Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Stihl => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on August 17, 2014, 09:41:18 am
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Dex tested his woods ported 362 CM against his stock 665.
I finally got around to testing the 665 and my Mastermind 362C-M today. After seeing Chvymn99 results, I had to see for myself. His 665 beat a ported 562xp. Not by much. But by a little. :)
Both saws had new Stihl RS chains.. Brand new. Stihl had an 18" Sugi bar and 7 pin rim and Solo had 20" Forester bar and 7 pin rim.
The Cant has gotten considerably harder. I have a new 10" x 10" x 10' Cant that will be done soon. :)
The results? Well? See for yourself. I will post the times I got from watching the video with the stopwatch in a bit. :dex:
Steven, open that box up buddy!! These are something special! !
Mastermind MS 362C-M and a stock Solo 665:
http://youtu.be/PwMMvM_6cqc
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Dex times them from video. Also stated 2.5 tanks through the 665 and 5-6 through the 362. So none are broken in. But the 362 is woods ported.
MS 362C-M
1- 6.8 sec
2- 6.1 sec
3- 6.2 sec
Solo 665
1- 6.2 sec
2- 5.7 sec
3- 5.5 sec
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Awesome!!
The best thing about the 665 is it can be a 75cc, 79cc, 81cc or 85cc saw in a couple hours too... :)
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Does the 665 fit into the 4 cube class?
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Does the 665 fit into the 4 cube class?
IMO if measured it will be just a hair over legal. I posted the cc some where. Let me look.
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Does the 665 fit into the 4 cube class?
IMO if measured it will be just a hair over legal. I posted the cc some where. Let me look.
Finally found it.
Make sure legal with just being over the 4ci by a hair
665 = 65.955
4ci = 65.548 You know how some shows can be.
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I thought that it was just a tiny bit over.
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OH YEH!! 665was my bet! Just think how it will run with the right man grinding on it a little.
Shep
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That 362 needs another 5-10 tanks through it to loosen up.
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He said he would post the test again when both are broke in. Remember the 665 has only 2.5 tanks through it. 362 has 5-6 already.
He said the CM 362 was turning 14plus and the 665 13K out of the wood. Wonder what rpm's were showing in the cut and guessing he ran 7T on both.
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We are finding about 20-25 tanks to get the most out of new Stihl saws. That said, it should be the same for the Solo also. Beating a 562 was no surprise, beating a ported 362 is. I had 2 ported 361s that I could cut firewood with all day that would smoke that 665.
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Not trying to stir anything up at all here but here is my observation.
I am not at all surprised that the 665 could be the fastest 65cc stock saw there is. But to beat a ported saw close to the same size makes me wonder......
I have ran a friends 681 and it is truly the fastest stock 5 cube saw there is IMO. It was faster than the jred 2186 I had at the time and faster than my stock dolmar 7900 I have now. But in no way is it faster than his ported 2171`s, my ported husqvarna 372 or my ported 7900.
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Got some stock 681 gtg racing times from my gtg's and maybe others. I have a stack of them.
3 cuts in 8x8 hotstart over wood
Nate stock 681 4.72
dozerdan 375 my old saw 4.15
? 046 8.35
? 575 8.58
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another racing gtg
Bill stock 681 in 10x10 hot start over wood
PP375 4.72
EHP372 5.04
stock 681 5.97
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Thats all I can see with a stock 681 chained against ported saws chained.
There were many other folks ported saws beat by the stock 681's Just didnt list them. ;)
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Did you ever have one of those days where everything you touched turned to chit? Perhaps it was one of those days for the builder when that saw was ported.
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Did Romeo or Andy/redprospector win the build off way back when?
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Romeo (shawn), me and Dean (Washington?). Test wood was around 25" with 28" bars. All three saws were within a few tenths. Think Romeo won by a margin.
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I thought Romeo did win. Last I heard he was full into dirt bikes for his kids
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Yep, good guy and quite a character! He posted a vid years ago on Racesaws of him doing a root canal on one of his buddies with porting tools and a bottle whiskey!!!!! Lol
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I thought Romeo did win. Last I heard he was full into dirt bikes for his kids
Can you imagine the dirt bikes those kids get to ride. :o
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That 362 needs another 5-10 tanks through it to loosen up.
I will be testing it again once more fuel is ran through both of them..
This isn't a bash on the 362C-M. It is considerably stronger than it was before it left. It's more of an amazement at the power of the bone stock 665. No muff mod and I never touched the tune. It's idling right at 3K and tops at 13k. ;D
He said he would post the test again when both are broke in. Remember the 665 has only 2.5 tanks through it. 362 has 5-6 already.
He said the CM 362 was turning 14plus and the 665 13K out of the wood. Wonder what rpm's were showing in the cut and guessing he ran 7T on both.
Yes. 7T rims on both. The only difference was I ran an 18" on the Stihl and a 20" on the Solo. Both were brand new out of the box Stihl RS chains. I also ran a stock 562xp and a brand new Woodland Pro chain and it was running 9's.
Did you ever have one of those days where everything you touched turned to chit? Perhaps it was one of those days for the builder when that saw was ported.
As noted above, it runs great.. Much better than stock. I just think that the Solo is a better running saw. Some stock saws just run better than others. You can probably take 10 of these Solo's and run them all side by side and there will be a difference in the times. I like to think I just got a good one 8) 8)
And thanks for the thread Kevin. I have been working and going like gang busters for the last 3 weeks.
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Dexter, has Dewey run his yet?
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No problem Dex. I'm just scared my little poulan wont handle the stroked 665 either. Even though I know the poulan would own a stock 562. Ported man oh man I just dont know.
Time will tell.
solo 665 has 47mm bore x 38mm stroke
dolmar makita 47mm bore x 37mm stroke
husky 365 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
poulan 48mm bore x 36mm stroke
husky 562 46mm bore x 36mm stroke ? check me on these
stihl 362 47mm bore x 34mm stroke ? check me on these
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Dexter, has Dewey run his yet?
I think he has, but just a simple cut or two. Member KG461 on our site has ran his quite extensively. And Randy said his was a modest port (was his first). Mine and Dewey's were done at the same time, so I would venture to believe they should be very close.
I almost want to put an 8 pin on the 362 and do it again? I think that the 8 pin and the extra RPM it has, will cut quicker, by not leaning on it as much and letting the shear chain speed win. I was pushing on them a fair amount. Trying to judge torque as well. The 665 would get a 8 pin as well. Just so it was fair on all levels.
Also, next round will all be done with a 18" or 20" and the same chain. It was easier and faster to run different bars and chains that day. Labor day weekend will be my next day off (33 days straight).
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That 362 needs another 5-10 tanks through it to loosen up.
I will be testing it again once more fuel is ran through both of them..
This isn't a bash on the 362C-M. It is considerably stronger than it was before it left. It's more of an amazement at the power of the bone stock 665. No muff mod and I never touched the tune. It's idling right at 3K and tops at 13k. ;D
He said he would post the test again when both are broke in. Remember the 665 has only 2.5 tanks through it. 362 has 5-6 already.
He said the CM 362 was turning 14plus and the 665 13K out of the wood. Wonder what rpm's were showing in the cut and guessing he ran 7T on both.
Yes. 7T rims on both. The only difference was I ran an 18" on the Stihl and a 20" on the Solo. Both were brand new out of the box Stihl RS chains. I also ran a stock 562xp and a brand new Woodland Pro chain and it was running 9's.
Did you ever have one of those days where everything you touched turned to chit? Perhaps it was one of those days for the builder when that saw was ported.
As noted above, it runs great.. Much better than stock. I just think that the Solo is a better running saw. Some stock saws just run better than others. You can probably take 10 of these Solo's and run them all side by side and there will be a difference in the times. I like to think I just got a good one 8) 8)
And thanks for the thread Kevin. I have been working and going like gang busters for the last 3 weeks.
But what if that 665 is the slow one of 10? :)
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...But what if that 665 is the slow one of 10? :)
Quite possible. .
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I'm going to try and video my ported 662, stock 665 and race ported 266 this week to compare. 20" wood.
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...But what if that 665 is the slow one of 10? :)
Quite possible. .
You never know
That would be good Adam.
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Round 2 by Dex. $700+ 362CM plus 250/275 porting close to 1K against a stock $500 solo 655.
Dex = Came out about the same.. I ran more cuts with the Solo. Testing a harder "lean" on the saw and a lighter "lean". Round 2 of Solo 665 and Stihl MS 362C-M:
http://youtu.be/QF4YmkPl4ow
Dex timing
Stihl MS 362C-M
6.6
6.1
5.9
Solo
5.8
5.4
5.8
5.6
5.3
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I am just amazed that a stock solo with just 6cc more is kicking on a woods ported 59cc. :P
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I am just amazed that a stock solo with just 6cc more is kicking on a woods ported 59cc. :P
Between the fastest of the 362 and the slowest of the 665 is only 1/10th of a second. Granted the average difference is probably a 1/2 second. But that time to the average eye? You wouldn't catch it. And the 362 feels faster than the 655.
I think both are equally strong and both have Pro's and Cons.
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I'm still amazed over it whipping the WP 562.
Shep
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They're strong saws. I could see it pulling a 24" bar in that sized wood.
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This is interesting stuff. How's a 262 fit in the mix.