs to barn on a thought. Found my mini 3/8 7 8) . I forgot I had put it on the 028 super. :D :D :P
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I've made base gaskets .Simpley because I had cut the base down down somewhat off the mark of where I wanted it to be ,duh .
All kinds of things work .The cover from National Geographic,Budweiser cartons ,even Mountain Dew .I've even used regular gasket paper .Imagine that . ;D
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I had homemade gasket on hand Al, but it was to thick and other stuff I had was to thin. This pop up piston and cylinder was cut to run a .5mm gasket and oem had one to set the squish nice and tight without hitting. ;)
I just tested the redmax 5000 , husky 346 OE 45cc, stihl 026 pro 44mm.
I ran the redmax, husky, stihl in that order and all had air filters and ran same stihl chain out of the box sharp 3/8 RSC. All 3 were tuned fat low 14 to 14.4 and running 3/8 7T rim.
I could tell the difference in the 026 compared to the 5000 and 346 from the warm up. Throttle response wasnt crisp and snappy like the other 2 and just a different sounding motor. Have a good idea why, but I dont care. It's going to be used for a work saw and lot better then a stock 026. ;D
Fastest 2 times from 4 cuts in 12 inch round poplar.
redmax 5000 2.66 2.69
husky OE 346 2.60 2.65
stilh 026 3.44 3.47
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Just thought of something. The 5000, 346, had fine mesh filters and the 026 had the flocked filter. Might check the 026 without a filter someday just to see.
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The flocked of course is a better filter but it's more restrictive .
Interestingly though I sometimes forget what I'm doing although I know better .Last week I got into some big,I mean huge trees which had some rot .All the suddened my good old 038 Mag took a fit on me .After fiddling around way too long on it I finally figured out the flocked filter was plugged tighter than a bulls azz at fly time ,duh .Geeze and I call myself a sawman but sometimes wonder about that . .
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stihl chain out of the box sharp 3/8 RSC. tuned fat low 14 to 14.4 and running 3/8 7T rim.
I could tell the difference in the 026 compared to the 5000 and 346 from the warm up. Throttle response wasnt crisp and snappy like the other 2 and just a different sounding motor. Have a good idea why, but I dont care. It's going to be used for a work saw and lot better then a stock 026. ;D
Fastest 2 times from 4 cuts in 12 inch round poplar. stilh 026 3.44 3.47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvH3pjKkpUI
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I was ask to post some pics of what a 028 super and 026 pro look like side by side.
The 028 super is a oem piston rebuild and all stock, the 026 pro is woods ported with domed pop piston.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/028super026pro001.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/028super026pro006.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/028super026pro005.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/028super026pro004.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/028super026pro003.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/028super026pro002.jpg)
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My new to me 026. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u94IUQ0enF4
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Not bad.
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Not bad.
Its faster than my ported Partner 5000. I need to build a chain for it though.
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Not bad.
Its faster than my ported Partner 5000. I need to build a chain for it though.
That tells me she is getting with it then for a 026 work saw. Does it feel as much torque as the 5000?
That 5000 was built as a strong work saw with stock small carb. I also used it for my practice saw to my faster 5000, so I wouldnt have to cold start the race saw over and over. It wasnt the fastest but usually in top 5 at gtg's.
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Its not a work saw. It has a 044 carb ;). Its quite torqy. This saw has beat Nate's race 490 jred in the past.
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Does anyone know if my old 260TW was raced anywhere this year? Wondering how it made out.
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Does anyone know if my old 260TW was raced anywhere this year? Wondering how it made out.
Not sure if same guy, but they have a husky 50 built now for alky and ran it, took 1st in Alabama in 3ci with husky 50.
What carb did yours have on it Art? I know one TW 026 had 084 carb.
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I think Stihlbro bought the saw. It had a 066 carb on it.
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Its not a work saw. It has a 044 carb ;). Its quite torqy. This saw has beat Nate's race 490 jred in the past.
OK LOL, now I know Nate's 066 carb gas race 490/590 was faster then my race 5000 on gas and 272 carb. I dont know if it was once I switched to nitrodine.
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He's here Art. I dont know if he or his bro raced that one or not. His bro races the alky 50.
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I think you can put what's left of the p&c and crank, plus some spare change in your back pocket now (from what I've heard :o). :'(
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I think you can put what's left of the p&c and crank, plus some spare change in your back pocket now (from what I've heard :o). :'(
What saw did this happen to?
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I think you can put what's left of the p&c and crank, plus some spare change in your back pocket now (from what I've heard :o). :'(
What saw did this happen to?
You'd have to ask Stihlbro........... ;)
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I think you can put what's left of the p&c and crank, plus some spare change in your back pocket now (from what I've heard :o). :'(
What saw did this happen to?
You'd have to ask Stihlbro........... ;)
Did. Ouch....... :'(
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I was going to see if he would sell it back to me. Too late I guess.
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I wonder who was begging for those new 026 numbers and copying them now days for their own work to sale to others for $$$. LMAO ;) ;D
Good old video of Brian aka Timberwolf 026.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CovJD_Ozbng&feature=related
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We took a clean old 026 in on trade the other day I think I might have to port it this
winter.
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I don't have any idea why so many people have a thing for "numbers " because if you haven't got an area in mind you'll never get the port time area open formulas to work .
I don't how many people niave as they are have filed an exhaust port up to maybe 94 on opening without raising the comp increasing the transfer area or any intake work then brag how fast it runs only to have it fall on its face in the cut .All they end up with is loud . ??? Now that really proves a lot ,geeze .
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Al some people keep records of porting numbers that worked in certain saws in a little black book. Then they can use those numbers and modify as needed to look for gains. Saves them from having them from doing the work when they couldnt get a 026 to run as good as this 026. So they stick these 026 numbers in and go from there. ;)
Just like my first 5000 plus cylinder was a copy of MVP5000 alky cylinder and they were approved afterwords with little gains here and there. ;D The same reason when I hear a ported 372 I can hear that it is a Dan Henry saw or one that has been copied. I have only heard 2 builders with that sound of PP372 and Dan built saws for the 2nd builder. 346 same way. etc etc
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I had to kind of laugh a little bit at Chardon when Cliff in his usual way said out the clear blue "my that thing has a long intake " .Now how in the world he could tell by the sound I'll never know but he could . ???
About the only thing I tell my sound alone is if the the thing is extremely high ported on the exhaust .
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Now we are talking...
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9am morning pick and had to wait 2hrs to go pick it up. Finally now I can build one for the guy looking instead of having to have one shipped in.
stihl 026 red lever saw pho. Dont appear to be the pro. But no biggie.
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So digging in first thing I notice is a decomp plug. Least it is stihl oem cylinder and piston. Bad the piston got scored on exhaust side. Not bad enought to stick rings even. Cylinder will clean up easy.
Stihl have a decomp 44mm cylinder? I think I remember yes to this but want to make sure. Because using my calibers just hair under 44mm piston. Just trying to make sure.
Oh H side was only 1/2 turn out and plug white grey LOL L close to the same. smh
1121-030-2001 11210302001 44mm piston
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For $29 you get a piston you can trust. $12 worth of rings you dont have to replace like on the cheaper pistons (so time and $ saved right there IMHO).
I wont run the other aftermarket rings unless in my own test saw. OEM or caber rings for me only.
Even the circlips in this kit looks and feel tension etc like oem. Wrist pin is heavy compared to oem. I usually use oem pins if they fit right.
I will have no problem backing this piston kit up for new owner. Could I feel that way with a cheaper one = nope.
Peace of mind - PRICELESS ;)
New ball hone arrived too.
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Stihl 026 lives.
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Pics of clean up by hand of cylinder with emery cloth and flapper wheel used too. You can still see the scoring where aluminum was. But smooth as can be running fingernail across.
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Then of cylinder after ball hone to put in crosshatching.
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Oh more info = I was unable to use the OEM wrist pin in this one. Was just hair to long. So had to use the heavier meteor one. These circlips looked and felt like the oem ones. So used theirs.
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Bar came in today. Went with 18" 325 050 74dl. Being I wanted 16" 325 050 67dl. But 16" was harder to find and didnt want 063.
Was test cutting in ash and the carb IMO was acting funky. So took back in and put a kit in it. Good to go now. 8)
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Bought a cover with decomp hole so if I wanted to stick a decomp in it for next owner. Since right now it is plugged off with cover that came on it.
Not sure if the original guy that wanted me to build one for him is getting it or not.
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Here's another one.. still unused bar in this pic, a 18" bar for bigger trees. I need at least two different bars, 13" and longer.
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Oh more info = I was unable to use the OEM wrist pin in this one. Was just hair to long. So had to use the heavier meteor one. These circlips looked and felt like the oem ones. So used theirs.
Maybe you could just grind off the extra, That is what I usually do
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Guy bought the stihl 026 with the decomp top cover and decomp set plus traded in 353 that will need a piston kit. But runs great.
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Need a good pic of stihl 026 chain brake area with the dust cover off. To see how everything goes back. Looking at IPL isnt helping me to much on the location of hooking everything back up.
Working on a 026 that was torn down completed apart except for splitting the cases by someone that was brought in a box. SMH
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This helped.
https://youtu.be/-VIukGFWwIw
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Saving. Already done. But good to have on hand.
Willard's stihl 024 service manual pics.
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Why they took the clutch apart and left the hub on the crank. smh All good now.
The start of it laid out of the box.
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Need another idea on this 026 building from the box. The flywheel key was sheared in it and wore into the groove as one. The piece in fly knocked out easy. This wont budge. Also the cut off wheel is to round for area to get into it. Ideas?
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Found a small diamond wheel in the wife's stuff she uses. Got it grinded out. Anyone have a pic of a 026 crank keyway? Want to make sure I am close to being done as I dont have a 026 key on hand to test.
1120 036 8500 1 Woodruff key 2x3.7 http://bricomeca.free.fr/Stihl/stihl%20026%20IPL.pdf
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I called owner to let him know about it. I got as much as I could out with the small one on right. I ran 3120's with no keys and 272 coils, so I know it would be fine. But it was someone paying me so I was trying to do it right.
tools
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Got enough out with tool on right to make a smaller key from a old key on hand to put in it for him. He was ok with going no key though.
K11-WAT carb kit
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Ordered my parts for the 026 build from Northwood saw. http://www.northwoodsaw.com/
Tried 2 other places HL and Sawagain but both were higher on prices for the stuff I needed. So NWS got the nod again this time.
Plus they had stuff I needed in stock so I didnt need to shop 2-3 different places to get everything.
Just one example.
44mm Meteor Piston for Stihl Model 026 1 $27.95
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I've had real good luck from Northwood .
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Everything arrived yesterday evening and installed. She lives to cut another day. 8)
Hope to button up and test cut with today.
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026 is done and passed the test cutting of 16" dry ash today. The one that was in 3 boxes and set for 5 years taken apart while owner was drunk. Was a fun little project. Not!
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Enter SAW in place of JOB
https://youtu.be/EPrSVkTRb24
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Just had 026 come in setting all wallygagged. He was cutting bushes with it. With a super dull chain pulling on the handle to get it through the side way cuts. Want to guess what he broke. ::)
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Right side rubber av was pulled out of case but not ripped. The left side took the damage.
I came up with redneck fix and warned him about repeating such.
It aint right but better then not having a limiter where he broke the case.
Man the difference in a muffler modded 026 and stock muffler.
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I was glad that other 026 was here so I could show him what he broke off. Other 026.
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Broken case and limiter. Redneck fix after putting other side back right.
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Female firewood cutters 026 pro saw dropped off. Story is she bought new due to loaning out here 029 and they never returned it. Just had to save the pics.
Need to talk to her about her mix type and water in tank too. As poured out and pic taken min afterwords and could see it separating.
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96400031190 Oil seal 12x20x5
96400031600 Oil seal 15x29.6x4
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Help please!
Trying to remove the carb on my 024/6. The throttle rod seems to stop the removal. Do you have to take the handle off?
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Help please!
Trying to remove the carb on my 024/6. The throttle rod seems to stop the removal. Do you have to take the handle off?
I take that black rear handle cover off and remove the linkage on that end.
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Does this look like to much space to you 026 gurus on the choke? If it aint the choke it maybe a stiff diaphragm. Everything else checks out.
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Ordered a new oem air filter. Guys on CRG said the aftermarket ones still have the issue this one oem one is having.
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Why I always test cut before letting saws go back. 026 was cutting out in cut like I hit kill switch. Back and forth.
Dug in found bare coil wire in one spot and one of the little wires bare in one spot. Problem solved.
True story local dealer sent saw back out with friend. Said good to go. He put wrong coil in it wouldnt start. Know good and well he didnt freaking test it. ;) I get all of this guys business since he found out I work on saws. Test them saws before calling it good to go. JMO
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Totally agree! I make my customers start saw, etc. before leaving.
Shep
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026 in for wonky WT-22 carb nothing helps idle tuning and start. But good to go once running and full throttle.
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Hi guys a friend as give me sthil 026 i looks haven’t ran for while I have got a spark from plug but unable to get it to fire(run) any ideas I have looked on web about changing piston head and carb would this might make a difference
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Getting fuel to plug? Have you tried squirting mix through carb with filter off to see?
Have you done the basics? Check impulse line from carb to crankcase or cylinder. Checked fuel line and filter. etc etc
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Merged the 2 026 threads. Read though it too
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How long has it been since the 260 was replaced? One just dropped off that is sweet looking like new and still has the case sticker.
Maybe next time I can talk the owner into a muffler mod to wake it up a bit, other wise sweet little saw. 18" 325 set up. Getting it ready to head to WV.
Forgot pics. Tomorrow maybe.
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Pics
I dont keep 063 in stock so ordering a new chain. Tested out good with the ole wore out chain though.
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When owner picked saw up he said he bought it about 10 years ago.
Outfitted with oregon LPX 325 chain now. Still impressed with that chain since chain build off.
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i believe the filters are different between the 026 and ms260.
i believe its something to do with the high tank breather on the 026.
you should be able to use a 026 filter on a 260 not not vice versa. same applies to the fuel tanks.
you need the matching breather plus the relevant fuel caps. 260 has flippy caps
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I have a starting issue with an 024S that I upgraded to a 026 via Huztl. It is very hard to start but once started runs well. I feel that it may not be getting a good impulse to pull fuel. Plug is dry not wet.
I thought that the metering lever might be set a little low so I raised that a little with no difference. Put a new plug in and it fired off, but it had been running and the next day no go.
It's a bit of work to replace the impulse tube so I would be happy to hear any options to try first.
Many thanks
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I was going to say check impulse too.
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When ordering from stihl oem cylinders. Check them. Here is what a guy just received to fix the 260.
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They shared 4 more pics. Just the 1 needed here.