Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Husqvarna => Topic started by: mcbob on July 02, 2013, 06:48:21 pm
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Well fellas as they don't love me anymore at aborting.com jealousey is a pain I know I have purchased the Varney 3120 cylinder assy to bolt to my rebuilt 3120 ... yes I may have paid too much in your eyes but hey its done and now being rebored and a new piston supplied hopefully to interest a few who like to see a little history preserved
I'm a idiot so I removed all my pics
The cylinder is due here in a few weeks should work out to be an interesting project
McBob
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More info on the Varney cylinders that was outlawed at Webster many many moons ago. Also the muffler saw one mcbob bought with more pics and info in a old thread I posted last year.
Also some others wiseco 66mm piston pics and others info.
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/husqvarna/varney-3120-racing-cylinder/
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hey bob,here's a pic of me & chauncey talkin' chainsaws at fryeburg fair a long time ago. i talked to him a few years back and asked him if he would make me a cylinder for 3120 he said he would....pm me if interested ;D
you did good on getting the one you got now ;)
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Thanks William for taking care of that order and getting it away to me I appreciate you help and assistance which one are you in the pic left or right
Bob.
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I used to think the 66mm bore was big. Now I am hearing about 72mm bore on the 48mm stroke saws. That was a new one to me but trust in who told me.
Just trying to figure out this 72mm. Wonder if maybe it was a cast cylinder or ??
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Will be interesting when its all revealed Cut for fun
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Will be interesting when its all revealed Cut for fun
Been around for a long time now ???. Not new. ;)
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Thanks William for taking care of that order and getting it away to me I appreciate you help and assistance which one are you in the pic left or right
Bob.
glad i could help ya bob!....can't wait to see how your saw turns out... oh, i'm the one relaxing in the pic ;)
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oh, i'm the one relaxing in the pic ;)
I figured that William, I remember Chauncey as a blondish haired guy........I never met him personally though. The guy was ahead of his time with old school casting know how.
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What happened to your
lovely lovely locks William ?
P.S Don't forget that pic William or i'll ask more embarassing questions
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William had hair when he needed it.
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I see the need has been and long gone ..................................
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buzz cut in spring. seems to work for me! maybe another cut if hot fall !....
pm embarassing questions i got enough to hide now previous to internet forums ;)
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William is you Kodak Brownie broke again ........................
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make sure you put the right ring in that cylinder and have the right piston shirt clearance or you will have junk very fast
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3120's hmmmm.
Dan Duncan from KY R.I.P. handing me my azz in 2009 in 10x10 poplar. 1st place him and like 5th for me. My 1st run on the husky and started it on idle to help me stop the wheelie when it was on throttle like normal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfgMTSUmzvw
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Bet that sorted your ego a little
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Bet that sorted your ego a little
Nope I never had a ego Mcbob, I knew where I stood, cull operator :D :D :D. Plus he was the KY State Lumberjack Champion.
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i figure there's no loss of ego when you know you're going up against the best. you're going into it already knowing you are gonna have yer arse handed to you. they are where they are for a reason.
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Bet that sorted your ego a little
Nope I never had a ego Mcbob, I knew where I stood, cull operator :D :D :D. Plus he was the KY State Lumberjack Champion.
Well coming from an aussie who races regularly, I thought your run was ok, I would not say Cull Operator at all. I have never done that style of racing but know enough to know its harder than it looks.
Sometimes even your best run isn't good enough for lots of reasons.
I have threatened to have a go for years at that style, if I did and videoed it you guys would get a laugh for sure.
edit,,,
forgot to add,,, we tried a simular style back in the 90's which only ran for 1 season.
We had cold start with hands on top of block, start and bore centre 1st followed by down and up, (same as our regular practice) followed by down then up cuts to finish (3 disks) and all inside 4 inches.
The object as we tried this was to even up the open hot saws, we only did it in open speed running in a 14 inch block.
The end result was the better operators with better saws just won by bigger margins and we had many complaints regarding safety so we all agreed to stop it and go back to our normal practice.
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Well Neil ya up to your silly tricks again I see I didn't call anyone a cull operator as you once said to me its put up or shut up lets see if you practice what you preach
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Mcbob I called myself Cull Operator. Neil was just saying he didnt think so. Nothing more IMO.
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Well Neil ya up to your silly tricks again I see I didn't call anyone a cull operator as you once said to me its put up or shut up lets see if you practice what you preach
As someone with no horse in the race, & have to say I thought Neil was paying Cut4fun a compliment on his skills, not slamming him.
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Well ol cut4fun I was only having a cheap shot at you that's all no harm intended I bought those pipes you told me about they should be on there way as we speak thanks ol friend .............. Bob.
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Well Neil ya up to your silly tricks again I see I didn't call anyone a cull operator as you once said to me its put up or shut up lets see if you practice what you preach
Listen Bob, I do not and have never called any man a '' cull operator'' as that term is not used by any of us racing aussies.
What I have called you is simply facts as what you type is usually not fact just construed nonsense or just plain lies.
I have said it before and I will say it again, we as in all the racing fraternity are glad you were removed from competition, and yet you still pretend you are part of it and act like you will step in at any moment.
We race a bloody lot each year, you do not.
As someone with no horse in the race, & have to say I thought Neil was paying Cut4fun a compliment on his skills, not slamming him.
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Thanks mate, I don't know you but you sure saw and understood what I said and meant.
Mcbob I called myself Cull Operator. Neil was just saying he didnt think so. Nothing more IMO.
Your spot on C4F, I thought that was ok for a weekend run, and for doodlebug to say what he said was simply silly.
He is an aussie, best thing is we don't see him anywhere near the arenas these days and havn't for years, only flapping on forums.
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Well Neil you certainly say a lot with a lot of xxxx thrown in ................ how can you get thrown out of something you never belonged to ............... and now you are acting like Hitler and making out your little club is it
as I said before there's other places to race besides the mid north coast .................. anyway who needs you ?
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Well some good news the Varney Cylinder is here fresh bore and new piston and rings should prove interesting
McBob.
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like I said before , make sure your piston clearance is set proper as that should have a cast liner in it , Rings ?, it should be ring if your using a race piston
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What if I got spare rings ?
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fresh bore and new piston and rings should prove interesting
McBob.
Does kinda imply multiple rings with a single piston & cylinder...
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Gday Vance just keeping the toothslayers guessing that's all ................... cant tell em too much or they will end up smarter than me ..................
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Mcbob I have built more than a few of those motors for other people , not sure who ported your jug but you have to really watch the intake side on these , there is not much for the intake skirt on the piston to run on so they break off and that in most cases breaks the sleeve as well
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Ed the parts was coming from Vince Loy. ;)
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Ed here is info that Vince Loy stated in the feebay ad when the stuff was for sale back in Nov 2012 when I 1st posted this stuff.
Info
Very used needing re-honed. Re-chamfered all ports. Bore now is at 61.98mm needs to be 62mm
This is for a muffler saw 3120 stroker 46mm
New extra 62mm Bore D2 tool steel liner that comes with the cylinder
Head,4 Studs 1/4x20, Reed Valve, Intake Flange, Jug &, Jug spacer, 1 Liner semi finished can be bored to 66mm
for sale local
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Original thread before someone started plastering it :D. http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/husqvarna/varney-3120-racing-cylinder/msg20907/#msg20907
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So I see a new sleeve in the picture , did it get put in ? and what width is the piston skirt on intake side compared to port width , as I can see the intake port has taken a beating in the pictures and I'm sure the intake skirt took a hell of alot more of a beating , If it had a chrome bore so it could run a tighter clearance I would be alot happier than running a sleeve cause the clearance is alot more and that leads to more intake trouble as the intake side of the piston always takes a beating
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All this has me thinking about the 3120 sitting in my garage...
Thing isI don't have a tree in the neighborhood that the Jonsered 2159 or the 670 won't take care of.... And I haven't seen a real chainsaw race since I left Oregon 25yrs ago :-(
Loves me a good timber carnival. Wish my son could be growing up with them like I did... Timber Tina's show at the state fair is as close as we come. It's kinda fun but.... Let's just say it's lacking!
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Well EHP looks as if you'll have to guess what this old fella is up to ...... sorry but its the secret squirrel bit coming to the surface again
McBob
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Like I said before on Racesaws.
We will never see it compete or even run as a racesaw ;). It will not matter and the real racers out there are not worried and only laughing. :D :D
Pay no attention to me as I know nothing and see nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVG1q49yPaY
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Like I said before on Racesaws.
We will never see it compete or even run as a racesaw ;). It will not matter and the real racers out there are not worried and only laughing. :D :D
Pay no attention to me as I know nothing and see nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVG1q49yPaY
Sadly you are right Kevin, nothing has changed since I 1st started seeing this type of thread by this man.
So many hours on forums and nothing to show in the actual race arena. Its easy to tell stories, not so easy to do against real competitors who have the skills and knowledge to make it happen.
Another point, we all run a set of saws to get through the race programs, e.g. we run a different saw for each event, starting with Modified pro U77cc through to open hot saw, a big commitment in itself. No one turns up with 1 saw to go in 1 event. Another point of importance, competitors must nominate to get a run, so if the competitor has not received acceptance or conformation by the organisers prior to the event, he or she does not race.
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Thats a trip on that last part. But understood.
That is why some events went invite only here. Keep the undesirables out. ;)
I had 3ci, 4ci, 5ci, 6ci, muffler 0-140 and hotsaw back in the day for the events that had them all.
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Thats a trip on that last part. But understood.
That is why some events went invite only here. Keep the undesirables out. ;)
I had 3ci, 4ci, 5ci, 6ci, muffler 0-140 and hotsaw back in the day for the events that had them all.
We run invitational events regularly, some organisers do invitation only events which only excepts the top 8 or 10 competitors from each state, it depends on what the organisers need to satisfy the sponcer's and sometimes sponcers want certain competitors present. Yes we too do invitational's to keep the unwanted out but, there is a lot more to why we do that than the obviouse.
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Thank goodness not all shows run to your rules there's a lot of really good cutters out there who are just sick of the bull and tripe some try to impose
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Mcbob why in the hell would I have to guess , its pretty straight forward and there is nothing your going to do to that cylinder that has not already been tried before and if you ever get it together and if so when it blows up just think that maybe you should listen sometimes
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I like Jerry Gringras husqvarna 3160xp avatar he uses. Others like it so well they are copying it and using it for themselves :D :D :D.
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Well Neil you certainly say a lot with a lot of xxxx thrown in ................ how can you get thrown out of something you never belonged to ............... and now you are acting like Hitler and making out your little club is it
as I said before there's other places to race besides the mid north coast .................. anyway who needs you ?
Just noticed this,,,, way to go Bobby, posting more bull sh#t every day, that's all you have except a chip on your shoulder.
You were part of the association, I wasn't the one who decided to remove you, it was a Unna minas decision I totally agreed on, then acted appropriately with the backing of the association.
The whole of the association records are at my place in filing cabinets, so I have all the records including your actual placing's in the few runs you made (not near as impressive as you want forum viewers to believe).
I'm not hitler, just an administrator, committee man, sponcer, competitor trying to protect our sport from lying fools like you.
Our association is only part of the organised calendar events running from Sydney through to top of QLD.
South of Sydney has talent as well, I know and are still in constant contact with the best down there, thankfully they don't carry on like you and they know if they ever decide to race again, they will be welcome with us.
So you go and **** off to where ever there is a small weekend run away from the regular race boys, big note yourself to them, I bet those boys beat you just the same. Then we will see if you get invited back the following year, or try QLD, see if they let you race.
No one needs me,,,,, but you sure got a bloody lot of mileage from me, something you could not ever do yourself.
PS,,,, I have you blocked here as well, I saw this post of yours by mistake
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I like Jerry Gringras husqvarna 3160xp avatar he uses. Others like it so well they are copying it and using it for themselves :D :D :D.
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that's good, some of the race boys called one of my old saws a 6240, here is a hint why.
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Thanks Neil for such an interesting and totally enjoyable response I read it daily with pleasure ................. pity you take things literally and to the extreme what started out as a stir certainly got your blood up quick just what I wanted and know now just how much it pee's you off .............. i' never said I was impressive I said I was out for a day of fun and I was not competitive which just pee'd you off even more we don't all need the killer instinct you have enough to pee an army off.
As regards getting great mileage from you loved it and got sucked in only too quickly and you served your purpose show that after all this time your billy carts haven't got that much quicker and you not me proved that
And on another occasion when your mate is running his NOS setup he got beaten by you ..... as you said he must have run outta gas if he remembered to activate it Ha ha ha
As regards others who race but not with your gang its their decision and as shown they prefer a more peaceful day out away from you and your over bearing ways plus I notice you don't venture down their way yourself
Blocked eh well I see you will read this .................. anyway Neil have a nice day
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Mcbob why in the hell would I have to guess , its pretty straight forward and there is nothing your going to do to that cylinder that has not already been tried before and if you ever get it together and if so when it blows up just think that maybe you should listen sometimes
Sorry for not responding sooner EHP and yes if after 20 odd years of this saw being around i'd expect that you would have to know a lot more about it than maybe I will ever know and there's only so many combinations it can be in, i'm just deciding which route I will take but 3160 sounds good to me maybe if I can get it organised and it could be used .............. just depends on how many pennies I can save up.
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I bet those boys beat you just the same. yep that is the case but hey who cares it's only another day in the sun.
No one needs me,,,,, but you sure got a bloody lot of mileage from me, something you could not ever do yourself. ..... talk about waving your own flag Neil again in case we missed you the first time
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the 3160 is a 090 jug mounted on a 3120 crankcase , its nothing new , Marcel built a couple in the later 90's , these are 66mm bore , I built a while ago a 72mm bore motor and it ran pretty good but starting the dam thing was unreal so I scrape the motor , if you were over the block it would of been pretty good but cold start no way
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Yeah that's old hat I have that already here so no need to duplicate oneself, I just ordered a custom built stroker an hour ago
Love and kisses McBob.
Better unblock yourself Neil if you wish to stay one of the informed and enlightened ones
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Neil I would not worry to much and I'm sure your not ;D, Mcbob let us all know who you got to built you a stroker ?
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neil, the 2x3120's just showed up on my end to see. Cool. Any video or better pics? Bet that was a handful to handle in itself
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Neil I would not worry to much and I'm sure your not
No Ed you are right, no competitor who has actually met him would ever be worried about him.
I'm not sure on our regular competing numbers at present but a quick guess is 90 - 100 between Sydney and the top of QLD.
Thank god the regular racers don't feel the need to start a thread every time they decide to change a spark plug, they simply race and enjoy what comes with this physical sport we choose and do not need to make up stories to gain attention,,,, they already have it.
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neil, the 2x3120's just showed up on my end to see. Cool. Any video or better pics? Bet that was a handful to handle in itself
Kevin, I do have some better pics of the old twin, I sold it off years ago to another NSW stall ward who run it for a few seasons.
I found some old video footage some time back, in the 90's / early 00's we never took video footage like today.
Most competitors video each run to find mistakes but in those days it wasn't so important. I will have to cut out a few runs I made with it.
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EHP I thought you would have worked that one out for yourself ................... Keith did a really nice job rebuilding your twin 3120 and now the saw looks and goes hard thanks to Kieth's hard work
hope he comes back and races it again you must now be green with envy ............ and good luck in out phycing him
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Mcbob I'm not worried but any one building a alcohol 3120 stroker better be if coming from over here and I was told the limit was 140cc for over there but I think there is alot of different rules cause alot of place down under is gas only
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Well i'm sure Neil will only be too happy to fill you in on all the finer details EHP after all i'm only like Shultz I know nothing
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Well EHP we have a fellow in our local area who also builds stroker crank assy's builds them for the motocross boys and short circuit events has a really good reputation and I believe some of his cranks could be stateside
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What a waste.
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Jason your just listening to the knockers
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I don't have any skin in this one. The thread started good but has went down hill from there. That's all I am saying I am here to help others as I can and learn some along the way. I will say this though EHP is very quick when it come to work saws and race/hot saws. I am pretty sure he is trying to help.
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Jason i'm not having a go at EHP as I said yes he'll know more than I will possibly ever know but at least i'm having a go better than the knockers .... now it might prove a bit of real competition regardless of who the operator is
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Well the crankcase assy arrived for my second 31?? this morning now it off to the machine shop to get a few mods done and my stroker crank isn't that far away either it's due early November from the states.
Note to Neil the saw will be cleverly disquised with a potato bag covering it.
McBob ....................... I might have been a little quite lately but I have been busy.