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will jonsered disappear?
« on: March 07, 2013, 07:44:55 pm »
my local dealer told me that there will be no longer jonsered saws. he will sell what is left and thats it ,but he will be able to order parts.


is the same thing in ontario and the u.s.  ?

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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2013, 07:51:15 pm »
Jonsered is going in TSC stores here replacing husky.  They are revamping, no more Tilton. 

 Tell your dealer to check with new or his distributor.

 Might be the best thing Jonsered has done, I hope. Heck not a real jred dealer around me, except 1 I heard in a garage.
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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 09:16:55 pm »
Most of the old Redmax distributors have become the new Jonsered distributors. Red Max and Jonsered are in the same family anyway.

That's along the lines of the the Briggs & Stratton distributors became the Dolmar Distributors some years ago.
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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2013, 02:21:46 am »
Redmax/Zenoah, Jonsered, Husqvarna, McCulloch, Poulan... All same deal.

Jonsered has been wiggling on toilet seat for years now. Partner was shut down, Jonsered got the new 560 series for pro saws, so who knows?
They will hang in there a bit more, but the HVA corperate guy's don't want it.

Distributer nets is changing. Jonsered had two perhaps three main actors in North America.
They will continue sales with others if needed.

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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2013, 12:24:37 pm »
Where is the OP located?

I don't think we have anything to worry about here in the US. If there was any intention of killing the Jonsered brand here, then it would have been done with the termination of Tilton. There's little possibility that they would have set up this new distribution system if they didn't intend to maintain the brand in this market.

Wordlwide, it is also encouraging that Jonsered has gotten all of the new AT chassis such as the 2260 and 2253. Again, that's not a sign of a brand that's going away.
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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2013, 01:07:26 pm »
Where is the OP located?



If I remember Quebec Canada.
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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 01:32:51 pm »
Where is the OP located?

I don't think we have anything to worry about here in the US. If there was any intention of killing the Jonsered brand here, then it would have been done with the termination of Tilton. There's little possibility that they would have set up this new distribution system if they didn't intend to maintain the brand in this market.

Wordlwide, it is also encouraging that Jonsered has gotten all of the new AT chassis such as the 2260 and 2253. Again, that's not a sign of a brand that's going away.
I can only report back what is discussed at manufacturer. You can think what you want about it. I heard this talk for 20 years now.
If it were up to Elux it would have been gone a long time ago.

The new series were not supposed to be red. It was a last minute call, after Tilton decided to shut down Jonsered.
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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2013, 03:30:27 pm »
Where is the OP located?

I don't think we have anything to worry about here in the US. If there was any intention of killing the Jonsered brand here, then it would have been done with the termination of Tilton. There's little possibility that they would have set up this new distribution system if they didn't intend to maintain the brand in this market.

Wordlwide, it is also encouraging that Jonsered has gotten all of the new AT chassis such as the 2260 and 2253. Again, that's not a sign of a brand that's going away.
I can only report back what is discussed at manufacturer. You can think what you want about it. I heard this talk for 20 years now.
If it were up to Elux it would have been gone a long time ago.

The new series were not supposed to be red. It was a last minute call, after Tilton decided to shut down Jonsered.

Not sure of your meaning here. Are you suggesting ELUX wanted to kill it worldwide or just in the US? (Tilton was slowly killing it anyway, so they could have left it the way it was if that was their intention. LOL)

Yes, the future of Jonsered is a discussion that has been going on for a long time. But, haven't the new saws been available over there long before Husqvarna and Tilton parted ways? That would indicate that the decision to make the new models in Red has nothing to do with the Tilton situation.

But since your well connected there: We generally hear that Jonsered continues because there are some markets where it still holds a strong position. Canada is mentioned, along with "some parts of Europe", yet nobody ever says specifically where. Is this accurate? Are there areas where it is still a strong player? There are some areas in the US where it still does fairly well, such as the Northeast and Upper Midwest for sure. It certainly doesn't approach Husky numbers, but it's easily better than any brand besides Husky or Stihl.
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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2013, 04:58:54 am »
Not sure of your meaning here. Are you suggesting ELUX wanted to kill it worldwide or just in the US? (Tilton was slowly killing it anyway, so they could have left it the way it was if that was their intention. LOL)

Yes, the future of Jonsered is a discussion that has been going on for a long time. But, haven't the new saws been available over there long before Husqvarna and Tilton parted ways? That would indicate that the decision to make the new models in Red has nothing to do with the Tilton situation.

But since your well connected there: We generally hear that Jonsered continues because there are some markets where it still holds a strong position. Canada is mentioned, along with "some parts of Europe", yet nobody ever says specifically where. Is this accurate? Are there areas where it is still a strong player? There are some areas in the US where it still does fairly well, such as the Northeast and Upper Midwest for sure. It certainly doesn't approach Husky numbers, but it's easily better than any brand besides Husky or Stihl.
I try to answer this as best I can with the info I have. This is corporate politics's!

2004 Elux/Husqvarna wanted to stop Jonsered and Partner. The market was said to have no need for it. Since then it has been a fight within Elux/Husqvarna to keep them. Partner is gone, that era is now ended. Jonsered would be too if it were not for the users.
Canada, Italy, Scandinavia is part of the bit players I think.
No, the products are not available here long before export as it was before elux. The thinking changed with Elux and thoughts of big markets testing more and better faster than small ended the runs we had here testing new models. Now they are as Husqvarna released and tested on market so they save a year of pre production.

The new series pro saws released has nothing to do with Tilton only, it was the Jonsered devision that wanted it to satisfy a demand.
Big sales will ensure survival, no sales the opposite. To HVA it has no meaning what brand it is it is sales and numbers that are the key.

Why Tilton left it is corporate stuff between HVA and Tilton I bet. There is not much interest from HVA to continue it and I am sure it is a struggle for distributors to get new products alterations etc.
The decision to drop Jonsered from Tilton is Tiltons decision and has little to do with Husqvarnas production plans. They do as the share holders wish and board decide. I guess they got more and more tired of hearing the end was near. I would..

The big problem as I see it, for Husqvarna is that the ones that are red to the bone will not buy Husqvarna saws if there is no Jonny anymore.
They will get Dolmar or Stihl. I think they suspect this and try to keep Jonsered and the sales. This is good, but problem is the management and board is not seeing things as clear as we do that are in the industry seeing it daily.
Personally I think these are the last pro saws released in Jonsered brand.
To me Jonsered and what it stood for has been gone for 30 years, as Husqvarna and Partner. Elux swallowed them and call the shots.
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Re: will jonsered disappear?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2013, 05:15:18 am »
I would rather get a Jonsered for this reason: They are more tested. They are later out than 560.

I ran the 2260 this summer and I like the feel of it better than the 560. Engine ran the same.

I will likely never believe they get the fresh air engines to work well as they are against the principles of two stroke engines.
Pricipals are: A lot of power from low weight with fewer moving parts. It is Not fuel efficiant/hp/kg engin
They will need a series saws that run well to prove me wrong. The tricks they play with emissions will not work.
I believe they loose a lot more sales due to faults than they gain in the race low emissions, this go for all brands.
They would do better making thins that work.
Ones people smarten up and see the environment impact of making a new model, they will see the hole thing is a marketing thing to boost sales.
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