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Title: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 26, 2014, 05:21:41 pm
I was reading about the Oregon 511AX grinder and I see it has a sliding chain vise.  Which models use a tilting chain vise instead of the sliding.   I have a Tecomec right now and it is a fixed chain vise and I am thinking of getting one with the tilting vise.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 05:47:41 pm
The first two models of the Oregon 511AX grinders had a tilting vice. The very first had the twist handle as the difference from the 511A. The second model had the little spring loaded rollers on the ends of the vice.

The third model had the sliding vice.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 05:55:10 pm
You should be able to purchase a tilting vice for your Tecomec?

This came with everything about the tilting vice. It would convert a Oregon 510 into a 511A. Nose around and you might be able to find the first 511AX design?

http://sharpchain.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_40&products_id=86

Edited to correct the link
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 06:04:54 pm
This should be an assembly to make a non tilting Tecomec into what is essentially a second design 511AX type grinder?

http://sharpchain.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_42&products_id=95

http://sharpchain.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_42&products_id=184
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 26, 2014, 06:17:21 pm
Ok I wll look around and see what I can come up with.   
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 26, 2014, 06:26:34 pm
How about the 510A did it have a tilting chain vise.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 06:33:54 pm
The Oregon 510A just had a swivel vice from the Tecomec factory but the 511A tilting vice will bolt right on.

I have a first design 511A with no light. After I bought it - I discovered that the threads on the retaining shank of the vice was worn out.

I ordered from this company the vice assembly in the 1st link for $123 and I thought it was just the vice and shank. When it came, it also had the bottom swivel (tilting) plate. I have been very pleased with it. They went up on the price $10 right after I bought it and recently have gone up another $10.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 06:41:37 pm
I don't know exactly how the different Tecomec models match up with the Oregon models? I'll leave that up to you.

There are some miss matches on the different ads for Tecomecs and Oregons - I don't trust everything I see. Chinese products make the pictures murky. There are people out there wanting close to a $1000 for a regular 511AX and $600 for what is a 510A so be real careful what you buy.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 26, 2014, 06:53:20 pm
So was a titling vise standard on the 511A.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 26, 2014, 07:05:13 pm
Ok I found a operating manual for a 511a and it does have the tilting vise.  Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 07:08:09 pm
Yes.  But other than the tilting functionality the vice was just like a 510a model. It had the swing arm clamp with the ball or cone on the end. Some of the balls or cones were red and some were black.

The chain sharpener at the Husqvarna dealer closest to me is a 511A with a light. The closest Dolmar dealer has a Windsor labeled grinder that is essentially a 511A.

I get the idea that the 511AX vice is cheaper to make as many parts are plastic. The 510 and 511A vices are all metal except for the knobs. Both vices will wear out with heavy commercial use. 3/8 pico and .325 NK chains are more problematic in these vices because of the smaller driver links
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 08:49:42 pm
In looking around it appears the Jolly Star (511AX) base plate for the tilting type vice part number is K00200165
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 26, 2014, 11:05:00 pm
In looking around it appears the Jolly Star (511AX) base plate for the tilting type vice part number is K00200165

I think I am going to look for a 511A.  The cam style clamping does not bother me.  I will probably shop around for something new.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on November 26, 2014, 11:34:11 pm
Take your time and carefully compare your sources and options.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 19, 2014, 07:17:10 pm
Well I found a used 511A that was in very good condition.   I received it about 2 days ago and it came with a mounting also.

Today I attached some square tubing to the side of my bench that the mount for the sharpener will slide into.

I tried sharpening one chain on it today and it works great.   I will have to get a pic tomorrow.    I am going to do another chain tomorrow.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on December 19, 2014, 09:03:52 pm
Beware of the Chinese grinding wheels . . . Their concept is not the same as the old original Oregon wheels.

Here's what I did . . .  http://www.diamondwheelinc.com/chain-saw-wheels.html
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 19, 2014, 09:20:50 pm
Yep already have put one on that was on my Tecomec.   Love those wheels, no build up, no dressing, just always keeps it's shape from cutter to cutter.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on December 19, 2014, 09:25:07 pm
As you have both grinders, essentially a 510, and a 511A - there side by side, study the differences and tell us what you see around the vice area and how it mounts?
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on December 19, 2014, 09:31:26 pm
I have a Tecomec Jolly vice on my 511A and Cut4fun didn't notice any difference. There isn't any difference except the color or shape of the knobs and that is more of a time of manufacture thingy.
Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 20, 2014, 05:15:31 pm
Ok I took a couple of pics today.   The black one is the Oregon and the blue one is the Tecomec.
I took the chain vise assembly off of the Oregon and tried it on the Tecomec and it was a perfect fit.
Now that I know this I think I will get the tilting vise assembly and put it on the Tecomec and set it up for
.325 and use the Oregon for .375 chains.

The first chain I sharpened on the Oregon sharpener  with the vise tilted.   This is what I am using it on right now.
I was doing some noodling of some logs that would not split worth a crap so speed is what I was looking for.
The chain did perform great.  I am very pleased.


Title: Re: Oregon chain grinders
Post by: 660magnum on December 20, 2014, 06:12:22 pm
Your Tecomec 510 and 511A are both newer than my 511A. Mine does not have the light.

Good job on the comparison.

511A vice costs $143  http://sharpchain.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_40&products_id=86   I paid $115 but he went up in price after I bought mine.

511AX 1st design costs $128.50  http://sharpchain.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_42&products_id=95  The AX is cheaper to make?

There is the AX vice that will fit your Tecomec but there is the new design that doesn't tilt but just slides in and out for the 10 degree function. It will not fit your Tecomec. You better call and talk to them?

The new grinder main bodies are made different in the head spring area. The new ones have two ears on the stationary part of the spring and a loop in the middle for the head part of the spring. The old springs were known to break.