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Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Husqvarna => Topic started by: KilliansRedLeo on July 24, 2013, 05:16:02 pm

Title: New Bolt-On Test Kits Available Soon.
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 24, 2013, 05:16:02 pm
I left the other site because I had completed necessary market research and needed to focus on a new venture. Over the time I was there research showed and was validated by member opinion that there was room in the market for a series of 'bolt on performance' kits that could be installed by the average guy, without need for complex machine work or hunting for just the right mix of OTS parts.

We have worked with the better class of after market component vendors to come up with the first set of test kits for the Husqvarna 365/37X series of non-x-torq saws based on a 52mm BB cylinder. These are not intended to surpass a custom ported saw by any means, however, for a guy looking for a little more power from his stock saw without the expense of a one-off saw these might be just be the ticket!

Our design goals were:
Use only the highest quality after market or OEM components.
All necessary machine work already completed
Saw could easily be returned to stock
Custom base gaskets to maintain a squish of between .018-.022
Basic kits are essentially 'stage-1' with additional stages being available  as they are developed.

In a few days the web site should be up so that those interested in getting one of the dozen or so kits that I will make available for testing can sign up. Not yet sure if the test kits will be free or at minimal cost. Don't think the rules here will allow me to post a link but I am sure someone will let me know.


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Post by: SawTroll on July 24, 2013, 05:33:48 pm
I guess you needs to tell who actually makes the kits?
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Post by: Cut4fun . on July 24, 2013, 06:00:59 pm
KilliansRedLeo, PM sent with info...............
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Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 24, 2013, 06:03:08 pm
As I hope all can understand, we will not be releasing our suppliers until final agreements have been agreed and signed. Rest assured however that the suppliers are well known in the industry. All test kits will be white box and require a signed NDA returned to us prior to shipment.

Also in order to maintain the highest level of quality control we have opted to only use 'A Spec' versions of things like pistons.
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Post by: cowroy on July 24, 2013, 08:24:53 pm
Oh my i have one tore down right now that I would love to to test one of the kits out on. I could swing a little if needed for the kit. Good thing is I have a  Tree Sling'r ported 50mm top end, and a Hyway 52mm BB kit I could compare it to also with video while i am at it. I will have to get some help, but I could also get the timing numbers on all of them while I was at it if the masses would like it.
Title: Re: Conroy, New Bolt-On Test Kits Available Soon.
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 24, 2013, 09:35:43 pm
OK, here is the deal on these,

1 we started out with a BB 52mm kit
2 we built a BB 372 using a Hyway kit as the control all else was left stock except we left out the base gasket, had .026 squish.
3 we built a stage 1 saw using a modified 52mm piston in place of the Hyway BB piston.
3(a) we developed a custom set of annealed soft copper gskeets which will allow the end user to set the squish anywhere between .018 and .022 allowing for tolerance between cases and cylinders.
4 we built a dual port muffler on the mufflers made in Brazil for Husqvarna.
5 we changed the carb and intake to that used by a 365/372 X-Torq
6 we then changed the carb to a 390XP carburetor.

Steps 4,5,6 will be optional stage 2,3 and 4.
We did this so that the end user could go as far as their expertise or budget allowed.

We have been testing for over three months by giving test saws out to our customers. Our customers are pro arborists who need saws with consistent performance over time and minimal down time.

These are designed to be work saws that out perform stock saws, not custom one off saws, saws that can be maintained by the owner
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Post by: cowroy on July 24, 2013, 09:43:02 pm
Sounds awesome! I am so glad someone has done this. Probably won't affect saw builders because your always gonna have people that don't turn their ow wrenches.
Title: Re: New Bolt-On Test Kits Available Soon.
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 25, 2013, 08:46:14 am
We are in the process of making an instructional video that takes the end user through all the steps of installing the kit. Our current thinking is to include the DVD with the kit. However one of the video guys suggested that we make the video available as a desperate product for those that would rather procure their own parts or use parts they already have on hand than buy the kit. What are your opinions on this? We would probably charge some nominal fee for the DVD somewhere in the 12-15$ range.


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Post by: brokenbudget on July 25, 2013, 09:07:29 am
if they're buying the kit online, they can view the vid there aswell. why not just make the vid available to people free on your website? have a Q & A area aswell so if they run into issues with the kit, they can have somebody walk them through specific problems or concerns?
Title: Re: New Bolt-On Test Kits Available Soon.
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 25, 2013, 09:39:22 am
Great ideas, thank you. However we believe that viewing what will be a 1 plus hour video online would be a pain. Perhaps we shouldbreak it up into sections for viewing as steps in the process. Something like Before you start,  Tools needed, Tear down etc.
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Post by: brokenbudget on July 25, 2013, 11:51:09 am
an hour? i figured you could condense it down to about 15 minutes :)
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Post by: farmboy on July 25, 2013, 04:42:02 pm
KilliansredLeo  ;D glad to see you, been missing your posts over there.   I think there is a spot for this venture.  Sound good to me.  I would be very interested in test kit.
Shep
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Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 25, 2013, 04:59:33 pm
HEY Bill how you doing? Been sooooop busy with this you can't believe it. To answer budgets comment, we are doing a beginning to end video. This is a teaching/learning site and thought that if the kit idea was going to attract first-timers then we should do the complete thing.

That way we cold get people off on the right foot. This is just the first kit, we have several others on the drawing board that will be coming along over time depending on how well this goes.

We picked the 365/37X saws because they are so popular and plentiful and have such a wide following. Lots of people would like to be able to do what you and a lot of others do but don't because they believe that so much experience and knowledge is necessary to achieve a good result, so we wanted to make an effort to correct that.

Will be in touch, cheers... RedBeerKitty
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Post by: brokenbudget on July 25, 2013, 05:15:10 pm
are you going to go through pressure testing the saw and other diagnostics to make sure the bottom end is ok?
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Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 25, 2013, 07:06:00 pm
YES! From soup to nuts. We are trying to devise a way to get an indication of good sealing without asking the end user to buy a bunch of expensive additional tools.

Also these things (kits) will have a cost, may not be monetary but there will be a cost. That being said, I should explain. The offering of the test kits is to test out our instructions. We already know they work and deliver increased performance as we have had our customers running them for over three months. Are they masterminded or snellerized or simonianized saws, no!  But they do deliver significant performance increases over stock saws or those needing a rebuild. So, the prime candidates for test kits will be those that are able to divorce themselves from acquired knowledge and follow the instructions, but using their experience and knowledge to aid us in providing a clear concise path to success. We have also designed in a fail-safe path for the user and an additional benefit to the end user. The kits are based on a BB kit with a modified piston however the modified piston is NOT the piston supplied with the BB kit it is an additional piston supplied with the our kit. So end user gets the modified piston as well as the piston that comes with the BB set. Giving the end user a way to get the saw running again with the video and the parts we supply.

Not an easy thing for an experienced saw person to do!
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Post by: cowroy on July 25, 2013, 07:19:22 pm
i understand now what you mean with following directions. I misinterpreted what you needed at first. I would still love the opportunity for a test kit and would follow directions as given.
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Post by: adam32 on July 25, 2013, 08:33:05 pm
I'll do some testing for ya with a kit in some bigger wood...
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Post by: jacob j. on July 26, 2013, 08:27:28 pm
I can test a kit with different carb and intake options and I can flip out some coin to do so. I'm on a hazard tree job right falling stuff from 16" up to 70". I have a newly rebuilt 372 and a variety of carbs along with stock and modified mufflers to plug into.
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Post by: riverrocket on July 27, 2013, 09:40:41 pm
Just curious? why leave the other site ??? Pretty large audience/Market over there.
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Post by: brokenbudget on July 28, 2013, 06:15:46 am
Just curious? why leave the other site ??? Pretty large audience/Market over there.

me thinks this is a question best left to pm's ;)
Title: Re: New Bolt-On Test Kits Available Soon.
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 28, 2013, 10:27:53 am
I agree with Brokenbudget's last post!

We may have a slight delay in kit availability due to a SNAFU between US/Brazilian customs on our mufflers.
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Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2013, 10:50:40 am
I'm still waiting to just see some pics of all this stuff. Anything?
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Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 28, 2013, 11:12:44 am
As for pictures, all we have right now is engineering samples that we have been building test sample saws from and making changes to. They are UGLY and do not necessarily reflect what we will be making available in the test kit offering. As soon as a near final version is available, I will post pictures.

There may be changes again after feedback comes in from the test kits.
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Post by: riverrocket on July 28, 2013, 03:13:57 pm
Are you only making these kits for the 372 & 365 ?
Title: Re: New Bolt-On Test Kits Available Soon.
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on July 28, 2013, 03:32:28 pm
We picked the 365/37X saws as a starting point because they are so popular and there are so many of them out there. We have a couple of other ideas that we are exploring. Another small Husky and a mid-sized Stihl but right now it is all we can manage/afford just getting the current test kits ready and out there.

When we were exploring this, it seemed that we could get the parts from many sources. However, when we started speaking to vendors late last year we found out that was not the case.
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Post by: alsled on November 17, 2013, 08:07:20 am
Like I said before Tim, wish we were closer, i think I could handle your dual port needs.. Anyways I'm going to try this setup of BB, different piston, squish at .020 ish on the 365 I bought from you.

I do have a question, what is the stock squish on a 372xp?
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Post by: mdavlee . on November 17, 2013, 08:34:02 am
Usually around .040" give or take a little.
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Post by: alsled on November 17, 2013, 08:35:05 am
Thanks
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Post by: alsled on November 17, 2013, 09:22:52 am
Anybody know what the squish is of the Hyway BB kit, using the supplied piston, with stock base gasket installed?
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Post by: KilliansRedLeo on November 17, 2013, 09:29:32 am
You must measure it, everything has tolerance differences , sorry but there is no way around it.
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Post by: SawTroll on November 17, 2013, 04:13:32 pm
We picked the 365/372 saws as a starting point because they are so popular and there are so many of them out there. ....

No surprice there, it is the natural choise!  ;D
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Post by: oldtimber on November 17, 2013, 05:05:45 pm
This is a very ambitious project. The planning, organization, and testing already done, are considerable. I hope it's successful.