Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Solo => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on July 25, 2014, 12:53:28 pm
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So which saw will be the fastest in the cut 12x12 with same chain on all saws?
Been working with Dex and 660mag on setting up a 65cc testing in Dex's left over 12x12 cant. solo 665 - dolmar makita 6400 6401 - husky 365 special - poulan 415 - echo 6700 for comparison.
I got the 415 closed port, 6700 never had cylinder off but thinking closed port, 660mag has a like new still 365 sp closed port. Dex has the 665 closed port and 6401 open port.
The solo poulan and husky I know still have stock mufflers. The 6700 has been open alittle on the oem side where it exits.
So which saw and config do you think will be the fastest in a 12x12 timed cuts?
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PHO dry weights so all even playing field.
(http://photo.blsnelling.com/Chainsaws/Solo-681/i-6srXJvz/0/M/IMG_4218-M.jpg)
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2922.0;attach=5249;image)
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2 more PHO weights
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Trying to remember this right.
solo 665 has 47mm bore x 38mm stroke
dolmar makita 47mm bore x 37mm stroke
husky 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
poulan 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
echo I have no clue on bore stroke off hand or actual PHO weight. Paper specs say 13.9lb
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I hate to be bias, but I want the 665 to win 8) lol
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I'm thinking it will too. But with 7T.
Jim was going to ride up with me.
You still got the 12x12 cant?
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The red one will win. :)
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I'm going to say the saw with the longest stroke will win. But man, Kevin's 415 impressed the crap out of me...
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I have zero experience with the Echo but I hear good things about them.
I do know that Echo has been making a LOT better performing saws recently.
The Husqvarna is toast. A decent Dolmar 6400 will spank them with amazing regularity.
The Solo, being basically the same saw as the Dolmar with a longer stroke should handle the Dolmar and naturally the Husky.
I've cut with Kevin's Poulan Pro 415, and with the POSSIBLE exception of the Echo, nothing on that list will cut with it!
The others would have a much better chance against my 415 (which is a great running saw) but Kevin's 415 put mine back in the truck in short order.
Mike
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sub e dub dubbed 8)
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I've cut with Kevin's Poulan Pro 415, and with the POSSIBLE exception of the Echo, nothing on that list will cut with it!
The others would have a much better chance against my 415 (which is a great running saw) but Kevin's 415 put mine back in the truck in short order.
Mike
I dont ever recall me running your 415 Mike. But you think there is that much difference?
I put my 425 top on my 505 one time and couldnt tell any difference between 425 and my 415. But then again the 425 top is a 415 just with updates oiler stuff, bearing etc.
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I only listed the echo 6700 with a 7T for a reason. Just didnt feel it would do well with a 8T.
Now maybe the echo 680 might be updated in porting etc to make a better showing? Heck maybe a echo 670 even?
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no 562 Kevin, it would be the hands down winner, but this time it will be old school design,closed port 7 t poulan. Mufflers are way more open=10%
8x8 maybe 8t with the perfect operator but not 12x12.
Now port them all to the exact same compression.....would be a different story again
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This local boy will be there for sure !!! Im betting on the broken in Makita 6401 for secret reasons :)
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7t btw !
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No Stihl's, you need to run my 038 super in that mix.
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No Stihl's, you need to run my 038 super in that mix.
Was trying to keep it at the 4ci cut off = 65cc. Only threw the 6700 out there because it was here.
Now I thought about that stihl 036 pro 62cc I had it was a runner. But then again we are just comparing 65cc.
no 562 Kevin, it would be the hands down winner, but this time it will be old school design,closed port 7 t poulan. Mufflers are way more open=10%
8x8 maybe 8t with the perfect operator but not 12x12.
Now port them all to the exact same compression.....would be a different story again
I've ran a demo stock 562 and it wouldnt hold a candle to the 415 I run cut for cut. I just wasnt impressed with the one I ran, maybe something was wrong with it?
Ported saws comes down to who is doing the porting. Not the psi being the same.
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665 7T for me. My 665/681 WP is a beast.
Shep
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DexterDay have you got with fuzz1500 on a pick up date of the 6401 for a testing date?
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DexterDay have you got with fuzz1500 on a pick up date of the 6401 for a testing date?
I am still in the process of fixing the 6401.. Carb is giving me fits..
And to answer your question above, Yes, I still have some of the Cant leftover. ;D
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DexterDay have you got with fuzz1500 on a pick up date of the 6401 for a testing date?
I am still in the process of fixing the 6401.. Carb is giving me fits..
And to answer your question above, Yes, I still have some of the Cant leftover. ;D
carb fits as in? Is it air leaking around the carb body at throttle shaft?
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No Stihl's, you need to run my 038 super in that mix.
Was trying to keep it at the 4ci cut off = 65cc. Only threw the 6700 out there because it was here.
Now I thought about that stihl 036 pro 62cc I had it was a runner. But then again we are just comparing 65cc.
no 562 Kevin, it would be the hands down winner, but this time it will be old school design,closed port 7 t poulan. Mufflers are way more open=10%
8x8 maybe 8t with the perfect operator but not 12x12.
Now port them all to the exact same compression.....would be a different story again
I've ran a demo stock 562 and it wouldnt hold a candle to the 415 I run cut for cut. I just wasnt impressed with the one I ran, maybe something was wrong with it?
Ported saws comes down to who is doing the porting. Not the psi being the same.
Have to disagree Kevin...the internet porters are compression compression and more compression, 2pc heads and cut squish bands, blocking exhaust ports to change blowdown and timing.
Hogging out ports and transfers larger than a racesaw would need to drink a pint of 120/26 in 10 seconds.....
Will a 210PSI worksaw beat a worksaw at 170/80PSI? it should...excessive bearing and crank stresses and potential pre/detonation(boiling gas ) problems be damned.....Because I am a GTG king...HA!
We call it "just a shitty racesaw", let me block firewood with it in July at 50:1 for a month.
The secret, is to get a motor to "suck" "burn" and discard fuel in the most efficient manner with out over heating and without undue stresses on internal parts.One builder thinks 170 to 180 is max with todays fuel
A 2 stroke porter should have a temp gun in his toolbox.
As for the 562, it is the fastest 60cc saw ever made....in stock form its impressive once it has been reset, but ported, it is on the heels of a stock 390 with a 24 inch bar buried in hardwood..hows that for torque?
It has roughly 1500 tanks of fuel through it and the carb issues have been`worked out`but air leaks are a problem.
Perhaps some new gasketing and building QA is needed at the factory= $$$
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Trying to remember this right.
solo 665 has 47mm bore x 38mm stroke
dolmar makita 47mm bore x 37mm stroke
husky 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
poulan 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
echo I have no clue on bore stroke off hand or actual PHO weight. Paper specs say 13.9lb
now about stroke....yes stroke or inertia is an advantage, that's why bike motors are so efficient but they can afford to be bigger in size.Imagine carrying a bike motor around in the woods
Over the block advantage stroke....now cold start , there is a fine line between the .08 to the wood and what the motor RPM is...
090 suck for that reason...t a k e s longer too to hit the sweet spot.
An 880 or 3120 is more better
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Sure glad all I care about is stock saws now days. :D :D :D :D :D
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The solo looks good on paper, but I wonder if the tighter than tight muffler will hurt it
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Sure glad all I care about is stock saws now days. :D :D :D :D :D
at least open the muffler LOL....but I can see your point...
Kevin I`m scouring the boards looking for one of these `worksaws`and I`m going to put it on my buddies chainsaw powered Wallenstein firewood processor and I`m going to document `longevity``.
My Scottish blood is having a problem cutting the cheque though
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My 415 has a big blocked off inside baffle with small hole through it at bottom and small exhaust exit on very top. All stock still.
I couldnt imagine the 681 being any worse.
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IIRC the 665 muffler is pretty much like a 7900 just a diff. shape.
Shep
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Trying to remember this right.
solo 665 has 47mm bore x 38mm stroke
dolmar makita 47mm bore x 37mm stroke
husky 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
poulan 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
echo I have no clue on bore stroke off hand or actual PHO weight. Paper specs say 13.9lb
now about stroke....yes stroke or inertia is an advantage, that's why bike motors are so efficient but they can afford to be bigger in size.Imagine carrying a bike motor around in the woods
Over the block advantage stroke....now cold start , there is a fine line between the .08 to the wood and what the motor RPM is...
090 suck for that reason...t a k e s longer too to hit the sweet spot.
An 880 or 3120 is more better
I waited long enough. You do know the 880 084 3120 have longer stroke then 090 stock I hope. Let alone stroking the 3120 880 like they do for racing. ;)
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47,48 mm stroke 3120 gets to rpm plenty quick on cold starts!!!
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47,48 mm stroke 3120 gets to rpm plenty quick on cold starts!!!
Faster then my slowwwwww azzzzzzz could get to the wood. :o
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562 has a 36mm stroke and a 46mm bore right? Man I would like to see a 48mm bore on one with that powerhead weight.
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Working on getting Dex to run a completely stock 562 and his unbroken in completely stock 665 back to back in a fresh 12x12 cant when he gets it made up. Hoping using same rims 7T at least then who knows maybe a 8T test? Same chains etc.
Wish I could run them through the cuts too, but if I cant maybe Dex will video his testing.
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I can do those saws now. But it's an old Cant. I need to go next door after dinner and order an new one. 8)
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I can do those saws now. But it's an old Cant. I need to go next door after dinner and order an new one. 8)
Heck yeah I'm watching. Make sure both running 7T to start.
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I can do those saws now. But it's an old Cant. I need to go next door after dinner and order an new one. 8)
Heck yeah I'm watching. Make sure both running 7T to start.
I picked up the chains today from the dealer. I may test in the Cant I have now and also in the new one I buy (when you come out.. and Fuzz... and Whoever else wants to come).
We can do a mini GTG with just Cants at my place.
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Is the Makita fixed?
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Looking forward to the videos!
Shep
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Makita is not fixed yet. Fuel line and carb kit should be here tomorrow.
I ordered a new Cant Today. It was MUCH cheaper to go 10" x 10" x 10'. Because I plan on buying 2 saws in the very near future?
So can the thread title be edited? I apologize..
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Makita is not fixed yet. Fuel line and carb kit should be here tomorrow.
I ordered a new Cant Today. It was MUCH cheaper to go 10" x 10" x 10'. Because I plan on buying 2 saws in the very near future?
So can the thread title be edited? I apologize..
Edited to 10x10. Yeah no problem.
Did you do the 562 665 in the dry 12x12 cant?
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If anyone want to change their pick let me know? Testing in 10x10 now instead of 12x12 per DexterDay.
The poll shown above was for 12x12, now changed to 10x10.
Where 12x12 ended.
Solo 665 7T
5 (38.5%)
Solo 665 8T
1 (7.7%)
Dolmar 6400 Makita 6401 7T
2 (15.4%)
Dolmar 6400 Makita 6401 8T
1 (7.7%)
Husqvarna 365 SP 7T
0 (0%)
Husky 365 SP 8T
0 (0%)
Poulan pro 415 7T
1 (7.7%)
Poulan 415 8T
3 (23.1%)
Echo 6700 7T 67cc thrown in just to see how it compares
0 (0%
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Edited to say 10x10 in heading.
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Makita is not fixed yet. Fuel line and carb kit should be here tomorrow.
I ordered a new Cant Today. It was MUCH cheaper to go 10" x 10" x 10'. Because I plan on buying 2 saws in the very near future?
So can the thread title be edited? I apologize..
Edited to 10x10. Yeah no problem.
Did you do the 562 665 in the dry 12x12 cant?
No.. I have the chains. Been working a lot of O.T at work.
I will get to it soon.
I went with the 10" x 10" for 2 reasons.
They said I can possibly get it longer (like 14') and it will be lighter. Those 12" x 12" x 10' Cants were heavy.
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Soon as my son heads off to college. I am going to sink into some OT myself. So far this year I havent as I want every weekend I can spend with him golfing etc.
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Heck 10x10 x 8 cants are :-X heavy to me . I couldnt have imagined the 12x12 x 10 :o
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Grizz's saws.
I didnt time. But I wouldnt count the 1st two cuts by 562 hitting the knots.
562xp
16.3
15.6
13.8
Solo 665
13.6
13.5
13.4
http://youtu.be/mN-97C3_ufY
http://youtu.be/7zdQWyCpz_k
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JFYI the 562xp was woods ported in the video. Go stock unbroken in 665 go.
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That's bitchin!!!
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Same chain used on both owner said.
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Forgot about the solo 681 at my gtg's back then. 2008
(http://photo.blsnelling.com/Events/April-08-GTG/i-KcmkKT6/0/L/DPP_0009-L.jpg)
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The 665 is strong. Cutting faster than a ported 562 is no slouch. Maybe I should have bought one of the 665s.
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Same here! Looking forward to seeing one after porting.
Shep
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I guess there might not be a reason to run that stock 562 now in the 12x12 dry cant to compare to the other stock unbroken in 665, eh dexterday ;). It could be ugly. :D
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So, let me get this in my tiny brain, one of those stock Solo 665s I sold out ran a ported 562XP on the third run (only fair run) by 4 tenths! :P
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I know here a stock 562 can't run with a stock 365. Maybe somewhere, but not here.
We had a stock 550 and stock 562 timed in 8x8 poplar. 3 cuts.
562 7.85 secs
550 10.05 secs
ported 152 Efco, same chain as 550 7.65 secs
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Like I have said before. That demo 562xp I ran I just thought it wasnt set right or still on 1st tank or something. Was just real peaky IMO and easy to pull down in test cuts. Maybe I was just spoiled over the years with good running saws and had way to high of expectations.
Now the stock 550xp and 545 I will take over stock 346 50cc here. I ran 3/8 on all of them. 550 545 were just better IMO.
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I get alot of Husky guys in the shop to buy bars, chains,etc. Seems to be a 50/50 split on the 550. Some prefer their old 346, some the new 550. We had a stock 545 along with the 550 and 562 to run. It may have been a bad saw because it was a very poor runner. MS241 made it look bad.
Bottom line for us, 500 series Huskies have been great for our Stihl sales numbers.
Anyway my vote is for the Solo. I know how strong my 675 was.
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I guess there might not be a reason to run that stock 562 now in the 12x12 dry cant to compare to the other stock unbroken in 665, eh dexterday ;). It could be ugly. :D
I will try and get a video tomorrow after work or Sunday of my stock 665 (only 2 tanks ran through it), a stock 562xp (probably 50 tanks or so), and my ported MS 362C-M (6 tanks).
My email quit working apparently, I have since changed it to a working email. Sorry for such a long wait on a response.
If I post a video here, will it embed it automatically? Or is there a selection up top that I should put it in?
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On youtube videos just click their share and copy and paste that link here. it is all automatic after that. If it dont work right for you I will fix or someone else.
Thanks for update.
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Looking forward to it. Thanks. 665
Shep
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Dexter just ran and published videos of his stock Solo 665 against a ported 362CM. Neither saw was fully broken in yet but, there is no competing with torque. Have a look on FHC for videos and times. Not saying that there are no advantages to porting but know what you have and what gains you expect from your porting $$s.
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Hard to beat the solo/dolmar port arrangement for a torquey saw. You would be hard pressed to improve on them and keep power in the same to rpm range. When we did the 681 build off years back, all the saws ran unlimited coils and produced their power above the limited coil rpm. All three saws were faster by a very small margin only to the stock 681. For the time invested, it was a waste of time/energy for the minimal improvement....
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Adam, may I have permission to quote you on FHC?
Tim
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Solo 665 takes down another woods ported saw stihl 362 c-m. All of Dex info in the stihl thread above.
Dex times them from video. Also stated 2.5 tanks through the 665 and 5-6 through the 362. So none are broken in. But the 362 is woods ported.
MS 362C-M
1- 6.8 sec
2- 6.1 sec
3- 6.2 sec
Solo 665
1- 6.2 sec
2- 5.7 sec
3- 5.5 sec
http://youtu.be/PwMMvM_6cqc
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I know my 415 has out cut my 365 special saws in the past in testing. So it sounds like the 665 may just be the 65cc under champ stock for stock. I still think stroke will over take the bigger bore of same cc.
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Tim. Anytime...
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Thank you Adam! How about that, 665 spanks a ported 362-C-M.
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Tim didnt Dex say the broke in stock 562 with about 50 tanks through it cut in the 9-10 second range in same cant during his testing. Only thing it didnt use same chain as the other 2, but a woodsman pro.
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Not sure, I'll try to find his quote.
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Not sure, I'll try to find his quote.
I found it 9-10 seconds in same cant with stock 562.
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solo 665 is strong, but the BMEP numbers say the 6400 makes more torque per each cc.
(actually the most BMEP of any currently offered saw of any cc displacement).
in larger wood than this test, believe it should show the difference in the two.
regards
-joe
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the ms661 test results showed up on kwf, so will be updating my chart. noticed the above, during the process.
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Be cool to compare the two.
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Tim didnt Dex say the broke in stock 562 with about 50 tanks through it cut in the 9-10 second range in same cant during his testing. Only thing it didnt use same chain as the other 2, but a woodsman pro.
Yes, the 562 was just under 10 seconds, but using a brand new Woodsman Pro chain.
The 562 has had a LOT of fuel ran through it. My 362 is almost at 6 tanks and the 665 was on the start of its 3rd for that video.
665 and 562 both had 20" bars and 7 pin rims, the 362 was an 18" bar and 7 pin rim. So the bars were slightly different, but not enough to skew things one way or the other.
The 362 is a mean saw and I still love it, but this Solo is a Shocker!! I never imagined it to run this good. I will be doing some more comparisons this week if I get the chance (ported 441C-M vs Solo 655). The 441 should take the Solo, bit this will kind of give me a baseline on how far behind the 665.
I need Kevin or Tim's help here? I had my email set to my Gmail addy, and it is no longer working. So I went to change it to another email account? Still not getting any replies to the threads. I normally like to reply and stay in conversation.
Thanks.
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I need Kevin or Tim's help here? I had my email set to my Gmail addy, and it is no longer working. So I went to change it to another email account? Still not getting any replies to the threads. I normally like to reply and stay in conversation.
Thanks.
Are you clicking notify under thread you are wanting to subscribe too? Then clicking pop up OK to enable?
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Dex under your account setting you didnt have send email notification turned on. Under profile etc = Notifications
Plus
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Dex under your account setting you didnt have send email notification turned on. Under profile etc = Notifications
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Thanks Kevin!! I thought by me replying, I would get an email/update. My mistake. Not familiar with the software.
So, let me get this straight, so I am not a PITA and ask a million questions. Even if I reply to a thread, I still have to hit/submit the Notify button? Thanks bud!!
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IMO Yep.
Unless you change a setting in your account to have it automatic to any thread you reply too. You want me to check that for you if you cant find it?
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I went ahead and turned that on for you just in case. Is under notifications too.
Just checked = Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic.
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I went ahead and turned that on for you just in case. Is under notifications too.
Just checked = Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic.
Thanks 8) It's working again. I was getting them, but when I changed my email addy, I must have changed that. My Gmail quit working because my "Cloud" is full (storage). So I have been deleting stuff slowly, but have put all my Forums, on another email addy, so I don't plug up the Cloud again.
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Cloud talk is way over my head. Literally :-[ Sorry.
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Heads up Randy aka mastermind is selling his solo 665 he got off Tim. Still unfueled.
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Are you still going to the testing Kevin?
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I was waiting on dexterday and the 6400 as it was mostly his 665 6400 etc. I think he gave up fixing it and sold it now. I'm working 7 days a week now. So who knows.
I'm working on picking up a new plow and truck and no time right now for me. Getting ready for winter run.
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I wish we were closer. I'd like to test the 665 against some of your poulan herd. I'll have the 6401 at my place here soon to swap the top end for Jack. I will try to saw a cant and test the 665 and 6401.
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Damn 1 beer and I used the word NOW hundred times. Dang.
Laughing at myself on reread.
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I wish we were closer. I'd like to test the 665 against some of your poulan herd. I'll have the 6401 at my place here soon to swap the top end for Jack. I will try to saw a cant and test the 665 and 6401.
Very cool. Like to see a stock to stock
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I wish we were closer. I'd like to test the 665 against some of your poulan herd. I'll have the 6401 at my place here soon to swap the top end for Jack. I will try to saw a cant and test the 665 and 6401.
Very cool. Like to see a stock to stock
me too!
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I'll try to make it happen if there's time. I may pop a new carb on the 6401 off my saw to just get a comparison done before I swap the top end.
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The Makita had been giving me fits and I was tired of messing with it. So I sold it for the $150 I had in it. It looked decent and ran good (as long as you stayed on the trigger).
There was a nice Poulan 415 on our CL last week that I wanted to buy. So I could do some testing myself. It was a clean Minty model, but didn't last long.
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What was the asking price on the 415? I seen a 425 sell way up in the NE Ohio too. Missed a couple 475 too. But I prefer the smaller quad saws myself.
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Those quad port poulan so run real good. I need to keep on the lookout for one.
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What was the asking price on the 415? I seen a 425 sell way up in the NE Ohio too. Missed a couple 475 too. But I prefer the smaller quad saws myself.
It was $150 and Clean... Very clean...
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I ran the 665 today and a well broke in 6400. Same wood same b/c.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjbddG2L6wE&list=UUyphpSr9YxmRcLFLuGwNQBg&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWYOlD6-U4&list=UUyphpSr9YxmRcLFLuGwNQBg
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Stop watch in the barn any idea? So how did they feel in the cut to you?
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Both look good in the videos. Pulling 7's or 8's?
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How many tanks through the 665?
It was slower, but not by a lot.
Plus, the the 6400 went first ;) So the chain was sharper. :D
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7 pins. Feels real close. The 665 is still on tank 2.
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I ran the 665 today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjbddG2L6wE&list=UUyphpSr9YxmRcLFLuGwNQBg&index=1
Heads up to those looking for a solo 665 for sale. Mike is selling this one.
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Hey Kevin, if you see another 665 for sale, let me know.
Definitely sounds like a real fun saw to have.
Too many saw/wood forums for me to keep up with.
Chuck
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I put it up over there because I couldn't remember who had told me they wanted it. I offered it to a few others in Pm first.
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There was 2 here looking for 665 when they ran out before.
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Mike has it sold? That other Ohio guy contacted me today about. Besides Winland from Ohio too.
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Did Randy (MMind) sell his? Don't go on AS often he had it listed over there a while back.
Shep
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Randy still has his to my knowledge, was going to mess around putting a 7910 top end on it last I knew.
Kevin, I still have one saw, open box but never seen liquids.
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Did Randy (MMind) sell his? Don't go on AS often he had it listed over there a while back.
Shep
He wanted like $850 though.
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Kevin, I still have one saw, open box but never seen liquids.
Didnt know that. Might want to let ms460woodchuck know too. ;)
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Ms460woodchuck was on the list of people I sent a pm. There was 5 people on FHC and I couldn't keep track of all of them so I just listed it. One of those guys that was wanting one got it. I hope to go make a haul this morning on part of a pile of saws I'm going to get.