Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Dolmar Makita => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on October 24, 2017, 10:16:17 am
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Looking for a Dolmar 9000 coil anyone? Trying to help someone find one.
Is this the right part number? 024143100 if so I may have found a new one.
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Is this right?
Ignition coil. Part number 024 143 051, 038 114 109, 038 114 270, 038114109
Fits Makita Dolmar 9000i, 9010i, PS9000i, PS9010i, PS-9000, PS-9010, 9000, 9010 and others
pretty sure this is what he needs Prufrex ignition coil and flywheel set. 024 141 200, 024141200, 024 143 020, 024143020 without the flywheel
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Saving the response from Nate on the CR group to here so not to get lost.
Nathaniel Vansickle
024142020 is correct # for 9000 but they arent available. best thing to do is upgrade to the 9010 flywheel/coil combo....better setup and a few extra rpm's IIRC. 957143010 is the number for the the 9010 combo. $186
Nathaniel Vansickle 024143051 is the 9010 coil and will not work with the 9000 flywheel
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Yeah the 9000 is limited way low. I sold the last 9000 I got just because of that
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I found a new 9000 coil but was 129 and 8 shipping. Told him better off doing the fly and coil swap.
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quick glance thru my notebook and the 9000 coil is limited around 11500, 9010 is 13000 or so.
I dont have allot of info on the 9000/9010 saws since they were mostly gone before i became a dealer, scott or steve would be better source of info.
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dolmar 9000 with bad coil
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Info from Scott
Dolmar 134
OK the Dolmar PS9000 was originally going to be named a 134 as introduced on the DEC 1990 front cover of "Chain Saw Age" a wee bit of trivia for ya.. When we first got the PS9000's they were a bit soggy in weight from what we were told they would be. That being said they ran OK but were governed through the coil at way to low of RPM. Then they came out with a unlimited coil for them and if everything was in tune they were better. But they ate quite a few coils and also I experienced quite a few seizures as well. The saw with the unlimited coil was a tad temper-mental everything had to be in tune for it to live and still today some still do.
Then Came the redesigned PS9010 and it had a different Flywheel, Coil, and a Tilloston carb instead of that damn Bing carb. Then the saw became reliable and it makes a great 28" - 48" saw if your only planning on a 20" or a 24" I would rather use the lighter PS7900. Both the PS7900 and the PS9010 turn 13,500 RPM but the hp and torque go up with the PS9010 from the extra displacement. The PS9000 can and should be upgraded to the PS9010 flywheel and coil as far as the carb change its not necessary but I prefer the Tilloston.
There has been many a rumor of a replacement for the PS9010 in the near future its been named the PS9900 I would love to see this but I'm not hearing anything good from the rumor mill as far as a ETA
Its my belief that the Bing carb could not keep up with the extra RPM's of the unlimited coil.
updated 9010 kit coil and flywheel 957143010
tilloston carb HS294a 024150010
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Dolmar 9000 muffler. Need a close up pic from the front if anyone has one.
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Dolmar 9000 muffler. Need a close up pic from the front if anyone has one.
JJ posted this one.
So factory has those 3 welds? top and both sides. Was looking at one today and was wondering about it.
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Did not realize these had a 42mm stroke. PHO weight right on this? 17.4lbs http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/12f042330674475688256d68004b0dec?OpenDocument
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Not the saw I am checking on but now can see the 3 welds I was asking about are oem.
pic of another one front on
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dolmar 9000 IPL Dolmar PS-9000 and PS-9010 Chainsaws 07 - 1993 http://www.barrettsmallengine.com/partslist/dolmarps9000ps9010.pdf
Dolmar 9010 IPL Dolmar PS-9010 Chainsaw 07 - 2002 http://www.barrettsmallengine.com/partslist/dolmarps9010.pdf
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Had to know what was up with this dolmar 9000 with known bad coil and pics sent to me show buggered up piston top.
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Tag has
PS-9000
93
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Guessing 93 means made in 1993?
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The rest of the piston looks so good compared to the top. Hopefully the jug can be saved
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The rest of the piston looks so good compared to the top. Hopefully the jug can be saved
psi felt great pulling over and everything seemed normal. = wondering if it is one of those deals where someone used a flat screwdriver as a piston stop.
Then again need to check butterfly little screws to see if still in them.
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That seems to be a common problem for people that have no idea how to remove clutches and stuff.
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File the piston from centerline out at an angle to "clean up" those edges...
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New meteor piston kit $38 shipped. If I was going to keep it for myself. Think it is sold to Jason. Then 2 more in line if he passes.
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Popped muffler off. I just smiled ;D. Cylinder looks like new. Not hurt. All that is on piston is detonation erosion on front lip part of top of piston. Not even all the way around.
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What causes detonation erosion anyway? Thanks for getting it.
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IMO running old mix.
Also got curious and pulled recoil cover, top cover, plug etc. Tested after regapping coil as I wanted to knw as 1 side looked tight. Reads low and then high some times. Mostly low.
top left recoil bolt not tight but there. So put plasic gage to make hold tight for you for now.
wrong plug in it but checked psi. I was huffed at 140psi and stopped pulling. cylinder again looked great through plug hole.
Looking in tank the end of fuel line deteriorated some and missing fuel filter.
somebody in past had been running 3/8 8T
air filter I thought looked like new.
Have pics but my dsl as been crap today.
only pics I could get resized on bf cr group.
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I seem to recall one of my stock stihl 084 had that same type of front top erosion on the piston. I ran it as it was no problems.
@adam32 was that the one you traded for and I had got from Adam?
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Being 52mm bore I was wondering about the piston specs. Meteor piston 44 12 X 33 X 8 Will try and find my 52mm piston thread to compare.
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bar studs modified to accept a stihl mount bar or what? looks like flats have been cut into them and pretty sure they are supposed to be round.
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bar studs modified to accept a stihl mount bar or what? looks like flats have been cut into them and pretty sure they are supposed to be round.
I put a d009 on it fit perfect but didnt look close. Will take a closer look now though. To see if there was space at bottom. Have a stihl mount here too to check.
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Dont know the saws to know what is what but D009 fits and D025 or whatever the stihl mount is 040 041 bar dont.
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both pics d009 top stihl bottom
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Going by this new stud pic sure appears someone had flat filed the ones on it though.
So mount was the 9000 9010 suppose to be? Big stihl 14mm or stihl 12mm or what? That one link shows d009 but they have been wrong before.
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stud location is for the 14mm mount and they modified the studs to accept a D009, wonder how many extra drive links that adds? the dimples in the clutch cover are the location for the D009 studs
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No clue here but even doing the dolmar 9000 in bar selector for oregon shows D009 mount. http://en.oregonproducts.com/pro/lookups/selguide.aspx?BusId=OCS&SellReg=USA&LangId=ENG
So some early like this 1993 different?
320RNDD009 Power Match® Bars 105 3/8" .050 7
320RWDD009 Power Match® Reduced Weight Bars 105 3/8" .050 7
Think I have a 20" 24" 28" 32" 36" on hand to see if my 72 84 93 105 119 fit like normal
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Contacted last owner to see what bar he pulled off of it. Only marking were G90R sandvik. Trying to get a pic.
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Nate had me pull the bar plate mount to see the husky and 14mm mount stud holes. Also in cover.
Mystery solved. Thanks Nate.
pic
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Never noticed that before.
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Are the holes stripped out for inner bucking spike on the case. Or is it just missing.
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Are the holes stripped out for inner bucking spike on the case. Or is it just missing.
I'll check today. Just assumed missing dawg.
Bar that was on it that I didnt get with saw. Last owner sent me pics.
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Nate you say 14mm studs with shoulders. But it dont even seem close with the stihl 12mm bar. So did those type bar studs take the 12mm or 14mm new like the one shown in page back.
Can you still get the husqvarna mount studs new through your channels.
Just all stuff I am wondering about. To learn.
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they were shouldered for 14mm mount
its been awhile but IIRC the holes in the case are different size too, you cant just move the studs, you have to purchase the correct studs for it to go to 009. Last time i messed with one has been 3-4 yrs ago. Guy pinched the bar as the tree fell and it busted the case out around the front stud so we switched it over to 009 mount studs, drilled the clutch cover in the new location and the guy was back on his way.
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Love learning new stuff. Thanks for sharing info.
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Are the holes stripped out for inner bucking spike on the case. Or is it just missing.
I'll check today. Just assumed missing dawg.
Bar that was on it that I didnt get with saw. Last owner sent me pics.
@jmester
Just missing. Dug out the crap and used air. Then ran bolt in both. Threads look and work perfect.
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Wanted to know what it looked like in cylinder. Found some from a 9000 9010 topend that sold. P+C 024130300
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I remember this guy. He says in video his came with 8T new.
makita 9010 ?
sure wish I would have bought the makita like new woods ported one I passed on now for 600 years back. Think it was Big Dave Neiger ported too
https://youtu.be/v9UP6uUxuDY
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Shaun Carr ported
https://youtu.be/Da5BPZKcryo
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new
https://youtu.be/hGdGOAd6slA
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Shaun Carr thing 395 on the 9000
Makita 9000 with Husqvarna 395BB cylinder which is a 6mm bigger bore taking it from just shy of 90cc to 111cc,
https://youtu.be/mr8Ct-leHVw
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Hotsaws ported
Woods ported Dolmar PS 9010 pulling a 125 driver 3/8s pitch bar and chain. Working on a ridge top old growth chunk that 3' at the widest part. The saw is a test unit and virtually new. I did some ripping with a 42" Sugi to see how it performed and some cutting with the 38" bar in this video.
https://youtu.be/gGY5huXehrQ
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I seem to recall one of my stock stihl 084 had that same type of front top erosion on the piston. I ran it as it was no problems.
@adam32 was that the one you traded for and I had got from Adam?
I vaguely remember a little bit of erosion but nothing like the 9000 piston looks.
That saw is up in Washington now!!
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Those Mahle piston and cylinders sure do look nice. I am glad to see Makita is still using them.
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Those Mahle piston and cylinders sure do look nice. I am glad to see Makita is still using them.
I seen them online selling for 168 shipped. But sold out right now. Just so you know.
I put it back together yesterday to move it.
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Yes I have done some searching around too. Dolmars parts seem to be a lot more reasonable than stihl and husky. I am looking forward to this project and saw.
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@jmester in Nate's hands. Hope he got home safe. Was slick as snot here.
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Yes he made it home ok as he sent me a pic of it sitting on the counter in his showroom. Thanks for getting it and holding it for me.
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It is finally here. Now it's time to go over it and figure out what is needed. To clean it up a bit and replace some damaged and missing parts. It is a nice clean saw for the age. Thanks Kevin and Nate for your help.
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Get the dolmar 9010 coil and flywheel for Christmas did ya? ;)
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Well that is going to one of many pieces to get. Tore it down a few days ago. Needs main bearings, all the chain brake stuff and a good many small pieces. Ordered a 9010 non limited carb which is on the way from overseas. Waiting on a flywheel puller to get it off I tried all the pullers and knockers I have and can not get it to break free. I do wonder if the ignition is ok and it is just the bad main bearings causing the gap to close up. Even if it is I am still getting the 9010 ignition as it is to be better then the 9000 and have a higher rpm limit.
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Be interesting to know if new bearings does the coil fly like you say. I never dug that deep into it even know.
Sounds like the right man for the job got the saw.
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Yes it should be a fun project saw for sure. More money then I thought but i feel the saw is worth the money. I do like the simplicity of the design that Dolmar uses.
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Yeah Nate started pointing out things on the saw that are NLA. Shame they just let the big saws parts fade away.
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Yeah Nate started pointing out things on the saw that are NLA. Shame they just let the big saws parts fade away.
sadly those parts are just NLA in the USA. they NLA stuff as the demand falls off, since the 9000/9010 werent extremely popular to begin with the marked the parts NLA allot sooner than others.
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Looks like most parts cross over to the 9010 but not all. I will have to get with Nate to check and see which parts are superseded and which are NLA. I got a list together seems like a big list but has a lot of small pieces and rubber bits.
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Bought the Tillotson HS 294 non limiter capped carb from overseas. Well what showed up was the limiter capped HS295. Both carbs are for the 9010. I did some searching and found that the idle speed screw and the high and low speed screws and there tension springs are the only difference. So I began the hunt for the screws found the H and L screws to be NLA here state side. Found some on eBay from a guy in Russia. Hopefully they show up. The tension springs are shared with the HS 320 that fits Stihl 660 so I can rob those from a spare carb if need be. Nate is checking on the idle speed screw witch should be still available as it is used on other models.
I have always enjoyed hunt parts and researching a part to find what I need. Just makes everything more difficult when it seems all the parts you end up needing are overseas some where. Thankfully we have the internet to make it a little easier.
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Wow interesting. The Russian seller seems legit for sure. He was the one I found shipping in the topends etc too.
Think I seen Nate had found a 9000 now too.
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Yes he sure did find one. Sounds like he needs to do a lot of the same stuff that I am doing mine. I should know the Dolmar ps9000 pretty well by the end of this. He seemed legit to me as well guess I will know more when I get a shipping confirmation.
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Nate and I were talking about maybe just using the HS320 the Venturi is the same size. The orientation on the impulse and fuel nipple are different as well. Also the idle,low,high speed screws are different as well. May try it out at a later time. As the hs320 is a 50-60$ dollar carb and the HS 294/295 is a $90carb and not available here.
On a side note what could be the differences in the high speed check valve/nozzle from the HS carb made for different saws. I.E. HS320 to HS295
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Nate's dolmar 9000 pics
Sorry I got nothing on either thread about those check valves. Maybe Mike knows something.
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I don't know the difference in those carbs. I don't see why it wouldn't work since it works on a 660
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I think it would work just fine, do a little change over and should work just fine.
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This is probably the cleanest PS-9000 around. It may have made 4 or 5 cuts.
Didn't realize I don't have a better picture of the saw.
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Yes that is a super nice ps-9000. i would love to see some more pics if you have time to take anymore.
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Yes that is a super nice ps-9000. i would love to see some more pics if you have time to take anymore.
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Finally sourced all my parts. New case because the one I have destroyed the pto bearing pocket. Should have most of them in the next couple of weeks.
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post up some pics when you get it done.
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Just trying to refresh my brain
dolmar 9000 9010 42mm stroke 52mm bore
stihl 066 660 40mm stroke 54mm bore
husqvarna 394 395 38mm stroke 56mm bore
stihl 661 37mm stroke 56mm bore
Am I remembering them right?
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That is the bore/stroke numbers in the service manuals.
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Those numbers look right to me. I will post some pics as I go. Have a bunch of parts that are being shipped or getting ready to ship. I should have just walked away and used it for parts with the bad bearing pocket. But what is the fun in that, it's only money.
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9000 going back together(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180328/2728c9cd84bf24f657a93f152a53dfab.jpg)
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Off to a nice looking start.
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New or powder coated? Looks super nice.
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New old stock. Still waiting on a few parts should have them on Saturday. Will post some more pics as I progress along.
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Made some progress. Got the rest of my parts today.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180331/253b5274a56d22bc181a3e8f123303d0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180331/5b59187cc0b6ba5d0df4a467dbec7f45.jpg)
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Oil pump and chain brake on. The worm gear for the oil pump was a bit of a hassle. I appreciate Stihl chainbrake over Dolmars but it is done.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180401/8633856bd8259fbe3ac4787337167764.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180401/a47cd8ae56332605c90bad7392abec45.jpg)
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I prefer the worm gear style oil pumps myself. I have seen some of those Stihl oil pumps self destruct before and it tears thing up pretty bad.
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Still need to do a muffler mod and mount the muffler. Then it should be ready to run. I need to get a husky mount tsumura bar from Nate as well.
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Now you know we want a non biased feed back when all said and done. Just be interesting to hear how stock for stock compare.
Never ran a stock one to know. The only one before that was woods ported and it ran right there with my woods ported 066. But never ran in big wood to see if the 9000 9010 pulled away in the big wood or not.
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I think it is going to be right there with a 066 and maybe a little better in the big wood. Problem is I am on a pulp logging job now and won't be any big hardwood for a couple of weeks or so.
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looks good
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Well I got it together earlier this week. Runs pretty even with an air leak. Set the tune and went and did some cookie cutting with it. Found every time I would turn the saw and have the flywheel side up it would speed up at idle and want to quit on transition. So I figured flywheel side seal. Replaced seal on the flywheel side today and decided to do a pressure and vac test. Holds vac well. Just leaks on pressure. One leak was on the manifold easy fix just tighten the clamp. The other leak is a bit more involved the case gasket is leaking on the intake side up the cylinder flange. So I will have to tear it down again. I did try to tighten the case bolt some more but the leak is still there. I did not figure it would fix it as I torqued the case bolts when I put the case halves together plus they are new old stock cases.
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That suks.
Bet you got a nickname picked out for this saw build.
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Well yes I do. I think I will just keep it to my self. Got the parts on the way should be here tomorrow. Once I get the cases back apart I will flatten them on plate glass with sandpaper. Thinking I will use some permatex high tack gasket sealant as well.
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Well finally got it back together. I should have time to retune it over the weekend and get it into some trees on Monday. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180428/cfcaf8969cf7c08d0837226fe5d57339.jpg)
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So how they do? Compared to the same class saws you were used to in 066 660 661?
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It is still not right. I have a blown check valve in the carb. Not as fast cutting as a husky or Stihl. But torque is impressive. Need some more time on it to be sure. May go up to a 9th gear to help with chain speed. I feel it has the torque to pull it.
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Has any one tried relocating the fly wheel to the 9010 coil? If it was tried I missed it in this thread.
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I only heard and read of using the 9010 fly with 10 coil on 9000. Hadnt read anyone be able to use 9000 fly retimed with 10 coil yet.
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Does anyone else feel the the HS-294 does not push enough fuel for the 9000/9010
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Pics from CRG. Saving Dolmar 9000 crankshaft apart and rod specs.