Chainsaw Repair
Chain - Grinders - Filing - Wood Milling - Tools - Welding - Machinist - Mowers - Tillers => Chain - Bars - Grinders - Filing => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on April 29, 2011, 06:34:07 pm
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Great pics fisaw. Your Finland Boreal Forest looks the same as my Boreal Forest here in Manitoba. White and black spruce, jack pine, balsam fir, birch and poplar.
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At work , these trees grow fast. 3/8p super chisel chain
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Very nice pictures. MS200 is a good strong saw for its class.
63PS makes it even better when cutting softwood.
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Good Morning :)
When i had this 339xp ,3/8lp felt better but ms200 was faster and more productive(revs much more quickly and freely) + other features which makes it better saw.
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63PS ( 3617) Low vibration , smooth fast cutting. Good chain for everyone as well as 63PM or Oregon VXL ( vxl is smoother after a few sharpening )
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New video out this month testing 4 chains. Just shows what I found out back in 2011. All my testing done in this thread and beginning too.
https://youtu.be/oKKddM8t09U
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I think this was Andre = andyshine comparsion video on a dolmar 421 with oregon vxl 3/8lp and stihl ps 63ps picco
https://youtu.be/KF6DPfTElIw
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I put together a 55DL PS3 for a lady by request over the PS. She wants the safety bumpers on her chains.
She and her husband picked up both their saws yesterday and I had her test cut with the PS3 before leaving. The words I heard her say to her husband with a big smile. Cuts like butter.
His saw MS440 - Hers MS211 C-BE
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It does. I've just about used up the first three. I'm gonna switch it to a rim setup while I'm at it.
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I just ordered three loops of PS for my 420.
Bet it will just love that set up.
Heck a wild thing loves that setup come to think about it.
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I just ordered three loops of PS for my 420.
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PS PS3 chain build off thread. http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chain-build-off/chain-build-off-5237/
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I have done that on .325 stihl RS chain before using 3/8 file to get what I wanted in a faster round chain for cants.
I have used a square file on semi chisel before PS3 and PS was out. That semi was grabby but much faster using a square file on it. :D
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Yes, 17% gain on round touch up
Cool Thanks for info.
It was a little more than a touch up. I used a 3/16" to get the arch I wanted. Took some clearance work before the file would fit.
Off the reel PS is a very nice sharp chain.
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Yes, 17% gain on round touch up
Cool Thanks for info.
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Yes, 17% gain on round touch up
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+1 on the cuts good
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SF did you guys test the round touched up chain to a off the reel chain by any chance?
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Cuts way better then that square that couldnt cut faster then round. You did good.
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Yes it is
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This your chain squarefile? Per dex 3 cuts timed twice, then average of all 6 times was 3.71
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QS3ETGDrzoQ
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Cutter appears stoned too. Must be some good grass down your way. :D
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I see that he dovetailed the back of the tooth.
Other pic SquareFile sent
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This one?
That's it.
I see that he dovetailed the back of the tooth.
I did clip the heel. Its so low I wanted to help chip removal.
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I see that he dovetailed the back of the tooth.
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This one?
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I found a 60DL
http://www.loggerchain.com/OREGON-180SDEA095-18-HUSQVARNA-BAR-3-8-LP-PITCH-180SDEA095-HUSKY.htm
Kevin I'm going to email you pics of the PS3 I gained about 30%. Rakers needed to come down a few thou, but I was pleased. You can post them. I cant figure out how to downsize the pics
Cool. I hadnt even started on the husky 18" bars yet. Thanks for letting me know you found one. Phewwwwwww
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I found a 60DL
http://www.loggerchain.com/OREGON-180SDEA095-18-HUSQVARNA-BAR-3-8-LP-PITCH-180SDEA095-HUSKY.htm
Kevin I'm going to email you pics of the PS3 I gained about 30%. Rakers needed to come down a few thou, but I was pleased. You can post them. I cant figure out how to downsize the pics
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Just throwing this out there. I have come across a 60dl 3/8LP bar for McCullough 18" . Just need to see if it can be made to used on small husky type mount. Might need a tail mount message.
me I would just use 56dl Like you Mike. Just trying to help others find a 60dl bar.
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Kev, got the roll a few months back and have been using it on the ms261c. Works great and cuts fast. Have the 338xp bar just need to make a loop for the partner/huskies
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I used the 16 inch, 3/8ths LP bar made for a 338XP top handle along with an Oregon standard 3/8ths rim.
Oregon only makes one 3/8ths rim and it does both standard and LP.
Mike
@rms61moparman Mike do you know of a 60dl bar in LP instead of 56DL? I'm thinking 56 is it unless use a reg 60dl bar.
No, it is the 56 dl 3/8ths LP bar.
Mike
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12" K095 GB bar with replaceable tip in 3/8LP 45DL. Hmmmmmmmm Might order me a couple from Left coast supplies here in the where to buy online board. $9
Will be back for K095 bar.
http://leftcoastsupplies.com/product/12-gb-arbor-tech-bar-38lp/
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A041 shown below and in link.
http://leftcoastsupplies.com/product/12-gb-arbor-tech-bar-38lp-3/
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Kev, gonna try an oregon techlite 16" ordered 25' of the 63ps to try out
@aclarke any testing?
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I used the 16 inch, 3/8ths LP bar made for a 338XP top handle along with an Oregon standard 3/8ths rim.
Oregon only makes one 3/8ths rim and it does both standard and LP.
Mike
@rms61moparman Mike do you know of a 60dl bar in LP instead of 56DL? I'm thinking 56 is it unless use a reg 60dl bar.
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I misread it 1st time through. I thought I seen something about converting a regular 3/8 sprocket to picco. Losing my freaking mind as I get older.
(Mostly testing the alternative quote method - it works! Thanks!)
I suppose that with enough time, you could grind down 3/8 drive links to match low profile sprockets. Not sure why you would want to. A lot of guys would like to go the other way, to run 3/8 low profile chain on larger saws.
Philbert
LOL you got what I meant backwards. I was saying a standard 3/8 rim converted to picco. I thought that was what I read in a post. I was not talking about chain.
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I misread it 1st time through. I thought I seen something about converting a regular 3/8 sprocket to picco. Losing my freaking mind as I get older.
(Mostly testing the alternative quote method - it works! Thanks!)
I suppose that with enough time, you could grind down 3/8 drive links to match low profile sprockets. Not sure why you would want to. A lot of guys would like to go the other way, to run 3/8 low profile chain on larger saws.
Philbert
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Yeah I know all about thinned cutter race chains. Owned a few myself.
I misread it 1st time through. I thought I seen something about converting a regular 3/8 sprocket to picco. Losing my freaking mind as I get older.
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"Who said that?" - Cut4fun
HolmenTree, just a few posts earlier. (Sorry, the the quote function has never worked for me, so I have to cut and paste quotes. I will try to add the names manually, and edited the post above for clarity.)
Philbert
Philbert, other ways to quote were used before it got fixed. 2 other ways you can do in this thread. http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/general-discussion/%27quote%27-not-working/
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Thinning the cutters by disassembling the chassis is one other way to reduce kerf, super time consuming and requires a jig a surface grinder for accuracy.
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"Who said that?" - Cut4fun
HolmenTree, just a few posts earlier. (Sorry, the the quote function has never worked for me, so I have to cut and paste quotes. I will try to add the names manually, and edited the post above for clarity.)
Philbert
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Kev $375 for the whole roll delivered to my local dealer. little over $100 for 25' happy to make some loops for you when it comes in
I was just checking 2014 pricing. I'm good to go. Bought ps3 2011 and ps 2013.
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"A standard 3/8 chisel chain can be modified to cut narrower then the 63PS . . ."
How would you do that? Just curious.
Thanks.
Philbert
Who said that?
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"A standard 3/8 chisel chain can be modified to cut narrower then the 63PS . . ." - HolmenTree
How would you do that? Just curious.
Thanks.
Philbert
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That ebay dude that Brokenbudget got his chain from sells long LP Cannon bars for use with the 63ps as racesaw set ups. I'm thinking this chain will be great on small hp motors but in big wwood and higher hp the chain will clog up with chips??
Most definitely. A standard 3/8 chisel chain can be modified to cut narrower then the 63PS and have 3 times the gullet space.
But for a 50cc and under work saw with a 16"-18" b/c the 63PS is a joy to work with, sharpened with just a round file. Too bad Husky didn't make a mini 7 spline drum to accept a Picco rim like what's available for the MS241 CM.
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That ebay dude that Brokenbudget got his chain from sells long LP Cannon bars for use with the 63ps as racesaw set ups. I'm thinking this chain will be great on small hp motors but in big wwood and higher hp the chain will clog up with chips??
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Kev $375 for the whole roll delivered to my local dealer. little over $100 for 25' happy to make some loops for you when it comes in
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gotsed mine last week 8) the local stihl dealers are dragging their feet getting it in.
bought it from that 'ms180 hot saw' guy off ebay :D
to my door it cost me $130-ish. that's the going rate around here for a 25' loop of Oregon vxl, so I figured not too bad a deal in the end for me.
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What did 25' run out your way total in hand? PM if need to.
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Kev, gonna try an oregon techlite 16" ordered 25' of the 63ps to try out
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Adam just thinking A095 A041 K041 T041
A095 like on the husky 338 and then 7T 160SDEA095 16"
A041 3/8LP bar and just drill bar oiler hole and oblong the bar adjuster hole if I remember right. Then use the 3/8 7T rim.
One I had in middle is 16" for 338 Adam. Thanks for confirming Mike.
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Thk guys. Have a bunch of the top handle saw bars. I'll try that route
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I used the 16 inch, 3/8ths LP bar made for a 338XP top handle along with an Oregon standard 3/8ths rim.
Oregon only makes one 3/8ths rim and it does both standard and LP.
Mike
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Only found 095 mount, I'm thinking the 3/8 drive sprocket would work ok on LP. Not sure how the 3/8 sprocket tip would work though?
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If you can find a K041 bar in LP would be best. I only seen them in .325 and full 3/8
I have run LP on a full 3/8 bar before. Not prefect but worked on a 60cc saw.
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Cool!!! Thanks Kev. I'll go by the saw shop tomorrow and try it out
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Adam just thinking A095 A041 K041 T041
A095 like on the husky 338 and then 7T 160SDEA095 16"
A041 3/8LP bar and just drill bar oiler hole and oblong the bar adjuster hole if I remember right. Then use the 3/8 7T rim.
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How can this chain be used on a husky 51/55? Regular 3/8 sprocket and hard nose or roller tip bar?
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That was a 16" bar w/60dl's.
Elm was the wood...
If that saw had more power, the difference would have been greater...
It was filed for a ported 261.. >3.5hp
Chain was hungry... I did not touch the rakers...
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIZ5gIxXedKOjewzVyR4Fww
Bottom 2 vids...
If someone could post them for me it would be excellent..
Can't do it myself right now..
We just use SHARE link from youtube here. Copy pasted that link. Kevin ;)
Thanks for digging up for me. 8)
http://youtu.be/oqc9ZmxuDSI
http://youtu.be/LWSLJF_FZVc
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Thats what I was wondering. Thanks Hedge.
Video would be really cool to watch too. ;)
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Told'ya!!!
Mike
Mike have you square filed any 63PS 63PS3 to run against the round filed to see how much you gained in cut times yet?
I have taken the PS3 and timed a cut then cleaned the gullets and square filed..
I think I knocked 28% off the time IIRC...
I may have to dig up some video.
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No Sir,
And won't be doing it either.
I'm not a hand filer and don't have a square grinder.
If I can get one of my buddies with a square grinder to grind some, I would be happy to provide the chain for, and do the comparison.
Mike
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Told'ya!!!
Mike
Mike have you square filed any 63PS 63PS3 to run against the round filed to see how much you gained in cut times yet?
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Here's a good demo video from Stihl Canada from last winter of the Stihl MS241 C-M with Picco 63 PS combo.
They seem to be doing a good job promoting their product.
http://youtu.be/zXscYA8tu48
Told'ya!!!
Mike
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what is the frind angles for 63ps? as i cant find and data specific to it only 63ps3... is it the same at 60 30 with no 10 down angle like 3/8 stander-ed full
thanks in advance
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I'd be interesting to know if that MS241 with the PS63 setup is running a 6 T spur sprocket or a 7 T rim.
The 6 T would definitely have the torque advantage in that log up against the 7T .325
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I see a lot of threads where guys want to run standard 3/8 chain on an MS260 type saw, 'casue they think that it will cut faster with larger cutters, or that it is 'real' chain. Fun to see them switch from .325 to 3/8 low-pro!
I believe that each saw has a sweet spot with the right bar/chain/sprocket combination.
Philbert
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Here's a good demo video from Stihl Canada from last winter of the Stihl MS241 C-M with Picco 63 PS combo.
They seem to be doing a good job promoting their product.
http://youtu.be/zXscYA8tu48
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did not see this thred..... i just posted about a loop of 63ps i tried today .... only one word WoW.... and yes its hard to find i am in orlando and have at least 5 stihl dealers and non had in stock....most have never heard of it...... I had a dealer order me a loop to try.... he had never seen it and thought it was cool
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Thanks Mike! Glad to hear from you on this since we both cut hedge. I'm sure hoping I can switch my 024s over to 3/8 pitch to try some of this new chain.
I'm still unclear on this: Is any 7 tooth rim sprocket going to work or does it have to be Picco/lo-pro?
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Wow, helluva thread! :o More informed than ever. More confused to. :D Lot of numbers flying around but it's made me realize my ignorance. Up until now I've just trusted to my dealer. I've always noticed my 200T cuts twice as fast as my 024s with much less work on the saw. I know the 200T is Topdawg of the 2 and the Sihl Picco I use on it makes a huge difference. I'll have to look when I go home to see if the Picco is square or round.
This thread has opened my eyes to using this Picco on my 024s, maybe 026 and 028s as well? I'm cutting on the ground with my saws but keep my tips out of the dirt except for the occasional oops.
When considering the power of a saw, at what point does this Picco chain lose its advantage?
I have a VERY strong OE346 set up with the 63PS and it cuts better than it did with a REALLY good .325.
There is a 3.0 Poulan that is going to be next for the transformation. I use it almost exclusively now as my small firewood saw and the changeover should be no problem because it already uses a KO41 bar which is readily available in 3/8ths LP.
All I need to do is change the sprocket over so I can run a standard 3/8ths rim for the LP.
Mike
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Wow, helluva thread! :o More informed than ever. More confused to. :D Lot of numbers flying around but it's made me realize my ignorance. Up until now I've just trusted to my dealer. I've always noticed my 200T cuts twice as fast as my 024s with much less work on the saw. I know the 200T is Topdawg of the 2 and the Sihl Picco I use on it makes a huge difference. I'll have to look when I go home to see if the Picco is square or round.
This thread has opened my eyes to using this Picco on my 024s, maybe 026 and 028s as well? I'm cutting on the ground with my saws but keep my tips out of the dirt except for the occasional oops.
When considering the power of a saw, at what point does this Picco chain lose its advantage?
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I set up the new 540xpt with a loop of PS3. We'll see how it goes.
The Husky 3/8's LP chain can just stay in the plastic bag.
Wonder if there is any chance of running PS3 on my Jonsered 2260 :o
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PM returned Kevin.8)
PS3 57DL made up today and made 2 test cuts on a poulan 1950. Amazing the difference just that chain makes on those saws.
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PM returned Kevin.8)
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PM sent Aaron
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Aaron, got anything to trade or just refund my cost for chain plus ship as gift PP?
I could make up a 57dl PS3. Need to see what I have left on the roll first. Could ship in a small bubble wrap envelope to help keep shipping cost down.
Thanks Kevin,
I don't think I have anything you'd want in trade right now. Would gladly pay your cost for the chain and the shipping for the loop.
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Aaron, got anything to trade or just refund my cost for chain plus ship as gift PP?
I could make up a 57dl PS3. Need to see what I have left on the roll first. Could ship in a small bubble wrap envelope to help keep shipping cost down.
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They looked at me like I was from Mars when I asked . . . need to get a 57DL loop to try out.
Echo?
Philbert
16" A041 mount Windsor Mini-Pro replaceable sprocket nose bar. I'm putting it on a Poulan S25-CVA, but it could have been on a small Echo before. A 56DL loop is too short and a 57DL loop fits right.
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They looked at me like I was from Mars when I asked . . . need to get a 57DL loop to try out.
Echo?
Philbert
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Wanted to try the STIHL PS chain because of this thread.
It is not listed on the STIHL USA web page, but it is in their catalog, so I was not sure how much trouble it would be to get. Asked a Midwest STIHL (regional distributor) rep I saw at a tool show if I could order just a loop. He said that they will make up loops at the region if a dealer does not stock it by the roll.
Went to my local STIHL dealer and they were familiar with the difference between PS and PS3 chain, but only stocked loops in common sizes for STIHL saws (e.g. 55 DL). I asked for 56 DL, they looked it up, and placed it in their next order (I am not in a hurry - seemed easier than adding a drive link).
So, my experience was positive in terms of ordering this chain. I did have to pay a little more than this dealer would have charged off the roll, and I have to wait a few days, but I did not have to order a 25 foot roll to get a custom size.
Philbert
I dont understand why all the stihl dealers isnt stocking PS and PS3. I had a tree company owner contact me 30mins away wanting some PS3. He tried his local stihl dealers with no help getting it. So I made him a loop for one of his husky 338's 45dl to try out.
bought loops of 52 56 45 of the PS from a dealer friend not local, made from his bulk 100' roll. But this is for my use, except for the 52 I sent up to a tree climber in Canada.
Yep. They looked at me like I was from Mars when I asked about 63PS3 and 63PS at a local Stihl dealer.....
I need to get a 57DL loop to try out. Will likely get a few 56DL and 62DL loops after that...
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Mine stocks it, but only in common size loops for arborist saws. Doesn't sell enough of the other size loops to justify stocking a reel of it I guess.
Philbert
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Wanted to try the STIHL PS chain because of this thread.
It is not listed on the STIHL USA web page, but it is in their catalog, so I was not sure how much trouble it would be to get. Asked a Midwest STIHL (regional distributor) rep I saw at a tool show if I could order just a loop. He said that they will make up loops at the region if a dealer does not stock it by the roll.
Went to my local STIHL dealer and they were familiar with the difference between PS and PS3 chain, but only stocked loops in common sizes for STIHL saws (e.g. 55 DL). I asked for 56 DL, they looked it up, and placed it in their next order (I am not in a hurry - seemed easier than adding a drive link).
So, my experience was positive in terms of ordering this chain. I did have to pay a little more than this dealer would have charged off the roll, and I have to wait a few days, but I did not have to order a 25 foot roll to get a custom size.
Philbert
I dont understand why all the stihl dealers isnt stocking PS and PS3. I had a tree company owner contact me 30mins away wanting some PS3. He tried his local stihl dealers with no help getting it. So I made him a loop for one of his husky 338's 45dl to try out.
bought loops of 52 56 45 of the PS from a dealer friend not local, made from his bulk 100' roll. But this is for my use, except for the 52 I sent up to a tree climber in Canada.
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Wanted to try the STIHL PS chain because of this thread.
It is not listed on the STIHL USA web page, but it is in their catalog, so I was not sure how much trouble it would be to get. Asked a Midwest STIHL (regional distributor) rep I saw at a tool show if I could order just a loop. He said that they will make up loops at the region if a dealer does not stock it by the roll.
Went to my local STIHL dealer and they were familiar with the difference between PS and PS3 chain, but only stocked loops in common sizes for STIHL saws (e.g. 55 DL). I asked for 56 DL, they looked it up, and placed it in their next order (I am not in a hurry - seemed easier than adding a drive link).
So, my experience was positive in terms of ordering this chain. I did have to pay a little more than this dealer would have charged off the roll, and I have to wait a few days, but I did not have to order a 25 foot roll to get a custom size.
Philbert
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This thread goes back almost 3 years.
Still a bit confused.
Looking to put a new bar/chain on my MS200T that currently has a Stihl 14" 3005 000 4809 bar
What 14" bar and chain would you currently recommended to be give the best performance?
If I were running a 14" what you have is what I would have on there.
If wanting something new look at ............ 3005 000 7409 Stihl 14" Rollomatic E Light Chainsaw Bar 3/8LP .050 50 Drive Links
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OEM sprocket nose chainsaw bar from Stihl. Stihl Rollomatic E Light chainsaws bars are up to 30% lighter than standard bars. Bars are made of two steel plates which have been hollowed out and electrically welded together. The open areas have been filled with a fiber reinforced polymide to create a lightweight bar that is still rigid. The lightweight design gives your saw better balance during limbing operations. Ideal bar for professional arborists. This bar has relatively small nose radius which helps reduce the incident of kickback
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This thread goes back almost 3 years.
Still a bit confused.
Looking to put a new bar/chain on my MS200T that currently has a Stihl 14" 3005 000 4809 bar
What 14" bar and chain would you currently recommended to be give the best performance?
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Sounds good. I'm still leaning towards running 3/8-LP on my PP295 and Husky 41 instead of .325 or .325NK. They're my bucket saws (along with my tophandles).
I don't run .325 on any other saws right now. .404 on a few monsters, 3/8-LP on my Poulan tophandles, and 3/8 on everything else. I also like that LP is cheaper than .325. Cheaper per DL..............and less DL's required in a loop.
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Sorry guys I'll test that 63PS chain versus the .325 Oregon 95 VPX ASAP. My tree service has been very busy lately ,customers coming at me from every angle out of the wood work.
Gotta make money before I can play.
Did you test the Stihl 63PS and Oregon 95VPX like you planned?
Not yet but will do later this week. Just getting my life and household back in order after finishing up our winter festival saw competition last weekend. It's finally warming up nice now too.
I did do about 10 cuts [untimed] through a 10"X10" spruce with a 550XP with the 63PS chain and it ripped through that cant really nice, didn't see or feel any chip clearance problems.
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When you cut to the chase that chisel 3/8 lo will definatley out cut the standard semi chisel .I'm surprised Oregon hasn't brought some out by now or if they have I'm not aware of it . I'd imagine an s-25 Poulan would do well by it .Those saws have plenty of guts for no bigger than they are.
If I can find a 7 tooth spur for the 200T I'm going to try it .That 200T I souped up has a little extra punch and I think it would handle an extra tooth with no problem .I'm not certain if Stihl still offers it or not .
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Yesterday played with the PS3. Great in the limbs up to 4-5 inches. Chip clearance seems to be an issue at around 10 inches of wood. To me it is like the 34LG chain. Smooth and fast in small stuff but too low of tooth to be ideal. I will do some video comparing the PS3 to .325 in about 2 weeks.
I look forward to seeing the results of that comparison.
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Sorry guys I'll test that 63PS chain versus the .325 Oregon 95 VPX ASAP. My tree service has been very busy lately ,customers coming at me from every angle out of the wood work.
Gotta make money before I can play.
Did you test the Stihl 63PS and Oregon 95VPX like you planned?
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Yesterday played with the PS3. Great in the limbs up to 4-5 inches. Chip clearance seems to be an issue at around 10 inches of wood. To me it is like the 34LG chain. Smooth and fast in small stuff but too low of tooth to be ideal. I will do some video comparing the PS3 to .325 in about 2 weeks.
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Kevin,
When we tested the 46cc 346, we had a pretty aggressive .325 chain on it and the 8 tooth just pulled it down too much to cut as fast as the added torque of the 7 pin.
Mike
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Thanks for the idea Mike. I may try this on my echo 450 that reminds me of the stock 346 OE to a T. I tried the 3/8 .325 comparsion and went back to 325. Guess now I need to try the PS PS3 with 7T and the 325 with 7 and 8.
By the way did you try the .325 with 8 so they both had the same rim size to 3/8 7?
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This shows the differences in the Oregon spur sprockets.
Philbert
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There are different drive sprockets for 3/8 low profile and standard 3/8 chain. More info from Oregon here:
http://www.oregonproducts.com/pro/products/sprockets/pro_main_sprockets.htm
Oregon does not make a rim sprocket for 3/8 low profile, but STIHL does ('3/8 Picco').
Philbert
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There is only one 3/8ths rim.
Both the standard and lo pro run equally well on it.
The nose sprocket in the bar however is another story.
Kevin,
I am running a 16" bar from a 338XP to get the right mount and the right nose sprocket. That is the first one I found that had an 095 mount and runs lo pro.
The rim is a standard Oregon 3/8ths in 7 pin. I intend to try an 8 on it later but just haven't done it yet.
Mike
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I only did for short periods of time Aaron for testing and fun to just see. Not long enough to see any wear patterns etc. Lets just say it worked fine on a 60cc poulan for giggles. ;)
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There was a long thread on A.S. about running low pro chain on regular 3/8" rims. It was not positive.
I suppose that if a guy was a really good welder, and had something like a lathe to center things, he could cut the spur off of one sprocket and weld it on the right clutch cup? Have to match the sprocket bearing too.
Seems like a lot of work, but it's a long winter ahead . . .
Philbert
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I was told that they don't make 3/8 low pro rim sprockets because the diameter would be too small. Maybe if they went up to more teeth per sprocket, but that would have other implications.
Philbert
I think I've read that too. The nine spline 3/8LP rim that have for that Poulan XXV rim-drive drum is six pin. The tiny nine spline drum shank is what allows that configuration (3/8LP-6) to work I guess.
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I've ran 3/8LP chain on 3/8 7T sprockets and 3/8 bars before.
Mike what are you using for your 346 3/8LP set up?
How well did that 3/8LP run on the 'regular' 3/8" pitch rim? I might just get a rim-drive drum (which comes with a .325-7 rim) for the PP295. Will then pick up a small spline 3/8-7 rim for it and give it a whirl with the 63PS on the 3/8LP bar that I have. At the least, if I decide to go back to .325 on that saw I'll have a rim drive setup (which I greatly prefer over spurs).
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I was told that they don't make 3/8 low pro rim sprockets because the diameter would be too small. Maybe if they went up to more teeth per sprocket, but that would have other implications.
Philbert
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I've ran 3/8LP chain on 3/8 7T sprockets and 3/8 bars before.
Mike what are you using for your 346 3/8LP set up?
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That 63PS is impressive. I'm definitely going to have to try it on my S25-CVA and PP295. I have an 18" 3/8-LP bar for the 295. Will get a 3/8-LP spur sprocket to try 63PS. Would be nice if they made 3/8-LP rims for small 7-spline drums.
I do have a rim drive drum setup (3/8-LP) for an XXV series Poulan. The rims are a goofy 9-spline setup. I can only find 3/8-LP and 1/4" pitch rims for that drum. Been wanting to try .325 on one of my S25's (for the heck of it)....
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Dont know who this is butttttt ::) operator needs to cut the same for both JMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYG1P3P-lBY
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I'm not sure what all was in the group I ran.
There was 3 different new or like new .325's and the PS outran them soundly.
I know another member of our "group" who is currently changing his NE346 over to PS and is going to change his MS261 over too.
The PS is just so easy to keep the saw wound up into the upper powerband.
For limbing, the cut is over before the RPM starts to drop.
Mike
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Mike did you have any .325 stihl RSC with the bigger cutters then other .325 chains to try?
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Very interesting.
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Well,
I tried the 63PS on my OE346.
I can't see ever putting anything else on it!!!
It is faster than any of the .325 chains I've had on it and SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much smoother than regular 3/8ths.
I'm now looking to change over a Poulan 3000/305 or one of the many other configurations of that saw and see how it does.
Mike
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I would give bet on .325 RSC over PS on 46cc.
That's my thought too.
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I would give bet on .325 RSC over PS on 46cc.
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I'm going to try a loop of 63PS out on my Poulan S25-CVA (38cc). Will also try it on my PP295 to compare it against .325 pitch on a 46cc saw. May be a little while before I get to it though...
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I was visiting cut4fun today and he had some straight "PS" yellow chain that he showed me. That was some fine looking chain for 3/8" Low Profile.
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>:( still not available in Canada going by what the local stihl dealer says. I bought a couple loops of the ps3 when I was over visiting my parents in
Oswego about almost a year ago. was in the local stihl dealer yesterday with one of the loops showing them and they just had zero info on it. also no response from stihl Canada about delivery date. we're still the last ones to get the good stuff. :'(
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Another 1st user. ;) ;D
Stihl PS chain came today. Laid next to the N1 Carlton the biggest difference seemed to be the rakers.The Stihl's was just straight,no profile side to side unlike the Carlton that had a slight profile.So I threw a chain on the Dolmar 420 with the Sugi hard nose,took it out to a Hard Rock Maple limb that had fallen across the fence.From the very first cut I knew something was up.The reviews are right this stuff rips.From branches to the butt(about 12")buzzed right through it.Didn't seem grabby at all.It requires power,once I got into the bigger part of the branch I had to let the saw work without pushing(like your supposed to) but still plenty quick. After everything was on the ground I stood a chunk up and end cut it,no problem.Then I laid one down and noodled it,tip buried again no problem.
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Sorry guys I'll test that 63PS chain versus the .325 Oregon 95 VPX ASAP. My tree service has been very busy lately ,customers coming at me from every angle out of the wood work.
Gotta make money before I can play.
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David I only know of 2 people here that may of tested that idea.
I know I talked about with 1 of them. I just dont see it out cutting a good 325 or full 3/8 on a stock or ported 50cc saw. JMO nothing to back it besides my 325, full 3/8 testing from the past when full 3/8 was on top of 325 every time. In 1 cut timed cuts.
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ok so on a little bigger saw 50ish cc does this make sense?
it would be like a hotrod big power light chassis right?
or does chip clearance make the difference.
How would it compare to oregons 34 chain the lopro .325 or the 21
orr what if 3/8 was set up for a small saw with a taller raker?
Where is the sweet spot.
Kevin thank you for you work.
David
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The ps chain is nice stuff real smooth. And cuts well. Finally a great 3/8 picco chain.
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Just got my first loop of ps chain hope to try it out tomorrow. Looks real impressive. Thanks for info on it.
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Alrighty then..
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All I know is the guys I had in mind for this chain when it came out.
1. My cheap minded budget firewood cutters that are using 36cc-42cc saws (usually poulans). They are using 16" bars cutting hardwoods.
2. Guys still GTG racing top handles in 8x8 and the 0-40cc rear handle class racing in 8x8 or up to 9-10" rounds.
They LOVE IT and I love these new stihl chains too. Thats is all that matters. Nothing more to say. ;)
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When thinning you learn the art of finding room... Tight spruce you cut your way in to see 3m in front of you....
Here is not much spruce manually cut that is over 15cm or under 40 on stump. If so it is often moonshine farmers, owners of small areas that can't carry cost of machine or pro going in to do it.
Logging here in my area is very different from higher up in Sweden.
The loggers I service all cut leafed wood. Oak, Beech, Ash occasionally birch. If the go in pined forest it is often by machine to cut edges, over sized or storm felled. In any case, not much limbing...
A bit higher up it is very different. I live in north of Skåne, 30-40km North from me it changes, 800km up from me there is hardly no leaved except birch. 1500km up no birch, No big trees at all inland there, just along cost and half way in. A bit higher you have no trees at all inland, subarctic climate, above polar circle. To the Finnich side in north there is Forrest that actualy is joined with Russian Taiga.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Map_of_Sweden_Cities_%28polar_stereographic%29.png
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How big is the wood in the thousands of cuts you make with this type of chain?
A long 12 hour day removing limby spruce in my customers back yards where there is no room to fell and cut up with my larger ground saws.
Some of these trees 100 feet tall. [30 meters]
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Good points Magnus, seeing pro cutting in Sweden is mostly softwood production a 35cc arborist saw makes no sense to be used.
Arborist work with these class of saws is big business over here in North America and other parts of Europe. Myself once being a logger now an arborist ,I would never want to go back to my earlier career.
Since Stihl introduced the MS201T with ratings dropping with performance not so good as the saw it replaced the MS200T, the company is trying to bring back some of that popularity by performance with the recent introduced 63 PS3 / PS.
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How big is the wood in the thousands of cuts you make with this type of chain?
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There can be many limbs cuts, that is right, but here logging is apparently a lot different from what you are used to as limbs are not that big.
These chains are not doing much cutting in bigger stuff here. They are used for clearing, thinning and occasional aroborist.
Fell, limb, cut top, repete. In rare occasions there might be two cuts.
Not very hard on the saw compared to a firewood creator were there is lo limbing, just cuts and cuts......
I have not seen a pro use 3/8 hobby here for years...
They all run 325 on smaller saws, 3/8 on bigger.
The use of a saw this size here makes it not so suited for chisel chain as it makes the job harder and slower.
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I haven't tested the Stihl PS3 yet.
You should have the newest out PS non-safety. I never tested the PS yet either. Only the older PS3 I got in 2011.
Yes typo mistake on my part, I have the 63PS without the extra safety links not the 63PS3. Honest mistake since I'm 1500 miles from home.
I'm not concerned about the Oregon 91 VXL chain to compare it too, I'm going to test it for cutting speed against my 95 VPX .325 that I'm running on my 338XPT.
The Oregon 95VPX semi chisel narrow kerf has excellent chip clearance and flow rating for a small chain ,but the chisel 63PS extended pitch 3/8" with the chisel working corner should put out quicker cutting speeds on the little Husky top handle.
Only a stop watch timing the difference in cutting speeds can make this test worthy. I always test my sawchains in clean knotless spruce 10"x10" cants. If there is a difference in .5 to 1 sec or slightly more in cuts between the 2 chains, that is major difference when the saw in a work day will make hundreds if not thousands of cuts. Add those cuts up and there is a major difference.
Only difference that may be negative against the 63PS chisel is cutting edge sharpness holding capability compared to the semi chisel 91VXL. But seeing the intended market for the 63Ps is directed for use with the MS201T which is a aerial saw used in clean cutting conditions , dulling shouldn't be an issue.
I'm glad to see you understand how to test chains out the right way. Being a racer yourself that only makes since. ;) ;D 8)
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I am confused do you have 63PS or not? If you don't it can be arranged..
It will not perform better than LPX if both is out of the box.
I have both PS3 and PS if you want a look see.
??? ??? ??? ??? How many times do I have to say I have PS and PS3 ? ;)
LPX I wouldnt have thought PS or PS3 would be faster. But cool for confirming my thoughts.
I typed wrong I meant VXL.
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I haven't tested the Stihl PS3 yet.
You should have the newest out PS non-safety. I never tested the PS yet either. Only the older PS3 I got in 2011.
Yes typo mistake on my part, I have the 63PS without the extra safety links not the 63PS3. Honest mistake since I'm 1500 miles from home.
I'm not concerned about the Oregon 91 VXL chain to compare it too, I'm going to test it for cutting speed against my 95 VPX .325 that I'm running on my 338XPT.
The Oregon 95VPX semi chisel narrow kerf has excellent chip clearance and flow rating for a small chain ,but the chisel 63PS extended pitch 3/8" with the chisel working corner should put out quicker cutting speeds on the little Husky top handle.
Only a stop watch timing the difference in cutting speeds can make this test worthy. I always test my sawchains in clean knotless spruce 10"x10" cants. If there is a difference in .5 to 1 sec or slightly more in cuts between the 2 chains, that is major difference when the saw in a work day will make hundreds if not thousands of cuts. Add those cuts up and there is a major difference.
Only difference that may be negative against the 63PS chisel is cutting edge sharpness holding capability compared to the semi chisel 91VXL. But seeing the intended market for the 63Ps is directed for use with the MS201T which is a aerial saw used in clean cutting conditions , dulling shouldn't be an issue.
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Got my loops of the stihl PS 63PS in yesterday.
Even older post when I 1st got the PS chains. Back in June I think ;)
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I am confused do you have 63PS or not? If you don't it can be arranged..
It will not perform better than LPX if both is out of the box.
I have both PS3 and PS if you want a look see.
??? ??? ??? ??? How many times do I have to say I have PS and PS3 ? ;)
LPX I wouldnt have thought PS or PS3 would be faster. But cool for confirming my thoughts.
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I am confused do you have 63PS or not? If you don't it can be arranged..
It will not perform better than VXL if both is out of the box.
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Jim when I had my PS3 here. The local stihl dealers had no clue on it.
Weird the website wouldnt have the PS up yet. I have both PS3 and PS if you want a look see.
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I don't see straight PS on the list. All they show is the PS3 with the side by side double rakers
http://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/saw-chains/
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What PS is it you haven't tested yet? 63PS?
I havent tested 63PS
I have only tested 63PS3 back in 2011. All right there in the OP 2011 and videos just posted from 2011.
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What PS is it you haven't tested yet? 63PS?
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I haven't tested the Stihl PS3 yet.
You should have the newest out PS non-safety. I never tested the PS yet either. Only the older PS3 I got in 2011.
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Kevin, I haven't tested the Stihl PS3 yet. I'm up in the Black Hills in South Dakota with my family, we're presently camping at a campground right next to Mt Rushmore. Beautiful country and great folk here and food :) Spending 3 weeks here in the Dakotas , won't be home until 1st week of Sept.
On Friday we're going up to Deadwood to see one of the biggest classic car shows in the world. 8)
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Year or 2 dry 8x8 aspen cant. This was back in May 2011
http://youtu.be/oVs2rb7CMxQ
http://youtu.be/u8LjyTmQUrA
http://youtu.be/1Iwo-sKjcNI
http://youtu.be/znFVT8MlmmU
http://youtu.be/WOqbtxdfufU
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Oh man this is to cool. Back when I did the 3/8 LP picco low profile chain test. I had just watched them and timed them on my puter back in 2011? Well some how they embedded themselves on my hard drive.
So I am uploading the chain test to youtube as I type.
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I was hoping to see video of the chains that cut so different.
I gave up video taping and uploading years ago. If by myself, I video, come in and time. Most times now a friend is over to do the timing, so I dont bother with videoing.
Another reason we are liking the PS PS3 chains over here is it has a chisel cutter. Guys are square filing the PS PS3 and going even faster. Makes a great 40cc under race chain too.
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I was hoping to see video of the chains that cut so different.
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Were we live the trees grow almost round and are cut that way. To see what works best for us using saws for a living means testing in a real enviorment with real cuts in knots and hark with what ever comes with it.
If you do same style with two saws in same wood with little difference it is hard to believe there is much difference.
You hear the motor running in the video right?
When comparing chains it is good to use same wood, saws, bars and runner. How you do it is of less importance as long as it is done the same on the stuff compared.
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Good for you guys. 8) 8) Use what works for you. ;)
For one thing when I test chains. I dont rock in the cuts I make sure I can reach across and make 1 single cut straight through all the way down. I then listen to the saws motor to make sure it isnt bogging in each cut like one of the videos.
All I know is my echo pole saw feels like a light sabre with the PS3 on it now days. less time in the cut means less time of me having to hold that puppy over my head. :D
I know what works for me and many others out there testing and using. :D
This is how I try and do testing when possible. If not then the testing gets irregular, even hitting a knot throws it off. You got to try and listen to the motor and keep them rpm's in the cuts. :P Straight across no rocking in the cuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5RRdaV8K8E&list=TLEBEcm2QHPeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS1UpLyGiTM&list=TLqGFDW9XYZBM
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Stihl 63PS
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Oregon 91VXL
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Yes, I was the one running the saws for Magnus, We tested Stihl 63PM, Stihl 63PS and Oregon 91VXL, 63PM was the slowest cutter of them about four seconds slower.
The difference between 63PS and 91VXL is almost impossible to tell, and yes we have films to back up what we are saying. The 91VXL is a smoother cutter with less vibrations.
Johan
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I ran it in half dry spruce with 260mm diameter.
A buddy of mine ran both too and times of the 6 cuts each we made are super close.
There was no big difference in our times. At the most 0.5se either way.
You had more than 2,7 sek difference. That is a substantial difference...
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Oregon 91 safety 10.96 and 10.90
Oregon 91 full skip spun when hit wood 11.09 and 10.65
Carlton N1 9.28 and 9.06
Stihl 63PS3 7.31 and 7.56
Windsor 50R 10.34 and 9.93
Oregon VXL 10.03 and 9.41
VXL not even close here 2 to 2.75 seconds difference in 1 cut in 8"x8" or like 9" round. N1 carlton was the closest. Guys I make the loops of PS3 state it is like cutting butter compared to their other chains they use.
I'm sold on it.
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I tested the 63PS on a 200 the other day.
Just for the hell of it I got out a 91VXL and ran that too.
Same saw, bar and log. Both chains brand spanking new!
I can't say there was much difference at all in speed, perhaps if you look at 100's of seconds, but to me that is not important.
The PS Vibrated more, that is about all difference I could find.
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The new Stihl chain on the Husky 338xpt.
The same chain is on the scale, weighing in at 169 grams for a 52dl's
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The Stihl bumper style chain on the Jonsered 2139.
The same chain is on the scale, weighing in at 180 grams for a 52dl's
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Got my loops of the stihl PS 63PS in yesterday. Dont see how it can cut any better then the PS3 in the bucking cuts, maybe better in the bore cuts.
Jack says the weight from the small ramps on the PS3 dont even add that much weight. Unlike some other makers chains out there.
The weight of the bumperless Stihl 3/8' lp chain is one tenth of a gram less than the bumper edition, in a 52 dl chain.
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I just sharpened 2 loops of oregon 91 safety chain with those long bumpers like a dorsal fin for a guy. When he picked up the chains I had a loop of stihl PS3 in 56dl for him to run on his 36cc poulan.
He was all smiles and bought that loop too.
He stated that PS3 chain was like comparing night and day to that other chain.
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It was last summer sometime I bought both a loop of semi and a loop of Stihl chisel 52 drivers .It seems to me the chisel was about a dollar more a loop .Around 18-19 bucks I think .
A little pricey but Stihl branded chain will last longer simpley because it's harder steel .I priced it in Oregon or at least the semi style and it was only a few dollars more than Baileys . Really 3/8" LP lasts me a long time .
Now I did in fact take the loop I got from Kevin and refiled it square ,full race chain .Dovetailed cutters ,dog boned chain ,polished rivets .Sure it cut faster but if not for the fact of playing saw racer with a mini saw it would be a terrible waste of time for a work chain .Now let me tell you square filing a chain that small is a beech .
Something like a trim saw you are not normally in the dirt with so sharp filed round chisel would hold the edge probabley as well as semi .
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Whats a 55 link loop cost? We will sell them for $16.00, same as PS3.
I paid $19.00 for a 56 link loop at my dealer for the PS3.
I thought it was a bit pricey but it is GREAT chain.
Mike
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No clue never bought a loop. I havent bought any PS either. Just price checking for when I run out of PS3
I think Al bought a loop of PS3 from a dealer before.
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Whats a 55 link loop cost? We will sell them for $16.00, same as PS3.
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100' $289 retail for 63 PS
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Just change the last 4 numbers in the 100' roll to 0410 and you can order yourself up a 25' roll of 63PS.
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Just passing on info. Stihl PS can now be had 3617 005 1640 63PS (100' roll listed)
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I've heard that somewhere!!! ;)
Mike
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I picked up a loop of the 63 PS3 today and all I can say is...................................................amazing!
This stuff will smoke my fastest hand filed 3/8ths LP with ease!
Mike
You can square file it too. 8) 8) 8) 8)
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I picked up a loop of the 63 PS3 today and all I can say is...................................................amazing!
This stuff will smoke my fastest hand filed 3/8ths LP with ease!
Mike
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Larry works at stihl dealer and said a new chain is out 63PS. That would be the 63PS3 chisel chain without the safety bumpers. Sweeeet
63PS picco 3/8LP chisel.
Hey guys,
New chain in town "Stihl 63PS"
No safety links.
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Has anyone heard if Oregon has a 3/8LP chisel chain in the works yet?
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thanks
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The PS3 would have a cutter like RSC3 just smaller. It's not semi chisel like the PM PMC was.
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that's what I figured.This 3/8 lp chisel ps3 is a square tooth chain correct .Sorta getting back into this stuff ,just picked up a ms362 and a ms 261 got great deals on both . Home firewood for me these days ,my climbing days are over unless it is really necessary.Love this site ,it gets me feeling young again ,great stuff to read and nice people is what I have found so far . This wood cutting community I have always found to be very tight even in a competitive area like New Jersey.Thanks I'll keep trying to get better at sharpening this site has great ideas.
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5/32" (4.0 mm) for 3/8" STIHL PICCO™
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So,what is the file and file size for this ps3 chain .I'm thinking of picking up a 201t.
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The only little letown with this chain is that there isn't a streight 63PS or 63PSC, just the "green" 63PS3....
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Here is part number on box if you are wanting 25' instead of a 100' roll.
Thanks to those involved getting this chain to me. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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After testing the one loop and wanting more I couldnt find it local. So I have 25' coming from west side. ;) This stuff will sure wake up all those poulans out there with 3/8lp.
Al you need 14" 3/8lp 050 50 drive link for that 200T? If so I will be making up a gift pack for you.
Got another of the style D-ring handles I dont use in on a saw. Anything else I need to put in small priority box you can think of in the future?
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My cheapo camera on micro couldn't get the best pic. But here is a comparison of the PS3 cutter to the PM or PMC cutter. Now you can see the square corner of the PS cutter compared.
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A tree guy over at ( Masterblaster site The Tree House ) square filed the PS3 for his 200T and here is what he has to say. ;D
Link to his site. http://gypoclimber.com/forum.php
BTW you guys... The new chain absolutely screams with the square grind in it. Lots of fun....
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Al for the 14" on your 200T. Dealer said you want part # 3616 005 0055 for the 63PS3
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I did learn something from this. The carlton n1 chain was 55 dl and it wouldnt work, So I broke down a oregon 91 for a drive link and reused it in the carlton chain and it worked perfect to make a 56dl chain.
Now earlier in the year I tried doing this with a stihl 325 chain with oregon presets since I only had them left. This did not work do to the oregon having bigger rivet or stihl having smaller holes. Locked chain at those connections.
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PM1 isn't made anymore it was the triple hump style of reduced kickback chain the .325 and 3/8 version was called RM2.
PMC3 is semi chisel, reduced kick back green label chain
PM is semi chisel, yellow label chain it's the same cutter shape as the RM .325, and 3/8 chain
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Still havent found a 45dl or 56dl PMC or PM. What is the difference in PM1 and the PM and PMC? I found a 45dl of PM1 to buy and try in the same cant. Even though I really dont think it will come close to the PS3 8)
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Like I said I have never used PM or PMC smi chisel chain, but this PS3 round chisel is the fastest smoothest low profile chain I have used to date. Hope they come out with a PS or PSC now too.
The PS3 reminds me of big brother RS RSC chain in the cut. Nice chips and smooth cut.
Appears to be roughly 20% - 25% faster in my comparisons dont it? I havent run the math yet.
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I never got a loop of PM or PMC and I had some time to kill today to test some chains. year or 2 year ols dry 8x8 aspen cant.
I just remembered where my loop of Oregon VXL is. On my Solo 637 , so I need to go run that loop here in a bit.
After this I am sold on Stihl PS3 and hopefully PS or PSC someday in the future.
Oregon 91 safety 10.96 and 10.90
Oregon 91 full skip spun when hit wood 11.09 and 10.65
Carlton N1 9.28 and 9.06
Stihl 63PS3 7.31 and 7.56
Windsor 50R 10.34 and 9.93
Will be right back with VXL times. ::)
Oregon VXL 10.03 and 9.41
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Anyone have a fresh loop of 63PM or 63PMC that I can use for a test to compare cutting times with a 35cc and the PS3 in aspen 8x8. Also have some oregon, windsor, carlton to try (I think still.)
Would 45dl or 56dl 3/8LP 050.
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As I said other places ,back in the day Oregon made 1/4" in full comp and skip round chisel .Would that stuff cut ,my my .
Ralph Nader was instrumental in eliminating chisel on small chains .His reasoning was that small saws were basically designed for occasional users .He feared chisel chain would lead to more injurys .
Actually I don't believe locally a person can even find 3/8" Lo pro in any configuration other than guard chain not even at the Stihl dealers .That I have came from Baileys .Plus a loop of non gaurd Stihl that was sent to me .
The type of ramped chain as shown in the pic is a better cutter than the long type guard chain ,I'll have to say that . I really have no idea if in the tree biz they do much bore cutting with a trim saw anyway so I'd speculate the ramps would have little effect on how it cut .
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Al this is what we needed for the 0-40cc small saw racing in 8x8. Can you say square filed PS.
Bet it would smoke the VX semi chisel and VXL I was using.
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More digging, below is from stihl and a stihl dealer.
STIHL Inc. is proud to announce an additional saw chain for the professional arborist in a full-chisel cutter style. The 3/8" STIHL PICCO Super 3 is especially designed for use on the MS 200/201 and MS 200T/201T.
Users will benefit from these key product features:
15% more cutting performance than the STIHL 63 PMC and 33% more cutting performance than the Oregon 91VG
5% less feed force than STIHL 63 PMC and 26% less feed force than the Oregon 91VG
Low vibration
Smoother running
Chain does indeed have a safety hump near the raker. What he overlooked is the square chisel cutter and more importantly how the safety hump is designed. Look closely at it and you will notice its kinda long and it sets well below the cutter along the bar. In fact it sets at the cut off line on the raker meaning its plenty low. At the nose when the chain goes around that long pointed design pokes out and does it job to prevent kickback. Other than that the safety hump on that chain does nothing but go along for the ride. That chain will cut like crazy and have less kickback too boot.
Well they claimed at the meeting it was a long time coming but they finally have the chain the guys wanted mainly for the 200T. By looking at it I think its right nifty. I sell alot of plain 63PM chain for my 200T users. They too have always wanted a square chisel cutter so this may be right up their alley. The 63PM has no safety hump but its got a rounded corner cutter. That square chisel cutter should be abit quicker in the cut. I'll know in a few days
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I know some of you guys will want to know about this. Stihl Picco 3/8LP round chisel chain.
This one is green tag with 3/8lp 050.
Best pics I got in few tries.
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