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Title: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: quietrangr on November 13, 2011, 01:53:58 pm
I got the microlite pro, (now name changed to Pro-lite Plus), and put it on my 361 with a 9 tooth sprocket, only one available. It cut like crazy, and smooth as silk, but within two or three tanks, the bar groove had worn wide, and the chain flops to the side in soft wood. Even a brand new chain slops side to side in the bar. My Husqvarna branded narrow kerf bar has no problems like that; I've been using them for six months on a 346. The Stihl is using enough oil. I came across this one other time with a cheaper bar. Is there a good narrow kerf bar for the Stihl standard mount?
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 13, 2011, 07:33:53 pm
9T 3/8?
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: quietrangr on November 15, 2011, 07:45:10 pm
No, 9T .325. I'm pretty sure narrow kerf setups come only in .325.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 15, 2011, 07:51:49 pm
I have no clue. Never ran a saw or seen a saw with narrow nerf.  What exactly is it?

I did get a trim saw with .043 stuff and I pulled the whole set up off.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: bloodontheice on November 17, 2011, 01:27:38 pm
I've heard narrow kerf referred to but I've never seen one in person or in pictures.
So I'm assuming the teeth of the chain are narrower than standard, and running .325 x .050 gauge
Is the width of the bar itself narrower too?
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Cut4fun on November 17, 2011, 03:04:11 pm
I was hoping the OP would shed some light on this so us unknowing types had a clue.

So what is this narrow kerf stuff?  Info man info.................................... ::)


Just searching for info to try and understand.

narrow kerf technology. Narrow kerf saw chain makes your chainsaws cut faster with less power, because both the bar and chain have been streamlined to a thinner size.

Husqvarna Depth Gauge Tool for .325 Narrow Kerf Pitch Chainsaw Chain
Works with the following Chainsaw Chain:

    * Carlton K1NK, K1NK-BL
    * Husqvarna H30, S30
    * Oregon 95VP
    * WoodlandPRO 20NK

Blood this link shows a pic of  the kerf like you are talking about.   http://www.oregonchain.com/pdf/misc/MicroLiteBroch.pdf
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on November 17, 2011, 05:23:25 pm
Tried narrow kerf, don't like it for 2 reasons.
Chain is not chisel style and not tough enough for my type of work.
95VP is the best of the lot.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Old Iron Logging on November 17, 2011, 05:37:17 pm
As far as bars go, I have never found a good narrow kerf bar for Stihl.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: quietrangr on November 18, 2011, 06:26:55 am
Thanks for your replies, everyone. Hadn't checked here for a few days. Yes, narrow kerf chain cuts a narrower band of wood than the standard .325. The bars are also narrower. I was using a 361 with lgx 3/8 .50, then switched to the 346 with narrow kerf 95 vp and 95 vpx, (the low vibe version of 95vp). In a 14 inch aspen cut the 346 was three seconds slower than the 361 (13 and 16 seconds), and that was little enough time lost for me to switch to the smaller saw. (I haven't done a timed cut between a 3/8 standard and .325 narrow kerf on the same saw, but just in general, the 361 seemed much faster and smoother with the narrow kerf than the 33rsc (3/8) Stihl chain.) The narrow kerf setup weighed .7 lbs less than the 3/8 setup. The chains last me about three weeks compared to the 3/8 at about ten days in use of about six to seven hours a day. Considering the weight difference between the 361 and 346, the whole saw and narrow kerf setup was two pounds lighter than the 361 3/8 setup. So, I didn't have the same experience as Old Iron. I really like the chain, and the Husqvarna narrow kerf bars hold up fine, but would like to find a good quality narrow kerf  bar to run on the Stihl. It looks like I'm maybe out of luck because the Oregon Microlite bars, as I mentioned in the original post, don't hold up.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: HolmenTree on December 12, 2011, 08:51:23 am
I have found the best application for the narrow kerf .325 H30 / Oregon 95VP is on my 2 top handle saws, Husky 338XPT and Stihl MS200. The beauty about the 338XPT .325 setup is it has a rim sprocket , the MS200 only has a .325 spur drum available.
I use the Husqvarna narrow kerf bars on both the 200 and 338.
I prefer the micro chisel [semi chisel] as a work chain. Holds a excellent edge for the long run. I have tried the H30 / 95VP on my 346XP and found it was more agressive and "seemed" to cut faster then the chisel 20LP. Now Oregon has introduced the 95VPX with more efficent top plate angles and is said to cut 15% faster then the old 95VP.
For the "bigger" Stihl 361 why not just use .325 20LP with 9 pin and forget about the narrow kerf setup?
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: HolmenTree on December 14, 2011, 11:38:22 pm
I've been getting a few e-mails of guys who tried the .325 on their top handle saws and are saying the only complaint is the chain stalls in the cut easily.
Well I can admit when I first switched over to .325 I was so used to pushing on the former 3/8 LoPro,that now with the dogs set with the .325 's aggressive bite I had the same problem.
Of course with guys who "one hand" a top handle saw use the dogs. But get used to the new aggressive bite of the .325, let the chain do the cutting.

For the guys who "properly" use these saws with 2 hands ,get rid of the dogs.
People have to realize that running a top handle saw aloft doing aerial work, the bar /chain is usually inches away from your face and upper body.
 Another reason why Stihl put all the safety links on the new aggressive Picco chisel sawchain, knowing alot of climbers cut 1 handed.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 22, 2013, 04:00:52 pm
Is there a good narrow kerf bar for the Stihl standard mount?

 WoodlandPRO Narrow Kerf Chainsaw Bars

Anyone tried these?   http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=WPC+18+SS50&catID=   
http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=WPNK+18+SS50&catID=

more with universal mount it says.  http://www.baileysonline.com/search.asp?SKW=wpnk&catID=13101

Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: HolmenTree on July 22, 2013, 08:12:26 pm
Never heard of a narrow kerf bar with a standard 240- 660 Stihl mount, in fact never saw a Stihl narrow kerf .325 chain.
 
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 22, 2013, 09:04:41 pm
Never heard of a narrow kerf bar with a standard 240- 660 Stihl mount, in fact never saw a Stihl narrow kerf .325 chain.
 

http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=WPC+18+SS50&catID

http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=WPNK+18+SS50&catID

Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: HolmenTree on July 22, 2013, 11:01:31 pm
Good to know ,thanks.
wonder why Stihl don't make their own?
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: cowroy on July 23, 2013, 10:22:06 am
Wish you hadn't posted that link. Now I want to sell the brand new 16" 3/8 bar for my 026 and get the 18" .325 NK bar. I always like more reach.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: rburg on July 23, 2013, 05:05:50 pm
I run a 20" arbor pro nk bar with 20nk chain on my 350 and it works well. I believe the 260 would like it as well.
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Al Smith on July 23, 2013, 09:41:00 pm
So what is narrow about this narrow kerf business .Is the bar itself a tad thinner?

As far as that's concerned I have a 12" .043 bar for the 200T which is a tad faster than the standard 3/8".050 low profile semi chisel chain but it isn't faster than the newly out low pro chisel .That itty little .043 is a tad bit skinier than .050 so by definition the kerf is less .
Title: Re: is there a good narrow kerf standard mount bar for stihl?
Post by: Philbert on October 04, 2013, 10:49:37 pm
Oregon calls it 'Micro-lite', Husqvarna calls it 'Pixel'

http://www.oregonproducts.com/pro/products/bars/microlite.htm

Simply means that a smaller bite takes less power.  Or a saw with the same power will feel like it has a little more.  It came on my Husq 353 and I have been happy with it.  Oregon 95, Husq H30.  Baileys NK.

These are all .325 pitch, .050 gauge, but there may be other combinations, now that we are seeing more of the 1/4" pitch and .043 chains with the battery powered saws.

Thinner bar flexes a bit more, and thinner chain means that it is not as robust (not recommended for larger saws or bars).  NK chain should be run with a NK bar, and vice-versa.

Similar to the narrow kerf circular saw blades that they began selling for table saws many years ago.

Philbert