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Title: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on July 23, 2016, 10:58:34 pm
Started looking for a lathe to do primarily cylinders pistons.  Need a recommendations.  Found this on CL in my area.  http://asheville.craigslist.org/tls/5688091426.html  http://charlotte.craigslist.org/tls/5691668958.html
https://athensga.craigslist.org/tls/5686202527.html I'm liking this last one.
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: mdavlee . on July 24, 2016, 10:13:02 am
The jet would be my pick if you can afford it. The 6" swing is almost too small on some larger cylinders.
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Post by: dannyupsolate on July 24, 2016, 07:22:18 pm
i like the jet. my old logan makes me wish for quick change gears like the jet has.
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Post by: weimedog on August 13, 2016, 06:09:16 am
Jet has been around a long time. Good stuff for the money. I personally like the history so the Logan's and South bends will be next on the list when the Atlas  (Craftsman) runs its course. Something with at least 10inch swing and 24in between centers is more than enough and there are a lot of them out there. Having a tail stock is a must and having both a three and four jaw chuck a good start as well. Definitely go for quick change tooling. I was able to acquire and tool up that Atlas for under $1000. That was a goal. Next one will have a little more size & power.
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on November 14, 2016, 10:27:30 pm
What do ya'll think about this:  http://nwga.craigslist.org/tls/5835250246.html  It's only 45 min from me.  I'm thinking high on the money.
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: mdavlee . on November 15, 2016, 04:24:51 pm
That is smaller than my lathe and it's a 9x19. That will be a little small for some big cylinders.
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on November 15, 2016, 05:38:24 pm
You don't want that thing .The only things worth buying on that sale are the tools and boxes .

For that amount of money you could buy a nice Southbend  lathe and a real Bridgeport mill .Keep looking .
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on November 15, 2016, 06:01:15 pm
Thanks guys!!  Did a little research this AM agree w/ya'll.  Will keep looking.
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: EHP on November 15, 2016, 07:30:25 pm
Shep, if it was me I would want at least a 12 inch swing , main reason is the chucks to hold cylinders and stuff work better , the 9 inch or 10 inch you always seen so close to where the chuck does not want to hold the stuff , you end up swapping the jaws around all the time in the chuck and I found the bigger lathes cut closer to spec
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: mdavlee . on November 16, 2016, 07:01:31 am
I hope to upgrade to a gunsmith lathe in the next year myself. The 9x19 grizzly has served me well.
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Post by: EHP on November 24, 2016, 10:40:24 am
One thing I also do is if parts are small then buy a real good smaller chuck and made a mandrel to mount it on that can be held by the larger chuck on your lathe , it saves a lot of switching stuff around and is accurate . I machine a set of jaws on my larger chucks as well to help with holding saw parts
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: dannyupsolate on November 24, 2016, 01:46:33 pm
 I use a drill chuck in my 4 jaw.
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Post by: mdavlee . on November 24, 2016, 09:00:51 pm
That's a good idea. I'll have to get that set up
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Post by: Al Smith on November 27, 2016, 05:52:48 am
An  amusing thing about chainsaws might be the irregular shapes and peoples ingenious methods of machining them .Some times it takes longer to make the holding fixtures than it does to machine the part.
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: EHP on February 12, 2017, 02:02:02 pm
that is true as I have seen me spend a lot of time to get a holder built do make machining  a part easy , if your doing lots of that same part then its worth it but when your doing pretty much one of a kind stuff it sometimes hardly seems worth it
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on February 12, 2017, 04:47:21 pm
I've seen pictures of really ingenious methods of mounting cylinders,bore side out to cut the chambers down and some crude as a fence post that seemed to work .I myself have never delved into it but I have a theory yet to be proven .By using a grooved face plate with a center and using studs .It would still take month of Sundays to dial in the part so it turns true .Probably two hours to tram it in and 15 minutes to make the cut .
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: mdavlee . on February 13, 2017, 09:57:59 pm
Took me over an hour to cut one on a lathe with a plate studs and independent 4 jaw. I cut by hand in about 15-30 minutes
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on February 14, 2017, 05:16:12 pm
I can't say aye or nay on cutting down the chamber .I'm not fully convinced it's the way to go .However should I ever try it I believe I could do it better with a milling machine than a lathe .

Again though you have to problem of how to mount the work piece .Not impossible of course just takes some time to think it through .
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Post by: mdavlee . on February 14, 2017, 06:51:51 pm
It's not bad with a plate and 4 studs. Just takes forever to get zero runout up and down the bore. Best thing is if you wear out a piston you can put a new one in without machine work
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: EHP on February 16, 2017, 11:03:59 am
Im abit slow ok but this is what I did , I turned down a piece of alum. in a 3 jaw chuck , spun alum down so the its tight to bore size of jug, , with jug mounted on alum using the bore to be centered I then drilled the 4 holes that once threaded will hold the cylinder to the alum. so if you want to cut the squish band you can, its not perfect but it has you very close to center to start with
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on February 16, 2017, 03:46:01 pm
A long time ago Cahoon had a cage like affair either chucked up in a 4 jaw or mounted to a face plate,forgot which  to mount a cylinder bore side out
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: mdavlee . on February 16, 2017, 05:06:26 pm
Im abit slow ok but this is what I did , I turned down a piece of alum. in a 3 jaw chuck , spun alum down so the its tight to bore size of jug, , with jug mounted on alum using the bore to be centered I then drilled the 4 holes that once threaded will hold the cylinder to the alum. so if you want to cut the squish band you can, its not perfect but it has you very close to center to start with
Never thought of doing it that way.
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: adam32 on February 16, 2017, 09:34:45 pm
Why not just a fly cutter for the squish band?
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Post by: dutchsawdoctor on February 23, 2017, 01:58:40 am
 ;D

wrong post....sorry
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on April 27, 2017, 10:47:19 pm
What do you guys think about this one?  https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/tls/6047950919.html
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: mdavlee . on April 28, 2017, 08:02:49 am
Might be tight between centers but the swing is fine. Be a good piece of old iron.
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on April 28, 2017, 06:02:52 pm
Another one https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/tls/6084586264.html
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on April 28, 2017, 06:55:44 pm
The Hardinge is probably  the better of the two as far as accuracy .It,the  English CVA and USA  Monarch 10" EE are highly sought after toolmakers lathes .18" between centers is fine for chainsaw work but a little short for many other tasks .FWIW the CVA is almost a carbon copy of the Monarch .Both I think are 20" between centers ,the Monarch will swing 12.5"

A suggestion ,if you are unsure of what you are buying take a knowledgeable person with you and make certain you see it run under power before you buy it .No power,the price really drops .
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on September 16, 2017, 09:19:06 am
Just found this on local CL https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/d/12-craftsman-commercial-atlas/6286517446.html  Have call in to buy. 
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: mdavlee . on September 16, 2017, 01:19:10 pm
That is nice. Would be about perfect
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: hseII on September 16, 2017, 01:36:24 pm
Just found this on local CL https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/d/12-craftsman-commercial-atlas/6286517446.html  Have call in to buy. 
Shep
That is Nice!!!
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on September 23, 2017, 07:55:25 pm
If everything goes as planned will have it in a week to 10 days. The seller has agreed to deliver (he is about 1 1/2 hrs. from me) just need to work  out the details.
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on September 27, 2017, 08:37:55 pm
Things came together rapidly.  He delivered lathe today.  Looks better than pics.
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: 3000 FPS on September 27, 2017, 11:09:07 pm
Well Shep when you get it all set up we will need some pics.     Congrats that is very cool and you will be turning things for a lot more than chainsaws.
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on October 03, 2017, 09:52:42 am
Need help on boring bar.  Randy (MM) says http://www.ajaxtoolsupply.com/dodoinbobars.html?cmp=googleproducts&kw=dodoinbobars&gclid=Cj0KEQiA3t-2BRCKivi-suDY24gBEiQAX1wiXEADRc_ooI673JhJVzW7tw5sUkC1BW_f3Fz02RKF4PQaAlON8P8HAQ this is what to get.  Don't want to spend that kin of money if I don't have to.  He is using a Kennametal bar saw it in a thread.
Shep 
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on October 05, 2017, 08:02:08 am
You can  make boring bars but it helps to have a milling machine .I've made them,modified discarded CNC tooling etc .My best is a modified insert type CNC drill that uses triangle carbide cutters .
If you want to try it let me know as I have some pictures of same some place if I can find them ,It's not a question of if but rather where they are .
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on October 05, 2017, 09:10:43 pm
No milling machine.  Am a novice on lathe and tooling.  This is something I have wanted to learn how for a long time.   Will probably have lots of questions.
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 20, 2017, 08:24:13 pm
lathe  12×20   $250   I dont need  but letting you guys know.



Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 20, 2017, 09:48:37 pm
Never seen something like above and I used some old stuff back in school. Anyone have a idea?
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: pete on December 21, 2017, 05:45:51 am
I would say a gearbox from a car or truck has been used too get the extra gearing gearstick base seems visible in pic my Dad used a similar system on many machines. On top you can see what seems to be an electric motor mounted behind the gearbox and driving a pulley on one end with a pully and belt on the other end dropping down to the large gear pulleys
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on December 21, 2017, 06:30:07 am
Looks like an old Southbend with a Lima drive .The Lima armature ,obviously from Lima Ohio built what they called over arm adaptors to convert old line shaft machines from previously line shaft driven .They just got the proper  sized motor and coupled it to a Ford Model A transmission.With a stepped vee belt pulley and the gears they could have many speeds .I've got a later Lima drive on one of my lathes circa 1912 .
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: dpjones on March 11, 2018, 10:47:14 pm
I got a craftsman 12 x 36 gear change lath, it's really an atlas. I found reciepts in tool boxes dated in the early 50's, I didn't get here till 1957. Also got a 1965 series one Bridgeport with some tooling. I just ain't smart enough to use it, self taught, I did learn how to cut threads.
DJ
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on March 12, 2018, 08:31:09 pm
You can pick up some tricks on the internet .I'm self taught also but my dad was a tool and die maker at one time .That plus I've been around metal working machinery about all my life so it comes easy for me .Just think it through before you make a cut,it's not a race .It's easy to take it off,it's quite another thing to put it back on .
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Post by: Cut4fun . on April 24, 2018, 08:21:39 am
Just sharing one I seen for sale.

Logan Lathe 14" swing All the tools go with it .$2200

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Post by: mdavlee . on April 25, 2018, 05:43:00 pm
Pretty good deal with all the extras
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Post by: Al Smith on April 26, 2018, 09:34:24 pm
Neat thing about a Logan is they use a variable pulley deal like a snowmobile drive allowing infinitely any speed .
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 27, 2018, 09:48:54 am
Another one local  :o

Sidney 18" lathe  $4,500


Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: farmboy on April 28, 2018, 10:17:38 pm
What collet sets fit a Craftsman/Atlas 12" x 36"?
Shep
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on April 29, 2018, 05:45:01 am
That Sidney was a fore runner of Monarch and built like a battle ship .That one is big enough to turn a drive shaft .
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on April 29, 2018, 06:08:28 am
It would depend on what type collet nose the Craftsman/Atlas has .Could be either number  2 or number 3 Morse taper or 5c collets .On the MT style they thread onto the drawbar with internal threads ,the 5c has external threads . I'm not certain what #3 MT has but #2 uses 3/8" 24 .
Number 2 MT only goes to about 1/2" ,also used on model M Bridgeport mills .5C goes up to I think 1 1/8 ".

Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Al Smith on April 29, 2018, 06:15:28 am
--and now a story of 5c collets .Big auction,liquidation of one of the local machine shops .I was trying to hear the auctioneer when this blabber mouth rascal got to ratchet jawing and I missed the largest set I ever saw.Every shape that ever made in 5c,must have been 80,round,hex,square,SAE and metric .40 bucks .I was a little miffed to say the least . >:(
Title: Re: Lathe for saw work
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2019, 10:18:52 am
Local to me.

No interest here. Just sharing if a local maybe interested.

$800

19" Leblond lathe.. 3 and 4 jaw chucks. 240v 3 phase. Sell or trade.. can load.