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Stihl 066 redlight info stihl 066 660
« on: October 27, 2017, 09:00:19 pm »
Just saving info I reposted 10 years ago.

This is all 2nd hand info from reading. The redlight saws were rev limited to 12.5k and the little led red light would come on.

This first part is more info on Willards 066 RL.

(((066 Mag Artic red light, with dp muffler serial # is 126316881. This "ARTIC" has the thermostatically controlled heated carb and no heated handles. I didn't bother getting the bulky wrap handle. The heated carb still heats perfectly today.
I bought this saw brand new in the summer of 1992 so I presume its a 1991 model. I did upgrade it about 6mths after I bought it with the newer flywheel and module.
18 years later and a few thousand hrs on it, it still has lots of compression, I never had the cylinder off of it. Only 2nd to my 090AV, my 066 is the toughest saw I ever owned, never broke a crank, bearing, etc.
Willard.)))))

Again all 2nd hand info. So take it for what it is worth. This is just stuff I have heard since I dug up info after getting mine. Even though mine was updated I wanted to know too .



((((The red light 066 was only made for a short period of time. They were only made on a very early flat top 066; there was no later model 066 using them. There was an RPM rev limiter in the coil and an LED lead running from the coil to an LED light at the side of the saw. The light lit up when the rev limit was reached and the coil was cutting out. This was so that you could tune the carb H screw to lean it out just until it was cutting out, and the LED light was flashing. For that reason these saws had engines that were fairly bullet-proof; it was nearly impossible to score the engine with the limiter in them. Only straight gassing did them in. Or the bearings went out, as was the case with mine. The swapped out red light and later models of 066 with the AL flywheel and unlimited coil had a common problem with spinning the flywheel side of the crankshaft off because of over revving. So Stihl made the flywheel side of the crank thicker in 1996 and replaced the aluminum with a poly flywheel. They also changed the ignition modules to to advance the timing at high revs on the later poly coils. The AL flywheel coils are straight-line timed ignitions; they do not have an advance curve in them like the poly modules do. The CDIC coils also had a timing retard in them at low speed for easier starting.

In the above post, the 1303 module was in the 064, and not the 066. The red light 066 coil module was a Prufrex CDIC, Stihl PN: 1122 400 1307 (similar to the 064 module, but it has the LED lead). It was changed to an Iida unlimited coil module, Stihl PN: 0000 400 1300, in 1993 and retained the AL flywheel. That was changed to an Iida unlimited coil module, Stihl PN: 1122 400 1311, in 1994. The 0000 400 1300 coil is a generic coil and is still used in some of the new larger Stihl saws. The 064 also had a CDIC coil put in them from 1989, but there was no red light limiter LED. Note that only the 064 AL flywheels have two key slots. This is to accommodate different types of ignition; one was for electronic ignition, and the other was for analog points and condenser ignitions. On these flywheels, B stands for Bosch (old points) and P stands for Prufrex (new electronic).

Quick history of the 066:

Early models from early '91 to late '92 had the 'red light' LED and limiter coil with AL flywheel.

Loggers figured out the limiter and swapped in the non-limiter coil. Stihl figured out what was being done and came out with the non-limted coil model.
Original red light saws with limiters were bullet proof and immune from air leaks and lean scoring as well as flywheel sheer (both good).
Problem with the limiter coils fading in time and rev limits lowering to near 10k from the original 12.5k (bad).

Later-early model 066 from late '92 to early '96 had the non-limiter coil with the AL flywheel. The LED was removed (a weird gimmick at best).

Problem with this saw was that if they were revved high and sunk into a wood cut and bogged down, the inertia of the AL flywheel sheared off
the crankshaft, and self-destructed the flywheel, saw case, crank, or all of them (not good).

Late model 066 from '96 and on were updated with a beefier crank and a polymer flywheel which is a lot lighter, and not prone to sheer from built up inertia. The poly flywheel also had a different ignition coil that had an advanced ignition curve at the top end. The decomp button was added at some point, with the humped top.

The late model 066 was made obsolete with the MS660, but they remained essentially the same saw.

The 066 came in several models. The MR (Mag Rescue) model had a 3/4 wrap, a PNW sprocket side cover and large falling dogs. The early M (magnum) model had a dual port muffler. The Arctic model had a wrap handle heater and a mini alternator in the flywheel (both AL and poly flywheels have a heated handle/carb version). There are also Aussie AUS and Canadian CDN versions of the saws. The Canadian model had a full wrap option. The Australian model came with a high output oil pump. They had light, medium and heavy duty air filter options. They came with an Elasto-start as an option. They also had a variety of carbs, some had a fixed H jet, some with heaters to keep the carbs from icing up.))))))

More info. From a stihl guy out in the PNW

Early 1994 - Thin cylinder base ( Red light etc) changed to "thick base". Base screws changed from M6x20 to M6x25


Mid 1994 - Beefed up crank - Crankshaft BIG end changed from 12 to 13 roller pins from serial number 129 588 002. At the same time, the cylinder base gasket changed to rubber coated Steel (so quit using the junk aftermarket gaskets!).


Early 1995 - OHSA (NOT EPA) forced the dicontinuation of the Dual port Magnum muffler from serial number 131 960 509. HP dropped to 7.2


Mid 1996 - decomp valve fitted on all 066 from serial number 131 960 509


Early 1996 - Poly flywheel installed and crankshaft bearing increased in size from 13.5 to 15mm from serial number 131 917 066

Early 1998 - shrouds and filter box changed from squared to "rounded " type. Limiter caps on carbs and EPA labeling...


Early 2002 - Name changed from 066 to MS660.


Lot's of ignition changes and carbs over the years...

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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2018, 08:53:54 pm »
I had to bump this great thread.
Here is my 1992 066 Arctic Magnum today in below pics.
No longer a Arctic as I rebuilt this 92cc beast into a 066/early 064 hybrid. She's now a light 14.8 lbs PHO and with a further possible weight reduction,  with a 046 poly flywheel and rewind spool... will get it down to 14.6 lbs. Same weight of a MS461 or 572XP.

In the last 2 pics is my other 066 to back up the hybrid in my tree service fleet.
It is a late 1996 model or possibly a early 1997 before EPA made the changes in 1998 with the introduction of the round top 066.
This HD  saw will handle the 28"-36" business end.

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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 04:07:20 pm »
Just confirmed with Definitive Dave's info that my above 1996 066 is not a 1996 but is a 1997 model....the last year of the flat top.
The 1998's were the start of the EPA round top 066's.
Dave says: 1997_ 064/066 after serial#133459523 first plastic name badge.
Mine has the plastic badge and its serial # is 134989911.

I'm just proud to say I got a keeper here. 8)
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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 05:01:39 pm »
To add Dave also said:
Early 1998 after serial#139176186 top covers changed from flat to rounded.
Certified EPA.
Limiter caps on WJ69 carb.
Different port timing and smaller exhaust openings.
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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2018, 01:45:52 pm »
Just made the 066 hybrid 3 ounces lighter and alot more compact with a narrower profile.
I stuck a Husqvarna 272XP top handle on it, bolted right up.
At the rate I'm going I'll have her in the 13 lb category, Lol
Here's 2 pics. :)
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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2018, 05:18:16 pm »
Just made the 066 hybrid 3 ounces lighter and alot more compact with a narrower profile.
I stuck a Husqvarna 272XP top handle on it, bolted right up with no modifications.
At the rate I'm going I'll have her in the 13 lb category, Lol
Here's 2 pics. :)


 :o 8)  go figure  I would have never even thought of trying a husky handle on a stihl or vice versa.
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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2018, 10:20:27 pm »
That's good to know.  The carry handle on AM660's are weak.  Will have to see if 272 fits.
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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2018, 10:35:45 am »
The Husky handle had several of the screw holes a bit oblong from loose screws , you know how Huskies are :D
But the tape measure said both the 066 and husky holes were 1 5/8" apart. The handle is a bit bent up. I don't even remember where I got it from.
I did identify it by googling images of Husqvarna 61 268 272 handle bars.
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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2018, 04:46:16 pm »
I was a mechanic at a Stihl dealership from before the introduction of the 064 to the introduction of the 066. The last run of 064's to come out had the Red Light ignition,Stihl called this "Digital" ignition,it worked fine and did indeed rev limit at 12,500. Some fanatical fallers hated it,so to fix it I had to install the ignition and flywheel from an earlier 064(usually just using used parts). However there was a glitch to the digital ignition,if you installed a non-resistor spark plug the saw would misfire like crazy. Usually in modded work saws I built I would use a 1 step colder plug without the resistor,such as the Bosch WS5F,but when a I modded a brand new Redlight for a customer it misfired and barely ran,a call to Stihl's tech I found out they need a resistor plug,so I put one back in and it was fine.
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Re: Stihl 066 redlight
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2019, 01:03:35 pm »
More info By Dave and Jacob

Thanks to Jacob J for the tons of good info on this topic.

Also attached is some interesting 064/066 documentation in a PDF that I hadn't seen here before.

064 / 066 / MS640 / MS650 / MS660 Ignition Systems V1.0 6.25.15

Earliest illustrated parts list noted where known.


Flywheels – aluminum with single keyway unless noted.

1122 400 1201A – 064 for use with Bosch ignition, unlimited coils

1122 400 1202 – 066W, MS660 for generator

1122 400 1203 - 064, 064R for use with limited coils 1303 [92.12ipl]

1122 400 1203 (double keyway) - 064, 064R for use with limited or unlimited coils

1122 400 1203/1204 - marked with both but only one keyway, normally limited

1122 400 1204 (single keyway) – 064 for use with limited coils ONLY

1122 400 1204 (double keyway) – 064

1122 400 1206 – 064 for generator 3500 [87.1ipl]

1122 400 1207 - 064W for generator 4000 [92.12ipl] and generator 3500 [95.01ipl]

1122 400 1209 - 066

1122 400 1209/1214 - 066 marked with both but only one keyway

1122 400 1209/1214 – 066 double keyway

1122 400 1214 - 066, 066M with larger big end bearing from early 1995 [95.01ipl]

1122 400 1215 – 066 redeye

1122 400 1216 - 066W heated handles [95.01ipl]

1122 400 1217P – 066 pre 1996 poly

1122 400 1217 – MS650, MS660

1122 400 1218 – 066W, MS660 heated handles


Generators

1118 400 4000 – 064W [92.12ipl]

1122 400 3500 – 064W [87.1ipl], 066W [95.01ipl]

1122 400 3501 – 066W, MS660

1122 400 3502 – 066W, MS660


Ignition Coils

0000 400 1300 – 066 unlimited “short” mount

1122 400 1300 – 064, MS640 unlimited, “dogleg” mount, works with generator 3500 [87.1ipl]

1122 400 1303 – 064 CDIC limited Prufex [92.12ipl]

1122 400 1307 – 066 CDIC-A limited including 066 red eye model

1122 400 1311 – 064/066 unlimited, easier starting, short life span [95.01ipl]

1122 400 1312 - 066 poly flywheel three screw mount

1122 400 1314 – 066, MS650, MS660 two screw mount


Trigger Units

No number shown - 064 September 1987 to mar 3rd 1991 [92.12ipl]



There are at least two version of the 064 crankcase with different mounting holes for the ignition coils.




QUESTION - I have a flywheel 1203/1204 with a single keyway, when I line up the magnets with a dual keyway 1203 flywheel the single keyway lines up with the 1:00 keyway rather than the 12:00 keyway when viewed from the outboard side. So is this a limited or unlimited flywheel??

Thanks
Dave

44.86 is instructions for stocking parts for the new 064 models
43.86 is an introduction to the new 064 models with all the technical specs, etc.

More Dave

I don't see any X or P markings on the 1203 dual keyway model, I am wondering if the right or left keyway is the X?

the flywheel on the left here is a dual marked 1203/1204 and the one on the right is the 1203 dual keyway, I cleaned it as best I can without going ultrasonic and don't find an X or P anywhere.
Front of 1203 dual keyway
Front of single keyway 1203/1204 flywheel the slot lines up with the right slot on the dual key above.

Pics are PB so held hostage.
 
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