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Title: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 09, 2013, 05:38:14 pm
Well I got floored today. I thought all poulan 3300 were 54cc and bare bore chrome piston.

ms460woodchuck can you take a pic of the top of the cylinder on the one I traded you?  I might come across a pic of when I had it, but just in case.


To start off I set this 3300 on the shelf about a year half ago or more. Today I pulled it down and first thing I notice it has fins on the top of cylinder. I looked at sticker and it did say 54cc  ???  and date of 2003.

What dates were the 3300 made? I know somewhere in mid 80's to ??

So I had to dig deeper and found a chrome bore swooped transfers 49mm 60cc top on this saw.   ;D

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/pp5020av330060cc007_zpsc0b35649.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/pp5020av330060cc008_zps091734bc.jpg)
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 09, 2013, 05:38:52 pm
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/pp5020av330060cc010_zps6fb55933.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/pp5020av330060cc012_zpsa37ac23e.jpg)
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Eccentric on March 09, 2013, 05:55:06 pm
Somebody swapped top ends there.  Does a 3500 or 3600 have that style transfers?
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 09, 2013, 06:08:35 pm
I have a 3500 on the bench too and it has same numbers across cylinder.   Thats what I was thinking.

 All looked like never been messed with before. Just never seen a cylinder so snug as a bug and didnt want to come off. 

Was doing the happy dance though.  8)
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 09, 2013, 06:19:00 pm
Tag on Mark's 3300 and my other 3300 type 3 was the same as this one.

(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=508.0;attach=738;image)
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: ms460woodchuck on March 09, 2013, 06:47:14 pm
 No pics Kevin but mine is not 60cc. I am growing partial to my 3000. The thin double rings seem to make the 3000 have more snot than my 3300 even thought the bore is less. I wonder what my 3000 would run like with the bigger carb and air filter set up off of a 3450/330...hmmmm
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 09, 2013, 06:56:47 pm
No pics Kevin but mine is not 60cc. I am growing partial to my 3000. The thin double rings seem to make the 3000 have more snot than my 3300 even thought the bore is less. I wonder what my 3000 would run like with the bigger carb and air filter set up off of a 3450/330...hmmmm

I was planning on putting a 60cc on the grey craftsman poulan 3000   ;D with big intake and carb from 330 etc.  Ask 3000 fps I told him this a few days ago.

Had a poulan 305 and loved it should have never parted ways with it or the 335. But I dont grow partial to nothing. I actually had to price a saw at the mini gtg today.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Barneyrb on March 09, 2013, 08:50:52 pm
No pics Kevin but mine is not 60cc. I am growing partial to my 3000. The thin double rings seem to make the 3000 have more snot than my 3300 even thought the bore is less. I wonder what my 3000 would run like with the bigger carb and air filter set up off of a 3450/330...hmmmm

I was planning on putting a 60cc on the grey craftsman poulan 3000   ;D with big intake and carb from 330 etc.  Ask 3000 fps I told him this a few days ago.

Had a poulan 305 and loved it should have never parted ways with it or the 335. But I dont grow partial to nothing. I actually had to price a saw at the mini gtg today.

You may or may not be able to do that. There is a bolt pattern change in there somewhere as I tried to put a 60cc top end on a 335 and the 60cc had a wider bolt spacing. I'm not real clear as to when this happened but some fit and some don't
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Eccentric on March 09, 2013, 09:17:36 pm
I thought the 60cc 3500/3600 saws had the same 'smaller' pattern as the other earlier smaller displacement saws, while the 3450/3750/330/380 saws had the larger pattern.  I may be mistaken however....
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 09, 2013, 09:31:50 pm
I have a 365 apart right now and the cylinder looks just like that.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun on March 09, 2013, 11:03:05 pm
I dont know for sure as I havent tried it yet.

But guessing the PP365 3500 60cc tops with smaller pattern will fit the 3000 305 etc.

The 3750 380 60cc had the larger bolt pattern and only fit the 330 3450 saws.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Barneyrb on March 10, 2013, 09:15:56 am
I always thought the 365/380 was on the same base bolt pattern and the smaller saws were different. I never knew there were 2 different bolt patterns on the 60cc jugs. Learn something new every day........
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun on March 10, 2013, 10:23:43 am
Looking for tank sticker numbers off 330 3450 3500 3600 3300. Looking for a tag to match 530-054516

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/pp5020av330060cc012_zpsa37ac23e.jpg)
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: dutchsawdoctor on March 10, 2013, 01:45:59 pm
Wold love to see/hear how it runs ::)( and see you dancing ) ;D
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 02:06:31 pm
I just compared this saw I pulled the 60cc top from to my 3500 and the flywheel is different, bar studs are different, upper left av is different then 3500 and the grey poulan craftsman 3000. 3500 and grey 3000 match but not this new one.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 02:28:11 pm
Found another difference on the new saw that had 60cc top and a my other 3500 60cc. Even though same cylinder numbers. The new saw impulse nipple is on the cylinder and the 3500 has the impulse nipple in the crankcase below the cylinder.

Flywheel etc is different then the 3600 I just checked too in pics.

Also the new saw has the wider muffler area on crankcase, not the narrower like 3000.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 03:45:17 pm
I wonder what my 3000 would run like with the bigger carb and air filter set up off of a 3450/330...hmmmm

I was planning on putting a 60cc on the grey craftsman poulan 3000   ;D with big intake and carb from 330 etc.  Ask 3000 fps I told him this a few days ago.



Hit a road block on my conversion today. No bigger intakes left, had to order one and went ahead and ordered a extra carb too, just in case. Even though I know I have a carb in the carb bins.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 03:46:44 pm

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/pp5020av330060cc012_zpsa37ac23e.jpg)

So am I reading this sticker right?  Type 4 or Type 3  ?
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 10, 2013, 04:24:12 pm
I do not see a type unless the -4 after the serial number is the type?   I do not know alot about the 3300 saws but I know that the cylinder off of the 365 does not have the impulse in the cylinder and is a gilardoni.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 04:37:03 pm
Even tough it was sold as a 3300 I dont think it is being it has the wider muffler and crankcase area for wider muffler.

I dont have a 3300 to look at that area anymore. But the grey poulan 3000 is narrow crankcase area for smaller muffler.

So does 3300 have narrow or wider muffler?


I forgot I had a 365 on the shelf. Will check or see if pics show.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 04:39:50 pm
This new one has impulse in the cylinder and is a gilardoni.  The 3500 one with impulse in crankcase I think is gilardoni and has same number as other saw.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: dutchsawdoctor on March 10, 2013, 04:47:43 pm
Interesting will follow your search
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 04:50:42 pm
See how the left side of this 3300 crankcase is wide on the left front side for the narrow muffler. This new saw has narrower area there like the 3500 for the wider muffler.

This 3300 shows impulse in crankcase too.


Found a 3500 3600 crankcase to show the thinner area on left front where wider muffler fits.


You can see the difference in cases there.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 04:56:14 pm
The saw I was putting the 60cc cylinder with impulse nipple on cylinder = grey poulan 3000  has impulse on crankcase so I will be blocking one of them off.

Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 10, 2013, 06:08:50 pm
I really like the design of these 60cc cylinders with the quad transfers.    For an open transfer cylinder I have not seen anything else like it.    That 3000 should be a good runner with that cylinder on it.   Are you going to do any other surprises to the cylinder before sticking it on there.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 06:13:57 pm
Stock at first to make sure I can get the bigger carb and bigger intake etc squared away first.

 Seen some other parts I'm missing now too between carb and intake for bigger set up.   :-X ::)
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 06:23:07 pm
UPDATED pics

Posted comparison crankcase pics in above post now.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 10, 2013, 06:27:58 pm
Oh yea looks like about half the thickness.   Never noticed before.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: fastleo151 on March 10, 2013, 06:30:21 pm
I would be interested in the final weight of this saw.  The 3500/365 saws are good runners anything that could be done to cut weight would be great info.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 10, 2013, 06:36:50 pm
I would think that there is a trade off.    A smaller saw even though weighs less is going to have a smaller oil tank and gas tank.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2013, 06:39:01 pm
I dont have a good scale. Just look at the weights of a 335 3000 305 compared to 365. 

There are PHO empty weights with pics posted here somewhere and Mark has them posted too.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300
Post by: Cut4fun on March 12, 2013, 05:20:46 pm
After taking some closer measurements with calibers and comparing base gaskets from other builds left over.  The saw was sold as a 3300 and was set up for the other older style covers, not the new air filter and covers set up like on 330 3450.  Wished it had been the 3500 or 3600 now.
 
 I have come to the conclusion this is a Type 4 3450 with a 60cc cylinder. Even though everything shows only Type 3 with 60cc cylinder. 
Even compared the torn intake to my smaller intakes and it is indeed the bigger 3450 style intake.  Carb was missing so I couldnt check that.

Even though my rough measurements showed same as the grey poulan 3000 measurements from eyeing across measure .

Anyone got any rear sticker pics or info to share off 3450 T3 T4?  The Bad Boy 3450 1999 tag has different 530- numbers.


You may or may not be able to do that. There is a bolt pattern change in there somewhere as I tried to put a 60cc top end on a 335 and the 60cc had a wider bolt spacing. I'm not real clear as to when this happened but some fit and some don't

Randy did you try a 365 or 3500 cylinder for this swap?    The 60cc on what was sold to me as a 3300 and thought was a 3500 3600 turns out to be 3450 T4. So after using calipers today and not eyeing measurements the extra 60cc isnt going to work. So now I am wondering about the 60cc 365 3500 topends fitting?
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2013, 06:07:00 pm
If you remember something else that was throwing me off was the newer flywheel. Now we know it is 3450 and matches this one.

Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 12, 2013, 07:08:03 pm
I believe the Piston ring for a 3750 is the same as for the PP365. 



My bad meant to quote.  :-[
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2013, 07:15:42 pm
I believe the Piston ring for a 3750 is the same as for the PP365. 

Yep when I ordered rings for 3750 I also got them for 365.   I swear I remember cylinders being different pattern though.

But remember  54cc 3450 330 ring works in the 335 with 3450 style piston.

Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 12, 2013, 07:19:43 pm
I believe the Piston ring for a 3750 is the same as for the PP365. 

Yep when I ordered rings for 3750 I also got them for 365.   I swear I remember cylinders being different pattern though.

But remember  54cc 3450 330 ring works in the 335 with 3450 style piston.

  Yes that would be the 335 Predator which I am sure you knew.

So is the piston the same for 365 as for the 3750.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 12, 2013, 07:23:01 pm
Never mind answered my own question.   The 3750 and 365 list the piston kit with same part number.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2013, 07:32:58 pm
Yes same piston 365 3750 etc.

Going by this info T4 isnt a 60cc, is this what others see?  The saw tag says 54cc but has a 60cc cyl. maybe somebody just updated it.


530071321    Piston Kit Model 3450 T1,T2,T4 | (Includes 29, 46 & 50)
530069549    Piston Kit Model 3750 T1 & T2, 3450 T3 | (Includes 29, 46 & 50)

530069487    Cylinder Gasket KIT Model 3450 T1
530069487    Cylinder Gasket KIT Model 3450 T2,T4
530069487    Cylinder Gasket KIT Model 3750 T1 & T2 3450 T3

530012367    Cylinder Ass'y. Model 3450 T1
530403749 !    Cylinder Ass'y.
530049906 !    CYLINDER W/IMPULSE 60CC       
952030120 !    

530030176    Piston Ring Model 3450 T1,T2,T4
530036176    Piston Ring Model 3750 T1 & T2 3450 T3


530049906 !    CYLINDER W/IMPULSE 60CC  3750
530403749 !    Cylinder Ass'y.
530012367    Cylinder Ass'y. Model 3450 T1

530036154    3500 & 3600 cyl
530012373 !    CYLINDER FINISHED (3.3)

530036176    3500 & 3600 ring
530030176    3350 ring

530036176    Piston Ring Model 365
530030176    Piston Ring Model 336

530036154    Cylinder Model 365
530012367    Cylinder Model 336

530069549    Piston Kit Model 365 | (Incl.29.,46.,49.)

530071321    Piston Kit | (Incl. 29, 45 & 46)   330
530403749    Cylinder Ass'y. 330
530030176    Piston Ring  330





Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2013, 07:36:31 pm
Guess I'll just start on the project 3500 next now while gathering parts for this 3450 with 60cc top. Think I am going to try and stay old style air filter and lower covers if I can.

Also ordered a 066 piston for one of the 2 505 projects today too.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 12, 2013, 07:41:20 pm
The 505 should be a good one.   I have one sitting here that I am gathering parts for also.   Looking for a clutch cover.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2013, 07:46:26 pm
The 505 should be a good one.   I have one sitting here that I am gathering parts for also.   Looking for a clutch cover.

One of us should have bought that low use one Mitch sold. I think he had even bought it NOS and sold it for $250 plus ship I think.

Another one I am kicking my self in the butt for not getting.  It's cost more on rebuilds for my nasty looking 505's.  Least the 3rd 505 is respectable LOL.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 12, 2013, 11:29:06 pm
Yea I hear ya on that.   So far my track record is not so good on picking up these saws and the cost of rebuilding them.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun on March 13, 2013, 01:41:11 pm
Help me out here with your knowlege on this subject. 

In the past I had always thought the 365 3500 was smaller bolt pattern at base like 3000 335 3300 etc. Well after measuring yesterday and talking with a memeber last night.

We came up with 365 3500 3450 60cc  3750 380 were all the same bolt pattern 60cc cylinder. Just some has impulse on crankcase some on the cylinder.

What makes the difference in the bigger carb and bigger intakes used on 380 3750 3450 60cc compare to the small intake and smaller carb used on the 365 3500.

Anyone got anything to add or disagree with said thinking's?

Also I looked at base 60cc and the 60cc cylinder could be slotted to make work on the smaller grey poulan 3000 case. If one wanted to I think.

Also I forgot all about having a 54cc 335 cylinder and piston on the shelf till last night. Dont look like the thin rings are going to come off and replacements NLA. So will be using a 3450 330 piston for the project.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 13, 2013, 01:50:25 pm
I will do some checking and get back to you on it.

I think the 3450 piston will work fine on the thin ring 335 cylinder.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun on March 13, 2013, 02:19:16 pm
365 cylinder when I had it split for bearings and seals.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP505PP365JD800/pp365anflowers014.jpg)

Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 14, 2013, 03:44:29 pm
So I made a small set of calipers so I could get around the cylinder and measure the bolt pattern on the TA 3750 and a 365 I have.    From side to side on center the pattern is 49mm.    From front to back on center the pattern is 45mm.   Both the 365 and the 3750 are the same.   

So I am thinking you are correct in stating that the only difference is going to be the boot intake and carb, and the location of the impulse.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 14, 2013, 04:15:50 pm
So I made a small set of calipers so I could get around the cylinder and measure the bolt pattern on the TA 3750 and a 365 I have.    From side to side on center the pattern is 49mm.    From front to back on center the pattern is 45mm.   Both the 365 and the 3750 are the same.   

So I am thinking you are correct in stating that the only difference is going to be the boot intake and carb, and the location of the impulse.

I had always thought there was a bolt pattern difference in the past.
Talking with Randy one night I ask him if he was thinking what I was thinking now and we both thought only the carb and intake were the difference.  Maybe  the impulse locations too.

Least now we know and can share the info amongst us.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 14, 2013, 04:20:26 pm
I am actually glad too you brought this up, because I did not know and really never compared the two.   So it is good to know how many different saws these cylinders will swap over to.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: fastleo151 on March 14, 2013, 06:38:31 pm
I was sure they would fit, but the cylinders have different part numbers so I assumed there different
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 14, 2013, 08:06:49 pm
I was sure they would fit, but the cylinders have different part numbers so I assumed there different

Which ones?

Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: fastleo151 on March 14, 2013, 08:26:35 pm
365/3500/3750/380
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 14, 2013, 09:04:42 pm
365/3500/3750/380

I know the numbers on my 3500 and the 60cc cylinder on the 3450 match. Yet the 3450 60cc cylinder has impulse on cylinder and the 3500 is on crankcase.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 14, 2013, 10:30:41 pm
The part numbers for the cylinder on a 365 and 3750 do not match.   I thought the cylinders would be different but it looks like it is only the intake.
Title: Re: Poulan 3300 NOT = 3450
Post by: Cut4fun on April 21, 2013, 11:02:02 pm
Posting for  Redunshee this 3450 60cc decal.  T3 60cc

Found that # I was trying to match 530054516   The one I got then is T4 listed as 54cc but had a 60cc top.

Thanks.

 
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Revpop on February 06, 2018, 10:36:25 pm
Curious as I have never seen one, so what does the side cover decals say for engine displacement for the 3450 T3 60cc chainsaw?  Is it 3.3 ci in. sticker or 3.7?
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 06, 2018, 11:16:56 pm
Curious as I have never seen one, so what does the side cover decals say for engine displacement for the 3450 T3 60cc chainsaw?  Is it 3.3 ci in. sticker or 3.7?

All I have ever seen on the side covers is 3450.   There is no 3.7 or 3.3 on them.   
I have two 3450's but they are not type III so it they are 54cc.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Revpop on February 07, 2018, 12:19:19 am
Recoil decal on my T1 says 3.3 and CB side says Timbermaster, it is 3450 in 54cc. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 07, 2018, 04:22:17 am
I do not recall seeing anything like that on my 3450's.    I guess I will have to look.
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Revpop on February 07, 2018, 04:29:25 am
I stand corrected- all the information is on the clutch/chain brake cover decal on mine.
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 07, 2018, 05:38:22 am
Had a Timbermaster labeled 3750 before.  Had purple covers etc like a badboy. Had Timbermaster labeled with black covers too. No rhyme or reason I have seen.
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 07, 2018, 05:39:56 am
Curious as I have never seen one, so what does the side cover decals say for engine displacement for the 3450 T3 60cc chainsaw?  Is it 3.3 ci in. sticker or 3.7?
Says 3450 and didnt see any cube size listed on covers that I remember. Will check next time.
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Revpop on February 07, 2018, 11:43:17 am
Picture of the sticker with engine size info.
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: stubnail67 on February 07, 2018, 09:54:33 pm
Will have to watch for these in my area....never see alot of old Poulans here Stihl echo homelite  Big Macs ever so often....every once in awhile a craftsman 3.7 or a 3700 will pop up but is usually way north of me...I never see these type ever....be keeping my peepers open....
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 08, 2018, 06:27:18 am
Looked yesterday on the 3450's and they had 3.3 on both covers. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Revpop on February 08, 2018, 10:47:55 am
Thanks for looking into that...So I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that Poulan in keeping up with their no rhyme or reason methodology with decals probably equipped with 60cc T-3 (vertical fins) went out the factory door with 3.3 decals, even though the EPA sticker was correct for stated 60cc.
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 08, 2018, 12:25:15 pm
Thanks for looking into that...So I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that Poulan in keeping up with their no rhyme or reason methodology with decals probably equipped with 60cc T-3 (vertical fins) went out the factory door with 3.3 decals, even though the EPA sticker was correct for stated 60cc.

The one I had was just like that. 3.3 on decals but 3 on the sticker for 60cc and said 60cc on it. I have pic of sticker page back.
Title: Re: Poulan 3450 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 08, 2018, 07:01:11 pm
Yep I looked at my 3450's and they do have 3.3 on the cover.   I stand corrected.   I will have to try and remember that.