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Title: Jonsered 490
Post by: bloodontheice on February 27, 2011, 09:19:11 am
I know these saw share alot with the Partner 5000's, but I wonder just how much.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 27, 2011, 10:59:34 am
Identical. Just a color difference.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on February 27, 2011, 11:01:43 am
490 with heated handles. Except for top covers, air filter and carb cover off the top of my head.

early 5000 was open port, 5000 plus closed port like 490

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/Copyofjonsereds490galionpumpkin010.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/Copyofjonsereds490galionpumpkin009.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/Copyofjonsereds490galionpumpkin013.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/Copyofjonsereds490galionpumpkin014.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/Copyofjonsereds490galionpumpkin011.jpg)
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: bloodontheice on February 27, 2011, 11:45:21 am
Thanks guys, it's what I figured but want to know for sure. 
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Modifiedmark on February 28, 2011, 10:21:40 pm
Identical. Just a color difference.

No there not identical to a 5000. The air filter and choke setup is completly different as as is the handlebar setup.

The 490 handlebars are the same as a Partner 500 and thats not a good thing.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 01, 2011, 06:44:50 am
Except for top covers, air filter and carb cover off the top of my head.

Early 5000 before plus had 500 handle bar.  ;)

Identical to me means - Having such a close similarity or resemblance.  I wasn't meaning Identical Twins.  ;D
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: bloodontheice on March 01, 2011, 07:12:36 am
Well I've got the 490 headed my, and should be here sometime next week. It needs some tlc but it should make a nice 3 cube saw.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Al Smith on March 01, 2011, 08:27:03 am
I've  said on many forums my only experiance with any J-reds at all are restricted to three .Two 60's ,a 620 and some other 60's cc that was about a duplicate and a 525 which is  49 cc's .

They all without exception from my perspective were in fact very good operating saws . Were I to speculate I have no doubt that had their been dealers in this area they most likely could have been a contender .As it turned out though Stihl is the only one to have survived .
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Modifiedmark on March 01, 2011, 06:15:13 pm
Except for top covers, air filter and carb cover off the top of my head.

Early 5000 before plus had 500 handle bar.  ;)

Identical to me means - Having such a close similarity or resemblance.  I wasn't meaning Identical Twins.  ;D

You said identical except for color. There are other differences and I just pointed them out.

I cannot say about the early 5000 handle bar so I'll take your word for that for now.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on March 01, 2011, 06:27:08 pm
I think I got some pics of my early 5000's somewhere to show. Date on one was 1979. No handle support and handles like 500.

You ever heard about the 45mm bore on the Pioneer Partner 500 open port. I got one. Some guy on magnus site said they had a different name, but mine has no special markings.   It's in parts now.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on March 01, 2011, 06:29:33 pm
1979 5000 open port with 500 type handle.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/795000.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/7950002.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/7950003.jpg)
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: man of stihl on March 01, 2011, 06:30:29 pm
I think I got some pics of my early 5000's somewhere to show. Date on one was 1979. No handle support and handles like 500.

You ever heard about the 45mm bore on the Pioneer Partner 500 open port. I got one. Some guy on magnus site said they had a different name, but mine has no special markings.   It's in parts now.
i think thats the formula 500.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Modifiedmark on March 01, 2011, 09:58:57 pm
1979 5000 open port with 500 type handle.


Thanks for that. Its not surprising though. That 500 setup was pretty crappy without the lower handle brace. Lots of handlebars **** by the upper mount. Seems a peice of heater hose fastend with a zip tie around the lower front sping mount helped some. It also helps on others like my 7000+
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Modifiedmark on March 01, 2011, 10:00:27 pm
I think I got some pics of my early 5000's somewhere to show. Date on one was 1979. No handle support and handles like 500.

You ever heard about the 45mm bore on the Pioneer Partner 500 open port. I got one. Some guy on magnus site said they had a different name, but mine has no special markings.   It's in parts now.
i think thats the formula 500.

Could be just that. I have been looking for info on the Formula 500 but theres not out there about them. There was also a Formula 5000 but it appears to be a rebadged Poulan clamshell.

T
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: bloodontheice on March 03, 2011, 10:30:20 pm
I didn't have my camera at the house so just cell phone picture for now, ignore the carb sitting next to it.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/CaleSigas/0303111749.jpg)
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on March 04, 2011, 07:05:08 am
Cale check your local shows rules on the 3ci they allow, 49cc.

I know the show in Chardon and Luther the 45mm bore of the 590 was allowed. This also lets in the NE 346xp and 5100S. Went up to 51cc max at those shows.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on March 13, 2011, 01:07:09 pm
I ended up pulling the carb off this saw after rebuilding it several times. It just never ran the way I liked with the # 82 carb on it. I put another model number on it from a 5000 or 500.

Stock 490  with .325 chain in frozen 11.5" wood.  Video with bad carb on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HwYSciPjIA

Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on April 19, 2011, 03:24:57 pm
Finally found the Jonsered small mount bar I have been looking for to replace the rollernose bar on the 490  8).  So I bought  2 of them. 16" .325 050 66dl  ;D
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Arrowhead on April 20, 2011, 02:53:54 pm
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae72/arrowheadpioneer/IMG_3797_2.jpg)

(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae72/arrowheadpioneer/IMG_3802.jpg)

(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae72/arrowheadpioneer/IMG_3800.jpg)

Here is one of my 490's. My other one has the heated handles, but needs new tubes.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 20, 2011, 03:11:26 pm
Very nice Arrowhead and Welcome.  Between you and Mark it looks like you guys have took up my Partner Jonsered slack.

I've noticed several 490 590 that has the Carlton chain stickers on the covers. Whats up with that? Something the dealers put on them?

My 490 with S was suppose to been bought new by Marcel Vincent up in Canada and then was passed onto another race saw builder that didnt want to cut up the heated handle saw, then another racer got it and then to me to keep it whole as a racer I do not need anymore.

I did see another very nice heated handle 490 get molested into a 3 cube race saw build  :( .
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Arrowhead on April 20, 2011, 06:15:09 pm
I really took a liking to these saws. Between the Partners, Poulan 325's and Jreds, I believe I have 13 of them now.  ;D
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 20, 2011, 06:29:07 pm
I had that many 500 5000 at one time by themselves LOL.  Crazy. I got it down to manageable numbers now.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: SawTroll on April 21, 2011, 07:03:04 am
....... I've noticed several 490 590 that has the Carlton chain stickers on the covers. Whats up with that? Something the dealers put on them? ......

Maybe Tilton had a deal with Carlton at some point?
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: bloodontheice on April 21, 2011, 11:10:22 am
I've got it all put back together now, I just need the two connectors for the kill wire and it will be back to running.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 27, 2011, 04:05:21 pm
I bought 2 bars like this just for this saw in .325 050. One to use and one for show and if I ever sale it. Jonsereds bar cover too.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/jonseredbar5000clyfin001.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/jonseredbar5000clyfin003.jpg)

Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 03, 2011, 04:45:49 pm
 I have another 490 that needs crank bearings and looking for puller for worm gear removal.

Is there 2 different worm gear pullers?  For the FINE and COARSE worm gears on the 490 5000 500 saws?   

Any part numbers? I lost my superseded info for the 5000 worm gear on the other puter crash.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: SawTroll on June 04, 2011, 04:11:11 pm
Finally found the Jonsered small mount bar I have been looking for to replace the rollernose bar on the 490  8).  So I bought  2 of them. 16" .325 050 66dl  ;D

Looks like a narrow kerf Husky made bar!  ;)
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: combsy on June 16, 2011, 08:28:38 pm
Looking for a piston and cyl. for a 490...
Will a 51or55 Husky piston and cyl. work on a 490? I know this is the place for this info...lol..
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 16, 2011, 08:33:27 pm
Looking for a piston and cyl. for a 490...
Will a 51or55 Husky piston and cyl. work on a 490? I know this is the place for this info...lol..

Info should be in this husky 50 thread.  ;)    http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/husqvarna/husky-50-300th-anniversary/
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Roanoker494 on July 25, 2011, 12:37:17 pm
Looking for a piston and cyl. for a 490...
Will a 51or55 Husky piston and cyl. work on a 490? I know this is the place for this info...lol..

The Husqvarna 50/51/55 top ends are a direct bolt on replacement. Unfortunately you will lose some performance with the swap because of the differences in the port design.   
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: nmurph on August 10, 2011, 12:11:59 pm
So, are all 5000+ closed port? I bought a very clean example several months ago, but I have not been into it yet and have only made a few cuts. The stock compression is 170 and it has a very nice exhaust sound.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 10, 2011, 01:24:19 pm
All 5000 plus I have seen have been closed so far. Early non plus 5000 I had was open.  You dont have to remove to tell if closed or open.
Been awhile since I have did it and my memory might be wrong. Just look at the top of the transfers that you can see with top still bolted on with piston in down position I think.  But one had rounded corners on transfer and one has square cornered transfers. I cant remember which was which right now.  :-[
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on August 27, 2011, 09:21:56 am
Another 490 I just bought and no it's not my finger or pics  ;D.   Got to love the internet for tracking things down  ;).

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/photo.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/photo1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on September 01, 2011, 05:20:30 pm
Just saving this part number here for the heated handle tubing on the jonsered 490 and partner 5000H and many others.  506020801

What husqvarna used this tubing for heated handles? It also has a husqvarna part number, besides jonsered, partner, poulan, all the same part number 506020801.  ???

Oh, in the middle of converting my last 5000 project to heated handles to match my 490.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Old Iron Logging on October 22, 2011, 09:29:08 pm
Picked up a nice 490 on Friday for $108. Getting a 5000 Plus on Monday for $50.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: nmurph on October 24, 2011, 08:12:19 am
I picked up an early SN 325 two weeks ago. I found out it has a 44mm CP cylinder.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun on October 24, 2011, 02:26:24 pm
I picked up an early SN 325 two weeks ago. I found out it has a 44mm CP cylinder.

Are you saying you picked up a type 1 closed port PP325 and someone had put a 44mm topend on it?  If so I hopeyou at least got the 44mm 490 5000 plus top.

 Type 2 PP325 was open port
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: nmurph on October 24, 2011, 04:21:48 pm
It was a parts saw---44mm CP........the Type 1 or 2 badging is missing. The was was an early '88.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 18, 2012, 06:42:59 pm
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/036pro490H5000H005.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/036pro490H5000H006.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/036pro490H5000H007.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/036pro490H5000H010.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/036pro490H5000H008.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/034036/036pro490H5000H009.jpg)
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: CASE5854x4 on May 29, 2012, 11:43:25 am
Hey guys, I got 2 490's here I'm going to "rob" the top ends from & put on Husky 51 chassis. I want to builsd a strong woods port, any tips ???

Steve
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: gapl1953 on November 15, 2012, 11:04:08 am
I got a 490 and really like the way the saw runs and handles. My money invested in my "little hobby" is far out pacing my money made and this is one of the saws I have marked for resale. The trouble is every time I pick it up and use it I comment "what a nice saw it is", so I'm torn about selling it.

Greg
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 26, 2019, 06:33:27 am
Picked up a jonsered 490 yesterday.  Saws was dusty, but topend looked great.  2nd pull fired off and runs, idles and oils too. 

Saw is already sold. Lasted about 2mins on CRG.



Title: Re: Jonsereds 490 heat handle
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 18, 2019, 09:38:10 am
Found the old info and pics of my jonsered 490 heated handle today.

Some info from 2009 =  Tag shows made in 1982 with only 4 digit serial number. History is saw was bought new by a racer and set aside after test cuts, later sold to another racer to build a race saw, but he didnt want to butcher it with the heated handles and it set on a shelf and got dusty again, then it made its way to Ohio where I found it just setting collecting more dust.
I am going to leave this saw as a original myself, but I am going to try out those heated handles this winter.
I noticed the dawg and chain catcher was removed (but I have both), which is something a racer will do to keep from tearing up a good chain.

This 490 with heated handles is still all stock.



Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Spike60 on April 22, 2020, 07:15:52 am
Did you get a chance to run that saw this winter? How did the heated handles compare to other models? I just dragged out my 490 last weekend. Been pulling out whatever odd saws grab my attention when I go into the cellar. Nothing wrong with a stock saw either. I've moved away from the notion that every saw needs to be modified.  I never mess with a saw if it's the only one of that model that I have. Especially with saws like this for which parts are scarce. It's a bit of history the way it came off the line, so I like to keep it that way.
Title: Re: Jonsered 490
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 22, 2020, 12:26:59 pm
Did you get a chance to run that saw this winter? How did the heated handles compare to other models? I just dragged out my 490 last weekend. Been pulling out whatever odd saws grab my attention when I go into the cellar. Nothing wrong with a stock saw either. I've moved away from the notion that every saw needs to be modified.  I never mess with a saw if it's the only one of that model that I have. Especially with saws like this for which parts are scarce. It's a bit of history the way it came off the line, so I like to keep it that way.

Both my heated handles are in collectors hands now. The Jonsered 490 and Partner 5000 plus. 

I loved the heated handles on them compared to the new style on the 346's I ran.