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2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« on: January 16, 2019, 07:01:51 pm »
Synthetic oil,mineral oil,even old castor oil,what do you think is the best mix oil to use today?
Modern lubricants have evolved a lot from the old days when saws ran on 16-1 mix using #40 motor oil.
Now we have excellent mix oils using 40-1 to 100-1 mix ratios.
From experience what are your recommendations,favorite oils and mix ratios? Do you favor synthetic(more expensive) or mineral oils,what mix ratios do you find best?
Time to collect what all users think,see what is popular and what works.
Everyone has a different opinion on this topic,interesting to shoot out.
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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2019, 10:02:17 pm »
Between what's sold in Canada and the US it's apples and oranges.
Stihl Canada has Castrol blend their mixes, in the US a company in Louisiana blends theirs.
Husqvarna had XP mix sold in Canada imported from Sweden , Husqvarna USA blended in the SE states.

This Castrol Super 2 Stroke is still sold at Canadian Tire. What I used from 1974 to about 1980 when Stihl had it rebadged as the orange cap Premium.
I prefer to use Stihl Ultra full synthetic at 40:1 Husqvarna XP mix is my 2nd choice.

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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 01:58:43 am »
Odd,my favorite mix oil in the 70's and 80's was Castrol Super 2-stroke also.
For racing or breaking in a new modded worksaw I would add one tablespoon to the tank of fuel Castor oil from a bottle purchased at a drug store,smells very good burning,like French Fries,hmm I'm hungry.Some of the new synthetics I prefer now.
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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 09:02:53 am »
For racing the Klotz KL-200 mixed with the nitro and alky. Also worked great in my work saws.
Only thing is it dont offer any rust protection for storage. Never any problems in my saws though.
But I found it to be one of the best 100% synthetic  oils out there.

Also use original formula echo red armor semi blend. Cant vouch for the cheapen up new version. Can tell difference by sticker on bottles. Soild black sticker OLD, silver diamonds sticker the newer cheapen version.

Poulan synthetic is IMO better then stihl ultra. Many stihl guys have switched here.  It is made to husqvarna specs and also bottled under dolmar and makita labels. ;)

VP racing synthetic is one I am trying now. Good stuff so far too.

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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 11:17:33 am »
Odd,my favorite mix oil in the 70's and 80's was Castrol Super 2-stroke also.
For racing or breaking in a new modded worksaw I would add one tablespoon to the tank of fuel Castor oil from a bottle purchased at a drug store,smells very good burning,like French Fries,hmm I'm hungry.Some of the new synthetics I prefer now.
Not odd at all there was lots of trade with product in the professional logging market in western Canada back in the day. We were all united with the IWA union based in Vancouver, B.C with locals all throughout B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan,  Manitoba and north western Ontario.
Husqvarna distributor Peter Holmquist owner of Pacific Equipment in Vancouver since 1972 was born in Sweden and raised on a Saskatchewan farm nearby my Dad's farm. He left for B.C. to go logging in 1953 at age 15.
Here's a picture of Peter at age 63 in February 1989 running a first year 3120XP at our Prince Albert, Saskatchewan Winter Festival.


Good video here of him from 1982.
https://youtu.be/w4VrDunQvcg
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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 12:53:01 pm »
I've always been a little skeptical of 100-1 mix oils,I know some people don't like the smoke but it's kinda like seeing how little oil your motor can run on. One day I  was able to tear down a saw that had run on 100-1 Optimol since new. Everything was really clean inside,virtually no carbon,piston looked good,but surprisingly the rings were completely worn out. I replaced the rings,and the guy also wanted the muffler modified too,so I fired up the torch to cut the muffler guts out. Well the carbon in the muffler had some unusual compound in it,it billowed really toxic smoke,it was choking me and a tough job to finish.
Is there a really bad mix oil made,yes Chevron mix oil has caused damage to several machines I had to fix,pistons blackened and rings stuck solid,and the entire exhaust system of a large outboard engine plugged solid with carbon. I think in some very small towns people have to buy what they can get at a gas station.
For High performance I like the Klotz and Bledzall oils.
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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2019, 01:34:31 pm »
Yep lots of dealers in the '80s, '90s had those little Optimol plastic mix pouches sitting on their shelves. Sometimes for years after some of the solvents leached out.
With most endusers the main issue wasn't always so much the quality or type of mix oil, it was how well they maintained the sawchain, kept the cylinder fins clean and tuned the carb.

1986 a German Stihl factory engineer told me the best mix for a saw was Shell series 3 diesel engine oil. Shake can each day.
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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2019, 11:40:41 am »
This is probably the best new product in the last 10 years. Full Bio 2 cycle mix , also in bar oil that pours at -30C. Fuel mix meets and exceeds JASO FD standard.
Here's some pics and attachments.
https://www.nvearth.com/2-cycle
https://www.nvearth.com/bar-chain
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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2019, 05:38:10 pm »
Walmart super tech 2 cycle oil, as good or better than anything out there.
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Re: 2-Stroke Mix oils-What do you think is best?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 10:13:55 pm »
I hate to bring this up,but what about the toxicity of burning synthetic oils? I'm just thinking back to a documentary about a modern jet passenger liner model that was known to have a leaky oil seal on it's engines,(with synthetic oil)which burned and pumped toxic  fumes into the cabin of passengers,poisoning some,resulting in big lawsuits... Maybe good ol' castor oil isn't so bad,smells like cooking French Fries,always makes me hungry...
None of us ever thought about breathing the fumes... compared to mineral oil or others.
Whats in it,do we care? I think I would just try to avoid breathing it in directly,same as most of you.
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