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To much Ethanol warning
« on: July 20, 2012, 02:05:49 pm »
Marathon and Speedway issue small-engine fuel warning for gasoline


Advisory from Marathon Petroleum, essentially stating that consumers should avoid using their gas for anything with a small engine. At least for awhile.

Apparently, the Findlay, Ohio-based petroleum refiner got too much ethanol in its gasoline formula, which might cause implement such as mowers and leaf blowers to run hotter than they’re designed to handle.

Marathon Petroleum – Small Engine Fuel Advisory

 Marathon Petroleum has identified a product quality situation at one of its terminals resulting in gasoline containing more than 10 percent ethanol in the counties surrounding the greater Louisville area, excluding Jefferson county. Adjacent counties in southern Indiana have also been impacted. Fuel with excess ethanol has the potential to cause small engines such as chainsaws, leaf blowers, generators, lawn mowers, snow blowers, etc., to run faster and hotter than normal, which may result in safety-related issues.

This fuel should not cause drivability or safety issues with respect to automobiles.

If you purchased gasoline since March 3 from Marathon Brand or Speedway locations Marathon Petroleum recommends that you do not operate small engines containing this fuel.

Marathon Petroleum is continuing to identify other retail locations in the impacted areas that may have been supplied with this gasoline and will provide additional information as soon as it becomes available. If you have a concern regarding your gasoline, please contact the retailer to determine if it was supplied by Marathon Petroleum.
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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2012, 04:39:40 pm »
An indication that you suddenly have more ethanol in your gas is that the chainsaw or power tool will run lean.

I doubt it would hurt anything if you could get the tool to run like the mixture was set correctly?
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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2012, 09:12:59 pm »
biggest problem with ethanol is you have to use a oil that will mix with it and most oils will not mix with ethanol , just for a joke  get some E85 and mix your normal oil with it and watch what happens  ;D,  the snowmobile industry has been telling the gov't that once gas hits E15 they are pretty much finished as the oil they are using now will not mix with that much ethanol

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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2012, 09:18:12 pm »

Don't you believe it!!!

My Dolmar dealer recently tested the fuel in a saw returned to him for diagnosis and warranty work and the ethanol was 60%!!!
That's right folks. SIXTY per-cent ethanol in fuel from a local Marathon station.
Marathon didn't hesitate on blink.
Fix it and send us the bill.

He submitted the invoice online, went to pick up lunch for the crew and when he got back (20 min. max) the funds were in his account!


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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2012, 05:38:27 am »
I've never encountered it but I would imagine you could tell almost  instaintly as to how the saw runs .I think it takes something like 40 percent more per volume than gasoline to get the same power .

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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2012, 05:25:20 pm »
Al, I have played alot with ethanol in saws , you can tell just by the colour of your fuel if its got much ethanol in it , stuff like E85 which is 85% ethanol unless you do some major carb work you will not get the motor to even partly run and if you ever got it up and screaming unless you got the tip on your sparkplug cut it would not shut down either until it was to late , ethanol acts alot like methanol but on jetting its about the middle between gas and methanol

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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2012, 06:01:00 pm »
biggest problem with ethanol is you have to use a oil that will mix with it and most oils will not mix with ethanol , 

Thats why I still use oil that mixes with Methonal and Nitro still. Klotz tech told me it will be no problems with the KL-200  Original Techniplate and   KL-100 Super TechniPlate but he warned to stay away from R50 as it will not stay mixed with ethanol at 10% let alone anything over that. 

KL-200  Klotz lubricant is for use with 2-stroke and 4-stroke engines with methanol alcohol and gasoline fuels. Biodegradable formula. Superior film strength and Anti-Scuff protection. Cleaner burning reduces carbon and residue build-up. De-gummed formula reduces ring sticking. Klotz Red color for easy mixing and castor racy odor. Blends with gasoline, methyl alcohol, and nitromethane. Contains rust inhibitors.

KL-100  For use with 2-stroke and 4-stroke engines with methyl alcohol and gasoline fuels.    Blended with 80% TechniPlate Synthetic Lubricant and 20% BeNOL       Racing Castor Oil  Superior film strength and Anti-Scuff protection   Cleaner burning reduces carbon and residue build-up     De-gummed formula reduces ring sticking   Klotz Red color for easy mixing and castor racy odor  Blends with gasoline, methyl alcohol, and nitromethane          Contains rust inhibitors

R50  is a pure synthetic lubricant designed exclusively for use in all sustained Hi-RPM 2-stroke racing engines. R 50™ film strength is comparable to castor oil with the benefits of Clean Burn™ technology. Klotz R 50™ will challenge and outrun the competition in the following ways:    TechniPlate® lubricity system for superior film strength and anti-scuff protection    Extreme Load Carrying Capacity to eliminate bearing and ring wear    Clean Burn™ technology reduces carbon and residue build-up    Contains familiar Klotz Red for easy mixing and racy odor    Anti-Oxidation protection against rust and corrosion    Power Valve formula

You notice R50 says noting about mixing with alcohol and the head tech I spoke with dont recommend it for ethanol gas let alone anything over  10% at all.  Told me to stay with my 200 or 100 I used in racing days.
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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2012, 06:44:15 pm »
I use KL 200 to mix my methanol and ethanol

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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2012, 08:15:47 pm »
I use KL 200 to mix my methanol and ethanol

Thats what I use too.
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Re: To much Ethanol warning
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2012, 05:08:36 am »
I wonder how Marathon screwed up so bad with the formula ? In the past I spent a lot of time working in refineries and they don't screw up as badly as that as a rule .

Just speculating but I'd imagine that fuel came from Elk Grove Ill .

 

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