Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Jonsered => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on January 20, 2012, 03:29:41 pm
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I think it came down to who ported the saws. I had always thought a good ported 2094 394 395 would out cut a 660 066.
Here is a ec ecopsey ecsaws ported 2094 compared to a Scott Kunz treemonkey TM ported 660. Same chains on both saws in same Sycamore wood.
If a pic is worth a 1000 words, a video is worth a million words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ2m5Iu4s8Q&feature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wmaDx3C9b4&feature
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I always heard the 2094s were real strong. I didn't think there would be that big of a spread.
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660's are just AWSOME!!!!! ;D
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I found that a 064 was a better match for the 2094,394,395
Art what do you mean by this, I'm not familiar with a 064.
I do know one thing in our air a stock 395/4 will stomp the bejeezus out of a 660. The only competitive 066 I saw at a gtg came in 5th maybe built by TW. That was in little wood though.
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I would have to say some thing is wrong with that 2094 , its not turning any rpms , its at least 1500 lower than stock so something is not right ,
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I would say with out a doubt EHP is correct in his assesment.
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Jeff, Did you ever run 1 saw where I live? When Kevin tells me how a saw runs where he lives I believe him having never run a saw there. Same with Ed or whoever. Only a fool will say how a saw runs someplace he has never been. I tell how a saw runs where I live
One more. The stock German made 260 that I sent up to Ed's a few years ago was quicker than the 5000 Redmax I sent and the 5100 and 346 he had. Ed ran them, posted the times and video on his old site.
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I found that a 064 was a better match for the 2094,394,395
Art what do you mean by this, I'm not familiar with a 064.
I do know one thing in our air a stock 395/4 will stomp the bejeezus out of a 660. The only competitive 066 I saw at a gtg came in 5th maybe built by TW. That was in little wood though.
And i have raced 395's with my 066 and spanked the daylights out of them. Just saying.......
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That's great and I believe you. I beat 395s with my 064, just sayin.
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I agree with Ed, something's not right here. I've seen plenty of saw racing where 395xp, 066, and 2100xp are very close. I like that 0-100cc class because of those three saws......
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Also, something has to be vwrong with that 2094!
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Air is different in Art's very far NE part of the world. When I got saws from him the carb tunes were totally different then what I ended up with my location. So something is up with his area compared to my area.
Art has more experience with saws then I will ever have and I value his information, take into account his location and have a OPEN mind.
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Air is different in Art's very far NE part of the world. When I got saws from him the carb tunes were totally different then what I ended up with my location. So something is up with his area compared to my area.
Art has more experience with saws then I will ever have and I value his information, take into account his location and have a OPEN mind.
You can't go much farther NE of me without falling in the ocean :D Where are you at Art?
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NE of you in NE Nova Scotia http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/province/nszna.gif
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ahhhhhh That Canadian air makes them Stihls faster ;D
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Looks like he is surrounded by ocean air too.
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I'm not directing this at any one I'm just saying something is not correct with that 2094 and I'm not saying its the porting , It almost sounds kind of like it spun the key on the flywheel or something like that , its got some torque but no rpms . I have never been down near where Art lives but went to a race in NB quite a few years ago , I'm thinking like 8 or so , Gypo went with me . We stayed at NB places then went 3 hours east and was pretty much on the ocean , I had to richen up the saws some but had no trouble getting the power out of then
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I found that a 064 was a better match for the 2094,394,395
Art what do you mean by this, I'm not familiar with a 064.
I do know one thing in our air a stock 395/4 will stomp the bejeezus out of a 660. The only competitive 066 I saw at a gtg came in 5th maybe built by TW. That was in little wood though.
And i have raced 395's with my 066 and spanked the daylights out of them. Just saying.......
I would like to rephrase, yes there are good ones out there and it sound like you have one,but whats been done to it to make it that much better? Where does a woodsport stop and mild race begins?
When it comes to two piece heads, racing pistons, auxiallary transfers and fuel all saws of the same cc will be very close.
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I found that a 064 was a better match for the 2094,394,395
Art what do you mean by this, I'm not familiar with a 064.
I do know one thing in our air a stock 395/4 will stomp the bejeezus out of a 660. The only competitive 066 I saw at a gtg came in 5th maybe built by TW. That was in little wood though.
And i have raced 395's with my 066 and spanked the daylights out of them. Just saying.......
I would like to rephrase, yes there are good ones out there and it sound like you have one,but whats been done to it to make it that much better?
Muffler mod ;D
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extreme one ;D
I think what I'm getting at, were the 395 ported to that extreme?
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extreme one ;D
I think what I'm getting at, were the 395 ported to that extreme?
Yes. i would not compare my ported 066 to a stock 395. But you never know how a saw race would end up if one operator ran all saws and all saws used the same chain. Also, i find it funny how people rave about certain saw's and i think they are a huge let down. The 262 is one example. I have one. I'm not impressed. I'll be selling it soon. The 288 is another. Every body says they run better than a 660. Thats complete BS. ive had both. Everybody is entitled to there opinion i guess. :)
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I take it the 395 and 066 was both ported. Do you want to share who ported both saws?
I just watched a ported 395 cutting small 8x8 wood on youtube and I wasnt impressed with it (video was only 6 days old).
Dang it man will somebody show me a 395 that will cut and live up to the talk I have always heard over the years.
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I've got one here but I dont know if it would shine in 8x8, never tried it, but stick it in 20 inch beech and you'll giggle.
But it was made for that.
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hi all. its good to see some names i have not seen for awile.most of you don't know me but maybe that will change in time.
just to claify a few things about these two saws. 2094 was built by copsy as a good work saw, as far as i know it has a pop up piston.
the 660 i built. there is no popup piston. piston is stock, unaltered. infact the only things that are ported it the cylinder and muffler. this is a woods mod saw, not a high rpm saw. i think it was 40% faster cut times in bigger wood.
the 660 is by no means a race saw but runs real well.
the 2094 looks sick, but i think its the porting.
latter scott
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Again only a general statement not directed at anybody .If you high port a saw for RPM's it won't be worth 2 cents as a torque monster woods saw .
A few years back a lot of people got on that kick of cookie cutters which would rip snort though an 8 inch cant like greased lightning .In the real world they didn't meet the expectations of the owners who became very disgruntled with the whole situation .
You know it's cool I guess to raise that exhaust up to 92 and the thing sound like an azz kicking monster but you also knock the strong right out of them . I think that old kick of GTG saws has about went the way of the plow horse for most unless they really want a cookie cutter .
All that screaming rpm's do in the air is make noise .So it's cranking 15 thou then hits the wood and drops to 10 .You haven't gained a thing except turn a saw into a toy .Now toys are fun too ,I have a few .You just gotta keep things in perspective though .
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I got a couple videos on my youtube channel of 395's that seem to cut pretty good , In stock forum I hate the 395 but ported I really like them , I just hope the guys that stole mine is having fun with it . I have ported a couple 394's also and as far as what is a faster saw I will take the 394 over the 395 if speed is important ,
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Just to touch onwhat Scott said, actually the 2094 does not have a pop up piston. Atleast Eric Copsey told me she didnt. It cost me 250 bucks. I should have never let him touch it. She will make her way towards Scott after the build off. I honestly believe it was a hack port job. Time will tell.
I certainly dont expect Scott to make her as fast as that 660. he may not be able too. Depends how bad Eric Copsey screwed her up. I will also say that 660 Scott did is exceptional. I know of Scotts saws takin more than one 394/395 in a race. I cant wait till he gets ahold of the 2094.
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Here is a 2094 at a good price.
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-other-Jonsered-Turbo-2094-chainsaw-for-sale-W0QQAdIdZ348705527
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cviIloc-Xww&feature=g-upl&context=G26aef21AUAAAAMgAUAA here is a 395 I built a while a go
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Now that is a fast one!!! :o :o :o
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It ran not to bad considering , no head , stock bore carb and stock piston but it is on alcohol, if I ever build another one it will have a different piston in it that is forsure , those thick 395 rings donot like that high of rpms
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Was just reading about jonsered 2094. As you know I sent a 2095 down the road. To refresh my mind
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hi all. its good to see some names i have not seen for awile.most of you don't know me but maybe that will change in time.
just to claify a few things about these two saws. 2094 was built by copsy as a good work saw, as far as i know it has a pop up piston.
the 660 i built. there is no popup piston. piston is stock, unaltered. infact the only things that are ported it the cylinder and muffler. this is a woods mod saw, not a high rpm saw. i think it was 40% faster cut times in bigger wood.
the 660 is by no means a race saw but runs real well.
the 2094 looks sick, but i think its the porting.
latter scott
Info I was looking for.
Just to touch onwhat Scott said, actually the 2094 does not have a pop up piston. Atleast Eric Copsey told me she didnt. It cost me 250 bucks. I should have never let him touch it. She will make her way towards Scott after the build off. I honestly believe it was a hack port job. Time will tell.
I certainly dont expect Scott to make her as fast as that 660. he may not be able too. Depends how bad Eric Copsey screwed her up. I will also say that 660 Scott did is exceptional. I know of Scotts saws takin more than one 394/395 in a race. I cant wait till he gets ahold of the 2094.
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The guy that got the jonsered 2095 said he was probably going to port it once he gets everything for the split and rebuild.
Is there better videos out there on the 2094 2095 ported? Known good ones.
Seems this ecsaws 2094 in this thread was a flop.
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Not many on YouTube. I need to get that saw and put the other stock top end on it.
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Now I'm curious... I haven't run my 2094 in a few years. Last I did I seem to remember it ran under load a bit higher RPM than that one did. Twisted like a 372. Wound it up to 13,500 No load. All it had was squish set to .018, a muffler mod (Gutted with a 3/4 in tube), and a little more duration on the intake. That may have been the one I struggled with because of a limited carb & eventually swapped it out...or was that the first 820. Can't remember anymore. I quit running it as it was a biatch to pull over and start & felt like the pull start was one step away from coming apart. Hardly a modded saw but it was really strong. BUT time tempers reality. So it needs to get some video/timing and compare it to those Aftermarket MS660 saws. Also hardly modified saws but a reasonable reference. Doubt there will be a 3 to 2 cut differential in a test log of hard maple. Just curious. Would be curious on how fast the 2094 picks up RPM's.. Mine was lively like a crisp 372, just bigger and more of everything. (Including vibration and weight)
This might simply be a verification the one building that 660 know his chit.. That's my bet.
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I take it the 395 and 066 was both ported. Do you want to share who ported both saws?
I just watched a ported 395 cutting small 8x8 wood on youtube and I wasnt impressed with it (video was only 6 days old).
Dang it man will somebody show me a 395 that will cut and live up to the talk I have always heard over the years.
t395 work saw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnH3u4CrMBg
394 work horse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Fdh68o8gQ
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Now those 2 sound and look good in the cut. Thanks for sharing those.
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Now I know you probably not into this. But how did they do in cant type racing in 10x10 with bigger gear etc.
I know my 066 which I only ran 32" on though. Also was a heck of a cant cutter too for gtg racing. Nothing special either. Just stock piston with no work, no squish cut, no pop up etc. Just good ole porting. Was so good a porter north of me in Ohio wanted my saw to get the numbers out of.
This was just in 8x8 but each bigger gear she was faster and kept pulling. This was just using a 8T and set fat at 14K this saw like 15's for cant racing.
https://youtu.be/mUTMEcvTLr0
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Now I know you probaly not into this. But how did they do in cant type racing in 10x10 with bigger gear etc.
I know my 066 which I only ran 32" on though. Also was a heck of a cant cutter too for gtg racing. Nothing special either. Just stock piston with no work, no squish cut, no pop up etc. Just good ole porting. Was so good a porter north of me in Ohio wanted my saw to get the numbers out of.
This was just in 8x8 but each bigger gear she was faster and kept pulling. This was just using a 8T and set fat at 14K this saw like 15's for cant racing.
https://youtu.be/mUTMEcvTLr0
They'll pull a 10 pin fine but I need to make a custom bar to keep the chain on. Even a 9 throws the chain once in a while.
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found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcE8fB2Dhts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW5mqjpmif4
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I have yet to see a 2094 2095 run like those 394 395 saws. I would think they could though. Nice cylinder and p set up on the 2095 that came through, IMO.
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The guy I sold my JD 800V is getting a Jonsered 2094 2095 woods ported.
So hopefully we will see it soon and how it compares to the JD. Just using that for a measuring stick. He runs the JD with 28" buried in hardwoods and he says it just eats.
Only thing it has been at the known porters place all year I guess. Must have gotten lost in the shuffle. :-X