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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2015, 05:10:45 am »
That is the most detailed port mapping I have ever seen.  Well done and Thanks for showing us.

it would be very good idea to look at much better sources for information then what i have shown.

depending on what you are trying to do, (or using) would think some of these old school measurements may be needed.

in the last two photos.  ..not trying to measure width there.  better ways to do this.

hope it helps
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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2015, 11:53:36 am »
I've used mm ruled graph paper (1.25mm sq.) for measuring the port map area. Tedious to count, but seemed to be fairly accurate

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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2015, 07:26:06 pm »
I've used mm ruled graph paper (1.25mm sq.) for measuring the port map area. Tedious to count, but seemed to be fairly accurate

that method works well.

but when the port shape is an oval (ellipse), i find doing it that way gets tough.  probably an easier way to do ovals is to get the measurement of the port height. 

the paper needs to be wrapped around the piston, or stuffed in around the bore to get all port widths.  (pic above).

those measurements can be plugged into an online area calculator.  (or done by hand).

lots of these online calculators.  never used this particular one.  example:  http://www.asknumbers.com/area_calculator.aspx

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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2015, 11:26:19 pm »
say made in USA on them.


Guess that means no longer available.  :D

Great pictures and details, thanks for posting.

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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2015, 11:47:42 pm »
Looked up the Staedtler plastic templates and still made in the USA!!!   Cool deal. 

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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2015, 05:01:10 am »
I've used 1/4" graph paper .Close enough for the stuff I've done.

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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2015, 04:54:13 pm »
the old gordon jennings book and even the macdizzy site's explanations can be confusing.

both of them go to great detail on how to measure widths of ports....and then go on to show the port map completed on graph paper.

hope this will help some folks who have never done this, (at least this is what works for me).

i don't use graph paper when making the port tracing.  if i put graph paper curved inside the cylinder bore for the tracing, then just took it out to count the squares, the port area would be wrong. (larger than it actually is).

why? because the port width now appears larger......the graph paper squares that were once curved, then get full size now that the paper is laid flat for square counting.

i just use plain paper to get the trace. then measure the port widths and heights as shown in pics, and write them down.

if i need to count squares, just redraw the ports using templates. using the measured heights and widths (obtained by calipers).
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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2015, 05:48:55 pm »
Should be accurate if the graph paper is traced while inside the bore, (curved while tracing)?

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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2015, 06:01:56 pm »
Now I'm confused!!!! Lol.   Actual width would vary if tracing and transposing onto another piece of flat paper because of the curvature?   Will appear larger because of the curve. (Longer distance)

Rubber mold of the port would be pretty accurate.  Cut the mold flush (perpendicular ) at apex of curve and measure.

   

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Re: port mapping old school
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2015, 08:54:43 pm »
lots of ways to do this, this is easiest/quickest for me.  photo below.  measuring photos above.

1. after i get the trace........measure height.....then measure and draw a couple of lines at that distance on the graph paper
2. i measure width using calipers with the paper stacking out of the bore (or around piston)..... then draw a couple lines on the graph paper
3.  at this point....looks like a tic tack toe board
4.  pick a oval from the template that fits in there well

i don't usually count squares, especially for ovals because i feel i'm guessing at the amount of squares.
easier for me to use a calculator.
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tomorrow using same cylinder i'll compare this to using 'graph paper in the bore and laying it flat method.'
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