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« on: March 05, 2019, 08:45:31 am »
Pioneer  P61 I didnt get Sun. Was $200 or BO.  Son was in town so I didnt feel the need to make a 3hr round trip. = Family first.

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Re: P61
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2019, 09:02:54 am »
Pioneer made the best horizontal engine saws. They never did sell a verticle, but did make a verticle P35 prototype in 1976 to compete with the new European saws coming to North America at that time....before owner OMC jumped ship.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2019, 12:01:50 pm »
Pioneer made and sold vertical cylinder saws from 1946 to around 1971. I don't think they made a horizontal cylinder saw until the mid '60's.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2019, 12:46:49 pm »
Pioneer made and sold vertical cylinder saws from 1946 to around 1971. I don't think they made a horizontal cylinder saw until the mid '60's.
Fossil, you are correct they did under their IEL patent designs going way back to 1946 with the IEL Beaver the world's first 1 man chainsaw. But the company was IEL , Pioneer was their saw's model name.
 
OMC bought out IEL in 1956 then changed the company name to Pioneer in 1958 . They kept that IEL verticle design with the HC JC Ra etc. right up to 1964 with the 600 650 850 etc.
 Then in 1965 they left the IEL patent design and went with their own  horizontal cylinder to copy the 1964 Homelite XL.
Great company back in the day even into the 1980s joined up with Poulan, Partner under the Electrolux roof.
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Re: P61
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2019, 12:57:09 pm »
Sure like to seen what all these good chainsaw company's would have become if not bought out.  Maybe they would have just folded on their own, who knows  :'(

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Just trying to remember the chainsaw companies bought up by them over the years.  Any others that was bought for chainsaws?
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2019, 06:36:10 pm »
Sure like to seen what all these good chainsaw company's would have become if not bought out.  Maybe they would have just folded on their own, who knows  :'(

Partner Pioneer  Jonsereds  Poulan Zenoah aka old Redmax here   Mcculloch

Just trying to remember the chainsaw companies bought up by them over the years.  Any others that was bought for chainsaws?
Most of the North American manufactured saws were started up by either 1 man or a small group of people and most of them sold out by the late 1950s except for one Robert McCulloch . He was building small engines in the 1930s and by the late 1960s he built a small resort city in Arizona and moved a London Bridge from England to Arizona brick by brick in the early 1970's.  But he shortly after lost alot of money trying to get into the outboard motor industry  anf ended up selling he's company to Black and Decker in 1973. By 1977 he was dead in his 60's.
Claude Poulan did well by the mid 1950s he had a dozen saws on the market and then went public and sold shares on the stock market. Metal fabricator Charles Beaird bought all the stock of Poulan in 1959. The new Beaird -Poulan doubled in size and enjoyed 2 more decades of successful saw models, selling out in '73 and merged as poulan/Weedeater growing considerably larger before being bought by Electrolux in '78. Then going on into the 1980's getting bigger with another full line of professional saws.


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Re: P61
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2019, 11:35:10 am »
They also bought Roper and Jenn Feng who owned the McCulloch name and I believe they also bought Frontier Chainsaws.
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2019, 03:06:05 pm »
They also bought Roper and Jenn Feng who owned the McCulloch name and I believe they also bought Frontier Chainsaws.
Not sure about Roper. But Black and Decker sold McCulloch to a group of the company's employees,  who were then forced to sell it to Shop Vac Corp.
By 1998 the company was closed by the banks and the rights to use the name in the US were auctioned to the Taiwanese Jenn Feng Co.
Electrolux picked up the rights to use the McCulloch name outside the US.
Makes sense for vacuum cleaner company (Electrolux) to buy out Shop Vac.
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