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Title: Two questions....why?
Post by: SDB777 on January 26, 2014, 09:31:16 pm
It's something that has been 'haunting me'....
Everywhere I go to watch video on saw performance(or whatever) I see guys holding a chainsaw at WOT, and then....BAM!  Slamming the bar/chain into a piece of timber and cutting a super cookie....about 1 to 2 inches thickness!

What is the point of banging a bar/chain at WOT into timber?
What kind of wood stove does a fella need to own that will only accept a 1 or 2 inch thick cookie?


Won't even go into 'noodling' just to make a pile of 'string'................






Scott (now if I owned stock in bars...go for it) B
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: HolmenTree on January 26, 2014, 10:58:21 pm
Well hobby sawyer,
When you cut a number of cookies fast enough by the stop watch you can win yourself a brand new chainsaw or a handful of cash .

When you can't split a big ole knarly piece of oak round with your wood splitter, then you take your saw and noodle that puppy up into quarters.
 :D
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: neil on January 27, 2014, 06:32:07 am
Well hobby sawyer,
When you cut a number of cookies fast enough by the stop watch you can win yourself a brand new chainsaw or a handful of cash .

When you can't split a big ole knarly piece of oak round with your wood splitter, then you take your saw and noodle that puppy up into quarters.
 :D

Well said Mate.
We out here in Oz who compete all year round take those little slice's or cookie's very serious,,,,, why, simply to be the best or at least the best we can be.
As holmen tree said, cash, trophy's and nice prizes can be won but also, we strive to be no 1 in our state and country.

personally I train to cut faster and neater than the rest, then when the best come together winning is not so simple, so we train harder thus improving our skills, trouble is so does everybody else.

oh and yes, we can cut fire wood good too.
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: HolmenTree on January 27, 2014, 11:57:14 am
Well said Neil
I will add that chainsaw competitions bring the community together where everyone can celebrate and good fun for the whole family. I had 18 year old girls who never ran a chainsaw before who took 1st place in the womens speed event and took home a new Husqvarna chainsaw, now if that doesn't draw a strong attraction to this sport I don't know what can.
Speaking of wood cookies, those things make darn good firewood. They can dry from green in just a few weeks and when stacked upon each other in the wood stove they will produce heat much longer then split round stuff. ;)

Willard.
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: Philbert on January 27, 2014, 12:18:31 pm
As above.

Competition aside, you ALWAYS want your chain running at full speed before touching wood. Slow chain speeds increase the risk of kickback (and related: push-back, pull-in)  problems, or having the wood move on you.

Cutting 'cookies' is just a way to test performance without going through lots of logs.  As noted, I burn all of my 'cookies'.

And 'noodling' is a great way to reduce large round sections for easier handling, as well as for cutting up crotch sections that are difficult to split.  I have a neighbor who takes all of the 'noodles' for mulch.

So, lots of practical reasons.  Then there is the other stuff that is done just for fun.

Philbert
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 27, 2014, 01:09:47 pm
Just goofing off and practicing change overs with stock 3120 9T back in the day. Boy they make a nice bonfire when all loaded up in the 10 foot pit.  ;D

http://youtu.be/26MwquYFUS8
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: SDB777 on January 28, 2014, 07:21:46 am
I wasn't referencing competitions. I completely understand the need to conserve the amount of timber during that type of event. You could easily find 5,000 videos on YouTube of fellas cutting 1" cookies-I serious doubt more then 1% have even been in competition....

So just to understand....banging bar/chain is good for the bar. It will cause no damage whatsoever....awesome.



I can see how 'defending' a subject that you need to dissect a subject and only use the bits and pieces of a question to do it, but the subject matter of competitions was never mentioned in the questions.


Scott (make slabs, not noodles) B
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: HolmenTree on January 28, 2014, 10:54:27 am
I wasn't referencing competitions. I completely understand the need to conserve the amount of timber during that type of event. You could easily find 5,000 videos on YouTube of fellas cutting 1" cookies-I serious doubt more then 1% have even been in competition....

So just to understand....banging bar/chain is good for the bar. It will cause no damage whatsoever....awesome.



I can see how 'defending' a subject that you need to dissect a subject and only use the bits and pieces of a question to do it, but the subject matter of competitions was never mentioned in the questions.


Scott (make slabs, not noodles) B
These cookie cutting videos relate to a trend today called a GTG [get together] where people interested in chainsaws do meet and have actual competitions. Your 1% estimate is a little off.
A lot of these videos also compare the difference in chainsaw modifications from factory stock form as a lot of the posters are in the business offering chainsaw mods to the public. Just like the auto industry research and development can't be fully attained without racing and high performance modifications. Stihl and Husqvarna fully support timber sports.

No the b/c is not "banged" into the wood, at WOT [wide open throttle] the chain is already cutting a kerf before the down pressure is even fully applied. Now I can see "banging " would happen if the operator has a rocked out dull chain, then there would be a negative effect on the b/c.

Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: Cut4fun on January 28, 2014, 01:50:47 pm
For me now days 2011 to date.  I have a limited supply of wood on hand before I have to find a load to bring back in. 
 So after rebuilds, test and tune using cookie method. Sharpen chains, I sometimes test. Guy comes to buy a saw and wants to test several out.  Testing new saws or possible trade in's etc.  All reason for the cookies.
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: Al Smith on January 29, 2014, 04:53:50 am
I suppose you could cut into firewood lengths rather than cookies. Cookies aren't a waste, they burn great .My use for this type stuff is to tune a saw .

Tuning by ear gets them close but to super tune one it has to be in some wood .
Title: Re: Two questions....why?
Post by: neil on January 29, 2014, 05:51:39 am
I wasn't referencing competitions. I completely understand the need to conserve the amount of timber during that type of event. You could easily find 5,000 videos on YouTube of fellas cutting 1" cookies-I serious doubt more then 1% have even been in competition....

So just to understand....banging bar/chain is good for the bar. It will cause no damage whatsoever....awesome.



I can see how 'defending' a subject that you need to dissect a subject and only use the bits and pieces of a question to do it, but the subject matter of competitions was never mentioned in the questions.


Scott (make slabs, not noodles) B


Just to be clear, your 1st posts wording on this subject made me think you were referring to competition, and my response was simply answered as I saw it. If not my apologies.

I hope I register in that 1% of real competitor's, seriously but world wide, the number would be huge.