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Title: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on March 04, 2011, 01:28:06 pm
This one is a  Bad Boy Tim Allen edition. This is the 2nd 3750 I have had, but this is the first  TA edition on it.  1st one had a different style muffler, without the front deflector like this one does.

These saws run right with the stock 262xp's I had in the past and I tested one back to back with this one. 3750 was right on the heels in cut and 3750 feels to have just a slight torque disadvantage. 

While out cutting firewood and switching from 262 and 3750 back and forth with another cutter, both of use using the saws preferred the 3750 feel and handling in our hands. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd8q3wN-x6g
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on March 04, 2011, 01:29:39 pm
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Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: man of stihl on March 04, 2011, 03:42:52 pm
what is the 3750? poulan design? husky design?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 04, 2011, 04:01:34 pm
Poulan made as far as I can tell.  basically a poulan pro 330 54cc with a big bore oem topend making it 60cc. open port cylinders.

MM might have more info on this poulan.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: man of stihl on March 04, 2011, 04:08:02 pm
so p&c pretty much the same as my pp365?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 04, 2011, 05:01:38 pm
I cant answer that one, never been in a 365 poulan.

I do know the crankshafts are made in Sweden on them and the 60cc top end is made in Italy (girnolida) (cant remember the spelling, anyone ?) cylinder and piston kit.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Modifiedmark on March 04, 2011, 08:57:16 pm
so p&c pretty much the same as my pp365?

I'm not completely sure if you could say that, they share the same piston but the cyl part # is different. Might be ported different or something else.

 I know its the same as the Super 380. I also know the 3750/380 run a larger carb the the PP365. The 330 also runs the bigger carb.

I know my 330 will give my 365 a run for its money and I have a HDA 137 here to try on my 365 if I ever get around to it.

Its not surprising that a unbiased user would prefer the feel of the 3750 over the 262 either. I really enjoy this series of Poulan saws, they just feel right and have the best control layouts. A stock 262 won't put much morre wood in the truck either.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on March 04, 2011, 09:05:09 pm
The first 3750 I had. It also placed at a chainsaw race at the fairgrounds here in ohio in the 0-65cc class. The Dolmar 6400's  took the places in front of me from what I recall

1st one had just a hand guard and 2nd one has a chain brake.

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Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on October 31, 2011, 02:12:17 pm
I have been trying to get my early edition 3750 BadBoy 60cc back from a firewood cutter I traded it to a few years ago. He wont come off the saw when even offered bigger cc saws on trade  :'(. 

So I went looking for another early edition with hand guard instead of chain brake like my other later edition one.

Well  I stumbled across one on it's last day that had been run with a bow bar  ???. 

So how many of you poulan guys had bid me up on this one.



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Modifiedmark on October 31, 2011, 09:24:56 pm
I seen it but didnt bid. I forgot too.  ::)

I forget what it ended up at but I think you did ok on it. I would kinda like to have one as well.

I have no doubt they run well.

Speaking of running well, I got a chance to look at that hot rod little PP330 that Randy sent to me to take to the Poulan GTG.

It was giving trouble when we tried it later in the bigger wood and wouldnt hold a tune.

Found it had a mushy impulse line. I checked the carb but didnt really find anything out of wack. I put a new impulse on it and decided that the original muffler deflector wasnt big enough so added a second cut in deflector on the other side.

Man does it run good now! Night and day difference. I was by myself and had no stop watch but man was it hauling through a 18" piece of oak. I got my ported 262XP out and I swear the 330 was running right with it and might even be ahead of it.

Its on its way back to Randy now and hopefully he will make a video of it. Man its loud now as well!!!
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 01, 2011, 06:47:57 am
Mark I hope you seen that green 3000 that came down yesterday. It went real cheap.

 I would have but I'm all tapped out with saw buying right now. :(
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: farmboy on November 01, 2011, 08:40:53 am
I'm tapped too  :'( or I would have bid on both.  Been wanting to pick up some of these since I sold my PP305.  Did get a 2800 cheap the other day.  My saw money is going to be nonexistant for a while.  :'( I have to get rid of some and finish about 20 in the project pile.  Then let the buying commence. ;D  Got to have some of these saws.  PP305 was my first one of these.  Pretty impressed with it just couldn't turn down a buck and a half.  Only have emotional attachment for 1 saw (my Dad's 44 Husky). 
Shep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Modifiedmark on November 01, 2011, 09:29:15 pm

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Mark I hope you seen that green 3000 that came down yesterday. It went real cheap.

 I would have but I'm all tapped out with saw buying right now. :(


Again, I seen it but kinda spaced it off. I think I had the opening bid on that one.

I have been looking for a super clean Green 3000 but that one was on the bubble as condition but I should have scooped it up for that.

Like Shep said I have been a little on the light side with saw funds right now as well.

I did make a trade for a newer super shape big saw mostly with the idea of it going to a local tree guy, but I have not heard back from him yet. If not it will be on the block to build the saw fund back up some.  ::)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on November 07, 2011, 03:07:17 pm
Mark be glad you didnt get that 3750. Totally misrepresented saw  :o :o :o :o :o. Not as described.

 I'm tearing it down for a rebuild now as I am still going to keep it instead of sending it back.  Crankcase had been grinded on to allow for the bow bar, not just the plastic bar cover. Piston and cylinder had some scoring with ring stuck. Plastic top cover was melted away all around the muffler. Thats just in the 2min look over out of the box.
Hope bearings and seals are good to go.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on November 07, 2011, 08:24:36 pm
Crank bearings check out and hopefully the seals are good to go.  Will know soon enough.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/376/craftsman30003750013.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/376/craftsman30003750003.jpg)
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Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: w8ye on November 07, 2011, 09:06:05 pm
It's a shame what some people will do to a good saw.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on November 10, 2011, 07:38:41 pm
Now that other 3750 is fighting back some. The cylinder cleaned up great not noticeable at all and the piston has some noticeable carbon type marks but nothing to hang a nail on at all, even used old ring, it was just stuck (carbon IMO). Holds 150psi cold.

Need carb kit being it's not pulling fuel and runs on mix squirted in carb.

Ran new fuel line and had to install a new impulse nipple in carb HDA ( because plastic part of nipple was broke off in line) from a 066 carb had laying around. Will run new impulse line when carb removed this time.

For the life of me I cant find the tank vent on this one.  :-[ :-[  Another day.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: OhioGregg on November 10, 2011, 10:02:53 pm
My memory is not real clear on the tank vent is on these. Been so long since I had my Super 380 apart. Be the same saw as the 3750.  Its kinda hidden and on the left side as I recall. Like behind a plug or screw or something. LOL   Not much help I know. As I recall, it will use the usual duckbill valve that Poulan uses on many of its saws.

Gregg,
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: OhioGregg on November 10, 2011, 10:11:04 pm
One other thing that might help. I think you have to seperate the tank/handle from the engine/crankcase section to get to it. >:(    It is shown on the IPL's for both the 3450/3750 and 380.

Gregg,
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 11, 2011, 06:39:23 am
Bingo Thanks for reminder. Left lower side in front of tank between crankcase.

poulan 3750 IPL  http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Poulan%203750.pdf

36 plug - bronze vent
46 check valve

Gregg got any pics of a super 380 to show? Never laid eyes on one.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: OhioGregg on November 11, 2011, 01:59:43 pm
Kevin, As far as I know, they are the same as the 3750, just different colors. ;D
They have the Italian made Gilardoni cyl. 60cc

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/Gregg500/Super380.jpg)

Gregg,

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on November 11, 2011, 02:38:50 pm
Sweet. Does this saw have the dated sticker on the back right side of tank still. What year is on it?

I take it these were built same time frame as smaller saw brother 330?

Hmmmmm pull this 3750 topend and put on 330. Nah want real 380 super now.

Now I wonder can the 365 topends be swapped to the 330 3750 380 with bigger carb and intake? Does the cylinders from 365 bolt up. I never checked.

Now I wonder who bought that super clean looking poulan 3000 for $65 before I got home today.   :'( :'( :'(  Hope it was one of you poulan guys.  Markkkkkkkkkkkkkkk?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: OhioGregg on November 11, 2011, 04:12:32 pm
Mine has a date of 1997 on it. I think the 330 can be upraded to the 380, same for 3450 to 3750. I think the 335 & 365 were a little different. They were also 54 & 60 cc'.  Little different design I do believe. Mark knows these pretty well.

Gregg,
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 11, 2011, 07:42:46 pm
The reason I ask this. The gasket kit that came for 3750 had 3 different base gaskets and 3 different muffler gaskets.
1 base and muffler gasket fit 3750
1 muffler gasket fit 365
1muffler gasket fit 3000
2 other base gaskets fit, I dont know yet.

I was just wondering if the bolt pattern was different on the 365 60cc by just a hair. I never measured them. Heck I just had the 365 in my hands tonight while I was adjusting carb and sending  the craftsman 3000 out for the woods this weekend.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Modifiedmark on November 13, 2011, 10:34:09 am
Kevin, I'm not sure if the 365 cyl will bolt onto the 380 or not. The part # for the 3750 and 380 is different then the 365/3500/3600. It may bolt on the case the same but there are probably some other differences, like intake etc.

Yep, I got the $65 3000. You should have been faster.  ;D Really I just found it on my phone while on break at work, called them and bought it.

I have a uneasy feeling about it though, we will see when it gets here.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 13, 2011, 11:07:28 am

Yep, I got the $65 3000. You should have been faster.  ;D Really I just found it on my phone while on break at work, called them and bought it.

I have a uneasy feeling about it though, we will see when it gets here.

It looked to run good in a video I watched in the morning of it.  I had put in in my cart before leaving but it wouldnt check me out on the site it was on. Check out wanted me to do local pick up, not happening.
So I went onto work and when I got home it was sold. I was just hoping it was one of you guys that was looking for a clean 3000.  I needed it like a hole in the head, I would imagine the same can be said for most of us. LOL


Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Modifiedmark on November 13, 2011, 02:05:18 pm
Yeah I needed it. LOL

Like I said I was looking at it on my PITA phone so no online buying and just called them. If you would have I would have been too late.  :D
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: farmboy on November 13, 2011, 06:25:04 pm
I put the 3000 in my watch list too.  Went to their website pulled it up to buy it.  Nature called when I got back it was gone.  Hope it runs as good as it looked.  I'll have to be faster next time ha ha!  Then I thought about bills XXXX.  Glad a Poulan lover got it.  It will have a good home.
Shep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 14, 2011, 12:25:22 pm
Have any of you guys compared a PP365 or 3500 with smaller intake and carb to the PP380 or 3750 with bigger intake or carb? or even a PP330 54cc to the first 2?

  I am going to take the PP365, 3500 60cc and my 3750 60cc and PP330 54cc and compere them in the future with 20" bar buried with same chain on all 3/8 050 in hardwood to see if there is a difference. I am thinking besides the smaller carb there is some port timing difference in them.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 16, 2011, 06:36:39 am
Well the ring may have been good enough to hold 150psi cold. But once started and warm I was getting blow by. So 3750 #3 is tore back down waiting new ring. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 16, 2011, 02:41:02 pm
Need some info if you know. The ring on 3750 380 365 if my measurement of worn ring is correct and bore of cylinder are correct. Is it 49mm bore by 1.5mm ring?

If so that would mean a stihl 039 MS390 and one of the stihl cut off saws, husky 460 570 would also work if I had one on hand.  Am I thinking right here?

What is the bore on 330 3450? Smaller I know, but what mm.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: OhioGregg on November 16, 2011, 06:16:28 pm
Here is a video, if I can get it to show...LOL  I did probably year & half ago. Someone asked me how the 3700 & 380 compared. 61 & 60cc.  Well, I did this 3 times, and each time the 3700 is faster. Not a great deal, but it has more low end grunt & is stronger I believe.  The 380 has much more time on it since then, it is my "light weight" saw.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Und4nVtQg5U&feature=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Und4nVtQg5U&feature=player_detailpage)

Gregg,
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 16, 2011, 06:35:06 pm
Nice and Thanks for the comparison, 3700 380.

 I only have a 4000 and know my 3750 is no comparison there IMO. 4000 has the torque that I say is missing a tad on the 3750 (wish it had that kind of torque). Glad you had a 3700 to show us a even comparison.

I think me and w8ye is going to hook up soon and run the PP365 3500 3750 330 3450 soon with same  chain. Dont know about us doing a video though, but might take a stop watch. Will see on video. Hmmmm could throw a 362xp in the mix. I know they wouldnt touch the 365 special.

I know my PP415 ate my 362xp after the 362 fresh rebuild. Now I wish I would have done the PP415 and 365SP when I had 2 of the 365SP. Heck could have thrown 4000 in that one.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: w8ye on November 17, 2011, 01:06:41 am
I'm ready whenever you are
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: farmboy on November 17, 2011, 09:53:01 am
Just for info I have NOS pistons for PP415 & 475.
Shep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 17, 2011, 02:04:08 pm
Just for info I have NOS pistons for PP415 & 475.
Shep

I've had a 475 project I been collecting parts for for awhile now. Just dont see any reason to be in a hurry with it since I have a running PP415 and PP505.  8)

Fill free to advertise in your sig or list stuff FS here.

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3 tanks now and started with red one and they keep getting better.
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Before shipping
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After shipping with nothing in box to pad just PHO.
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Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: farmboy on November 18, 2011, 10:37:15 am
Is that the one you welded back on?  Stuff like that makes you sick and mad.  Esp. since it was totally avoidable.  Bought three parts saws 261Husky among them.  Guy threw all three in the box no packing broke the ear off the 261 above the ID tag.  Not a real big deal BUT! 
Shep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 18, 2011, 01:25:40 pm
Nope different saw, that was a 415 another guy welded on after tree won the fight with him. (weld area he did not hold and just fell apart and the welded area just crumbled  and left a hole in area). I bought it from him as a box of parts and thought hmmm I wonder if. That same 415 was ran at the poulan gtg.

My redneck 415 fix looks like it will hold longer and stronger then the weak metal area on those crankcases.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 19, 2011, 10:04:46 pm
wy8e, I have PP365 back in my possession.  I'm still not caught up around here getting ready for winter yet.   

 Maybe sometime during the weekdays before Thanksgiving or after?

 Have you ever ran a Partner 550? If it dont get picked up before test runs we can throw it in if you havent.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: w8ye on November 19, 2011, 10:14:16 pm
I've never ran a partner.

LMK when you want to do it?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 19, 2011, 10:31:05 pm
You never ran a partner 5000 plus either?  If not I will get the 20" I got drilled for poulans and husky small mount with 72dl chain for all the saws.  I think I have a 72dl woodsman pro chain new in the box to run (warning not the best cut out of the box type  sharp).

I'm all out of 500's, just the 550 that is going bye and 5000's now. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 30, 2011, 06:51:29 pm
I'm ready whenever you are
I've never ran a partner.
LMK when you want to do it?
You never ran a partner 5000 plus either?  If not I will get the 20" I got drilled for poulans and husky small mount with 72dl chain for all the saws.  I think I have a 72dl woodsman pro chain new in the box to run (warning not the best cut out of the box type  sharp).

I'm all out of 500's, just the 550 that is going bye and 5000's now. 

Update I got the new ring for the 3750, but no time right now to play. Working 7 days a week to get some extra CHRISTmas $$$ and for another saw I want to put on the shelf too.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 04, 2011, 06:51:01 pm
New ring, and same blasted symptoms. Runs but not right and wont hold idle. Switched carb to like new one I just got in HDA 164. Same thing.
Starting to guess seals or maybe even the case seal has got a air leak into crankcase.

Good news is the hand guard on this 3750 works perfect on the JD 800 = echo 8000.  ;D  Plus found a good plain green clutch cover for it also.

On the shelf 3750 #3  goes till a much later date.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on December 06, 2011, 06:42:17 am
Yep crankcase seal leaking into crankcase. Time to split another down the road.

Poulan 60cc piston ring 530036176  49mm  3500 3.7 365 3450-T3 3750 380
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: redunshee on December 16, 2011, 04:38:45 pm
I recently got a 3450 that shows 60cc on the sticker. Not sure of the type, though there is a 03 at the end of the serial number.Saw was built in 2000. Any ideas as to Type?
Bob
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 16, 2011, 05:10:00 pm
I recently got a 3450 that shows 60cc on the sticker. Not sure of the type, though there is a 03 at the end of the serial number.Saw was built in 2000. Any ideas as to Type?
Bob

Check this thread out. I think type 3 3450.  http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/poulan/poulan-pro-330-and-poulan-3450/15/

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 19, 2012, 06:42:17 pm
Yep crankcase seal leaking into crankcase. Time to split another down the road.

Well it's down the road and I could stands it no more.  ;D

In the basket there is a part I noticed in pic that dont go to the 3750. Anyone else catch what it is?

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP325/old3750002.jpg)
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Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 20, 2012, 07:24:13 pm
Well she may be a ugly 1998 TA Bad Boy, but  at least now it runs and cuts good.

You can see where the crankcase and old clutch cover were grinded on to clear the bow saw that was run on it.   Couldn't imagine it 60cc  pulled that very well.  ::)

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP325/oldbadboy002.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP325/oldbadboy003.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP325/oldbadboy004.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/PP325/oldbadboy001.jpg)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 01, 2012, 05:18:55 pm
I should have known better, but I offered and left the old rebuilt 3750 behind other day.   Hoping to get some more run time on it to break it in.
Me and 660mag was cutting up some test wood one day and on the way home I stopped at a friends place to BS. Well while I was there his landlord ask me to muffler mod and sharpen his chains for his 310.
Well I exchanged saws and he said the poulan wasnt running right and had to be run on half choke. 

 So guys what does it do to a saw that is being used in cuts on ash run on half choke when not running right?











First thing I looked at after carb adjustments was IMPULSE line which had come off.  Put it back on it it seemed to run fine with 140psi. Still I want to know more. Took muffler off and some scoring on new ring hmmmm. So I pulled it down ad even found a small corner piece off the skirt on 1 exhaust corner missing.

To end all. Then noticed the tensioner bolt missing.

 Nuff said on my part and LESSON learned if you dont know the chainsaw operators skill levels.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 660magnum on April 01, 2012, 06:14:07 pm
It ran good when we were using it.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 01, 2012, 09:11:32 pm
It ran good when we were using it.

Yep he said it was running great most of the day too till the hiccup. Just a shame and I should have known better.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 660magnum on April 01, 2012, 09:31:53 pm
When my mid twenties grandson is helping me, I have to darn near rebuild the the saw every time I fill it up with gas.

I have to touch up and tighten the chain and blow out the clutch area and check everything about the saw.

I keep a hawk eye on him.  He'll run two tanks to my one but I'm having to look after the saws.

I have not see him rock a chain but the saw sure gets clogged up when he uses it.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 02, 2012, 06:39:33 am
What puzzles me is I havent found the missing corner piece of the piston skirt. I shook upside down, I just dont see anything anywhere.  It's big enough if it got into crankshaft it should have locked it up.  ???

One more look see and in the box she goes and on the shelf for another day. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on April 09, 2012, 08:49:10 pm
Anyone know off hand the bore of the 60cc poulan 3750?

 I'm thinking the 54cc 3450 was 46.5mm not sure and not running out to the barn right now.

Never mind.

Went and used a bore stroke calculator and came up with 49mm bore. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Modifiedmark on April 10, 2012, 11:17:24 pm
The chart I have here shows 49mm as well.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 10, 2012, 06:35:29 pm
Back together again  ::)  3rd TA edition I have had.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/ta001.jpg)

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 660magnum on July 10, 2012, 06:57:13 pm
I liked running that one the day we stuck the saws in the big silver maple trunk.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 10, 2012, 07:02:11 pm
I liked running that one the day we stuck the saws in the big silver maple trunk.

Catch a cool day and I am not working 24/7, I want to run 3750  PP365  362xp in the pile.  ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 660magnum on July 10, 2012, 07:20:09 pm
Just LMK when
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 27, 2012, 08:57:34 pm
From Popular Science  July 1998

 Tim Allen Poulan Bad Boy chain saw, the Model
3750 pushes all the limits on consumer chain saws with its oversized 60cc
engine and extra-long 22-inch bar. But the model also marks the introduction of
the ...  Click link for rest  ::)


http://books.google.com/books?id=3Bxy4y0umo0C&pg=PA14-IA2&lpg=PA14-IA2&dq=poulan+3750+tim+allen&source=bl&ots=stXaj64X0f&sig=jGueNVz16NgVDUeLuQkc2hSog7A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AzgTUP-KGsTBrQGV3YCQBw&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=poulan%203750%20tim%20allen&f=false

If you got a Bad Boy share those pics with us.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2012, 06:35:52 am
You can still buy the 3750 top ends new real cheap. Then just bolt  them on 330 or a 3450 that isnt a 60cc already.

Gilardoni  Italian made cylinders.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on July 28, 2012, 12:15:51 pm
Where do you find the top end at. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on July 28, 2012, 12:29:34 pm
Do you still have the TA 3750 that someone had put a bow saw on and the had cut away the case to fit it?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2012, 01:07:59 pm
Do you still have the TA 3750 that someone had put a bow saw on and the had cut away the case to fit it?
Back together again  ::)  3rd TA edition I have had.

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/028super/ta001.jpg)




Yes #3  had a bow at one time and it is the one I had to split the crankcase do to bar oil getting into crankcase past seal. 

Also just put back together after loaning it out awhile back. Bad mistake  ::)  It's not perfect by any means.  Should have a new piston kit put in it but it's just a loaner back up type saw to me. You would crap looking at the old piston and wouldnt believe it cuts as good as it does with it.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2012, 01:11:23 pm
Where do you find the top end at. 

This is what I like about this site. We can mention any seller we want.  ;)

These are my top 3 for poulan parts. If guys have others post them up please.

http://www.ordertree.com/

http://www.outdoordistributors.com/

http://www.jackssmallengines.com/
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2012, 01:18:54 pm
Piston kit   530069549

Cylinder  530049906
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on July 28, 2012, 02:55:05 pm
Great information thanks for the reply.  Now I have a 3450, so can I just order the cylinder and piston and set this right on the old crankcase, and do I need to change the carb or anything else like covers linkage anything like that?

   Oh the TA 3750 you have can be welded and filled in where they cut it away.  But you would have to split the case again and send it along with the clutch cover to make it match up correctly then you would have to paint it. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2012, 03:06:27 pm
Yes everything can go right on the 3450 as a bolt up no changing nothing. Make sure your 3450 isnt one of the 60cc ones already.

Everything can be had new for $100 or less for the 60cc topend swap. Piston $40 range, cylinder $50 plus rangeup to low $60's. Shop around.

If I split that 3750 again in the future I will  let you know so you can fix that case side up. Thanks. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 28, 2012, 03:08:31 pm
3000,  330 3450 thread has some good info    http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/poulan/poulan-pro-330-and-poulan-3450/
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on July 28, 2012, 03:37:15 pm
I guess I know what my next project is going to be.  I will start looking for the cylinder and piston with the part numbers you provided.  Thanks.  Roger
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 604f_1 on July 28, 2012, 04:12:37 pm
Do any of you know the wrist pin size and the skirt width on them ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated .
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 30, 2012, 06:55:04 pm
Do any of you know the wrist pin size and the skirt width on them ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated .

Check PM.  I will help get the rest of the info next time I am inside one.  Sent what I know.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on November 18, 2012, 11:40:17 am
I've never seen a poulan 3750 in these colors. Have any of you guys out there seen a 3750 like this?

Timbermaster 3750 reminds me of the 3450 color scheme.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 19, 2012, 12:46:49 am
I have several of the 3450's with those colors but I have never seen a 3750.  Thanks for the Pics.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 11, 2012, 04:33:00 pm
fastleo151  could you post more pics of your 3750 you bought a few weeks after I passed on it. It was the first 3750 labled saw I have seen with black covers.

Makes me wonder if it is the 3450 60cc just with 3750 stickers done at the factory or vice versa like 3750 and they just put 3450 stickers on 60cc's.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: fastleo151 on December 14, 2012, 07:32:29 pm
Kevin,

Been super busy at work, I will try to post some pictures of the saw. Thats for reminding me  I own your rejects again.... ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 14, 2012, 07:34:48 pm
Kevin,

Been super busy at work, I will try to post some pictures of the saw. Thats for reminding me  I own your rejects again.... ;)

Not rejects. I just have to many of those still. If I only had 1 or 2 I would have scooped them up.  I'm down near 30-40saws now on one wall.  Used to be 3 walls full.

I have just learned to say NO to my mind and wants and have passed up about a dozen or so in the last few weeks alone. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: fastleo151 on December 14, 2012, 07:40:01 pm
Let me know if there are any poulan saws you pass up, I will gladly add to my wall.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 14, 2012, 07:48:33 pm
Let me know if there are any poulan saws you pass up, I will gladly add to my wall.

All kinds of poulans. I post them here only in the CL's ads below.  There was a 4200 with 20" and 28" bars for $125, 245?? $25 , 3400 for $50  etc etc.

I'm always open to trading my stuff too depending on the trade. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 17, 2013, 04:51:05 pm
Did you guys happen to catch this listing.    One ugly portrait and one ugly saw.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 17, 2013, 07:26:23 pm
Where and who?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 17, 2013, 07:41:55 pm
Oh that is the poor ole 3750 that some dufus put a bow on.   It is now mine with the self portrait there, and the saw is going to get the royal treatment including getting rid of that ugly gash from the bow.   I always knew one day I would be welding on that saw.    ;D
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 17, 2013, 07:43:35 pm
Oh that is the poor ole 3750 that some dufus put a bow on.   It is now mine with the self portrait there, and the saw is going to get the royal treatment including getting rid of that ugly gash from the bow.   I always knew one day I would be welding on that saw.    ;D

Well heck that is cool. I seen it on block, but didnt know who got it.   8)

Before and after pics of the work pleasssssssse.  ;D
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Eccentric on February 18, 2013, 02:18:49 am
Oh that is the poor ole 3750 that some dufus put a bow on.   It is now mine with the self portrait there, and the saw is going to get the royal treatment including getting rid of that ugly gash from the bow.   I always knew one day I would be welding on that saw.    ;D

Well heck that is cool. I seen it on block, but didnt know who got it.   8)

Before and after pics of the work pleasssssssse.  ;D

+1.  I saw it for sale...................wondered who got it.............and want to see the work done! ;D
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: ms460woodchuck on February 18, 2013, 10:14:09 am
 I am the one that got it from Kevin on the trade and the one that sold it on the bay...I would really like to see the pics myself when the welding is done.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 18, 2013, 12:56:54 pm
Alright not a problem guys.    I already have new cranks seals, piston and ring, and new bearings If I need them.   Now it is just a matter of time.    I have two weeks to retirement and then will be going full bore.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on February 18, 2013, 01:26:37 pm
I'm going to split  3750 stuff off and put it in the 3750 thread.    ;)



Your going to want a new piston kit. That piston was really really  :-X hurt when I loaned it out and the guy ran it without the impulse line attached and on half choke.

The ring was new oem, but took some scuffs when loaned out.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 18, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
Yes I already have a new piston and ring for it.   I had anticipated that from the ebay listing and also from past posting about the saw.   Thanks.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: fastleo151 on March 07, 2013, 06:19:21 am
I can seem to find a part number for the brake band for my 3750. My IPL doesn't even show it. Does anyone have the number or a used brake band they would part with?

Andy
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 07, 2013, 06:29:01 am
I can seem to find a part number for the brake band for my 3750. My IPL doesn't even show it. Does anyone have the number or a used brake band they would part with?

Andy

Look at the poulan pro 330. Should be the same and being newer saw maybe that IPL will show it for you.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 07, 2013, 11:26:34 am
Andy I looked at all my IPL's for  3450, 3750 and the 330.   They only show the entire brake assembly as a part and not separate.    By the way did you get your 3750 from the mastermind yet?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: fastleo151 on March 07, 2013, 11:37:29 am
Yes I did. I have not gassed it up yet.  I have been very busy.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: ms460woodchuck on March 12, 2013, 08:58:43 pm
Yes I did. I have not gassed it up yet.  I have been very busy.

 I for one would really like to see a video of this saw in some wood!!! (If you ever get time lol)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2013, 09:04:58 pm
Yes I did. I have not gassed it up yet.  I have been very busy.

 I for one would really like to see a video of this saw in some wood!!! (If you ever get time lol)

I tested my like new 3750 against a 262xp etc in nice clean even cants if you want to compare in the cuts with 3/8 same chain.

We also tested both out cutting firewood hardwoods back to back all day once.

We both voted for the 3750 over the 262 in handling, feel, comfort of handles,  etc, even though the 3750 had just a little less torque in the cut then 262.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: ms460woodchuck on March 12, 2013, 09:36:25 pm
Yes I did. I have not gassed it up yet.  I have been very busy.

 I for one would really like to see a video of this saw in some wood!!! (If you ever get time lol)

I tested my like new 3750 against a 262xp etc in nice clean even cants if you want to compare in the cuts with 3/8 same chain.

We also tested both out cutting firewood hardwoods back to back all day once.

We both voted for the 3750 over the 262 in handling, feel, comfort of handles,  etc, even though the 3750 had just a little less torque in the cut then 262.

 I hear ya Kevin...I'm just curious to the out come of Randy's work to a 3750.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 13, 2013, 06:44:43 am
Yes I did. I have not gassed it up yet.  I have been very busy.

 I for one would really like to see a video of this saw in some wood!!! (If you ever get time lol)

I tested my like new 3750 against a 262xp etc in nice clean even cants if you want to compare in the cuts with 3/8 same chain.

We also tested both out cutting firewood hardwoods back to back all day once.

We both voted for the 3750 over the 262 in handling, feel, comfort of handles,  etc, even though the 3750 had just a little less torque in the cut then 262.

 I hear ya Kevin...I'm just curious to the out come of Randy's work to a 3750.

I gotcha now. Somebody  ;) had their 60cc woods ported.   8) ;D
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: fastleo151 on March 13, 2013, 10:19:57 am
Yep, that was me and I haven't even started it yet. I did purchase a new chain brake assembly and recoil housing for it.  But they didn't come with decals.... so do any of you poulan guys have a source for them.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on July 23, 2013, 09:10:46 pm
We were talking about the Badboy 3450 using black tanks in the 3450 bad boy thread.   http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/poulan/tim-allen-3450-poulan-bad-boy/

I just noticed my 1st 3750 BB timbermaster (was on it too) with purple covers  had a black tank in this pic.  All my other 3750 BB saws had green tanks.


(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/poulans.jpg)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 03, 2013, 09:13:37 pm
I was out today doing some fire wood cutting with Tim Allen 3750.   I had forgotten how good that saw runs and cuts.   I have not started and ran this saw for about 2 years now I am guessing.    This is one that I had bought and split the case because of a hole into the oil tank from the chain adjuster.    I did most of the welding from the inside of the crank case.

(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=95.0;attach=4234;image)

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 03, 2013, 09:18:29 pm
Runnin that 3750 today kind of motivated me to get started on the other one that I got from woodchuck, your old one Kevin.

I got my compressor in place today and I just need to bolt the motor and compressor in place.   
Then wire it up and put a regulator and water trap on it again.    I found my flex shaft today also and can get it put in a place so that it can be used also.   Once that is done then I can start working on some saws again.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on November 04, 2013, 12:40:17 pm
Be neat to see that butcher job on that crankcase (for a bowsaw) to be welded back up right.  Make sure to share pics.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 24, 2013, 05:34:15 pm
Be neat to see that butcher job on that crankcase (for a bowsaw) to be welded back up right.  Make sure to share pics.

Well the crankcase is welded up and put back together and the cylinder is cleaned up and I am getting ready to put it back on with a new piston and rings.   The cylinder cleaned up real nice and I lowered it by .020" giving me a squish of about .024" with out the base gasket.   I also opened up the intake port and exhaust port some by widening.   I left the transfers alone.  I hope to get at least 150psi or more out it when put back together.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: fossil on November 24, 2013, 08:27:16 pm
All that in the cold! Pretty stout for a Californian.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 24, 2013, 08:38:28 pm
All that in the cold! Pretty stout for a Californian.

You have me laughing.     It did get up to about 40 today so that was not to bad.   I have figured out though, that wearing gloves is a must when handling cold objects like cylinders.   Cold objects will suck the heat right out of my fingers...   

   I am hoping when done that this is going to be a great runner and will make it one of my firewood saws.   I also have a NOS chain brake and clutch cover that I will use on it.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 27, 2013, 03:16:24 pm
Dang Roger ugly betty going to turn out to be a nice one in your hands.

History......#3  for me at the time.

That Time Allen BadBoy 3750 came from Ga off feebay and had been cut to use a bowsaw.  I had to split and fix crankcase  bar oil leaking into crank area.  Then loaned out and brought back scored up worse after first clean up.
I then traded it to ms460woodchuck after meeting halfway in Ohio in a 5 saw trade. He put it on feebay later on and low and behold 3000 fps has her in his mits showing her the welding and restore it needed.

How's she looking and are you going to touch the bare crankcase weld  to lime green? 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 27, 2013, 07:41:48 pm
Well I am done with the TA 3750.   This baby runs great but have not had a chance to put in wood yet or tune in wood yet.
 This week end that is for sure.

So what we have is:
Installed new piston and ring.
Installed new intake boot.
Installed new crank seals.
Installed new fuel line and filter.
Installed new impulse line with black rubber line.
Installed new HDA 134 carb.
Installed new chain adjuster.
Installed new chain brake and clutch cover.
Installed new bucking spike.
Installed new air filter.
Installed new intake carb gasket that I made.

Shaved bottom of cylinder off and without base gasket I got a squish of .024".
Widened up the intake port and the exhaust port.
Matched the muffler to the exhaust port and completed a muffler mod.
Used a 320 grit ball hone on cylinder to clean it up some.  It looked real nice.
I will be taking a compression test after I have run it a little more to see where it ended up at.
Advanced the timing by 4 degrees using the penny trick for a key way.
And of course welded up the area that had been ground away from a bow bar that was on it.
I am just going to leave it bare magnesium and no paint. 

This is a shot before welding.
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=95.0;attach=4623;image)

This is a shot after welding.
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=95.0;attach=4625;image)

Here it is all put together and ready for the bar and chain.
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=95.0;attach=4627;image)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 27, 2013, 09:56:27 pm
Dang Roger ugly betty going to turn out to be a nice one in your hands.

History......#3  for me at the time.

That Time Allen BadBoy 3750 came from Ga off feebay and had been cut to use a bowsaw.  I had to split and fix crankcase  bar oil leaking into crank area.  Then loaned out and brought back scored up worse after first clean up.
I then traded it to ms460woodchuck after meeting halfway in Ohio in a 5 saw trade. He put it on feebay later on and low and behold 3000 fps has her in his mits showing her the welding and restore it needed.

How's she looking and are you going to touch the bare crankcase weld  to lime green? 

That is pretty cool with the history on the saw.   I am anxious to try it in some wood.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 10, 2013, 05:04:12 pm
Look what I found.   Brand new for 4.97.     It is getting prettier.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 10, 2013, 05:11:34 pm
Sweet......................

I like the shorter dawg you put on there too. Have no clue what they were thinking with the other ones.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Eccentric on December 10, 2013, 05:13:01 pm
Look what I found.   Brand new for 4.97.     It is getting prettier.



Yep.  For some reason the black tops are around $7 (still cheap) and the purple tops are $5.  Not sure why the purples are cheaper.  You'd think that they'd be more expensive, as they were produced in smaller numbers.  Oh well....
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Eccentric on December 10, 2013, 05:15:15 pm
Sweet......................

I like the shorter dawg you put on there too. Have no clue what they were thinking with the other ones.

The theory that has been posed before is that it was a way for Poulan to fit these saws with a longer bar (22") for marketing purposes, without taxing the saw too much (effectively it's more like a 20" bar with those stupidly long spikes).  I replaced the dumbo spikes on my PP330 with the shorter ones from an earlier saw in the series.  Sold the saw with those spikes..............and still have the dumbos sitting in a parts box somewhere.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 10, 2013, 08:11:25 pm
Look what I found.   Brand new for 4.97.     It is getting prettier.



Yep.  For some reason the black tops are around $7 (still cheap) and the purple tops are $5.  Not sure why the purples are cheaper.  You'd think that they'd be more expensive, as they were produced in smaller numbers.  Oh well....

I was very surprised to find a cylinder cover for 5 bucks and that it was still available.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 10, 2013, 08:12:05 pm
Not only does it cut good but it is starting to look good.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 660magnum on December 10, 2013, 08:23:18 pm
I've used some of cut4fun's 3750's and they are a very respectable 60cc chainsaw. I had a Poulan 3500  60cc for some 15 years and liked it very well but then I found that his 3570's were a significant power improvement over the 3500 at basically the same size and weight.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 10, 2013, 08:31:20 pm
I've used some of cut4fun's 3750's and they are a very respectable 60cc chainsaw. I had a Poulan 3500  60cc for some 15 years and liked it very well but then I found that his 3570's were a significant power improvement over the 3500 at basically the same size and weight.

You are right the 3750's run pretty good stock so you can imagine how this would run with about .030" removed from the cylinder base and then with the intake and exhaust port widened up and the exhaust matched to the muffler and the muffler also was opened up.   The saw still needs to break in so it will just get better.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 660magnum on December 10, 2013, 08:37:26 pm
Gonna be a lot'a fun.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 12, 2013, 06:18:49 pm
Here is a vid of the 3750.  I also checked the compression and got 160 psi which should get better as the saw breaks in.

http://youtu.be/GCDkSAabtt4







Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on December 12, 2013, 07:18:29 pm
Sounds good in the cut.  WTG. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 660magnum on December 12, 2013, 08:23:00 pm
Carrying good rpm in the cut.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 12, 2013, 08:26:42 pm
Carrying good rpm in the cut.

When I got the saw it had a 3/8ths 8 pin rim, I did know if Kevin put that on there but I left it on and it seems to handle it ok.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 12, 2013, 08:36:01 pm
Carrying good rpm in the cut.

When I got the saw it had a 3/8ths 8 pin rim, I did know if Kevin put that on there but I left it on and it seems to handle it ok.

You sure it wasnt 7 3/8 or a 8 325?   That drum should be small oregon spline. I have no 8 for that only special Danzco rims for small 8.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 12, 2013, 09:25:40 pm
Carrying good rpm in the cut.

When I got the saw it had a 3/8ths 8 pin rim, I did know if Kevin put that on there but I left it on and it seems to handle it ok.

You sure it wasnt 7 3/8 or a 8 325?   That drum should be small oregon spline. I have no 8 for that only special Danzco rims for small 8.

Well I could have swore that the rim had an 8 on it when I had it apart and I know that the chain is 3/8 along with the bar.  Now you have me wondering.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 31, 2013, 03:50:55 pm
I took the clutch off of the 3750 today and Kevin you are correct it is a 7 pin rim.  I must have seen the 8 from 3/8 at a glance and it stuck in my mind.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 11, 2014, 10:41:21 pm
Guy offered me this poulan 3750 badboy tim allen edition for $100 plus shipping. Says it runs like new.   I passed.

Just looks like it needs a cleaning from pic.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 11, 2014, 10:42:40 pm
What was wrong with it?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 11, 2014, 10:44:16 pm
What was wrong with it?

Says it runs great like new.  Just a bad feeling about the guy that I dont know over the net. So I stayed away.

It is in NC.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: The Ripper on January 12, 2014, 11:31:59 am
What do the TA and 3.7 weight with bars?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 12, 2014, 11:55:00 am
Take the 330 PHO weight shown here somewhere and  add the b+c weight your using.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 12, 2014, 12:05:32 pm
I am going to break down and get a scale so I can start weighing some of these saws.   I am a bit curious about some of them myself.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 12, 2014, 12:06:19 pm
Poulan 330 PHO weight   by Mark.  Being the 3750 is same saw with 60cc instead of 54cc top. Bet real close.

(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1182.0;attach=1565;image)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 12, 2014, 12:07:11 pm
Mark has weighed most of them PHO empty already. I saved the 335 330 475 ones.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: The Ripper on January 12, 2014, 03:24:18 pm
Thanks!  Now I know what models to search for.

3000.....your 3.7 sounds strong and healthy ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 12, 2014, 08:31:46 pm
Thanks!  Now I know what models to search for.

3000.....your 3.7 sounds strong and healthy ;)

Thanks, I like those saws a lot and have 3 now.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 17, 2014, 04:49:32 pm
Well I took a whole bunch of pictures of saws with their weight so I am no longer wondering.  Here is one of the 3750.   Power head only, no fluids, every thing on the saw as if ready to cut, like hand guard bar plates, clutch cover with bar nuts.   Remember this saw did not come with a chain brake which makes a big difference in the weight.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 16, 2017, 02:44:58 pm
Must be the start of 60cc week. Found 380 3750 NOS p+c kit and a T-3 3450.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 16, 2017, 06:11:50 pm
You are kidding.    Another nice find.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 16, 2017, 07:32:58 pm
Dealers prices that were listed


cylinder list 98.34
piston list 40.74

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 16, 2017, 07:42:15 pm
top
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Eccentric on January 16, 2017, 08:44:03 pm
Wow....
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 21, 2017, 01:09:17 pm
Found another poulan 380 3750 NOS cylinder piston at ole dealer. Working on getting this one too.
Hate paying dealer retail but you cant buy them anymore since going NLA at ordertree.

My type 3 3450 60cc showed up yesterday. Peeked inside and piston looked good on exhaust side. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 21, 2017, 11:27:54 pm
Found another poulan 380 3750 NOS cylinder piston at ole dealer. Working on getting this one too.
Hate paying dealer retail but you cant buy them anymore since going NLA at ordertree.

My type 3 3450 60cc showed up yesterday. Peeked inside and piston looked good on exhaust side. 

Done deal. 2 NOS poulan pro 380 3750 topend kits coming

Need to work some more OT now to pay for 2 saws and 2 NOS topends.  Worked OT today to help some.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 26, 2017, 04:43:01 pm
Yeah everything has finally arrived.   Need to open the boxes to make sure all made it safely.   

Poulan 3450 type 3 60cc. 
2 NOS 60cc cylinders
2 NOS 60cc piston kits
2 415 475 cylinder covers
1 PP415

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on March 26, 2017, 03:37:34 pm
A Poulan 3750 is on my bucket list.  One of these days mine will find me...
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 26, 2017, 11:16:41 pm
A Poulan 3750 is on my bucket list.  One of these days mine will find me...

I don't blame you.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 22, 2017, 08:03:05 pm
Helping a guy that inherited a tim allen bad boy 3750 that lost a fight with a tree.  To get it back to the green tank instead of the yellow one he put on it.

Told him I aint married to any saw or part. We came to a price fair for both of us.

So I wont be doing a green tank 3500 right now with big carb and intake.  :-\

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: ajdjrn on April 22, 2017, 10:33:38 pm
Helping a guy that inherited a tim allen bad boy 3750 that lost a fight with a tree.  To get it back to the green tank instead of the yellow one he put on it.

Told him I aint married to any saw or part. We came to a price fair for both of us.

So I wont be doing a green tank 3500 right now with big carb and intake.  :-\

And I'm very grateful for your generosity. Never knew a couple of Poulans would replace a couple of Stihls. Never cared much for floating the mainstream anyway.




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Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on April 24, 2017, 09:02:26 pm
Helping a guy that inherited a tim allen bad boy 3750 that lost a fight with a tree.  To get it back to the green tank instead of the yellow one he put on it.

Told him I aint married to any saw or part. We came to a price fair for both of us.

So I wont be doing a green tank 3500 right now with big carb and intake.  :-\



I have to say that the yellow and green is worse than my yellow and red.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 13, 2017, 09:50:15 am
Poulan 380 3750 3500 365 craftsman 3.7 all use 49mm 1.5mm ring.  Have any of you ever ran the stihl 039 MS390 042 TS400 ring which is 49mm 1.5mm too in the poulans?  Also dolmar 6800

Caber also has a 49mm 1.5mm ring

Just lining up other ring options when they quit selling the poulan oem rings. ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 13, 2017, 12:05:53 pm
Jason Cerven = Yes sir i have but i came across it by accident, i was a Poulan Pro and Dolmar dealer at the same time through the early 2000's and coincidentally had a 380 and a new chassis Dolmar on the bench at the same time both for top end replacements due to customers running straight gas and got to looking at the rings and noticed they were basically identical, lol. Much cheaper through Poulan though if i remember right though.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 06, 2017, 05:54:10 pm
Member of my chainsaw repair group and here now has them both. poulan 3450 badboy and big brother poulan 3750 badboy.

poulan bad boy timbermaster  3450 3750

pic of both together

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: farmboy on November 06, 2017, 07:50:38 pm
Sold one of my 3500's Sat.  I did pet it and say sweet nothings to it before it left.  Got a premium for it couldn't say no.
Shep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on November 06, 2017, 09:40:30 pm
Sold one of my 3500's Sat.  I did pet it and say sweet nothings to it before it left.  Got a premium for it couldn't say no.
Shep

Yep word has sure got out about those saws.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 06, 2017, 10:00:26 pm
Sold one of my 3500's Sat.  I did pet it and say sweet nothings to it before it left.  Got a premium for it couldn't say no.
Shep

Yep word has sure got out about those saws.   

Put alot of them 3500 etc in folks hands and never a complaint. Opens their eyes up once they run one.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 13, 2017, 11:26:24 am
If anyone is wanting to put a poulan 3750 60cc tim allen badboy TA BB    collection shelves

I am going to put this one into the right hands.  One of the nicer ones I have had with intact clutch cover decal and bar still have the screen print on it.

Local guy wants a 60cc to do his limbing in the logging he does. But I cant see this one getting wore out if a collector wants it.

What I have in it plus shipping or will trade for the right saw , bang bang , etc.  Throw ideas at me. 

I know wrong time of years but can wait till after new years for shipping etc too. 

Can get better close up pics later.  Before shipped pics and after unboxing.





Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 24, 2017, 05:59:01 pm
I was going through the 3750 trade in  and noticed the  part #13 on page 2 in wrong place (in between outside carb and filter plate) and was missing part number #24 on page 2 that goes inside the intake boot and gasket goes on then carb.    poulan 3750 IPL http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Poulan%203750.pdf

Noticed it had the heavy duty 3 shoe clutch. Will check later to see if a 137 carb or 164.

Glad I gave it a look over before getting ready for a couple collectors that are wanting one.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 26, 2017, 12:36:32 pm
Just showing to always check your saws you take in before selling to others. Even though you are told everything is right in the world.
The gasket is shown on outside of carb and between the air filter base. The metal part where gasket goes onto inside intake boot was missing. IMO it would probably have gotten a air leak and burned up if not caught by new owner.
Going to put in new echo oem lines for impulse and fuel while in there. Plus the right size fuel filter.

Chit forgot pic of the HD 3 shoe clutch for new owner.

Turned out the 3450 parts saw I took in too has a busted tank on it I wasnt told about. I was checking it over to see what it needed for a build. Dang throttle lock area broke off the tank.   :D ::)

pics 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 26, 2017, 01:32:13 pm
Showing the 2 shoe and 3 shoe clutch

Then the broken 3450 tank that was traded to me.   :-X :-\ :'(

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 28, 2017, 04:13:43 pm
piston has like new looking witness lines ext and int sides. 

new lines and part installed in boot with gasket.

has the hda-137 carb too. Unreal thinking first bb I seen all 3 of them on saw. HD clutch, 137 and front exit muffler.

clean low hour saw IMHO

Found only 3 more things missing. Coarse AV outer screw and 2 rubber top cover bumpers. All put on the saw from my parts.


Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 29, 2017, 12:15:46 pm
Anyone remember off hand if the HDA137 takes the same carb kit as HDA164?  I am thinking yes.

I had to know how well it cut. Runs great in start of cut then starts to bog like running out of fuel. So let off of cut catch up and do it again.  Last time I had one do this it was a stiff hardened diaphragm. 

So carb prob has original carb kit in it betting 18-22 years old.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 29, 2017, 12:17:30 pm
Yep same kit like I thought

K22-HDA  repair

D22-HDA  dia

Save so I know which one to dig out

137  https://walbro.force.com/parts/comm_partsservicedetails?partId=a0Fo000000V5C5WEAV

164  https://walbro.force.com/parts/comm_partsservicedetails?partId=a0Fo000000V5C5uEAF
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 29, 2017, 05:24:53 pm
Hot dang checked after supper and had new carb rebuild kit in the bins.   Just finished rebuilding carb on the kitchen table. ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 29, 2017, 06:43:43 pm
yep

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 29, 2017, 07:03:14 pm
Runs and cuts great. IMHO. But I still think the mounting area on boot might have a hair split in it from that piece missing before. I am thinking of pulling down and putting a new intake boot on it.  Better safe then sorry.

Was talking to Aaron about this and he had one I guess he talked about here somewhere. Maybe in 380 thread.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 29, 2017, 07:24:22 pm
Going to put a intake boot in it too.  Just cant take a chance on this saw for the next owner.  Runs and cuts great. IMHO. But I still think the mounting area on boot might have a hair split in it  around carb bolt area  from that piece missing before. Better safe then sorry with $15 part.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 31, 2017, 09:37:47 am
 :o :D

Going to be awhile on installing new intake boot. It is like frozen in this -4 this morning. Rubber feels like non pliable and would break off. 

Brought inside to warm it.  :P

 Betting ole one has a small split right where it goes around the carb bolts. My WAG from what I am seeing. Will show pics when I pull carb and then old boot. I would bet on it.



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 01, 2018, 03:16:04 pm
 Never warmed up enough to leave saw with the rubber parts in shop with heater running. So brought it in with the boot I brought in yesterday to thaw out LOL
Pics of what I think may have caused a ever so tiny air leak. Dont see how with the inner metal part and then gasket on top of that, but not worth the chance IMHO with a $16 part and my offer for free labor.

pics old and new
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 01, 2018, 03:21:52 pm
What a pita with not having proper lighting etc in the kitchen LOL

Ask the wife she smell mix at all and she said not as bad as the carb rebuild was. rutroa  ;)

Ready for test session but think I will pass with 8F right now and the wind just a howling.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 01, 2018, 04:15:41 pm
Yep when it is that cold out and with the wind I just stay inside.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 01, 2018, 04:28:02 pm
Showed Aaron pics and he said yep he thinks it would be the cause for sure on the ole boot.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 01, 2018, 04:31:44 pm
I just want this saw 100% right in my mind when I send it out west.   I was at about 95% but the tune on H bothered me as it was not something I had seen on any of the past saws in this series.

Oh had to chuckle during carb rebuild and didnt catch it till cleaning up. Was missing the old  gasket on the pump diagram side. Somebody had the carb apart before.   :P
No wonder it was acting like a stiff diaphragm running out of fuel in the cut.  :D

new on left and none on the right in pic

(https://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=95.0;attach=22901;image)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 04, 2018, 02:21:41 pm
8F with -10F wind chill. Fired it off but not tuned as I quit in the cut. Said to myself nope notta happening today.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 07, 2018, 12:08:44 pm
Found another one.    Poulan 3750 Tim Allen Badboy edtion.  Pic before I got it.
3hrs of driving later round trip.

Not keeping as I dont collect saws. Just got to get to right peoples hands someday.







Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 07, 2018, 03:02:20 pm
Back ground on poulan TA BB I was told. Owned by a older lady that had bought new.  Guy I got it from bought it from her years back.  He used it to do some limbing back then and no use for it now.

Told me it was a 37cc beast of a saw.   I figure it must of been a beast to him  thinking the 60cc was a 37cc.  :P

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 07, 2018, 05:04:03 pm
more

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 08, 2018, 09:54:27 am
Wow another good looking  BB.    Looks to be in nice shape.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 08, 2018, 10:26:07 am
Wow another good looking  BB.    Looks to be in nice shape.

Thinking the cleanest one with all decals too.  The nice one I sold Mike was missing the clutch cover decal. But otherwise just as nice.

I just wonder what happened to the original badboy bar. 
I wouldnt figure this to be the original bar but it matched the condition of the saw.

I'm getting to much into them but if I break even getting them into the right hands I will be happy.   

I know the parts alone come out way ahead what I have invested in the last 2 now. If such a thing was ever done.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 10, 2018, 12:08:58 pm
I was guessing it was red armor by the way it looked.  Was being run rich too.

He just text me back and it was AMSOIL DOMINATOR Synthetic 2-Stroke Racing Oil. Interesting.

Looked alot like Red armor to me.

So who runs the dominator? Was it you Nate?   

pics
(https://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6796.0;attach=23001;image)
(https://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6796.0;attach=23003;image)
(https://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6796.0;attach=22999;image)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 10, 2018, 09:11:06 pm
I have run the Amsoil synthetic racing oil before.   It seemed to work ok for me.   I got it for free from a guy in Cheyenne.   He wanted a single rod of AZ92a mag rod.    I never tore down a saw afterwards so I cannot comment on what it looked like in the cylinder.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Nathaniel Vansickle on January 10, 2018, 11:09:36 pm
no idea what dominator looks like, have a couple customers that run it in their saws but i stick to the saber....i stay away from the oils that arent specifically designed for air cooled OPE
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 11, 2018, 08:04:17 am
Just wondered on it. This dominator reminded me of the way red armor coated stuff. 

Already dumped it into clear qt jar for look see. Like to see what is coming out of the saws I take in.   Will be putting KL-200 back in to see where it was set at some day. Guessing whatever the factory was. Due to the epla red and blue stops on it.

Not to shabby for 1998 to 2018 saw.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Eccentric on January 16, 2018, 04:32:11 pm
That is a clean one.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: stubnail67 on January 20, 2018, 02:01:42 am
good looking saw! whats that one go for?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on February 07, 2018, 12:46:41 am
Love this saw:

https://youtu.be/WfJkQdeZ4Hg
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: stubnail67 on February 07, 2018, 09:48:44 pm
dam thought i was going to get to see one cutting...... :'(
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on February 08, 2018, 02:19:31 pm
Well here we go!!!

https://youtu.be/BJzg2AGQO5E
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 08, 2018, 02:27:17 pm
@Revpop put that video in the CR group too. I got one comparing the 3750 and 262 in cuts with muffler mods on both and same chain.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: stubnail67 on February 08, 2018, 06:17:34 pm
saw sounds good.....
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 12, 2018, 07:31:11 am
Getting the newest Bad Boy ready for new owner. He said he had a NIB PP330 too.

Put new impulse line, new fuel line and pulled them red and blue plastic epa stops to get full carb adjustment.

Just doing some trading.

pics

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on March 08, 2018, 01:56:52 pm
For larger diameter Fir tree woodcutting Poulan 3750 with Oregon 280RNDK095 .050" Gauge 3/8" Pitch 28" Power Match Bar and  OREGON 72JGX093G 93 Drive Link Super Guard Skip Sequence Chain, 3/8-Inch.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 08, 2018, 02:11:36 pm
So you try it yet?   JGX I was glad to see chain picked.


I ran the full skip on 24" but in dry hard ash buried. Ported 380 60cc no troubles. But when I mistakenly put it on stock 330 54cc first I thought wth barely getting through cuts slowly.   :P

Poulan did offer a 28" K041 oem bar but the dl count was shorter.  90DL
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on March 08, 2018, 02:27:26 pm
No have not cut it yet, sorry probably put in wrong post.  Just line-up/ fit check and oiling operational check so far.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 08, 2018, 02:30:50 pm
No have not cut it yet, sorry probably put in wrong post.  Just line-up/ fit check and oiling operational check so far.   

Suppose to be in the 3750 badboy one?  I can move and merge.

K095 bar and filed outward to bar groove for oiling?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on March 08, 2018, 04:30:32 pm
First test cut. Not been a big fan of skip tooth chain but this is starting to be kind of convincing for me.

Oregon 280RNDK095 .050" Gauge 3/8" Pitch 28" Power Match Bar and  OREGON 72JGX093G 93 Drive Link Super Guard Skip Sequence Chain, 3/8-Inch.

https://cdn.smfboards.com/caf/images/bbc/url.gif
https://youtu.be/YUF3TGPvLcs
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 09, 2018, 06:23:32 am
I now see why I see guys in the pnw using 290 310 with what I always thought was to long of bars on those saws. I knew they were cutting the softwoods but still wondered how well they would do.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on March 09, 2018, 11:56:19 am
I always wondered why those guys on the East Coast aren't happy unless they have a Chevy 454 bolted up to a 16" bar like they are cutting steel with it or something.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 09, 2018, 03:31:13 pm
I always wondered why those guys on the East Coast aren't happy unless they have a Chevy 454 bolted up to a 16" bar like they are cutting steel with it or something.

That be me.   :P ;D
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: HolmenTree on March 10, 2018, 06:49:26 am
I always wondered why those guys on the East Coast aren't happy unless they have a Chevy 454 bolted up to a 16" bar like they are cutting steel with it or something.
Me too . But only difference when I was logging I didn't bore cut with that short bar when felling.
I guess because I didn't log hardwood like the eastern guys did.
Majority of my spruce and pine trees on a strip had a common lean in one direction.
Hardwood can have a bad lean every which way.




Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: HolmenTree on March 10, 2018, 06:55:48 am
Stihl made a 20" ES bar with a huge 13 tooth 3/8 nose which is no longer available and correct me if I'm wrong...the east coast hardwooders loved that bar for all day bore cutting.
That's one bar I need for my collection, I had many chances to buy.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2018, 07:15:55 pm
Poulan 60cc aftermarket piston for the 380 3750 365 3500 3.7

Guy I know putting one in a PP380. Pretty much he said the ring looks crappy.
Circlips wouldnt use, wrist pin looks thick and heavy (hope oem fits myself), so basicly looks like all you get is the bare piston and put caber or oem or stihl rings on it, use oem circlips and wrist pin.

pics.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 10, 2018, 07:17:47 pm
more pics of oem and afm piston


afm left and caber right


Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 10, 2018, 08:39:52 pm
That wrist pin looks like it will add a little weight to it.     I think I would chuck it up in a lathe and drill it out some more or use the OEM.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 11, 2018, 08:03:45 am
The guy south of me doing the PP380 said the oem wrist pin fit nice in the aftermarket 60cc piston.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 13, 2018, 10:04:21 am
Owner of the poulan pro 380 said the oem circlips wouldnt work in the afm piaton.

(((((( Good good compression only thing not oem is the piston, but has caber ring with oem wrist pin. Oem circlips didn’t fit right so had to go with what came with the piston they snapped it nice and tight.  )))))

Finished chainsaw and 20" PP new bar and chain $55 shipped.



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Revpop on March 14, 2018, 02:36:44 pm
No have not cut it yet, sorry probably put in wrong post.  Just line-up/ fit check and oiling operational check so far.   

Suppose to be in the 3750 badboy one?  I can move and merge.

K095 bar and filed outward to bar groove for oiling?

Yes, confirmed has the dedicated diagonal small machined oiling holes are on both upper sides of the 28" new bar.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Sty57 on March 14, 2018, 09:32:48 pm
What crank bearings does this series of saws use?
Are they proprietary or just a standard like a 6202/6203?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on March 14, 2018, 09:35:26 pm
What crank bearings does this series of saws use?
Are they proprietary or just a standard like a 6202/6203?


I have had the bearings out of these saws but I do not remember if there was a number on them.    I was always able to get the OEM at the time. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 15, 2018, 07:07:05 am
Thinking 6202 off the top of my head, being they are same as lot of saws like the 372 etc.  OEM like 3-4 bucks at ordertree   last time I bought a bunch.

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Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Sty57 on March 15, 2018, 08:13:08 am
Thanks, I like it when saws use standard bearings as I have 2 different Bearing suppliers just down the road from work.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 15, 2018, 09:44:46 am
Thanks, I like it when saws use standard bearings as I have 2 different Bearing suppliers just down the road from work.

That would be nice for sure.   What kind of prices you pay for 02 and 03?
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Sty57 on March 15, 2018, 09:54:22 am
3-$5 is what I normally pay, but I have gotten some from Fastenal to try in my own stuff for $1.99.
They seem like nice bearings so far. I have had them in my 372 and 262 for over a year.
I just like being able to walk in and out with them in my hand on the way home from work.

https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/0474387?term=6202&r=~%7Ccategoryl1:%22603582%20Power%20Transmission%209and%20Motors%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl2:%22610631%20Unmounted%20Bearings%22%7C~%20~%7Ccategoryl3:%22612457%20Ball%20Bearings%22%7C~%20~%7Csattr09:%5E%2224000%20rpm%22$%7C~
 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 12, 2018, 09:11:09 am
Pawn shop TA for $100 asking. Was 2hr drive one way so past on it.  Sold now 2 days later.


Just saving pic of it.


Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 20, 2018, 12:39:01 pm
Member here and CR-G

Another good day of firewood cutting in the great Pacific Northwest yesterday. Poulan 3750 did all the work yesterday with 28" bar. Great setup for the Titan Doug Fir out here.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 12, 2018, 07:57:58 am
The guy I bought this badboy 3750 from seen it in the chainsaw repair group testing and ask if I would sell it back to him.  I told him no problem being the guy that I was holding it for hasnt paid for it as of yet as of 6-7 months now.
Was his grandfathers saw and he was having sellers remorse.  I told him it is coming back way better then received.

I had put new intake boot, like new 137 carb I had on hand to replace the 137 on it that had some blockage.  New echo oem black fuel and impulse lines.

I had it set up to be tested this weekend with a little planned gtg of some saw testing in 60cc range.  But since I shipped it yesterday I tested it and the echo 590 yesterday in a 8" round and 30" dry ash logs.   
3750 was running perfect now. 

Just so you know watch ups shipping rates as I have always used ups, but no more. They have went up sky high recently. Way more then fedex and usps. I left with the box yesterday because ups wanted $59.55 to GA for 19lb box with 300 ins, 24x16x15. fedex and usps were both way cheaper. 





Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: old 040 on June 12, 2018, 05:33:52 pm
Nice, been eyeing the one C-list in my area that's currently listed, a little pricey though.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 12, 2018, 08:03:01 pm
Nice, been eyeing the one C-list in my area that's currently listed, a little pricey though.

If the one I seen. Probably the one I owned at one time. If so was nicest one I have had to date. Has a like new poulan labeled 22" on it.  Traded it to a tree guy up in Cleveland.  It was right when traded and with new oem echo impulse and fuel lines.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: farmboy on June 12, 2018, 10:51:24 pm
Just shipped a NIB Makita 6100 in factory box FedEx to Scott Kunz aka TreeMonkey NC to WI $52.00 w/$600.00 ins. Not happy!
Shep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: old 040 on June 13, 2018, 05:08:54 am
Nice, been eyeing the one C-list in my area that's currently listed, a little pricey though.

If the one I seen. Probably the one I owned at one time. If so was nicest one I have had to date. Has a like new poulan labeled 22" on it.  Traded it to a tree guy up in Cleveland.  It was right when traded and with new oem echo impulse and fuel lines.
Yep, quite sure we're talk'n the same saw, I have a ton of traders, may still contact him and see if we can work something out..... ;)
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 13, 2018, 07:56:45 am
Nice, been eyeing the one C-list in my area that's currently listed, a little pricey though.

If the one I seen. Probably the one I owned at one time. If so was nicest one I have had to date. Has a like new poulan labeled 22" on it.  Traded it to a tree guy up in Cleveland.  It was right when traded and with new oem echo impulse and fuel lines.
Yep, quite sure we're talk'n the same saw, I have a ton of traders, may still contact him and see if we can work something out..... ;)

He is looking for a modern 70cc + saw and has 2 60cc poulans in great shape to trade for one. The other one is a 3450 but could be a type 3 or someone has put the 60cc top on.

Also just told me a stick edger and looking for something newer in the 50cc range. 5105,550,261. Anything 50cc really, just newer easy to source parts for. Also a top handle, preferably a 192t
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 13, 2018, 07:58:27 am
Just shipped a NIB Makita 6100 in factory box FedEx to Scott Kunz aka TreeMonkey NC to WI $52.00 w/$600.00 ins. Not happy!
Shep

That sounds like ups here. Have you always used fedex and have they went up?  They were normal priced here Mon still. 

Wish I had a stock 6100 local to throw in the mix sat.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 14, 2018, 07:31:17 am
ups is on a roll here. They get here about 6pm to drop off the 2083 box yesterday. Tracking showed it being out for delivery too. So I walk out to meet them.  They (there is 2) take awhile and come to the front and say your box is suppose to be on the truck but isnt here.  So far today no new tracking to state where the box is.  Guess I will be calling the main office in town today.

Saw I shipped out arrived safely with fedex at least yesterday.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 14, 2018, 09:02:28 am
 Says loaded again. Will see by 6pm I hope. Mansfield, OH, United States 06/14/2018 7:49 A.M. Loaded on Delivery Vehicle

least they found it.

UPDATE:  must have brought right over. Saw in hand.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: farmboy on June 14, 2018, 10:43:29 pm
Just shipped a NIB Makita 6100 in factory box FedEx to Scott Kunz aka TreeMonkey NC to WI $52.00 w/$600.00 ins. Not happy!
Shep

That sounds like ups here. Have you always used fedex and have they went up?  They were normal priced here Mon still. 

Wish I had a stock 6100 local to throw in the mix sat.


Always done FedEx.  If it wouldn't cost me $50.00 I'd send you one. I have 4. 2 Blue, 1 badged Dolmar red & 1 badged Makita red.
Shep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: HolmenTree on June 15, 2018, 10:22:26 am
I traded some parts with a guy in Oregon recently, I'm in Canada.
I sent my parts by ground with Canada Post, no insurance with a $ 1 value as a gift. Cost me $15 US.
My Oregon trading partner send his parts by Fed Ex. No insurance, no value as a gift. Behind his back (so he says) Fed Ex put a $100 value on it, and classified the Stihl 066 parts as US origin of manufacture. A few weeks later after I get the parts Fed Ex sends me a customs/duty bill for $40. My trading partner never got a bill.

Now Kevin all the parts I had UPS sent from you and others like Chainsaw Lady  I never got a customs bill.
So must be a difference between the 2 country postal systems and Fed Ex....or maybe Trump recently had something to do with it, lol.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 15, 2018, 11:05:51 am
Willard I send stuff to you and anywhere out of US by way of USPS not ups.   Just so you know. ups is the brown truck folks down here.

I wont ship outside US using fedex or ups. I know they have fees they add for up there.  Only USPS to you from me.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: HolmenTree on June 15, 2018, 11:36:49 am
Willard I send stuff to you and anywhere out of US by way of USPS not ups.   Just so you know. ups is the brown truck folks down here.

I wont ship outside US using fedex or ups. I know they have fees they add for up there.  Only USPS to you from me.
Thanks Kevin for the clarification. Yes I meant USPS, excellent postal service you guys in the states have.
I think our Canada Post still run stage coach and dog sleds most times lol.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 19, 2018, 04:04:00 pm
 Think I will go check the tune on the PP380 since it didnt seen right in the big wood test we did over weekend and see how it does in the cant with same chain. It is a test saw that is being run with a minor scored piston and new ring. 590 owned the 380 3750 in big wood. But the 3750 turned the tables in the small ash log. So see how the 380 does.

590 scored piston 140psi  Before with carb stops removed.  3.25 2.94 2.90
After muffler mod.   2.84 2.78 2.75

380 still not running right after tuning. Has run on.   2.47 2.79 2.72

https://youtu.be/fPKntf_Ndq0
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: stubnail67 on June 19, 2018, 05:48:35 pm
the new to you echo you got has a slightly scored piston? i should check mine.... its done very little cutting and i pulled the limiters not long after i bought it and set it rich for break in.....even not running right that saw cuts fast......
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 21, 2018, 04:20:54 pm
Got a used 60cc topend in.  Betting the sides of exhaust outlet is 1/4" blocked on both side.  The ring was all carboned up in groove too.  Wonder what oil and how rich they were running the poor saw.   

Will get pics in a bit.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on June 22, 2018, 08:37:21 am
Got a used 60cc topend in.  Betting the sides of exhaust outlet is 1/4" blocked on both side.  The ring was all carboned up in groove too.  Wonder what oil and how rich they were running the poor saw.   

Will get pics in a bit.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 23, 2018, 08:42:13 am
Any poulan Tim Allen BadBoy collectors needing a 22" bar for their TA BB saw? I dont want to run this screen printed one figuring someone may want it for looks on their saw. Its used in good shape and the printing on it is what is left. Both sides shown. Open to trades or sell outright.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: redunshee on June 24, 2018, 06:36:58 am
590 or 600?  I replaced the piston on a 600 I picked up. Runs pretty good after some tuning. Opened muff up a bit. Seems loud
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 24, 2018, 08:39:14 am
590 or 600?  I replaced the piston on a 600 I picked up. Runs pretty good after some tuning. Opened muff up a bit. Seems loud

590  starts around page 5 till replacing piston in end.  http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/echo/cs-590-wolf-review-bone-stock/msg82769/#new
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 18, 2019, 05:03:22 pm
Cant remember if I had put this poulan 3750 tim allen edition badboy ad from 1998 here.

Also one for sale in the chainsaw repair group. Looks like new. Only thing I seen wrong was the T handle.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on January 18, 2019, 09:22:53 pm
Yep nice looking saw for sure.    Check out that price on the ad.   $310.00. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 18, 2019, 10:05:11 pm
Thats why I looked ad up in first place. We were discussing how much they were back then.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 22, 2019, 01:05:50 pm
Bob's signed TA  ad back during the Tim Allen chainsaw promotion.



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 29, 2019, 09:49:31 am
Just saving some pics shared by Bob Morrison of some new in the box poulans.   :o

Never opened boxes.  Poulan Badboy 3750    Poulan pro 315    Poulan 50th anniversary saw  Opened but unused Poulan XX 20

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on May 01, 2019, 06:37:36 pm
That Bad Boy box is pretty cool.   Never seen one before. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 19, 2019, 01:36:16 pm
Well the one box was a NOS NLA 60cc piston I seen other day I forgot I had. The other was a used 54cc piston in a box. Can see on intake side under ring pin where it has been rubbing the wrist pin etc in the box. Not really anything to worry about IMHO.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 12, 2020, 11:10:53 am
Came across a NOS HDA137 carb today in a bin.  If someone needs one.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on March 08, 2020, 08:25:53 am
Another one a member just picked up in CRG. Saving pic because of the hardly used bar pic.

3 shoe, front exit and bet HDA-137



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: ssidwell on March 08, 2020, 09:32:04 pm
Nice

Steve S.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 23, 2020, 06:17:53 pm
Getting pics and finding parts for folks asking.

330 380 3450 3750 pulley.
2 air filter covers for same.
380 yellow tank.
365 builder with scored topend.
seal maybe 15 35 5

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 17, 2021, 09:45:33 am
Mitch has the other Poulan 3750 Badboy he picked up done and video made.  No still pics yet. 

So he has both 3450 3750 versions.



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 17, 2021, 09:51:19 am
Just seen this BB TA 3750 pics posted.

One of the cleanest bars and saws looks unused



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on April 11, 2021, 07:40:08 am
Looks like what scored this poulan 380 60cc  up was ripped intake boot.
Still had the epa carb stops on it.
Cylinder will clean up and I know I could save and run the piston. But there is decent aftermarket core piston to use out there now.
3 shoe clutch looks good. HDA164 under the grime. Was hoping for a 137.

Going to part it out. The tensioner area has slight crackk behind it. Plus can tell crank had moisture prob from sweat over years setting.

 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on June 11, 2021, 07:51:42 am
Found a pic of the Poulans I was using many years back.  XX aka 20, 2000, 260, 305, 330, 3750. I know the 2000 I bought new in 94. Rest were used fixed up.
 
That was the 3750 that go me into repairing saws.  Sold on bay cut runs prefect. Not when it is scoring and base gasket was tore. SMH



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on August 29, 2021, 07:57:54 pm
Guy in my chainsaw repair group finally found him a TA BB. x2. Only thing is this.

Never seen one busted there let alone 2.



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on August 29, 2021, 08:01:24 pm
So to help him save them. I donated my labor and split 2 parts saws for fly side crankcases.  15 apiece for parts I figure more then fair.

While doing that I split a 3000 crankcase for a guy for pto side, coil, on/off, clutch cover.



Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on August 29, 2021, 11:10:58 pm
Must have dropped it and it hit just right.    I do not how you would break a case like that. 
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun on August 30, 2021, 07:10:31 am
Must have dropped it and it hit just right.    I do not how you would break a case like that. 

First one I can see accident. But to do it twice in same area on 2 saws. Thats pretty wild.

Black rear handle cover  530049257
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 02, 2022, 08:42:07 am
Another NIB one found. That makes 4 of them new in box now we know about.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 26, 2023, 10:57:01 am
If this is a different one. That would make about 5 NOS Poulan 3750 Tim Allen Badboy new in the box I know of.

Collector in my chainsaw repair group facebook showing the one he just got.




Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 27, 2023, 03:12:31 pm
That is pretty cool.
I cannot not quite make out that price.   Does it say 379.99.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 27, 2023, 04:27:38 pm
That is pretty cool.
I cannot not quite make out that price.   Does it say 379.99.

Yep
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 27, 2023, 08:08:49 pm
Those saws were a little pricey when new, but they sure do work good.     I guess any saw worth a crap would have cost just as much.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 28, 2023, 06:21:37 am
Those saws were a little pricey when new, but they sure do work good.     I guess any saw worth a crap would have cost just as much.

Old ad in mag when first came out with a price.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on February 28, 2023, 11:00:38 am
Tim Allen even looked young there.   
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 21, 2023, 10:48:37 am
John bought this one last night off chainsaw repair group for 175 plus shipping. Running 22" poulan 3750 badboy green tank.

Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: 3000 FPS on December 21, 2023, 12:18:36 pm
Not a bad price for a TA 3750 that looks to be in nice condition.
Title: Re: Poulan 3750 badboy 380 60cc
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 22, 2023, 07:33:41 am
Not a bad price for a TA 3750 that looks to be in nice condition.

Think it was from Oregon. Surprised wasnt wore to a knob myself. 

Most have just been a homeowner saw used when needed like I do anymore.