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Title: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 07, 2011, 08:10:13 pm
I guess it's rechargeable battery powered trim saw. Has a video in link.

http://www.oregonpowernowtools.com/
Title: Re: Oregon PowerNow battery powered trim chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 07, 2011, 08:18:52 pm
I wanted more info. I was thinking it could replace the corded in the barn carcass cutter. But not for the $399 retail asking price.

Product Features

    * Powerful 40-volt battery-operated chainsaw with tough 14-inch bar
    * Long-lasting standard lithium-ion battery pack provides no-fade power
    * Powers through logs as large as 10 to 12 inches; instant trigger-pull start
    * Trims up to 125 2- to 3-inch branches on single charge; built-in chain sharpening system
    * 60-minute charging time; weighs 9.5 pounds (with guide bar, chain, and battery)

Title: Re: Oregon - Stihl - Husqvarna battery powered trim saws
Post by: Al Smith on September 18, 2011, 08:09:26 pm
It comes as no surprise that battery operated trim saws are becoming popular .The technoligy in all battery operated tools has improved a lot in just the last 5 years and I'm certain it will only improve more as time goes on .

No doubt they fill a certain niche .
Title: Re: Oregon PowerNow battery powered trim chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 04, 2011, 06:23:16 pm
Stihl MSA 160 version rechargeable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtIoufqSKwE
Title: Re: Oregon PowerNow battery powered trim chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 04, 2011, 06:31:52 pm
Huskys version is Husqvarna T536 LiXP

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 29, 2011, 06:01:31 pm
A representative of Oregon Powernow is a member of the site now if you have any questions for them.

Feel free to share any info you have on the subject.


Thanks.
Kevin
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Old Iron Logging on November 29, 2011, 06:16:29 pm
We sent a Stihl MSA 160 out to the power company to test. They like it. Been in their hands for a month. They are going to buy it on Friday. Not cheap here. Saw, charger, battery and belt is $963.85.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: man of stihl on November 29, 2011, 06:19:32 pm
We sent a Stihl MSA 160 out to the power company to test. They like it. Been in their hands for a month. They are going to buy it on Friday. Not cheap here. Saw, charger, battery and belt is $963.85.
:o :o :o
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 30, 2011, 04:58:21 pm
It looks like I could be getting one of these Oregon Powernow chainsaws to test out for 30 days. 

Also the Powersharp 3/8LP bar and chain to try out on one of my small saws. I have always been leery of these if they can actually resharpen their selves to cut good as new like shown in the info commercials.



Al Smith you can come over and test with me to check this all out when the time comes. You interested?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: PowerNow on November 30, 2011, 05:05:02 pm
Hello everyone.  Just wanted to introduce myself.  I work for OREGON® in the PowerNow™ group.  I've worked with the chainsaw quite a bit myself.  I will do my best to answer any questions you might have.

Luke
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 01, 2011, 01:28:29 pm
Chainsawrepair = cut4fun ( my old username everyone knew me by )

What is the difference in the 2 battery's offered and how are they about holding a charge after long periods of no use? I just hate when I go to grab my cordless drill and the battery is flat.

How will weather temps effect the holding of the charge?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: man of stihl on December 01, 2011, 02:41:56 pm
Also, how many times can you charge the battery before it goes bad?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on December 01, 2011, 06:11:42 pm
Lithium batteries do not loose their charge setting on the shelf like the old NiCds do.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: PowerNow on December 02, 2011, 04:18:06 pm
I'm going to post a link to our FAQs online.  It has the information you are looking for.

http://www.oregonpowernowtools.com/docs/Blount_FAQ.pdf

Cut4fun:  Items number 1, 2, 5, 14 and 19 will address your questions about the battery packs.  The saw does fine in cold weather. If it sits overnight at below 32˚F it may not run until the battery is warmed. When using the CS250 in cold weather, simply keep the battery pack above freezing until ready to cut. As you start your job, the battery will most likely stay warm enough to continue running.

man of stihl:  Item number 3 answers your question.

660magnum: Li-Ion batteries do lose some charge while sitting, but not nearly as drastic as Ni-Cad do.  Item number 19 addresses the amount.

Good questions all.  I hope I provided the information you were looking for.

Luke
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 02, 2011, 05:02:35 pm
Luke, could you describe what you told me about the chain and make up of it chrome etc and how everything works. Lot of us are still under the old powersharp system that didnt work out so well.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: PowerNow on December 05, 2011, 06:39:21 pm
As some of you are aware, in 1965 Oregon released a chain called Topsharp that ultimately failed. (a.k.a. Barracuda) This was mainly due the stone being shaped by the cutters and OEMS doing a poor job of implementing the sharpening system into their saws.  The new PowerSharp on the market today has been re-engineered to correct the mistakes made in the older version.

We currently have two applications for PowerSharp on the market.  One is the system built into the PowerNow CS250 Chainsaw and the other is an aftermarket setup for gas saws.  The aftermarket kit includes a bar, sharpener, stone, and a chain.  The 2 systems are the same except the way it is applied to the saw.  PowerSharp on the CS250 is applied with a lever built into the saw and the gas version has a spring loaded sharpener that is attached to the bar and depressed against a solid object.  PowerSharp sharpens from the top down just like the old Topsharp.  As the chain is passing through the stone it is performing 3 functions.  It is sharpening the cutters, setting the depth gauges, and dressing the stone.  The cutters and depth gauges are able to be ground at different lengths because we are sharpening on a radius.  The stone is being dressed by a diamond coated link (the only gold colored link) that makes sure the stone is always the correct shape to properly grind the cutters throughout the life of the chain.  If performed at the proper intervals (3-5 seconds), there is no danger of overheating and annealing the cutters. The system on the CS250 averages 10-20 and the gas saw averages 5-15 sharpenings per chain/stone (Difference due to chain RPM).  The chain and stone are designed to wear out at the same time and come together as a replacement kit.  As a design benefit, PowerSharp maintains it's edge 2-3 times longer than traditional chain because the chrome is laid on the underside of the cutter.  This was needed because the cutter is being ground on the top.  When traditional cutters force themselves through wood the chrome is constantly under pressure to peel back and off due to friction.  With PowerSharp the chrome wraps around the nose of the cutting edge and "holds on" to the cutter longer resulting in a harder edge which leads to better performance.

I perform demo's all the time by dulling the chain on concrete then re-sharpening to cut wood again.  I've even done side by side tests with used railroad ties.  The PowerSharp maintained it's edge on average twice as long as traditional chain in the gravel infused wood (lots of sparks while cutting).  I was able to perform a 3-5 second sharpening and I was on my way again.  With the traditional chain I had to stop and change out the loop.  It really does work.  I encourage you to visit the PowerSharp website to view the components I mentioned.  It may help you visualize the process. www.powersharp.com

I hope I actually provided some insight rather than just confusing folks...

Luke

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: man of stihl on December 05, 2011, 06:53:11 pm
How does the chain cut, speed wise, compared to hand round filed?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: PowerNow on December 05, 2011, 07:05:56 pm
In smaller diameter wood you will most likely not notice a speed difference.  The larger you go, the more you will notice PowerSharp cutting faster.  Currently we only have PowerSharp in a low-profile 3/8" chain.  A .325" chain is in development, but I have no idea on timing.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 05, 2011, 07:47:11 pm
MOS if I get a chance to try it I will try it fresh out of box against the new PS3 and another new semi chisel chain. That should tell me how the new stuff cuts.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: man of stihl on December 05, 2011, 07:50:29 pm
MOS if I get a chance to try it I will try it fresh out of box against the new PS3 and another new semi chisel chain. That should tell me how the new stuff cuts.
K
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 08, 2011, 03:12:05 pm
I received a tracking number for a CS250 being shipped to me to demo.

Al and w8ye are you guys interested in checking this battery saw out?  I wont have a day off till next weekend with all this OT  ;D but might squeeze something in during the day if you want to before next weekend if need be.

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on December 08, 2011, 04:50:46 pm
LMK when you guys are going to try it out and I can be there too.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 12, 2011, 02:14:21 pm
Powernow is here. Hope to  open and get it charged up for some weekend testing. 

MOS I will test 3 chains on a 2100 33cc rear handle to be able to tell you how the powersharp chain cuts.  All should be new out of box. This powersharp with powernow and a Carlton Semi Chisel and a Stihl PS3 Round Chisel.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on December 12, 2011, 03:30:04 pm
Sounds good
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 12, 2011, 04:34:55 pm
There was a 16" powersharp set up for the 2100 in the box. So I will test that one on the 2100 chain test.

I couldnt wait to just see. So put the powernow with chain that was on it and did a 3-5 second sharpening and stuck it in a 6" ash that rock hard and another test piece about 8" w8ye had brought by.  I'm guessing some kind of very dry hardwood too?

The chain on the powernow cut really good. The powernow itself seemed a little underpowered to what I am used to in a gas saw. To be honest it is a very small saw with a 14" and it will cut what it was intended for. Smaller and lighter then I expected. It cut the 6"" ash easily. The bigger maybe 8" one pulled it down a little more but the chain cut great if you dont push on it.
 It is very light even with battery installed and I can see where a landscaper or homeowner will have a use for this saw. It was surprisingly quiet too. Just sounded like chain whirring around to me.

It has 3 batts with endurance on them. Is this the longer lasting batts?

If so. Do the endurance batts weigh more then the standard batt?

Hope to do some video and testing this weekend.

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: PowerNow on December 14, 2011, 03:52:11 pm
I'm glad they arrived.

The Endurance batteries are the larger capacity batteries.  The Endurance battery weighs in at 2.7 lbs and the Standard battery at 1.7 lbs.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 15, 2011, 06:52:51 pm
Took some still pics of powernow and powersharp chain set up while out in the barn removing door on son's car to rebuild a worn hinge. Sure wish I would have just bought another hinge now. What a PITA.

Neat to see and understand how the chain is sharpened from the top down now.  ;D

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow010.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow006.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow008.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow014.jpg)
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 15, 2011, 06:55:58 pm
Sorry for the blurry pics. Just my cheap Fuji on micro and it just doesn't get it.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow009.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow007.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow001.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow005.jpg)
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 15, 2011, 06:57:36 pm
New chain for powersharp system and poulan mount 3/8LP.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow011.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Clinton268272xp/powernow002.jpg)

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on December 15, 2011, 08:06:10 pm
The cutters stick up at a angle a little like the old barracuda chain but they are, overall, shaped completely different.

I can hardly wait to see it cut.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: TORX on December 16, 2011, 11:43:49 am
Thats the first time i have seen that power sharp chain up close. I wasn't expecting the cutter to be that much different. Interesting......
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on December 16, 2011, 02:11:31 pm
That twin raker set up looks like the expensive chain those guys sold who split off from Oregon.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 16, 2011, 02:16:01 pm
Those chains I did this year for a guy had double rakers with a safety bumper in between them. My pics are blurry but maybe you can tell.

http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chain/sabre-chain-today/
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on December 16, 2011, 03:39:17 pm
I was telling the Dolmar dealer about the electric saw today at noon for I overheard he and one of his son's talking about it and they were both looking in the big Oregon catalog. He brought up the deal about  that other brand of chain and then I remembered a little about it. He talked about that chain was hard to sharpen on a grinder? Maybe it was just different?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Old Iron Logging on December 16, 2011, 07:14:30 pm
Power company bought the 160. They were happy with it. Got interesting feedback.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 16, 2011, 07:32:46 pm
The battery on the stihl 160 looks a little like the one on the oregon from  pic in charger in video.

Note: Batteries and chargers must be purchased separately.
http://www.stihldealer.net/productdetails-dealer-_eu4dda-prodid-1030-uid-8e8fa165_b59b_4f9d_b733_c60b009c5c65-vid-f4b2ecb2_de98_47b0_a81b_49be775e5734-cmp-DEF-vcd-_4d4ryeee4ere.aspx

http://www.stihlusa.com/Li-Ion.html

http://www.stihlusa.com/chainsaws/MSA160.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLvTgctuP_k
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 17, 2011, 05:50:43 pm
I may of over done it with the cutting the brick test. Tested in spruce and bar on powernow was 14", so however big that wood was I forgot to measure.

I couldnt get the chains to cut like they did new but they still cut after the resharpen. Will say they both cut a nice groove in the brick too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaffJf5A0-M&feature
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 17, 2011, 05:57:28 pm
I hope I got the 3 chains tested in right videos. Tested on the Poulan 260 40cc or 42cc I rebuilt. Using 16" powersharp bar and carlton semi, stihl PS3, and powersharp chain.
I felt the powersharp chain was the smoothest in the cut. Did not time the cuts. If you do let us know. I did bog 3rd cut using stihl PS3 chain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l34xuczB9wA&feature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jehGTCKM9E8&feature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpYH5nKomLk&feature
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on December 17, 2011, 06:00:16 pm
Again I think I over did it on the brick test on the poulan with powersharp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FSMHLMedM&feature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUcOHKPVuUg&feature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxhfgQpMiD8&feature
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on December 17, 2011, 07:09:37 pm
My impression or the Power Sharp chain is that it is a viable alternative for anyone who would be challenged to sharpen their own chain with a file.

The battery powered saw would be ideal for anyone who cannot start or deal with a gasoline powered saw.

It appears to be ideal for pruning and trimming applications around the yard.

I have no doubts that it would be something my wife would like and she could do her own trimming without having to get me to do it.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 21, 2012, 06:19:10 pm
Art I checked the stihl battery saw out today. The chain looked like one of those little toy chains on kids play saw  :o. It said 1/4" .043 picco but I swear the cutter looked micro size compared to what I can remember 1/4" being on a old saw.

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Old Iron Logging on February 21, 2012, 07:18:57 pm
We tried to get chain and files for the 2 we had in last Nov. As of then they were not available. File is 1/8. I can't see the saw being a good seller.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 22, 2012, 08:20:01 pm
We tried to get chain and files for the 2 we had in last Nov. As of then they were not available. File is 1/8.

Had to find 1/8" files today for that Dynamark.

Save Edge    6” x 1/8”    3.2 mm    637-3011      $1.23

http://www.saveedge.com/chainsawfiles.html
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Sven Johnson on February 22, 2012, 09:57:49 pm
I have Pferd 1/8" files for $8.00 per dz plus shipping.
Sven.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Old Iron Logging on May 07, 2012, 08:01:55 pm
Had a new battery chainsaw in the shop today. Made in France. Rep said it would cut with a 40cc gas saw. 6 hour run time. 800 charge cycles. Had a power shear for limbs also. Guy doing the demo was cutting off a shovel handle in under a second with the shear. Wish I hand my camera. Full line of grass trimmer, chainsaw, pole prunner, blower etc.

Now the good part, saw, battery, charger, $2500.

http://www.pellenc.com.au/Products/PortableToolsGreenTechnology/SelionHandHeldChainsawRange/tabid/681/Default.aspx
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on May 07, 2012, 08:21:17 pm
At that price I could by one for each of the 7 kids, 12 grand kids and two great grand kids?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Old Iron Logging on May 07, 2012, 08:24:01 pm
We never took any from the rep. Hard enough to sell the Stihl cordless at $600.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 07, 2012, 09:13:10 pm
Tree monkeys will like the top handle, but not at that price  :o. The Oregon rep had told me they were working on the top handle when he sent me the demo saw.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 02, 2012, 01:48:28 pm
Husqvarna 536

Husky beat Oregon with the top handle version.   T536   http://www.husqvarna.com/uk/products/professional-chainsaws/t536-li-xp/#features



Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: RoyM on December 08, 2012, 12:42:55 pm
They seem to fit a growing niche. Too heavy and expensive for the average consumer and will never replace the gas saw even for small jobs. Building contractors and arborists could find it very useful.
I have tried it and even though I am old school I liked it. It has a nice feel and balance, much like a 40 cc gas, and cut decently. Would make a good camp saw, the neighbors complain about my Husky 35 :D
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 02, 2014, 10:51:25 am
Going backwards here. Has anyone ran a rechargeable 18V battery top handle saw or any 18V chainsaw.  Battery says good for 150  1.5" cuts.  Says 6.5lbs 

Thinking inside barn and my trimming duties once a year.

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: 660magnum on February 02, 2014, 11:11:22 am
You will not get that capacity in this cold weather. The test was done at standard temperature of 20 C.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 02, 2014, 12:18:40 pm
You will not get that capacity in this cold weather. The test was done at standard temperature of 20 C.

I only do the trim in spring.   
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 02, 2014, 12:23:53 pm
First thing is it needs stihl PS PS3 loop on it.  :D   I just wonder if it a total waste of $
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 02, 2014, 12:36:43 pm
I sit here looking at pics  and it just smack me up against the head NO AV.  So never mind.

If going with no  av I will just build another 1800 2000 saw.

I'm spoiled now, gots to have AV.  ;D
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on February 02, 2014, 04:55:13 pm
I have been using the Oregon PowerNow chainsaw for 2+ years and have had the chance to try their new 40V pole saw, due out this spring.

As noted, battery powered saws are not a direct replacement for gas saws, but they do have their advantages - all of the advantages of a corded electric saw, without the cord: no fuel to store, mix, or go stale; no ethanol issues; no flooding; no repetitive pulling on a starter rope; no 2-cycle fumes; less maintenance (no spark plug, air filter, carb rebuilding, etc.); much quieter; less vibration;  only runs when trigger is depressed; etc., etc., etc. 

They can be a great 'grab-and'go' saw; good for trimming; good for someone who can't store gasoline indoors (apartment manager, for example); good for someone who has trouble starting a gas saw, but does not want the cord.

I would only consider the 36/40 volt saws right now (same batteries, described as either 36 or 40 volts) .  Just like cordless drills, which started out at 7 volts, but really were not that useful until the 12 and 18 volt versions came out, the 36/40 volt saws are the current 'standard' in my mind.  STIHL, Oregon, Husqvarna (rear and top handle), Bosch, Makita (top handle) all have models.  The Husqvarna and Bosch are only available in Europe as I understand it.  Ryobi (Home Depot) is developing one to go with their other 36 volt OPE. Many of these tools are part of an OPE family, including hedge trimmers, string trimmers, etc., that use the same batteries.

As far as cold weather use, I used the 40V pole saw cleaning up tornado damage in Illinois this past December, when the temps were about 20*F and was surprised at how long the Li-ion batteries lasted (I think I posted something about this in another thread).  The batteries keep getting better: originals were 1.2 and 2.4 amp-hour; the newer ones are 4.0 Ah - same size and same weight. Like any cordless tool, I would want a second battery to charge/swap out while working with the other.

The PowerSharp chain is a separate topic, as it only comes standard on the Oregon saw with the built in sharpener, but could be fitted to any 3/8 low profile saw.  I also ran the Oregon 40V saw with the PowerSharp chain, and 2 other, new, Oregon, 3/8 low profile, reduced kickback chains (91VG, and 91PX) side-by-side and was very impressed with the PowerSharp chain.  It really is a fairly aggressive chain.  The trick is to treat it like any other chain, and not intentionally jam it into rocks, or shove it into dirt to 'test' it.  I also use the PowerSharp chain on one of my corded electric saws (Makita UC4000), and it is my 'low-fuss-in-the-city-combination'. 

I am anxious for them to release their .325 version of the PowerSharp chain to see how it does on larger saws.

Philbert
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 02, 2014, 05:05:34 pm
Nice info.  Do you know IF they ever released the top handle version?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on February 02, 2014, 07:38:04 pm
Not that I know of.

The Makita is a top handled saw that some guys might like for use in the tree.  Only tried it at a tool show (indoors).  They generally make good stuff.  One cool feature is an option that lets you use (2) 18 Volt batteries, if you already have those for other Makita cordless, carpentry tools.

Only tried the STIHL 36V saw at a State Fair demo (a few times) cutting cookies from a 4" log in a saw buck.

As you noted, these saws also have different chains: mostly smaller pitch and shorter bars due to the power head.

The STIHL runs 1/4" pitch chain.  The Oregon saw runs 3/8" low profile (series 91) chain, but the pole saw runs 3/8" low profile, narrow kerf (series 90) chain. The Makita looks like it is also running series 90 chain. Don't know about the others.

The proof is in the cutting.  Trick with the Oregon saw is to let it do the work and don't try to push it.  Works well up to 6" green / 4" dry wood, although with patience, I have cut up to a 14" spruce with it.

Philbert
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 03, 2014, 01:10:36 pm
Philbert pics of the oregon pole saw?


Also have you ever ran or tested out the 18V NiCad battery saws?   

Just sort of scared NiCd wont hold a charge and go bad quickly. Figure this might be why they have went to Lithium batteries.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on February 03, 2014, 01:20:33 pm
Here is a link to the Oregon PowerNow site with product description:

https://oregoncordless.com/US/Products/Tools/Cordless-Pole-Saw

I thought I had posted on this pole saw before, but apparently, it was on another site.  I started a separate thread on this saw with photos here:

http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chainsaws-not-listed/oregon-40v-pole-saw/

I expect that the other manufacturers will also have cordless pole saws, so it it worth considering them as a separate topic.

I have not tried any of the 18 V saws.

Philbert

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun on October 24, 2014, 10:58:54 pm
Any good info on that 80V rear handle green thing I seen pics of?
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: jlithen on May 23, 2015, 03:59:43 am
Hi,

I bought the CS250 for myself as a christmas gift :)

Been using it rather regularly for 5 months now.

I must say I really like it for the easiness of use and torque.

A few issues:
-Chain has really high kickback, might be due to high torque too.
-Chain tends to tension itself when blade bends slightly upwards during use. This can be avoided by pushing the blade upwards while fastening the blade screw thing.
-2.4Ah batteries do not last long per charge

In Finland the saw cost 600euros with one battery when I bought it. 200 more for a second battery.
So it is expensive. And in fact I bought it from Germany cheaper.
But say I would pay 400 for a decent gas saw and spend 400more on 200liters of gasoline...after that it is a winwin situation :)

Anyway, I wonder what cells are used in the 4.0Ah pack?
High power cells tend to have low capacity. A 18650 cell is often just 1500 or 1600mAh...

With the 2pcs of  2.4Ah packs I can cut maybe one cubic meter of firewood, then I take a break and do something else (such as carry logs or something else) later in the day I can cut another cubic meter.
As we only use about 10 cubic meters of firewood per year this cordless saw will not make my working days much longer on average:)
In fact I decided I will not buy any garden tools using fossil fuels any more. A small thing I can do for mother earth, my neighbours, lungs and ears :)

When just cutting down a small tree, this thing rocks. No filling gas, no starting, no stopping et.c. et.c.

I would like to build a 10Ah backpack battery, like Pellenc has. This is a must if taking it out to the forest.
But I have not even managed to open the original battery pack, seems both screwed and glued.

Anyone else built a better battery (and charger) for the CS250?

Also anyone done any service on the gear system in the saw?
I am wondering if cleaning and lubing would be needed after months of semi-heavy use :)
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on May 24, 2015, 05:14:53 pm
Welcome to the forum!

The 4.0 amp hour batteries do last longer than the 2.4 amp hour batteries.  They are more expensive to purchase, but a better value overall.   Good to have at least two batteries (any size), so that you can continue work while one is charging.

I have had my saw for over three years, and never found any reason to open up the saw case, or the battery pack. I don't think that there's much I could do it either.  Pretty pleased with it, for what it is.

Oregon has announced a new, brushless motor version due out in a few months, that is supposed to have significantly more power. We will have to take a look!

Philbert
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: jlithen on May 25, 2015, 09:00:27 am
Thank you!

No way you can work continuously with 2 batteries, or more batteries and one charger for that matter.
Maybe with the fast charger if you work really slow :)
I'll buy or build a fast charger at some point. Charging high power Li-ion batteries at 0.5C is unnecessarily slow.

About 200€ is today the price for a 4Ah battery and that is already on my upper limit.
For 200€ you can get much more Ah if you buy just cells.
I'd like to have about 10Ah.

At least I will rebuild the packs when they get tired.
I do not like buying the entire pack if just the cells can be bought cheaper.

I was under the impression that the saw was brushless, but I guess I was mistaken then.
That explains the relatively high noise level.
This means that carbon brushes need to be changed at some interval.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: jlithen on June 05, 2015, 08:17:03 am
Rearding green 80V saws.
Sounds good but I got the following picture:

closer to 1kUSD saws have a "normal chain" and can cut quite fast. Stihl, Husqvarna, Oregon

much cheaper green and gray saws tend to have only half the teeth on the chain or half the speed or something else very limiting.
I tried to order a 36/40V greenworks or whatever it was from the US, it cost like nothing. Under 200 with shipping, unfortunately due to Li-Ion batteries it was returned to sender and I got my money refunded :(

Maybe ordering one directly from Asia would work. E.g. DHL ships Li-Ion batteries
Of course warranty is often useless when ordering from c*inese countries ;)
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on March 01, 2017, 01:42:03 pm
New Lines of STIHL Cordless OPE Released

AI - 'integrated' (read 'built-in') battery for 'quick tasks around smaller yards and condominiums.' Series includes: string trimmer, leaf blower, and hedge trimmer.

AK - separate battery and charger 'ideally suited for frequent use around suburban yards.' Series: includes chainsaw, string trimmer, leaf blower, and hedge trimmer.

AP - 'professional-grade power  . . . for extensive use on a wide range of properties.' Series includes: 2 chainsaws, 3 string trimmers, 2 leaf blowers, 2 hedge trimmers, 3 pole pruners, 3 lawn mowers, cut off saw.

https://www.stihlusa.com/products/battery-products/

https://battery.stihlusa.com/battery-series

Could not easily find Amp-hour ratings for the AI and AK series batteries, but clearly they are designed for lighter duty use, and to fill out price points, where consumers may have been looking at some other brands. Likely to be of less interest to folks here, who have been looking at battery powered tools going 'in the other direction' - more power, longer cutting life, etc. But please add any information if you have it on these series of tools, or if you have the opportunity to try any of them out.

Philbert
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: jlithen on March 01, 2017, 02:01:10 pm
Interesting...

I bought the CS300 and sold my CS250.

CS300 consumes less power, cuts faster and has less torque.
I'm relatively happy with it.

I also bought three LM300 mowers.
Three because the two first broke within 30minutes of use.
First one had the rotor come loose from the shaft. Very interesting! Rotor was spinning but shaft not.
I had to open the motor to believe it...it made noise but shaft was standing still.
Next one had bad threads in the shaft...some assembly line worker had fastened the blade bolt with force.
The plastic piece holding the blade was damaged quickly.
Third one has been fine for hours!!!
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on March 01, 2017, 02:10:29 pm
I think that it is interesting how STIHL is going after the 'consumer' / 'prosumer' market, more.  Must have realized a limit in the 'pro' market and seen more growth?

Wonder if it will affect their reputation - some companies would have come up with another name for their lower end products: e.g. Sears has 'Craftsman' and 'Companion' (although Sears is a sad story by itself); Husqvarna uses the 'Poulan' line for their more mass marketed saws; Hilton also has 'Hampton Inn' (still a nice, value hotel); etc. GM tried to do this with 'Cadillac', 'Oldsmobile', 'Buick', 'Pontiac', 'Chevrolet', and 'Saturn', . . . .

Philbert
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 01, 2017, 03:26:20 pm
I had a pic of them in showroom at a dealer.  Guess I didnt post them here. Hmmmm see if I can find it later.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: HolmenTree on March 01, 2017, 04:29:55 pm
Yep big day today March 1 for Stihl.
Big big $$ in green consumer market.
Lots of YouTube vids released this afternoon.
I like how they added the exhaust sound to the chainsaw and polesaw :D

https://youtu.be/DXzazzLqiLk
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 01, 2017, 06:00:57 pm
Here is the dealer set ups they were to put up.

Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on March 01, 2017, 10:17:13 pm
My STIHL dear is pretty much a 'pro' shop.  I guess that these could help bring in more homeowner customers, but not sure how they would handle each other!

Philbert
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Nathaniel Vansickle on March 03, 2017, 12:31:28 pm
We demoed the new brushless Makita saw a few weeks back and found it to be pretty impressive for battery powered, but havent ran anyone elses to compare it to. We did notice that it has an overload protection on the motor and trying to push to hard it would kick out and force you to release the trigger to reset it, kinda annoying but if it keeps the motor from overheating and helps provide a long service life then its worth it.

I have a few of them ordered and should be in next week. We are planning on doing a little comparison video of it to the PS-32. See how it stacks up for cut times and battery life compared to a gas counterpart.
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Philbert on March 03, 2017, 02:24:16 pm
We demoed the new brushless Makita saw a few weeks back and found it to be pretty impressive for battery powered, but havent ran anyone elses to compare it to. We did notice that it has an overload protection on the motor and trying to push to hard it would kick out and force you to release the trigger to reset it . . .
Side-by-side is really the only way to compare these saws.  Too easy to get bamboozled by Volts, Amps, and other ratings, or by marketing claims. Most battery saws have the overload protection, I believe; need to have a sharp chain and let the saw do the work.

Philbert
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 06, 2017, 08:35:57 pm
That 36 volt  makita is shown here. Nate was showing a poster of it.  http://www.coptool.com/makita-and-dolmar-are-merging-into-a-single-brand/
Title: Re: Oregon Stihl Husky battery powered trim saws
Post by: Eccentric on March 12, 2017, 08:11:21 pm
We demoed the new brushless Makita saw a few weeks back and found it to be pretty impressive for battery powered, but havent ran anyone elses to compare it to. We did notice that it has an overload protection on the motor and trying to push to hard it would kick out and force you to release the trigger to reset it, kinda annoying but if it keeps the motor from overheating and helps provide a long service life then its worth it.

I have a few of them ordered and should be in next week. We are planning on doing a little comparison video of it to the PS-32. See how it stacks up for cut times and battery life compared to a gas counterpart.

Nathan have you ran the Echo electric chainsaw yet?