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Title: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2017, 08:48:24 pm
New fuel injected stihl 500i chainsaw just shown on my other CR group  8)    on right



Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 29, 2017, 09:07:52 am
Anyone else heard anything on this one?  Using their own numbers. Guessing around a 82cc  or is it like their concrete saw at 72.2cc too?
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on July 29, 2017, 01:20:16 pm
By the looks of the size of the muffler and dogs I'm thinking MS661territory.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on July 29, 2017, 01:29:33 pm
BTW there is a fuel injected MS662 being field tested in Malaysia for some time now.
But that's another story ;)
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 06, 2017, 04:45:49 pm
Just saving the cropped pic

Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on September 06, 2017, 11:40:09 pm
Excellent pic Cut. It's going to be a very interesting future what Stihl and Husqvarna are going to come up with. Seeing they're both high on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 16, 2017, 06:11:48 pm
Stihl injection chainsaw

Not sure which one but used 500i for pics to save off google.



Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on September 16, 2017, 08:57:31 pm
Awesome!!
Love the simple off button and primer bulb. :D
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 16, 2017, 09:42:04 pm
Per stihlmandan = On the TS500i, there is a primer bulb (Not purge bulb). It must be pumped before every start to ensure there is fuel right up to the fuel injector. If the new FI models coming out are using that same technology, then it would make sense that a bulb is there.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 20, 2017, 02:22:07 pm
Stihl has officially announced the new MS500i on today's press conference

pic
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 20, 2017, 02:32:45 pm
80cc  like I was hoping in beginning thinking 5 = 5ci or close.

 5 kW (6,8 hp) out from 80cm 6,2kg

Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on September 20, 2017, 02:58:49 pm
That is awesome and we have surprises almost every day.
I figured it was a bigger saw by the size of those dogs.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 20, 2017, 07:11:52 pm
https://www.forstpraxis.de/saegensensation-bei-stihl/

and saving a google translate part in pic.

Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: 3000 FPS on September 20, 2017, 11:18:57 pm
So then it is a direct injection right into the crankcase.    How cool is that.   It must be worlds smallest injector.   
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on September 21, 2017, 10:18:40 am
Yep SDI  (semi direct injection) right into the crankcase only requires low pressure and the injector is not exposed to the combustion  process.
Polaris had this in their sleds for years.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun on September 21, 2017, 01:26:44 pm
Good video showing how it all worked on the TS500i cut off saw. Just trying to learn what is on the updated MS500i.

Video is 5-6 years old

https://youtu.be/BYWvRnAB6BE
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Nathaniel Vansickle on September 22, 2017, 05:10:22 pm
IIRC someone posted on AS a year ago or so about all the issues with the TS injector and did a complete tear down of one to show all the components and where they fail. Better hope they worked the bugs out of it compared to those saws because a new injector  for them is $200
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 11, 2018, 09:28:30 am
This video is posted in the CR G.  Cant figure out how to download to repost here. But see if you can see it.

Stihl fuel injected chainsaw. Sorry not impressed with these cuts. Like something is wrong with it or something.

https://www.facebook.com/h.m.owen15/videos/10155913123176970/
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on February 11, 2018, 11:33:54 am
I wasn't impressed with the operator rocking and rolling it in the cut.
Looks like he ran it from cold.
Stihl UK site from Dec. 2017 says production starts in 2018 and available in Great Britain early 2019.
Best power to weight I've ever seen for a factory 80cc saw. 13.669 lbs.
MTronics specs sounds super hyper too.
Here's the video
https://youtu.be/cm-BgGTyLKc
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 11, 2018, 01:18:01 pm
OK how did you get that video to cross over?  I am tech stupid like that    :D   Oh I see now it is a youtube video you posted. Thanks

I know what the specs say. But dang that is a turd in those cuts on video JMO.  462 looked way better.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: HolmenTree on February 11, 2018, 03:18:11 pm
He just didn't give it time to warm up.
Looked cold to me plus he was prying on the dogs.
He didn't even get it up to WOT before he got it in the wood also. Probably some tough hardwood out of the Black Forest   :D;D
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Revpop on February 11, 2018, 11:18:00 pm
I think it could be a good thing if they can get away from the stratified engine design by using the fuel injection.  Wonder if still a strato?
Title: Re: Stihl 500i fuel injected chainsaw
Post by: Cut4fun on March 17, 2018, 08:46:26 am
Few more pics

Title: Re: Stihl 500
Post by: Cut4fun on March 25, 2018, 08:14:39 am
stihl 500

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on May 24, 2018, 11:22:52 am
Good video of the 500i. Latest one posted May15th.
Looks to be putting out lots of power for a 13.6 lb 80cc saw.
https://youtu.be/QIi42aDEVBw
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 24, 2018, 12:03:15 pm
Looks better then that first one for sure.  Hey got got to mow for a few more hours. Post the video in the CR-G too if you would. Thanks  @HolmenTree
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on May 24, 2018, 12:10:54 pm
Yep I posted it there. What I see is the saw is running too rich probably again not fully warmed up but still pulling good.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 22, 2018, 11:38:37 am
 Just read this Alex from a guy in Germany = Holzmachen magazine and they write that the MS 500i will be presented to the general public at the Interforst show in Munich, Germany on July 18th-22th 2018. Some markets, also Germany the 500i is already for some customers as limited version available for the beginning of the wood making season 2018/2019 (sounds like beginning of winter). The general release should be worldwide at the beginning of the next year. All this was in an article in the Holzmachen magazine. No warranty if that information is right or not.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: DNX800 on June 23, 2018, 04:49:49 am
Just read this Alex from a guy in Germany = Holzmachen magazine and they write that the MS 500i will be presented to the general public at the Interforst show in Munich, Germany on July 18th-22th 2018. Some markets, also Germany the 500i is already for some customers as limited version available for the beginning of the wood making season 2018/2019 (sounds like beginning of winter). The general release should be worldwide at the beginning of the next year. All this was in an article in the Holzmachen magazine. No warranty if that information is right or not.

lol that post was originally written by myself.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 26, 2018, 10:14:57 am
https://youtu.be/R1sB4LcRHY8
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on July 28, 2018, 11:08:31 am
The saw begins production in 2018 with the first models available in Great Britain in early 2019.

https://blog.stihl.co.uk/ms500i-exciting-new-chainsaw-generation/

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 15, 2018, 09:17:03 am
saving pics of one out being used.

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on September 15, 2018, 10:24:31 pm
The look of that 500i does grow on a guy doesn't it 8)
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on October 20, 2018, 10:34:30 am
https://youtu.be/b5M1-ZaaPPs
https://youtu.be/rQfwsVyBf7A
https://youtu.be/4V7EAk56GeA
Title: Re: Stihl 500i 462
Post by: Cut4fun on November 02, 2018, 08:58:18 am
https://youtu.be/nSZfmrAf59I
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on November 03, 2018, 12:16:33 am
Either one of those 2 saws will be the last saw I'll ever buy.
But I would throw away that E bar and put a 20" ES Light on it.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: jmester on November 05, 2018, 06:36:14 am
Kevin,
Did you happen to time those cuts. Looks to me like the 500I for the win. Sounded better as well
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 05, 2018, 07:28:23 am
No didnt time anything when I seen the wood.  72cc and 80cc would have like to seen 20-24 buried
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on November 05, 2018, 09:37:22 am
Now that the 462 is in Canada it will very interesting to see how ehp's turns out.
But he won't get one till next month when the Arctics come in.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 13, 2018, 03:11:00 pm
Might be the first crash victim. Posted on chainsaw repair group.



Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on November 28, 2018, 02:09:46 pm
Found this latest MS500i video by Skog Forum. Very nice video.
It shows the results after cutting spruce for 20 straight tanks , which is normally three straight 7 hour logging days.
Normally a logger would blow out the air filter after a 7 hour day to prevent overloading with dust and working its way through into the intake as the video shows.
https://youtu.be/yoNyZEjX2bs
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 06, 2018, 10:42:22 am
Think the same video above is in this read  https://www.forestry.com/editorial/equipments/stihl-ms-500i-test-first-chainsaw-fuel-injection/?fbclid=IwAR3LNP4SZYYA9ooW_mSFXROfACbQ3aEjCZ1yv22m0zPfKm-AqwS6OqCVoMw
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on December 06, 2018, 11:52:38 am
Think the same video above is in this read  https://www.forestry.com/editorial/equipments/stihl-ms-500i-test-first-chainsaw-fuel-injection/?fbclid=IwAR3LNP4SZYYA9ooW_mSFXROfACbQ3aEjCZ1yv22m0zPfKm-AqwS6OqCVoMw
Yes I made 2 comments on that thread.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on December 06, 2018, 08:27:53 pm
Here's a pic of the saw that had fuel injection 70 years ago in 1949.
 Semi diesel , could be dunked in a barrel of water and can still be started, with no carb runs in any position . Only weighed 18 1/2 lbs .
The Comet Model A from Norway.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on December 06, 2018, 10:18:15 pm
 Jonsereds from Sweden was later contracted by Rasmus Wiig to make parts for the Comet Model A.

Jonsereds eventually bought out Wiig and with a redesign started selling the Comet Model A as their first chainsaw in 1954. They crossed out Comet with a X and called their first 1954 chainsaw the  Jonsereds Model XA.
When they celebrated their first 30th anniversary in 1984, they made no mention their first chainsaw originally came from neighboring Norway. Here's some pics.

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on December 07, 2018, 09:38:04 am
I edited my last post with more information.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 07, 2018, 09:59:37 am
I edited my last post with more information.

You guys buried and frozen in yet?
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on December 07, 2018, 01:36:34 pm
I edited my last post with more information.

You guys buried and frozen in yet?
Yep for about the next 4 months.Lol
Lots of time to post stuff on saw sites and pull some wrenches.
How about you?
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 07, 2018, 02:13:11 pm
Was 11F this morning and just little snow cover a 1" or so. Nothing really. 
Long as it dont get down to -20F or so I am happy.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HUSKY KEV on December 16, 2018, 06:59:14 am
I really like the concept of fuel injection. Its just a shame more models are not available.
The 500i is way too large for my needs.
My largest saw is a MS260 with a 15'' bar
I expect that within the next 3 or 4 years we can expect more models with EFI.
If a saw similar in size to my 260 became available I would most likely consider buying one.

It also makes me wonder how long it will be before a redneck saw is made at home using the 500i system.
Maybe there is already an aftermarket EFI kit available
Title: Stihl 462 500 661
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 04, 2019, 04:36:31 pm
https://youtu.be/mTVOhYs2ZCI
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on February 22, 2019, 05:59:12 pm
https://youtu.be/yIs7MkBhMVA
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 10, 2019, 12:12:14 pm
saving so know where they are

also more info = They are now in stock in UK and here, UK discount price around 1000 euro plus tax and here 1250 euro. 

1000 = 1,131.95 usd
1250 = 1,414.94 usd

https://youtu.be/Cpt4Ip2l-zI
https://youtu.be/mhyk7x6faPE
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 14, 2019, 10:44:26 am
Guy in Germany.  Stock 500 and then ported 681 7901 390. Said he is getting a all stock saw comparison together next.

https://youtu.be/GaPtDQLTx0M
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 15, 2019, 08:00:37 am
https://youtu.be/rDy3weCJ6vk
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 16, 2019, 09:52:35 am
stig from Denmark =  The whole injection thing is just so different.

No choke or ˝ gas.
In order to cold start the saw, you press the bulb below the stop button maybe 8 times in order to build pressure for the injection.
I've yet had to pull more than twice to start the saw.

The pumping thing is only when it has been sitting for a longer time.
When I have been splitting wood it'll sit for ˝ hour or more and start right up on first pull, no pumping necessary.

It has incredible low end power, when you pressure it, it sort of settles down and just pulls through.
This is with an 8 tooth sprocket, mind.
To me it feels like a 661 with the agressiveness of a 70 cc saw.

My dealer came by today and cut firewood with the 462 and 500i.
He said the same thing, there is no comparison, it is a completely different animal.

I would love to see a torque curve for it, bet it is way flatter than other saws in this class.
It could almost fool one into thinking it was a 4 stroke.

I really love the 462, but this is a way better saw.

The timing is a bit weird, this coming right on top of the 462, which was in itself a big leap forward.

My dealer thinks it has something to do with Jonsered going out of the market and Husky having delivery problems on some of their bigger saws.
Also, they have been experimenting for a long time with this, guess they just got it ready.

I'm really looking forwards to taking this saw to the woods after Easter.



Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 20, 2019, 07:44:54 pm
https://www.stihl.com/STIHL-power-tools-A-great-range/Chainsaws/Petrol-chainsaws-for-forestry/288764-131/MS-500i-W.aspx
Title: Re: Stihl 500i 462 husky 572 dolmar 7910 all stock
Post by: Cut4fun on April 21, 2019, 08:25:31 am
Stihl 500i 462 husky 572 dolmar 7910 all stock  Guy from Germany Steph said 8T on all for a comparison sake.

https://youtu.be/OKzEikqi5QY
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on April 23, 2019, 01:30:15 pm
https://youtu.be/vQ7o5uur8ac
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on April 23, 2019, 01:42:33 pm
LOL he called it a heavy saw.    :o   Anything under 15 to me is light.   Wasnt this saw in high 13's.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 24, 2019, 07:17:50 pm
:o

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 24, 2019, 07:26:52 pm
Like seeing these numbers posted by Steph in Germany

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 01, 2019, 10:50:56 am
 Steph = 7pin vid with the 500i and the 462 (and a new and stock 390xpg)


https://youtu.be/Wp3_4hunAcI
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on May 02, 2019, 08:10:00 am
Another Dolmar 7910 and Stihl 500i owner overseas. Both wearing 8T.

Brand new Stihl MS500i. Establishing baselines between the two saws. The Dolmar has a relatively new piston and cylinder upgrade to 7910 (79cc). The Stihl is brand new out of the box. Running 20" ES Length bars on both with new out of the box Stihl RS chains.

IMO really bad comparison it seems. Even though both say new RS chain out of box. Sure appears one is self feeding better.  Maybe he will redo with same chain on both later.


https://youtu.be/RVu2ZwMKAEQ
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 03, 2019, 10:30:59 pm
ALFA Greece  Here's the skinny after spending some time with the MS500i. I put it through some decently tough usage today. The tree was already down so no felling action.

I got pretty good vids, I think, that will further give everyone an idea of where this saw is. It's through the 5th tank of fuel running 40:1 semi-synthetic and Oregon bar oil.

My point of doing the thread is to give everyone an honest bit of feedback. I don't like saw bias and I'm going to give this thing the same abuse I give my other saws. :)

Again, these are just my opinions for my cutting style. Both saws were ran with an 8-pin today.

My initial pros:
- Holds great RPM in the cut...it's got really good torque
- Doesn't seem to have AT/MT issues. In other words, if you run it out of fuel, it recovers instantly.
- Doesn't seem to have hot start issues. I got it HOT and no problem with restarts or leaning out. Weather was close to 85f today
- Ergonomics are good. You can work this saw for hours comfortably
- It's light for the displacement
- Fit and finish is clean
- Clears chips well

Initial cons:
- Still not liking the filtration...you'll see from the vids
- AV is on the soft side for long bars...24-25 is the sweet spot IMO...
- Fuel tank is small or it's not very efficient....gotta check the specs and see how much it holds
- Exhaust note is wicked annoying IMO

Grey area (time will tell):
- Durability--here because I haven't ran it enough to see what kind of abuse it can take
- Speed. Not the fastest saw....we may see it gain with break in time...
- Heat retention...it gets hot compared to other saws...excessive? We'll see...

This is not in anyway conclusive or scientific. The lists will grow with time......TBC

 500i Fuel capacity is 0,785l (MS 462 is 0,72l)  Dolmar/Makita 64/73/79xx hold 0.75 liter of fuel

https://youtu.be/c0_JynL1ntg
https://youtu.be/hB_WgC1BZCk
https://youtu.be/ltEzFMO2s-g
https://youtu.be/4pl39QqkEqA
     

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 03, 2019, 10:31:24 pm
another in states

https://youtu.be/Nugb9lY_kYs
https://youtu.be/nYnKBjIIwvw
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 06, 2019, 09:37:42 pm
Info posted by a guy that works for stihl in va. Take it for what it is. Just saving.



    I guess I will go ahead and give some facts on this saw to help dispel any myths or confusion about how it works. First of all I work for STIHL and I am not here to try to sell anybody anything but I do like working for STIHL and I like what we build and sell and I am not ashamed to say so.
    The MS 500i is based on what was learned from the TS 500i. If you can make fuel injection work on a concrete saw reliably then you have accomplished something. The TS runs around 10k RPM, but this saw is up around 13k so a bit more of a challenge.
    Here is how it works: pump the primer to build up pressure in the system. Once the engine is running fuel pressure is maintained with an impulse driven fuel pump with a dampner and a regulator. Pull the rope and the generator under the flywheel wakes up the computer (Electronic Control Unit). The ECU looks at the temp probe in the crankcase and compares the temp with the second probe in the kill switch. Now it knows if this is a cold start or warm start and adjusts fuel flow accordingly. There is no choke. Then it looks at the pressure sensor in the crankcase and sees the pressure go high when the piston is at BDC and low at TDC. This creates an up down signal that is then compared to the AC sign wave from the generator that is used as a tach and crank position sensor. So if the computer is happy with the input data then it cycles the injection valve. A 40hz square wave is used to open and close the injection solenoid at up to 30 times a second. The ignition system has variable timing. The fuel is released under the air-stream coming from the throttle body into the crankcase when the piston is almost at TDC, so operating pressure is around 1 to 1.4 PSI. The fuel is mixing with air in a negative pressure zone with a spinning crankshaft so atomization is complete before the mix enters the transfer ports. The cylinder is a delayed scavenge design so the port timing is such that a little of the blow down pressure from the combustion event pushes a bit of exhaust gas into the top of the 4 long, closed transfer ports to delay the incoming fuel charge just a fraction of a second to give the piston time to come up and close the ex port before any scavenge loss of fuel becomes excessive. For the EPA in USA 72 grams/kilowatt hour is the limit for this size engine and this saw comes in below that. This system automatically compensates for altitude, load, a dirty air filter and even variance in the quality of the fuel.
    Some interesting facts that I share when I teach the Gold schools that I have found most techs are not aware of: at 9500 RPM the spark plug fires 158 times in one second. So in one second we have gone through the entire two-stroke process 158 times. After 1 hour of full throttle operation at around 9000 RPM the crankshaft will make over 500,000 revolutions. At full throttle this saw will flow over 12 cubic feet of air per minute.
    This saws weighs about what a MS 362 does and has slightly more power than a MS 661, and as the man in the video said, it has really great throttle response. It truly is a wonder to cut with.
    I hope this explanation helps those that are interested in understanding this new technology a bit better.
    EA
     

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on May 15, 2019, 09:46:43 am
Pic curiosity of Brad in Ohio. PHO weight of the 500i. Already ported too.




Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on May 15, 2019, 12:19:36 pm
Brad's first cuts stock

https://youtu.be/93-VP0QJFhw

https://youtu.be/9Al6EZfpOpk
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 16, 2019, 07:53:55 am
Brad's ported 500 first try

https://youtu.be/4LcIt9_5ihw
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 16, 2019, 08:01:40 am
Brad's redo raised ext etc. ported try #2  Guy in the chainsaw repair group ask this. Brad said  = 91 E-free 32:1

https://youtu.be/F2bnwg4oxuA
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 17, 2019, 12:43:15 pm
Alf Greece 500  Gasket delete, opened the muffler some more and widened the exhaust port a bit.

before with muffler mod
1. cut MS500i 6,86 sec
2. cut MS500i 6,63 sec

after the mods
1. cut Ms500i 6,53 sec
2. cut MS500i 6,56 sec


https://youtu.be/8J_uNGycIAo



Alf Video from Wednesday or Thursday. After I had corrected the timing advance back to stock form.

after mods phase II
1. cut MS500i 7,26 sec



https://youtu.be/ywg6qGzk9tw
https://youtu.be/MKVIKIq3cbw
https://youtu.be/gLoUPMZKzaQ
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 20, 2019, 01:35:02 pm
another stock 500 US

https://youtu.be/lL5qOvG-qgs
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on May 21, 2019, 10:15:38 am
Info from video. First cuts this saw has made. 28” bar 3/8 full comp square chain and a 7 pin in a red oak log. US or Canada.


https://youtu.be/W8_4AYIeYBE
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on May 22, 2019, 08:40:25 pm
Stihl Canada spring sale flyer says MS500i available fall 2019.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 25, 2019, 11:39:09 am
Steph on the 462 500  =  IMHO using both of them quite a while and after lots of testing, i have to admit.... stock, the 462 is the more complete saw all around. Not much to no difference in power up to 25", better filtration, better av design, cheaper and it needs noticeable less fuel than the 500i (the 500i needs more fuel than a 661 with the same work load!).
The 500i is a great saw and maybe the future but right now it doesn't have any advantage being "fuel injected".
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 26, 2019, 09:25:11 am
 Owner of both saws in hardwood country US GA. = Since the 500 arrived I haven’t run my 462. In fact, I boxed the 462 up and put it away. The only problem I have with running them both side by side is that now the wife can see 2 shiny new saws and then questions must be answered.
I love the 500 btw, a huge Hickory fell in the night the week after it arrived. I have been wearing that tree out. It’s about 30” at the base and I’m working my way up to it. The 500 has more power/grunt out of the box and I think will make the better saw for the feller. The 462 while certainly a Pro saw will make a better “firewood gathering” type saw. I’ve run both saws with the same bar(25”) and RS chain.
I actually love them both. I can see the dust gathering.......on all my old Stihls.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 28, 2019, 01:36:25 pm
Alf the greek owns the 7910 and 500i.  Info he shared.

On AV =Similar to the 462. IT's much softer feeling than traditional Stihls. More in line with a Dolmar 79XX AV system, but a touch softer.

The 462 is a higher revving saw and a very fast cutter even stock. I've found that the 50oi is very impressive after porting. It suffers from clogged muffler design stock to meet EPA stuff, I assume.

The 500i has monster torque after muffler mod and break-in. It needs at least 10 tanks of gas to wake up. It won't be the fastest saw out of the box, which is what most folks are showing in the YT videos.

I've ported mine and it absolutely screams. Videos don't do it any justice. I wouldn't trade my 500i for a 462--this one is staying right here.



Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 29, 2019, 04:20:36 pm
https://youtu.be/CPiXWJaFPzs
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on June 04, 2019, 09:37:11 am
The read  https://www.forestry.com/editorial/equipments/result-long-term-testing-stihl-ms-500i/

https://youtu.be/H0LYA17kn-M

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 09, 2019, 11:51:45 am
https://youtu.be/DT1UcpjM77I
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: EHP on July 05, 2019, 09:25:27 pm
as soon as 1 comes to Canada I will have 1 to try and see how it works
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 06, 2019, 07:40:05 am
Last couple stihl 500i PHO seen shipped in were $1300 USD shipped.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 22, 2019, 03:58:49 pm
1 of 4 sent to US stihl dealers.   ST in my CRG works at one got to check it out.





Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on November 04, 2019, 08:06:25 am
Different = stihl 500i launch edition   only 500

 
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on November 04, 2019, 08:39:27 am
another launch edition.  Looks like it would be one for the collector types.

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 07, 2019, 11:18:22 am
Video shows how to overcome vapor lock in the heat.

https://youtu.be/fQuMB2Xeo-0
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 07, 2019, 12:32:23 pm
Steph from Germany =
I have to say, after all my testing with the 500i and comparisons against the 462, with 24" bar, same chain, 7 to 8 pin, fully buried, timed by video fps.... The 500i never was the faster saw. Maybe it has bit more low end torque (and fits better with bars above 28") but not "speed". So it depends on the purpose.

In my personal opinion, all in all, the 462 is the better all around saw. Way better filter, even lighter, almost same cutting performance (especially here in europe, 24" counts as long bar here) and my biggest point if you have to pay the fuel prices as a professional in germany, we have to use pricy alcylate gasoline by law for commercial work, the 500i is not your friend. It sucks more fuel per working hour than a 661!

For example, a half year ago i ported a 500i for a friend and professinal logger, he used the 500i as his all day worksaw because of the low weight (almost as light as a 562xp), he thought it would be the perfect "one saw plan" but the saw is so thirsty, the fuel consumption in comparison to his former 562xp was sky rocketing! 2.5 gallons were no rarity for a normal day in the woods!

Sure, the 500i is not a bad saw and maybe the future, but it comes with some deficits. The technology behind it works flawless, the 500i of my friend has over 400h on the clock (m tronic says). The injection gives you incredible throttle response and acceleration and helps with low end torque but it lacks some fuel efficiency (but im sure later version will change that someday).

Redbull video 

https://youtu.be/dac-ZxIjUWc

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 19, 2020, 11:02:55 am
Real world info I just read from  guy in Germany on stihl 500i =That is what I thought as well! I do not think that the saw would run much worse with a normal carburetor setup. I call it a solid feasibility study .

Just a little update from the 500i i've ported (3rd. fully ported 500i, if that point is important for someone ) in may 19 for a professional customer and friend of mine, the 500i was his set up for a "one-saw-plan" with the low weight specs. But the point that the saw sucks fuel like crazy (he also had a dealer for recalibrating after porting) shattered that plan! After 6 months of everyday use and easily 2.6 gallons a day with the 500i he switched back to his 50cc/70cc/90cc setup. Here in germany you have to use expensive pre-mixed alcylate fuel by law for commercial and professional use (~17$ per gallon), so that makes up to 40$ on fuel for the saw allone per day! Now he runs a 572xp, of course it's heavier and not as powerful as the 500i but it needs nearly half as much fuel per day for about the same amount of work done! Even a 661 needs less fuel with a normal carb.

He keeps the 500i, it's a rock solid saw so far, even with 50:1 pre-mix. The saw runs flawless, no issues and up to 600 hours on it now. But it's not that super perfect the hype around it would make you believe, it has some flaws with the filter and the high fuel consumption (especially with our high fuel prices in germany)

I'm still curious how the development will continue with injection.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: HolmenTree on January 19, 2020, 12:00:37 pm
Thanks that's good information about these new saws.
I'm not pulling the trigger on anything new for about a year from now.
Yesterday dealer here has a MS661 and MS462 on his wall. First time I ever held a 462 and I was the first to post a picture of it on the internet years ago. Hehe.
My 562XP and 066Magnums I'm hanging onto are my saws for now.
Got 2 bikesaws to build and that's where my money is going into...more fun doing it too.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 26, 2020, 03:53:00 pm
US price list

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 08, 2020, 06:34:02 pm
See that spot and tag.

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 08, 2020, 09:14:40 pm
Wow saws are sure getting expensive.   
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 09, 2020, 08:11:00 am
Wow saws are sure getting expensive.   

I priced a new dolmar 7900 PHO for $725. Guess what 79cc I would buy. ;)
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on February 09, 2020, 09:38:54 am
Cool pic posted in CRG from a stihl class.

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on June 27, 2020, 07:40:55 am
In US yesterday for sure at stihl dealers stihl 500i.

$1300 stihl 500i.  Southeast Minnesota.

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 06, 2020, 05:10:43 pm
WV dealer in CRG just sold one he got in.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 23, 2020, 03:03:13 pm
Neat pic with info marked from 2019

Dyno run compared to a stock 572 that was posted on CRG FB

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on August 26, 2020, 07:29:08 am
For the folks looking. I was curious since all I have seen was plain jane saws and half wraps to date. Havent found any R 3/4 listed yet. But did see the W heated handles was offered outside US.

11477903701  1147 790 3701  wrap for 500i

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 30, 2020, 09:42:24 am
CRG ysterday, R owner said they could order in 5 R 500 saws but couldnt get regular one ordered in.

pic



Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on October 12, 2020, 08:38:41 am
Wish this was a 7910 7900 compared to 500i. Least be in the same cc class. But here is a video of these two. 

https://youtu.be/rbFPafuiF8s
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Old Iron Logging on October 17, 2020, 08:07:04 pm
Saw feels really light, nice balance. $1595 up here.
Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 18, 2020, 07:20:59 am
$1186 PHO and here is with 20" up new prices I seen.

pho weight again

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 18, 2020, 07:23:22 am
462 500 still hoping for that 7900 ;)

https://youtu.be/KHmxBwEpIjA

Title: Re: Stihl 500i
Post by: Cut4fun on October 19, 2020, 07:49:56 am
Fuel injection but they forgot air injection.  :o :D   ::)

https://youtu.be/qDtkaoabbB0