Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Husqvarna => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on May 05, 2011, 02:31:36 pm
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Anyone have any info on this 365 X-Torque my dealer was telling me about? 372 XT strato with maybe a smaller bore like before?
Wasnt there to hear about this one, was checking on the others that are suppose to be coming out. (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/smiles/impatient2.gif)
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From what Bob in Ny said it's the same bore/stroke as the 372. It's supposed to be detuned with port timing. Might be real interesting.
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From what Bob in Ny said it's the same bore/stroke as the 372. It's supposed to be detuned with port timing. Might be real interesting.
Yep, 3.6 kW vs. 4.1, according to specs.
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Was at a different husky dealer today and he hasnt heard or seen anything on the 365 XT.
He was still waiting on the 555 ?, 562xp and T540.
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They are available to any dealer that wants to order them. I have 9 or 10 in stock right now.
I find it amusing that a dealer wouldn't know anything about them. Some dealers may not know their way around the retailer site. Combine that with a rep that isn't doing his job and I suppose you end up with a dealer who's in the dark on new models.
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I have 9 or 10 in stock right now.
I for one am a fan of the old 365 special 65cc. The closed port ones. I really think they will be the 4 cube alky race saw of the future. ;)
Have you compared a 365 X-Torque to a 365 SP?
Is the365XT version really a detuned 372XT with same bore and stroke?
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The new 365XT does indeed outcut the original. The extra CC's are certainly part of the reason. You are correct about the 365 being a detuned version of the 372. The basic concept is the same: two models with different power and prices on the same chassis. But they took a different approach this time. As to what they actually did, I can't be the guy who spills the beans on this one. But it's only a matter of time before someone in the enthusiast community tears them both down and figures it out. ;)
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Maybe the age old clog up the intake trick?
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But it's only a matter of time before someone in the enthusiast community tears them both down and figures it out. ;)
If it is a port timing thing that is easily fixed by a little grinding.
Pretty wild buy a 365xt and grind a little to have a saw that will out cut a 372xt stock for how much cheaper?
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Well seeing XP beside the 365 X-TORQ caught me off guard. Right there on husky usa website 365xp.
So has anyone ran a new 365xp 70.7cc to compare to it big brother 372 x-torq 70.7cc?
http://www.husqvarna.com/us/homeowner/products/chainsaws/365-xp/
Specifications for 365 XP
Engine specification Cylinder displacement 70.7 cc
Idling speed 2700 rpm
Cylinder bore 1.97 inch
Cylinder stroke 1.42 inch
Chain pitch 3/8"
Recommended bar length, min-max 15"-28"
Chain speed at max power 67.9 fts
Weight (excl. cutting equipment) 14.1 lbs
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The 365XT is nothing more than a slightly detuned 372. They are identical except for a "porting" difference. And no, I ain't tellin! ;D
I can't believe that no one on any of these saw sites has discovered the secret I'm referring to here. Anybody who takes them both apart will see it right away.
I'll give ya a hint: NASCAR
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IPL,s? I couldn't find @ Husky US.
Shep
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Can you say "restrictor plate" ? ;)
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You got it!. 8)
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IPL,s? I couldn't find @ Husky US.
Shep
Right there on huskys US site.
365 xt IPL http://www.husqvarna.com/ddoc/HUSI/HUSI2011_AAaa/HUSI2011_AAaa__24.pdf
365 x-torq IPL dont know if this one was different or not. http://www.husqvarna.com/ddoc/HUSI/HUSI2011_AAaa/HUSI2011_AAaa__24%20.pdf
372 x-torq IPL http://www.husqvarna.com/ddoc/HUSI/HUSI2010_AAaa/HUSI2010_AAaa_30_.pdf
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It's not on the IPL. :P
This is getting fun!
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It's not on the IPL. :P
This is getting fun!
So, it is as simple as removing this plate and you have a 372?
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That's pretty much it.
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Has anyone checked the port timing of both 365xt 372xt cylinders to see if they were the same?
spike are you allowed to show us this plate in a pic?
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I've tried to compare part numbers between the two IPL's and the only difference I can see is the part number of the complete P&C.
Yet the pistons have the same number. Therefore the only difference is in the cylinder itself and the decal on the starter?
So we are looking at intake ports on the cylinder?
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Port timing and compression are the same for both saws. BTW, the new saws have more compression than the originals did.
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The part numbers of the carbs and intake boot parts as well as the ignition module are also the same.
Lets see some pictures of the port sizes etc? Didn't happen without pictures?
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The actual cylinder castings are identical.
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What is the retail price listed on the 365x-torq setting on the shelf compared to the 372xt? Still no 365xt here.
List on the 372x-torq here on the shelf $829 and cant remember which bar length.
Both dealers did get the 555 now. One got a dozen 555 a few weeks ago (probably split between his 2 locations 8) ) and the other one that seems to cater to homeowners in town 20mins away got 1.
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One of our local dealers finally got the Husky 555 in. No sign of the 562XP yet.
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:o Wow the 365x-torq is retail $200 less then the 372x-torq to start with. $6something to $8something. Was told could buy the 70.7cc 365XP x-torq for $550 before tax. Man if I only needed a saw. Sure wish I could have demoed one.
Anyone run the de-tuned 365xt to compare to 372?
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The 365XT easily runs better than the old 365. Same way the new 372XT clearly outcuts the original. So, what we end up with is the 365XT falling somewhere between the two older models performance wise. Not a surprise really, keeping in mind they are all 71cc saws.
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Any videos of them making cuts stock?
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Seems like a nice saw, especially at that price. Why doesn't it show up on the Husky USA product selector web page?
(I don't see the 555 up there either, though the 562XP finally showed up.)
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The selector page USA is where I got the specs on the 365XP XT.
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I'm still not seeing it. I went to http://www.husqvarna.com/us, then clicked on "pro Forestry", then "XP Saws". The saws are listed in order of displacement. I see a 357XP, then a 562, then a 372. No 365 to be seen. (In fact, the only "XP T" saw I see listed is the 338). The pro section also has a link for "powerful robust saws" (i.e. non-XP saws with pro-type construction). It's not in there either.
Are you using some other US link?
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http://www.husqvarna.com/us/homeowner/products/chainsaws/365-xp/#specifications
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Thanks. Strange that it shows up in the "homeowner" section, but not in the pro section. I had checked the pro section and the landowner section. It never occurred to me to check the homeowner section. I might have even missed it there, since it's posted out of order (after the biggest XP saws, rather than in the middle of the lineup)
So what is it that makes this an XT as opposed to an XP?
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If I followed this thread correctly, the list on the 365XT is around $600+ (less than the 357XP or the 562XP), but it's the same saw as a 372 ($840 list) once you remove the restrictor plate? How tough can that be?
I'm not really in the market for a saw in this size range, but that's got me thinking...
John
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So what is it that makes this an XT as opposed to an XP?
XT= Strato
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I'm pretty darn excited about this saw. Could be my first new saw!! :)
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just got one of these where is the restrictor plate . is it between filter and carb or after carb. pictures would be a big help
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Hi guys, Billy if your going to remove the restrictor yourself, why not just pull the whole deal off the cylinder and post up what you find.
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I'm curious to see what come up with, Billy. I wonder if you'll need some sort of spacer to take the place of the restrictor plate to keep the spacing the same so things line up (or maybe just drill the plate out?)
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took saw apart found a baffle in intake elbow between filter and carb and a divider in intake manifold that splits into 3 sections between carb and cylinder which do i remove as i do not have a 372 to compare to
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Can you take pics? We would love to see..... And maybe help out? ;D
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I have no clue what the restrictor looks like in the 365xp xt. Here is a pic of the divider in the 372xp xt. So whatever dont look like this might be the restrictor? PICS?
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looks the same as my saw
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looks the same as my saw
So what is the restrictor you are talking about in your 365 XT? The pics I just showed above was 372 XT
Spike could you show us 365 xt restrictor plate?
Maybe it is this thing and it is smaller???????
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I think it's in the transfer covers. I haven't gotten a hold of one yet to see myself. I've been too busy and not enough saw money to go around since I started having interest in the older big cube saws.
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used the saw today to cut red oak handles big wood much better than my 455 rancher you can really tell the diference in power it does not boug down like the 455 will in 20 plus inch wood really happy with my purchase
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Glad to hear you like it! 8) Wish you had something else to compare it to than a 455 though.
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I just bought the 71cc 365xp x-torq yesterday. Saw rips and is incredibly easy to start. Feels like a half pull every time, I can compare it to my MS360 and 044 and it is a much better saw. Way less vibrations, i never received any fatigue from it and mine has the 28" bar. Very powerful but there is a slight difference performance wise between the 372 xp/w that i have worked with vs. the 365xp. Easy on gas too!
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take it apart and see what the restrictor plate is previous owner must have removed mine or I am missing it
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take it apart and see what the restrictor plate is previous owner must have removed mine or I am missing it
Your new 365xp X-torq had a previous owner? What is the build date. Does your 365 have removable transfers? Pics of your saw?
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The difference is the transfer covers on the 365 X-Torq?
They have a different part number from the ones on the 372XT but are not available separately.
It is said that you can see the difference through the spark plug holes.
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The difference is the transfer covers on the 365 X-Torq?
They have a different part number from the ones on the 372XT but are not available separately.
It is said that you can see the difference through the spark plug holes.
You must have read the same thing I just read below.
Both the 365 and 372 have the same cylinder. They both have the same Husky part# stamped onto the cylinder on the flywheel side 5219301. The difference is the port covers on the side. There is a baffle in the 365 cover where as the 372 port is totally open. I haven't taken one of the 365 port covers off but you can see it through the plug hole and the casting # for the port covers are different. Hope this eliminates some confusion.
True or not? Somebody got a 365xt 372xt to check?
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I compared both IPL's and the only different top end part number is the piston/Cylinder assembly.
And within that assembly, the pistons do have the same part number.
Then I read elsewhere what you posted
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The Torx screws that retain the transfer covers have the bumps in their center to keep you from removing the screws.
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yes man bought it to clean yard after the huricane in september and said it was tomuch work so sold saw and a bunch of other tools he bought to clean up. I see what I need to remove now to get to the restricter plates. Am told I must remove the cylinder to acess the side plat screws. Not sure if I want to try this as Ihave never pulled a saw apart any special tools needed to reassemble
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You will need the special Torx wrench that you can get from McMaster-Carr to actually get the transfer plates off the cylinder.
You can remove the muffler and the spark plug and peak inside the cylinder with the piston at bottom dead center from one direction with a light in the other hole to have a look-see?
It might not prove a whole lot until we have a corresponding inspection of a 372XT?
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A T-27 Tamper Proof Torx L-key is like $3.06 + shipping
http://www.mcmaster.com/#tamper-resistant-torx-wrenches/=fkctn4
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have looked in plug hole and there is a baffle in the center of the openings of the transfer ports on my 365
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if i remove these will the carb need to be tuned any for the extra airflow
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372 XT
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if i remove these will the carb need to be tuned any for the extra airflow
Most likely
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anyone have pics of the 365 apart
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anyone have pics of the 365 apart
We have been waiting on you since you said you got one. ;) ;D ;D ;D
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have never pulled a saw apart not sure if I want to take a 650.00 saw apart to experiment with
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Got to get your feet wet sometime. :D
$650 might sound like a lot to you but it is a drop in the bucket when you start tearing down and fixing 1.5K to 3K racesaws.
Heck just having a 372 or other crankshaft stroked is close to that. ::)
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Just teasing with you billyclay. I fully understand. Send me the saw LOL.
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You should be able to get a tamper resistant t27 at an auto parts store, their using more and more of them on cars.
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took it apart you can see the restricter on the transfer cover in pic 4 the plate is in on top off on bottom
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3
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4 top one is in bottom is out you can see how it divides the flow
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5 plate is in can see divider
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6 plate is in
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7 plate is out
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8 so is this what i need to remove off the cover the center raised portion
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For some reason, I can't open any of those thumbnail pictures to get closer look. My system seems to think they are all files named "index.php", rather than the filenames shown in the post.
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after grinding pic saw is back to gather and runing had to ajust carb for more fuel both settings made a few cuts it may be a little stronger my cover screws were a t 20
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I cant figure out what you have done with your pics when you embedded them (they are suppose to be thumbnails that get bigger when clicked on). Your pics wont. ???
Do you have a photobucket free account to upload and post the IMG coded pics with.
T20 Husky ;) T27 = Stihl
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no i do not
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Could you email me pics and I'll try to do something with them. I can make diddle out. :'( :'( :'(
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I'm going to remove your pics you posted here. I copied them and tried to fix but you have really done something wrong with them on your end. :-\ :'(
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emailed pics to you
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Sorry for being a PITA, butttttttt Your pics are so small when you resized them to start with that you emailed to me. Do you have original pics to send BEFORE you resized them?
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no i delete memory card right after i download pics never had this problem before it kept telling me the file was to large and that is what I ended up with to post on here 5% of normal size
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People from other site telling me in PM's here same problem with them being posted over there. Dang shame you went through all of that and no pics to share where anyone can see them. :'(
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Just got 3 huge pics from you. 2 are blurred beyond use, but 1 I might be able to fix and get to post restrictor part of transfers.
Thanks for retrying to send bigger pics and your time doing all of this so we can see and learn billyclay. :)
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Your pics are taken in 480 and they need to be redone to 72 for posting size on websites.
Best I can do with the 365 x-torq transfer pic. Rest were way to blurry to work with. Thanks.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/262alky/xt365-Copy.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/262alky/xt365-Copy2.jpg)
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billyclay, Does the transfer area in the 365 XT cylinder look the same as the 372 XT pics I posted?
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ya it looks the same
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OK, the secret's out. 8)
Grind that divider away, and ya got yourself a 372XT. (and an extra $150 in your pocket)
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So Billy. Did you remove the divider yet?
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This is my next saw, I've already put money down on it. What type of gasket it used on these covers? Are the gaskets reuseable?
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Ri
This is my next saw, I've already put money down on it. What type of gasket it used on these covers? Are the gaskets reuseable?
Rubber O ring. Yes they can be used again.
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So doing this to my 365 xtorq. When I find a place to do the work cheap. I need the saw for work. Lol.
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Just need to ditch the fiber filter and find a small performance muffler that will work with it.
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Well I finally got my 356XT and here is a picture of it before it has even seen any wood. The picture also includes my 395 that has only seen two tanks of mix so far...
<a href="http://s493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/?action=view&current=002.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/002.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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Well I finally got my 356XT and here is a picture of it before it has even seen any wood. The picture also includes my 395 that has only seen two tanks of mix so far...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/004.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/003.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/001.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/002.jpg)
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Thanks for posting them. I don't know why they did'nt post without a link when I tried.
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Thanks for posting them. I don't know why they did'nt post without a link when I tried.
Use IMG code, usually bottom choice and just copy and paste.
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Thanks for posting them. I don't know why they did'nt post without a link when I tried.
Use IMG code, usually bottom choice and just copy and paste.
[/quote Thanks for posting them. I don't know why they did'nt post without a link when I tried.
Thanks
Use IMG code, usually bottom choice and just copy and paste.
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Thanks for the info.
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Well I have the cylinder off of the 365xt and one of the port covers. Just ran in to check the info out and compare pics before I make a 372XT...I'll post later tonight, I've got some grinding to do lol...
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I got a rebuilt 372xp 70.7cc stock with stock muffler with new rings and less then a tank through it I would like to compare to someday.
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Here is a picture of the cylinder before...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/002-1.jpg)
Cylinder after if I did this right lol...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/014.jpg)
One done and the other not...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/007-1.jpg)
Hope they show up.
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One of the culprits...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/ms460woodchuck/015.jpg)
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HEY THEY ALL SHOWED UP!!! ;D Sorry for the blurred picture of the cylinder after, they camera would'nt focus too well for some reason... ???
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I got a rebuilt 372xp 70.7cc stock with stock muffler with new rings and less then a tank through it I would like to compare to someday.
I would like to do the same. I have no experience with a older version 372. One thing I can say about this saw is that it has a little bit of an erratic idle. It had it before I touched it and it still does. I had a husky 435 that kinda acted the same way...I'm wondering if it is a husky strato saw thing... ???
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I got a rebuilt 372xp 70.7cc stock with stock muffler with new rings and less then a tank through it I would like to compare to someday.
I stuck this one in a big silver maple yesterday for a couple cuts. It ran real well I thought. We also had a couple 60cc Poulans and and a Dolmar 7900 out there.
I couldn't tell much difference between the 372XP and the Dolmar 7900 but the 372 only had a 20" bar and the Dolmar had a 24" bar. The log was close to 30"
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I have ran a couple 7900's and although the power is good they just are not for me...the feel of it just don't fit me.
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Mitch made a good comparison video converting the 365 XT to 372 XT then with a little port work.
Also noticed on the husky site they dropped the XP on the 365 like they had in the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vdn_VzDYTY
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The coils on these saws can cause an erratic idle problem. The ignition advance is supposed to kick in at about the same RPM as clutch engagement. In some cases it seems that the advance can come in a little sooner. Combine that with a static idle adjustment that's a little too high, and the idle surges up and down and drives you nuts. It has nothing to do with the mixture screws, and messing with them just adds to the confusion.
I was cutting with a buddy on Saturday and his new 365/372 was doing this exact thing. The idle was only at 3400 and the coil was wigging out with the advance coming and going. Turned it down to 2800-2900 and the idle smoothed right out.
Also, the old unlimted coil can be used in these new XT saws regardless of which coil/carb combo they came with.
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3400 RPM didn't have his chain spinning at idle?
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The coils on these saws can cause an erratic idle problem. The ignition advance is supposed to kick in at about the same RPM as clutch engagement. In some cases it seems that the advance can come in a little sooner. Combine that with a static idle adjustment that's a little too high, and the idle surges up and down and drives you nuts. It has nothing to do with the mixture screws, and messing with them just adds to the confusion.
I was cutting with a buddy on Saturday and his new 365/372 was doing this exact thing. The idle was only at 3400 and the coil was wigging out with the advance coming and going. Turned it down to 2800-2900 and the idle smoothed right out.
Also, the old unlimted coil can be used in these new XT saws regardless of which coil/carb combo they came with.
First two cuts in video are with OE coil. Last is unlimited. They do act funny from time to time.
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I purchased a 365xt in November and have been very impressed with the saw. I also have a 372xp. I would like to know if I could put the xtorque cylindar and piston on the 372 or if the crank shaft also needs to be changed. I realize the plastic cover would have to be changed to accomadate the taller cylinder.
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I purchased a 365xt in November and have been very impressed with the saw. I also have a 372xp. I would like to know if I could put the xtorque cylindar and piston on the 372 or if the crank shaft also needs to be changed. I realize the plastic cover would have to be changed to accomadate the taller cylinder.
P&C will bolt right up but you will need the XT intake and possibly the carb...depending on how you want it set up.
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Ok I did a 365 xt today and I donot know why people donot like these saws , this thing is a down right animal in the wood , it has no pop up, no flywheel work, no carb work and pulls a very hard 12,600 rpms in the wood and I cut hard maple to test times with , it has way more torque than the older 372's have period , if I back off just a touch on pushing its on the limiter at 13,500 , I put videos up on youtube and this saw is going to be used by a timber faller every day 6 or so days a week , its not build to be a cookie cutter but I know alot of cookie cutters will not like this saw
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here is the 365 xt , Man I'm pushing very hard on her and she likes it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PrR6NtlFrc&list=UUU6spuQiscFB7QpsHWOjnsQ&index=2&feature=plcp
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Looks and sounds great.
Todays best bargain in a 71cc saw IMO . Under $600 new here with b+c.
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Looks and sounds great.
Todays best bargain in a 71cc saw IMO . Under $600 new here with b+c.
My thoughts exactly. Like the low top too
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Getem now. July 1st you are going to see a $110 price increase on the 365xt. :o
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Getem now. July 1st you are going to see a $110 price increase on the 365xt. :o
Should have seen that coming
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Crud... And I was gonna get one this fall... >:(
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Crud... And I was gonna get one this fall... >:(
Spike says $80 raise in price. The NE dealer said $110. Grab one now is all I can say. ;D
Welcome Hedge ;)
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::) ::) ::)
"Hello Husqvarna Dealers,
e-mail from Charlotte Headquarters. Husqvarna has chosen not to have a price increase on July 1. However we will have one in the near future. For those who placed orders to beat the increase I appreciate your proactiveness and your efforts to increase your margins. Your efforts will not be in vain as, again, we will surely have a price increase in the future. All dealers will receive a letter from Charlotte tomorrow morning regarding the postponement of the price increase.
Happy Selling"
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Gee, did someone need to clear out a little excess inventory ahead of a summer plant shut-down? (Sorry, the cynic in me is showing... I do think Husqvarna is a great company on the whole.)
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New guy here.
Just got a 365 last week $634.95 24"--the dealer said the next orders they get had the price increase, around $100. I've been running 372's since they were 371's. First plain 372 then the 75cc xpw models. First impressions of the 365 with the hd 372 air filter and 8 tooth sprocket 24" bar , Oregon 72jgx(round chisel,skip tooth), with only about 10 hours on the saw are: it uses less gas(about 10-15%--at best calculations), is about equal to the plain 372xp in power, but increase in torque. The saw is used in commercial firewood cutting, lots of limbing with wood from 4" to 24", average tree is 10"dbh. The 365 isn't a 75cc 372xpw, but I think after the transfer cover mods it could be equal to the xpw.
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Are you planning on opening the transfer covers up any time soon on 365XT to make it a 372XT and then still run it stock to get more feedback?
Thanks for sharing
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I hope to open the transfer covers soon. But there's a good possibility I won't find time till winter.
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Husky 365 XT is up to $660 OTD now.
Dont know if this was ever posted here by Mweba. Some good info shared by him.
Converting a Husqvarna 365 x torq into a 372 x torq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vdn_VzDYTY
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