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Title: ATOP Square Filing Guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 26, 2011, 12:10:02 pm
Talking with Goran in emails and he might be interested in coming over here in a sub-forum to help you guys out and answer questions.

There has been some pretty quick chains I have seen come off the ATOP square guide for softwoods and good square work chains. This was done by another friend I know that bought one to try out.
He is using a different file then what comes supplied and likes the results he is getting.

Weird thing is we both use it different when watching each other file with the guide and get different angles. So it comes down to the user input too.
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: mdavlee on March 02, 2011, 05:07:34 pm
I wanted to try one of them out. I got a silvey swing arm now so I don't really need one. I still would like to try one out. It might be a good thing for someone who doesn't want to spend a chunk on a grinder.
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: man of stihl on March 02, 2011, 05:13:59 pm
where can i buy a ATOP?
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: Old Iron Logging on March 02, 2011, 05:20:28 pm
Tried one and did not get good results. No doubt that over time I could make a chain work. Slow chains stay home.
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: mdavlee on March 02, 2011, 05:56:38 pm
Baileys has them in the file section.
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: Cut4fun on March 04, 2011, 01:33:03 pm
Just some video's of past ATOP chains.

Using a stock Dolmar 7900 with 8T, testing out the new ATOP hand filed square work chain from Goran of Sweden.
 10"x10" very firm dry poplar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5RRdaV8K8E
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: Old Iron Logging on March 04, 2011, 01:44:28 pm
Here is an ATOP chain on a 254 in sugar maple. Seems slow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaEwXVnellg
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 04, 2011, 02:10:22 pm
Art something I noticed on the one the guy brought to the house. They are coming with 1 set of rollers and they are a different size then I used. Mine came with 3 sets of rollers straight from Sweden.

While sandusky was here we took a stock CL chain and then used his square atop filed chain and he was knocking off 3 tenths on his chain in softwood cuts.   We didnt write anything down so I cant get any deeper with info.
I do know he uses a different file and holds the file on the guide different then I do. So it seems a lot of factors come into play, just like user input on hand filing.
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 04, 2011, 02:13:43 pm
ATOP square filed chain in 10"x10" very dry firm poplar cant that has been setting over a year. Saw used was DN 357 set very rich by ear and then checked with tach at 13.8K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_PLLQ2N_3I
Title: Atop filing guide
Post by: aclarke on April 27, 2015, 10:05:08 am
Anyone know what type of file the atop guide uses(chisel bit)
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: 660magnum on April 27, 2015, 10:14:52 am
They are a single bevel file. One edge does left hand cutters and the other edge does right hand cutters. Same side up.

IIRC they are Vallorbe's

http://www.baileysonline.com/Chainsaw-Chain/Files-Filing-Accessories/Square-Chisel-Chain-Files/Single-Bevel-Chisel-Files/Vallorbe-Single-Bit-Chisel-File---1-Dozen.axd
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 27, 2015, 12:11:05 pm
Thats what come with it. But you can use the norm even though thicker.

You can make the rollers to get whatever angles your wanting with the tools you have.
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 27, 2015, 12:14:30 pm
Not all shown comes with it when sold.  I got my stuff from Goran himself.

(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af137/chainsawrepair/guideschains/atopsquareguide002_zps3c6059e4.jpg)
(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af137/chainsawrepair/guideschains/atopsquareguide001_zpsd1736659.jpg)
(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af137/chainsawrepair/guideschains/atopsquareguide003_zpsc7253c30.jpg)
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 27, 2015, 12:19:33 pm
Guy from Sandusky used 6 sided bevel files and supplied rollers to make faster cant chains then me.   

I liked the files for my uses, some didnt though.


2 on right are like what come with atop guide.  Stihl dealer in Ashland sold them before the guide was out.  Files are thinner thickness.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/squarefiles001_zps4c8553f8.jpg)


Closest 2.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/squarefiles003_zps695e6fcd.jpg)


2 on right

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/squarefiles002_zpsdf7330e2.jpg)



Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: 660magnum on April 27, 2015, 12:27:50 pm
If you buy a new Atop it doesn't come with all those extra diameter rollers anymore.
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: aclarke on April 27, 2015, 03:41:28 pm
Thks guys. I've modified a few of the Stihl FG guides to do race chains and they work fairly well. Been interested in trying out the the ATOP for a while, wasn't sure if a "normal" chisel file would work or if it used a proprietary file.  Does Goran sell em direct?
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: 660magnum on April 27, 2015, 03:58:22 pm
Bailey's is the USA outlet
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 27, 2015, 04:27:21 pm
Thks guys. I've modified a few of the Stihl FG guides to do race chains and they work fairly well. Been interested in trying out the the ATOP for a while, wasn't sure if a "normal" chisel file would work or if it used a proprietary file.  Does Goran sell em direct?

He is a member here and I can get you email if needed. ;) 

Hmmmm maybe he wasnt a member back in 2011, either that I dont remember user name.

Still have email.
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 27, 2015, 04:33:32 pm
I remember him saying he had sold rights in USA to Baileys for the square version.   Cutters Choice had them to the goofy version that came out before square.

I ran both chains done by Goran and I didnt care for the goofy version myself.
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: aclarke on April 27, 2015, 06:20:09 pm
I'd like the square. I'll try Baileys, don't want to trouble Goran for a single unit, especially if.its made in Europe.
Title: where can I find info on ATOP Racing Cut/Sharpening tool clearing saw blade?
Post by: Miller-Thinner2 on August 23, 2015, 02:52:27 pm
Id like to find out some info on that guide. like where to buy and how well it works. I use a guide to file my blade but its a round file guide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB4FEsg-hac
Title: Re: where can I find info on ATOP Racing Cut/Sharpening tool clearing saw blade?
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 23, 2015, 03:41:29 pm
Just watched the video. Dont have a clue what that was. 

Looks like for circular saw blades.  Just contact Goran from ATOP.
Title: Re: where can I find info on ATOP Racing Cut/Sharpening tool clearing saw blade?
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 23, 2015, 03:43:37 pm
I thought you were asking about this and jumped the gun.



http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chain/atop/msg504/#msg504

http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chain/atop-filing-guide/msg57431/#msg57431

http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/dolmar/dolmar-7900-atop-square-chain-test/msg17943/#msg17943

http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chain/square-chain/msg25844/#msg25844



I pulled my ATOP square filing guide off the shelf today for some pics.  I found the manual etc too. 

(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af137/chainsawrepair/guideschains/atopsquareguide002_zps3c6059e4.jpg) (http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/chainsawrepair/media/guideschains/atopsquareguide002_zps3c6059e4.jpg.html)
(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af137/chainsawrepair/guideschains/atopsquareguide003_zpsc7253c30.jpg) (http://s1001.photobucket.com/user/chainsawrepair/media/guideschains/atopsquareguide003_zpsc7253c30.jpg.html)
Title: Re: where can I find info on ATOP Racing Cut/Sharpening tool clearing saw blade?
Post by: Miller-Thinner2 on August 23, 2015, 05:46:03 pm
Just watched the video. Dont have a clue what that was. 

Looks like for circular saw blades.  Just contact Goran from ATOP.


Its a blade off a thinning saw/spacing saw How do I contact Goran?
Title: Re: where can I find info on ATOP Racing Cut/Sharpening tool clearing saw blade?
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 23, 2015, 06:49:49 pm
Just watched the video. Dont have a clue what that was. 

Looks like for circular saw blades.  Just contact Goran from ATOP.


Its a blade off a thinning saw/spacing saw How do I contact Goran?


 @Göran Carlström

You can email or PM him from here.  Göran Carlström http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=136
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Miller-Thinner2 on September 23, 2015, 06:50:28 pm
I bought an ATOP guide and in the description on Baileys website it said

Support Rollers: ATOP Racing cut rollers designed for faster cutting performance also available separately - Item #ATOP 514 05 01 -

I ordered that also and the rollers are the same size as what comes on the guide or did they send wrong rollers?

https://www.baileysonline.com/Chainsaw-Chain/Files-Filing-Accessories/Chain-Filing-Guides/Atop-Square-Chisel-Filing-Guides/ATOP-Square-Filing-Guide-Files-not-included.axd
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 23, 2015, 07:09:22 pm
I got my stuff straight from Goran in Sweden. Have no clue what baileys is selling you.
Title: Re: Atop filing guide
Post by: Miller-Thinner2 on September 23, 2015, 07:35:34 pm
I got my stuff straight from Goran in Sweden. Have no clue what baileys is selling you.

They way I read the description the rollers was suppose to be different. Maybe im wrong
Title: Re: ATOP
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 02, 2019, 01:20:34 pm
Found a old video today. 2012 10x10 with Jay testing the chain build off chains on a stock 3120 with 9T and unlimited coil.

I was my atop chain I sent in. Nothing special

average time for 3 cuts.
Chain A 2.47 2.28 2.40 average 2.38
Chain B 2.50 2.57 2.31 2.48
Chain C 2.94 2.65 2.56 2.71
Chain D 2.53 2.54 2.35 2.47
Chain E 3.03 2.50 2.65 2.72
Chain F 2.72 2.66 2.91 2.76
Chain G 2.71 2.63 2.40 2.58
Chain H 2.75 3.06 2.81 2.87
Chain I 2.66 2.59 2.47 2.57

Mike A, Ron D, Al C, Joey or Jody F G, Kevin me I . Some didnt want their name out there.

https://youtu.be/ATMUy5sqXN8
Title: Re: ATOP Square Filing Guide
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 02, 2021, 08:01:24 am
Found pics  of the other 2 rollers not included in baileys kit they sold  in another thread.


Mine come straight from Goran.

Title: Re: ATOP Square Filing Guide
Post by: Philbert on February 02, 2021, 05:32:56 pm
I received a used one from a member on another site to try for a while.  It will take me some time to really experiment with it: just starting to collect some information, files, chains, etc. The stuff you posted in earlier threads is really helpful.  Thanks.

The rollers that came with mine are approximately 3/8" (9.5mm) in diameter.  I was hoping that I could find a perfectly sized soda straw to slip over it, as a wear surface, but looks like I may have to buy a Slurpee to get one big enough.  Otherwise, i may try heat-shrink tubing, or just tape, to adjust the roller diameter, and the resultant angles.


Philbert