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Title: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 23, 2015, 11:47:34 pm
I created this post for two reasons. First one is this site is cool , calm and full of knowledge. Second, I have a 450p and would
Like to switch it over to 3/8 LP. Was wondering if anyone could help me with sproket, 20" bar, part numbers. I feel this combo would benefit this saw more. Any help would be appreciated...
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: mountainlake on September 24, 2015, 05:06:01 am
 
 I did the switch  on a CS4400 and it way better with the 3/8 lp  6 tooth driver, I tried a 7 tooth driver first which cut about the same as the .325 chain.  A sprocket off a CS400 fit on the CS4400 but I had to machine (grind) a little off the end.  I did some timed cuts between my CS400 and a CS450 (with the .325 chain) and they were about dead even. With the 3/8 6 tooth lp on the CS450 it should cut quite a bit faster than a CS400.  If you find a 6 tooth sprocket that fits right on let us know.   Steve
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 24, 2015, 08:11:37 am
Ok , i was thinking that finding a sproket will be the easier part of all this, Bar in 20'' 3/8 lp will be a bit harder , i was thinking of using my .325 pitch bar cause its a .50gauge and that is the LP i am going to be using , so i could probably moddify the nose sprocket of that bar to run the 3/8 lp i got that bar on sale anyway from baileys...lol.. So the sprocket from a cs400 will fit huh?
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 24, 2015, 07:49:58 pm
Your saw? http://www.ereplacementparts.com/echo-cs450-45cc-chain-saw-parts-c-35043_35970_160062.html

You have small or standard rim?  I just put a 3/8 7T on a saw. Works fine.   See if your 45cc can pull the 3/8LP with 7T.

I dont know anything about cross referencing this saw.  @mountainlake might know
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 24, 2015, 09:04:49 pm
It pulls the .325 with authority, i have done a MM and tuned the carbed on it, it rips. And to be honest i dont no if it is a standard sprocket how can i tell i know they make a conversion for it to go 3/8 full so im assuming that 3/8 full sprocket would work on a LP size chain, cause there both 3/8's. I honestly think i can mod the sprocket tip on that bar, How long is that orange bar u have the LP on in the pics on the treehouse? If i can mod the sprocket nose on my bar would u make me a loop of 3/8 lp i would pay of coarse. ;D
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 24, 2015, 09:11:08 pm
This is small 3/8 7T and a 3/8LP chain.  I would bet yours is small hub too.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/201T/pppicco%20003_zpsio4muwcx.jpg)
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 24, 2015, 09:14:12 pm
Yea i think it is..small hub...i was looking at the cs400 clutch drum its a 6t but i would have to see if it would fit on my saw and the only way i see that is to buy it and try/mod to see if it would take. ugh..grr...lol
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 24, 2015, 09:16:12 pm
Ok i think the sprocket i can do . What do u think about the 20'' bar the bar i have is .50 gauge but so is the 3/8 lp i wanna run, Do you think it is possible to mod the nose sprocket?
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 24, 2015, 09:49:09 pm
Yes i went and checked cut4fun and it's a small spline
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: mountainlake on September 25, 2015, 05:34:04 am
 
 After you find the right sprocket I'd just buy a CS400 bar with the 3/8 lp, I think if you go with the 3/8 lp 6 tooth your going to be stuck with a spur sprocket, no rim sprocket with 6 tooth and I wouldn't bother changing from .325 7 tooth  to a 7 tooth 3/8 lp as they cut about the same.   Steve
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: leec on September 25, 2015, 10:29:00 am
Just sharpen your existing chain and carry on!  Life is too short.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun on September 25, 2015, 12:33:52 pm
What is the bar mount on this 450p?   My echo 3900 is k095 and set up with 325. I bought a 12" 3/8LP for it from LCS. 

http://leftcoastsupplies.com/?s=gbf+bar&post_type=product
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 06:09:16 pm
Thanks, for all the help cut4fun...Your awesome.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 06:11:47 pm
It says it will fit on the cs400 so im assuming it will fit on my 450p , i believe that is what mountainlake told me...
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 06:25:42 pm
Yours A041?  That is like the 20" in my pics. Odd my 3900 was K095 A095
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 06:30:43 pm
no its not a A041 But a toro chainsaw that i have that dont work it fit and oil holes lined up.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 06:33:21 pm
my sprocket is 3/4 ID. bar number is 200GLGK216
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:09:27 pm
Why not get a 3/8LP bar?

I just seen where these show to work?  Echo: CS-400EVL , CS-440, CS-440EVL, CS-450, CS-450P, CS-500P , CS-520, CS-530, CS-550P

I havent a clue so check.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:11:57 pm
Other saws to look at for bar type.

Echo: CS-400EVL (.325" Pitch), CS-440, CS-440EVL, CS-450, CS-450P, CS-500P (.325" Pitch), CS-520, CS-530, CS-550P (.325" Pitch)
Efco: 147, 152, 156 (.325" Pitch), 962
Fairmount Hydraulic: 38568, 43177, 43178, HCS513, HCS516, HCS520, HPS513, Limblopper
Hitachi: CS40EA
Homelite: 130, 150, 150A0, 290, 300, 340, CS50, d3350b
Husqvarna: 133, 136, 137, 140, 141, 142, 154, 234, 235, 238, 240, 242, 246, 254, 257, 260, 261, 262 XP, 33, 336, 339 XP, 340, 345, 346 XP, 350, 351, 353, 36, 38, 40, 41, 42, 435, 44, 440, 444, 445, 45, 450, 450 Rancher, 455, 455 Rancher, 49, 50, 51, 543 XP, 545, 55, 55 Rancher, 550 XP, 555, 560
JohnDeere: CS46, CS52, CS56, CS62
Jonsered: 2036 (.325 Pitch), 2040 (.325 Pitch), 2041 (.325 Pitch), 2045 (.325 Pitch), 2050 (.325 Pitch), 2051 (.325 Pitch), 2054 (.325 Pitch), 2055 (.325 Pitch), 2063 (.325 Pitch), 2141 (.325 Pitch), 2145 (.325 Pitch), 2149 (.325 Pitch), 2150 (.325 Pitch), 2159 (.325 Pitch), 2163 (.325 Pitch), 370, 410, 420, 425, 435, 440 (.325 Pitch), 45, 450, 451, 49, 490, 50, 51, 510, 52, 520SP, 521, 525, 535, 590, 941, CS 2040 (.325 Pitch), CS 2147 (.325 Pitch), CS 2150 (.325 Pitch), CS 2152 (.325 Pitch), CS 2153 (.325 Pitch), CS 2156 (.325 Pitch), CS 2159 (.325 Pitch), CS 2163 (.325 Pitch), CS 2240 (.325 Pitch), CS 2245 (.325 Pitch), CS 2250 (.325 Pitch), CS 2252 (.325 Pitch), CS 2253 (.325 Pitch), CS 2255 (.325 Pitch), CS 2258 (.325 Pitch), CS 2260 (.325 Pitch)
Makita: DCS430, DCS431, DCS520i, DCS6000i
Maruyama: D176-PL11, D176-PS11
McCulloch: 2046AV, 2049AV, 46, 4700, 4900, 5000, 5500, MS1849, MS1850, MS2046, MS2049, MS2050, PM1845AV, ProMac 40, Silver Eagle 2818, Silver Eagle 3020, TimberBear20
Olympyk (Oleo-Mac): 941, 945, 950, 951
Partner: 410, 540, P-360, P-400, P-450, P-500, P-5000, PS-510 (.325)
Pioneer: 1074, P-21, P-26, P-28
Poulan/PoulanPRO: 235, 240 (.325 Pitch), 325, 525, S35
RedMax: G390, G450AVS, G455AVS
Sears/Craftsman: 35084, 35201
Shindawa (SDK): 5000
Solo: 613, 614, 631, 632, 638, 639, 641, 644, 645, 647, 650, 651, 651SP (.325" Pitch), 651SP, 652 (.325" Pitch), 654 (.325" Pitch), 656 (.325" Pitch)
Stanley: CS05, CS06
Tanaka: ECS-4000, ECS-4000B, ECS-415, ECS-4501, ECV-4501, ECV-5601, TCS 40EA
Troy Bilt: TB4620, TB4920, TB5018, TB5020
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 07:34:53 pm
i bought the GB bar you showed in the link it was only 7 bucks.
I didn't know were to get a 3/8 lp bar in a 20'' untill you showed me the link.
I also ordered rim sprocket for 3/8. now all i need is a loop of 3/8 lp.
All the saws you posted up on there are saws with the or will work with the A041 mount?
I'm about to give u my phone number so i can talk to you about all this cause my fingers are hurting...lol
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:42:25 pm
I am just searching online just like you could too. I have no clue just what I am reading,  just some down time till I sleep and work some more.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:43:34 pm
mountainlake what is his bar mount?
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 07:50:34 pm
 :-\ i have been searching i just don't know all the secret squirrel websites to find stuff like you do. my mount is a K216
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:52:59 pm
Thank You I seen that but never seen it before. Thanks for confirming.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:55:16 pm
Just read this on K216 mount. True or not I do not know.

 Oregon list for North and South America the K216 bar mount. However, for example the U.K., it is listed as using the K041 bar mount. ?
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:55:39 pm
Pic of a K216 bar mount?
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 07:57:23 pm
A041 and K041 with K being little wider at rear. http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/14711d8004b6ea7c88256e0c0001ff32/c2f1695639b298fe88256e0e001e9f1f?OpenDocument

(http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/14711d8004b6ea7c88256e0c0001ff32/c2f1695639b298fe88256e0e001e9f1f/Body/0.84?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif)



Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 07:57:38 pm
From what i know A041 is pretty universal from what i am seeing. I ordered the GB bar 20'' LP . I came here for help cause i called baileys and they told me no one makes a 20'' bar in LP. But i guess there dumb cause in one day i found and ordered one. This site is cool, were are all the echo nuts at???
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:03:03 pm
tried to post a pic from my phone and it says the pic is to big...grrrr
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:06:21 pm
Here is k216
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 08:06:55 pm
tried to post a pic from my phone and it says the pic is to big...grrrr

email to me or use tapatalk. It suppose to resize to post direct I think. 

PM if need email
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 08:07:58 pm
Is that a oiler hole in bar I see?

(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5216.0;attach=15232;image)

Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 08:09:03 pm
If so K041 A041 will need to be drilled for it if the bar adjuster hole dont line up with oiler area on mount pad.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:09:48 pm
the two vertical holes are oil holes and so is the little one with saw dust in it...
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:14:16 pm
auhhhh i see what your talking about. the drilling holes thing is what im referring to ....
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:20:00 pm
My saw uses the little oil hole.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:20:34 pm
Cut4fun.....Thanks for the help i really appriciate it...
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 08:21:32 pm
If so drill. K095 looks like it would have worked.

K041 A041 20" top and K095 12" middle both 3/8LP

(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5192.0;attach=15116;image)
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 08:22:51 pm
Maybe the bar adjuster holes are different locations a hair on K216 then K095 and more like K041?

Nothing a drill and a round file cant fix.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 25, 2015, 08:24:40 pm
.325 starting to look so easy right now aint it. Dang gave myself a brain ache.  :P
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:25:54 pm
im going to post a pic of the toro bar the oil holes on it line up but the bar adjuster is just a smidgen off...lol..
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:29:27 pm
Here is some pics of my echo n that bar of the toro
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:32:01 pm
.325 is over rated....lol....I have been wanting to switch it over since i bout this echo....Does the 450p have a carb restricter.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 25, 2015, 08:50:38 pm
I climb and use this saw in the tree alot of times , that is probably the biggest reason for switching to 3/8lp.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 26, 2015, 11:41:18 am
 ;D Thanks for all your help Cut4Fun.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 26, 2015, 11:59:09 am
What drive link should i run its a 7pin rim. From what i have read in your other forums im thinking of ordering a 69dl. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on September 27, 2015, 09:09:15 pm
Well if anyone cares?  ;D    I ordered a 69Dl loop of stihl chain full chisel, And a 3/8 7pin rim, 20'' GB bar .050, I will keep everyone updated. Thanks to everyone for the help.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on October 06, 2015, 12:20:36 am
A041 mount fits perfect on the 450 . Even the oil/bar adj holes line up. Just waiting on the chain to post up a vid, those GB bars are nice im impressed with it thus far.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 06, 2015, 11:58:35 am
I missed the 2 post before this.  Let me know on the 69dl. That would be my guess with that 20" bar and 3/8 7. 
After 68dl was to short and 70dl is just tad long but usable on my poulan.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on October 06, 2015, 02:00:56 pm
K ill let you know.  ;D
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on October 06, 2015, 09:53:51 pm
69 DL was perfect.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on October 06, 2015, 10:18:25 pm
These gb bars are nice. My first one I have owned.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on October 06, 2015, 10:23:43 pm
20" GB bar .050 69DL  63ps 3/8 7pin and it was blowing through 16" pine like crazy. Yellow southern pine . Still a tad rich I can lean her out but I like it to four stroke immediately with no load. Has anyone ever played with timing on these echos?? Just wondering how they respond.....
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 12:48:07 pm
20" GB bar .050 69DL  63ps 3/8 7pin and it was blowing through 16" pine like crazy. Yellow southern pine . Still a tad rich I can lean her out but I like it to four stroke immediately with no load. Has anyone ever played with timing on these echos?? Just wondering how they respond.....

I have always read echo respond to muffler modding well to be so clogged up from factory. 

Cool on 69dl being dead on fit.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 12:50:54 pm
Just so you know. These GB's arbor bars etc are not near as good compared to the real GB made bars (Gb pro top GB Ti ).  Dont use these cheaper made bars to compare to the real GB is all I am saying.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Eccentric on October 07, 2015, 03:34:11 pm
Just so you know. These GB's arbor bars etc are not near as good compared to the real GB made bars (Gb pro top GB Ti ).  Dont use these cheaper made bars to compare to the real GB is all I am saying.

I was wondering about that....
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 07, 2015, 03:48:01 pm
Just so you know. These GB's arbor bars etc are not near as good compared to the real GB made bars (Gb pro top GB Ti ).  Dont use these cheaper made bars to compare to the real GB is all I am saying.

I was wondering about that....

They are cheaper foreign made bars Aaron.
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: aclarke on October 07, 2015, 03:53:21 pm
I bought a bunch of the cheapo GB bars for ms200 & 201's. Climbing saws, Tip bearing blew out of all the bars in a week. Crap product....
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: ch74 on October 07, 2015, 09:21:37 pm
Sorry to hear about the bearings. I'll keep that in mind and grease them more often.... ;)
Title: Re: echo 450p
Post by: stubnail67 on November 18, 2017, 10:38:03 pm
this was what i wanted to know.... i may as well order a narrow kerf bar and chain from baileys they show an 18 inch that fits a cs 500p so i am sure it will work on the cs 490....i was thinking i could slap a different rim and a cs 400 18 inch bar and it would scream... but i will take mountain lakes word its not worth much speed.... think its like 34 bux plus shipping.... heck i may see how the stock 20 will do after i open the muffler up.....thanks CR for the help... took alot of the leg work out for me.... thanks!