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Saws in Action - GTG Events Competitions - Janka Wood Hardness Scale - World Records - Firewood BTU Comparison Chart => GTG and Competition dates - Lumberjack World Records => Topic started by: Cut4fun on February 02, 2012, 06:55:33 am
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It looks like all of the saws really ran well. I am still trying to figure out who built what saws, and what saws ran stock.
Later
Dan
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A couple after thoughts .I wish I had taken the time to help out a few but I was up to my azz in alligators with saw problems .
Danged old big saws sit all year and only get fired maybe twice the whole year .You think they're going to run but they seem to get fickle in the eleventh hour so to speak . >:(
I think I could have tuned those old reed valve Macs that one fellow had and possibley that red S-25 Poulan but I didn't want to seem like a wise azz so I didn't jump right in .
I kind of cut my eye teeth so to speak on reed valve Macs although their perfomance didn't show much that time .However at the next go round where ever that is if someone needs assistance I always have a screwdriver and am willing ,y'all just have to ask .Just the way I am . ;)
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Very nice and thanks to the efforts of Mr and Mrs Poor and the fine hospitality as is always the case in that household and worthy of mention .Thank you all kindly .
There was a nice collection of parts etc for sale .I think Fred must have brought about a half a ton with him .I had head in butt else I'd have rounded up enough .404 by 063 chisel chain to make a 123 driver loop for the 084.
That aside I landed some neat stuff very reasonabley priced including the bones of an 042 Stihl which has parts as scarce as hens teeth .Now I can totally restore mine to the point when it came out of the factory some 30 years ago . ;D
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Just wanted to give another TY out to Earl, Mart and my Wifey. Earl helped me alot in preparations for the event and of course Jo and Mart did the cooking. Sorry about the grill snafu. Even the best laid plans sometimes go eyry.
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Glad I could have a part in the GTG. Would like to make one someday. Keep checking the mail Kevin, you never know. ;)
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Thanks to everyone that came. Sure was alot of nice saws there. Even the vintage saws were awesome. Thanks to Kevin for keeping track of times and to Brad and anyone that took pics and video. What I do is only a small part of hosting a GTG. I've always been able to rely on you guys to complete the day.
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Good thing Nate was there to run Brad's piped 390 for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1prVCW7c4_o
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Thanks for another great GTG Bill.
Brad put together some of the cuts into a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iluCftMwlSI
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Thank you Bill for a great GTG. The food was fantastic.
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Thanks WK Poor
I had a great time
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All were hotstart over wood.
Vintage and top handles were in 8x8 pine and 2 cuts.
3-4-5 were in 8x8 cottonwood and 3cuts
6 and 100+ was in 10x10 cottonwood and 3 cuts
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Sometimes I have the worst luck. :'(
I wanted that miracle wedge that old iron logging donated for the gtg drawing really really bad. After lunch I shook the box up good and had one of Bill's little kids reach in and pull out the winner.
Well I was shocked to say the least when I opened the card and it had my name on it. I felt a little awkward and bad about it so I said no, pull another name. So Andre aka andyshine is the winner of the miracle wedge.
Thanks Art for the very generous donation to the site and gtg give away. 8)
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Hope everybody had a great time. Wish i could have been there :(
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Happy sawin'! ;D
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Getting close. ;D The real reason we got the XL :D
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off we go to the GTG
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Im bringing about 40 saws, 2 miles of chain, and NOS & used parts, race chain,
somebody remind me to get gas in the morning, im usually not all there at 6 am. ill be there around 7 got ALOT to unload!
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I've got 13 or 14 stuffed in the back of that short bed Ranger .133 miles more or less ,2.5 hours .Be there some where around 9 I suppose .
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Packed for morning gtg trip. 8)
I'm only bringing 18 saws just in case somebody wants something worse then me and 2 have been sold already.
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Sorry for misunderstanding you Fred.
When you told me to tell everyone you was selling out I read into it you were done with saws. You will find that cars take 125% more money then saws.
Will be good to see you at the gtg again too.
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Im still into saws but, I have a car im restoring/building to race and it takes $$$$.
i have oodles of parts for saws i dont have. so Im bringing everything and its all for sale for the right price ;)
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I got hold of Fred aka stihlboy and he stated he was no longer into chainsaw stuff and was going to sale everything.
Guys this guy has tons of 084 stuff and 066 stuff. I know he has one of the fastest woods ported 084's I have seen and it even won the SC Timberfest in the gas class.
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Bought 4 more popular 8x8 cants today. Brings total to 21 cants + one round one. Actually I think the cotton is a pretty nice cant wood. At least it is a good use for an otherwise useless wood.
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Something else I want to throw out there. I have 17 cants but at least 3 are of very low quality. And another 4 are odd sized (6x9).
If I call by 9am I can order up as many clear popular cants as I want and pick up tomorrow. 8x8s are 28.00. How many are interested in purchasing cants or purchasing any left over cants? As it stands now my best cants are cotton wood.
Also I have an almost perfectly round 20" bark free 15' long cotton wood that could make a dandy big wood race cant if anyone has the bar and chain. There are 2 more bark free cotton woods similar also that can be for whatever.
So let me know if you can so I can decide by tomorrow on the cants.
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For those that can't make it hope to see you at GTG somewhere in the future. For those that can I'll put up my addy again.
7119 Sixteenth Rd Sw Amanda, OH 43102
614-361-3296
No particular start time and no particular end time. I imagine folks will filter in from 8-10 and things will rap at about 4-6.
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It will be a welcome relief from this heat ,that's for sure .
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Be careful, post op, about infection. That seems to be where my friends have had more trouble.
My thoughts will be with you.
Jim
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Crossing my fingers for a simple operation and quick recovery.
Mike
I hope you can make it Mike. Good luck with your operation.
Hope all goes well, very speedy recovery and to see you there.
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Well I dropped off 4 saws tonight at Andyshie77s place so those along with the 2 that will be coming along from others will at least give me a presence and a feeling of participation if I can't make it.
Crossing my fingers for a simple operation and quick recovery.
Mike
I hope you can make it Mike. Good luck with your operation.
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Well I dropped off 4 saws tonight at Andyshie77s place so those along with the 2 that will be coming along from others will at least give me a presence and a feeling of participation if I can't make it.
Crossing my fingers for a simple operation and quick recovery.
Mike
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Actually any time in the morn is OK. Most of the morning is casual time so whatever time people show up is OK Food will be noon ish
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Bill what time in the AM will be good for us to start filtering into your place? If you already said I cant remember. :-[
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660 you may want that shade maker. ;)
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Is this going to be in the woods or out in the open.
The reason I ask is to know if I should bring a sun umbrella?
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do you know if anyone not on your site has said they will come?
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Just some maybe's no confirmations.
None ask for a addy which tells the tell too.
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Wifey said to tell everyone to bring teir own chairs to sit on. We have alot but to make sure everyone has a seat it would take that out of the equation for us. Also Kevin,do you know if anyone not on your site has said they will come?
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I will be there Bill baring a death in the family or some other catistophic situation.Lawdy I didn't spend all this time to get some of those old boat anchors running for nothing .Might even have a fast one or two ,you never know . ;)
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Yeah Bill,
I don't know yet if the doc will even let me ride in a car that soon.
I made some preliminary arrangements to get a few saws up there for you racers to kick around.
As of right now I'm planning to come and just sit and watch.
$7.00 for the kind of meal your wife sets is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cheap!!!
You did a pretty good days work when you got her!
Mike
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On a side note I can make and repair chains at my place. Only thing I will sell off the roll right now is .058 full comp chisel round. Not much sqaure left on my other roll.
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About time I made another appearance. Just to remind everyone of a few details. If you haven't RSVP'd in a PM or other way please do so. My wife is on my case about the numbers cause she is doing the most important part.......the food! Also because I am expecting a rather large # I am charging 7 bucks for the meal. Don't boho because she usually goes all out. You won't go home hungry and there will be lots of desert.
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Mike your health is #1. Would like to see you make it if you just ride along. Only if the doc allows though.
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For the guy that was wanting the oregon LG chain.
Here is the new off the reel CL square chain I told you I had. Just file round when needed and it will then be LG. All I ask is a new LGX or RSC chain in return. 3/8 050 60 or 72 no matter on that if you have one handy. ;)
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>:( I think I might have gotten my cancellation notice for this GTG today!!!
Went to the surgeon for follow-up from last weeks arteriogram and he wants to operate on the blockage in my femoral artery on the Tuesday before the GTG!!! (Why don't we have a crying emocon here?)
I know I won't be allowed to drive at all but might try to hitch a ride from one of the Cincy boys if I can travel at all.
I will definitely get up to Cincy with some of my saws so they can still make it even if I an homebound!
This is a real heart breaker but I've GOT to get this fixed.......my legs are my living!
Mike
Sorry to hear about this news.
:'( crying smiley
Hope you can still hitch a ride and bring saws. There will be enough people to run your saws for you ;D
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>:( I think I might have gotten my cancellation notice for this GTG today!!!
Went to the surgeon for follow-up from last weeks arteriogram and he wants to operate on the blockage in my femoral artery on the Tuesday before the GTG!!! (Why don't we have a crying emocon here?)
I know I won't be allowed to drive at all but might try to hitch a ride from one of the Cincy boys if I can travel at all.
I will definitely get up to Cincy with some of my saws so they can still make it even if I an homebound!
This is a real heart breaker but I've GOT to get this fixed.......my legs are my living!
Mike
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Those old wet rascals will cut okay .Just takes a little extra action with a file if you do a race chain .
Ha what's neat about a real wet one if you have enough power behind it you can you blow 4 inch fluffies like a wood planer . ;D
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I took 10 logs down to the mill yesterday. 3 were oozing sap pretty bad. Thinking about dropping of a couple more cotton wood as that may make the nicest cants.
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Anybody looking for anything special? Buy sale or trade? That way I know what to bring.
I dont plan on bringing a lot right now compared to the old days.
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WHAT????? ??? ??? ???
These old junks here of mine?
I'll probably spend the day trying to get them started while you boys are having all the fun! >:(
Maybe one of you REAL saw mechanics will help me get them running like they do in drag racing!
I've seen more than once a guy loan a competetor a vital part, even up to and including a whole engine and then get beat by his own parts!
Now THAT'S sportsmanship!!!
Mike
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I seen your winning NE 50cc and OE 45cc times at the 346 build off.
So you can stop teasing us Mike about running your new Beast saws against our old school stuff ;) ;)
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YA!!!
You will both probably kick my little 351's tail, but you have it to do!!!
He won't be running away from the big boys!
Mike
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Mike his is a 45cc too. I am betting his has a 199 357 carb.
I'm leaving the 346 carb on #2 45cc.
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I'm sportin one of those hot little 346s too.
Well!!!!
Belly on up to the bar and getcha some of this!!!!!
Looking forward to seeing all of you'ens again.
Mike
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I'm sportin one of those hot little 346s too.
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Kind of the neat thing about this is it motivates me to get them all running again .
So far so good .The Clinton is the next antique to wrench on .It's got to be the carb,won't pump for some reason .Can't be much .--well on second thought I've said that before and took the carbs apart 4-5 times before I get them ---
Danged old saws sit for 20 years and regardless if you rebuild the carbs stuff has found its' way into the tank or something to come back and haunt you after the fact .
Antiques are not for the impatient .I've had to just walk away more than once before I took a hammer to them .
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My OE has the 346 carb and my NE has a 357 carb.
I'm not sure the 357 carb on the 346 is worth losing the primer bulb, but I'm not going to change it out to see!!!
Mike
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I did pick up another 357 carb for the 346 carbed one to switch out to test someday. But I am just going to set extra 357 carb back for now.
You had one with 346 carb and 357 carb too?
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I'm certainly looking forward to it!!!
Anxious to see how bad Kevins 346oe kicks mines butt!!!
Also got a little jewel in the mail yesterday to show off! ;D
Mike
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I was looking at the Miracle Wedge and it is all first class. The device itself appears to be CNC machined and the leather pouch is a good grade of leather so it is very professional.
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20 days to go. Bill you ready for all of us?
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Miracle Wedge and ;) arrived safely Art.
Thanks and I am sure the winner of the give away will be just as appreciated as I am of your donation. 8)
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Bill your addy is safe posted here in this thread. I have it to where you have to be signed in to see it. That way no bots, spiders and undesirable people can read it. ;)
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Since its not hard to Google me up I'm just going to put my addy in this post.
Bill Poor
7119 16th R Sw
Amanda, OH 43102
614-361-3296
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Thanks for the door prize Old Iron Logging.
Many thanks here as well!
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The wedge should show up at Kevin's place any day now. Give it away anyway you see fit.
Art I will have all guys interested to put their name in a jar and have a kid pull out a name for us.
Thanks for the door prize Old Iron Logging.
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The wedge should show up at Kevin's place any day now. Give it away anyway you see fit.
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My Garmin takes me right to his place with no troubles. ;)
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I tried it both ways and it finds my house exact. Even puts the flag right on my driveway. The drive is long enough it shows it as a road.
7119 16th Rd Sw Amanda, OH 43102 or Sixteenth Rd Sw Amanda, OH
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Actually I do live on Sixteenth Rd Sw. Most people just abbreviate it 16th. No other road around here though that is 16th. I'll google me up to see what up both ways.
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I was looking for Bill's house on Google tonight and there is a confusing situation when using Google Maps.
Bill lives on 16th Rd SW which also happens to be county Hwy 12. This is on US 22 about a mile South of Amanda and only goes to the South off US 22. It is actually the first road to the South from US 22 on the West side of Amanda.
If you enter Bill's address, Google will likely suggest County Hwy 16 which is the road that goes North out of Amanda. It is close enough to be confusing? A key to the fact that you did something wrong is that the icon will place you at the intersection of county Hwy 16 and US 22 and there is no house there.
Don't let Google fool you.
Also Bill's road is 16th Rd SW and not Sixteenth Rd.
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Pmc against ps which I guess means pico super or chisel .
He tried to con me into whatever that number is for carbide .I suppose that might be okay for those who have no idea how to or are too lazy to use a file .
The dealer agreed it would not be as fast as standard semi chisel .I had no interest so I didn't even price it .
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Al did you get a PMC or PM to test against the PS3?
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I trucked on down to the dealer this morning and picked up two new 3/8" pico chains to test the semi chisel against the chisel using a stock 200T .
I was surprised to find out that chain was not much more than an Oregon of the same driver count .
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Sweet. Will be some smoking fast cut times.
I've raced in pine at Chardon before when they had it. They run whatever is donated from the mill. Usually its poplar and has been pine here lately.
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Earl graciously donated several pine logs for racing cants. The first came down today. That dude is 20" and over 40' long.
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Anytime is good with me. I think most will show between 9-10 but early is ok too.
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Depends on what time Bill wants us to start filtering in.
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If anyone is driving Friday to Ohio. I could hook you up with floor, couch or even a dry barn space for the night if you wanted for the night. Just let me know.
What time do you think you will be leaving sat morning?
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If anyone is driving Friday to Ohio. I could hook you up with floor, couch or even a dry barn space for the night if you wanted for the night. Just let me know.
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PM sent..... ;)
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Already have it Bill. I'll be there myself baring any unforseen circumstance .
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Wifey wants a head count for food. Send me a PM and I'll respond with addy. Thanks
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They did cut rather easy so I'm pretty sure they are Cotton wood.
May have found the pine for the cants. Earl is getting a new electric line this summer and South Central Power will be taking down several trees. Guess I'll be doing that for them early.
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If it's soft it's cotton wood ,hard it's ash .
I suppose I've got 5-6000 bd ft laying in logs of ash myself .At least that much still dead standing .
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Actually Al I think that is all cotton wood. Infinite amount still left behind where I got that. But the key word is think, don't know for sure. If those are ash they should be headed for the mill.
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Looks like a load of EAB ash on that trailer .Good choice Bill could heat his house with the cookies half the season on that stuff . Toss them in a pile and cover them with a blue tarp,good to go ,no splitting .
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Aha now that might be something .That loud old Mac 6-10 that rang my ears and still does will flat out run for an old fart . If it doesn't blow itself apart from cranking on at over 15 thou might be good to go .Stranger things have happened .
Geeze though we keep coming up with ideas poor old Bill will have to order a semi full of cants .On the other hand he could heat his house all winter on the cookies .No splitting ,easy to handle . ;D
Talked to Bill last night. Vintage class is on. 8) 8) 8)
Lets try and keep it to 70's and older saws. I'm just going to run that echo 702 71cc with 8T. Bill said something about a Homie XL for his.
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Looking good Bill.
What do you think about a vintage class?
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First load come home today. Play wood for the morning.
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;D Snatch a few of those pizz elms to test old Brads chains out again .He couldn't have done any better if he had cut a chunk of sandstone .
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Going after play wood tomorrow. I've got one shot at getting in before they plant this field. Bunch or big ole cotton woods. I'll see how many I can haul out before work. I always like to have a buch of big wood to play on.
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Yeah they got a little hard too after they sat for a spell .Not as hard as that Indiana shag bark though ,mercy was that stuff tough .
Nohing however on this planet could possible be as hard as that beech log where you and I first met some time back .That son of a brick was petrified as hard as granite. Dulled every thing that attacked it . When a Mac 125 or a Stihl 090 grunts going through a log you know darned well it's a tough one .
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You remember the stacks of cants I used to get dont you Al. I even had a good stack still when it was over too.
I think I got a pic of leftovers somewhere.
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Aha now that might be something .That loud old Mac 6-10 that rang my ears and still does will flat out run for an old fart . If it doesn't blow itself apart from cranking on at over 15 thou might be good to go .Stranger things have happened .
Geeze though we keep coming up with ideas poor old Bill will have to order a semi full of cants .On the other hand he could heat his house all winter on the cookies .No splitting ,easy to handle . ;D
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Going to throw this out there at you all going to this gtg and to Bill wkpoor.
At my gtg's I used to have a vintage class. Run any cc size saw with any chain as long as they were 1979 or 1977 or 1970 and older. I always used 1979. The others were some other real races used for dates.
Say you had a saw dated 1982 but its production run started in 1978 you were good to go.
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Well I already know that I'm not worth a damn on the cants, so maybe a buried 20 in a log would be more "up my alley"!
I surely couldn't be any worse. :-[
Mike
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It's kind of neat whatever size the saw is to see it in action like it would be a day in the woods .Cants are neat for a speed run but really that doesn't tell the whole tale . You know on that some of those cookies cutters could get er done and some could not ,depends .
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So then in addition to those Husqvarnas would an 038Av be out of the question ?It is 61 cc maybe a tad over ?
I was just throwing out suggestions for some other stuff to do Al. I havent even talked with Bill for awhile now to ask about it.
I wouldnt see why a 038 61cc couldnt play if we had a side play off area.
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I kind of like that buried to the bone cut on bigger wood .I never could get one to really cut good over the cants but in the torque department --maybe .
So then in addition to those Husqvarnas would an 038Av be out of the question ?It is 61 cc maybe a tad over ?
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I think Brad has his up for sale.
I can't understand why! ???
Mike
I just muffler modded the other 45cc one today. What a difference just that made. (no cut times to back it up, but seat of the pants feel in the cut from stock to ported with stock muffler to ported with MM ;D ;D. Think I am just going to leave the 346 carb on this one (even though I found a 199 and 175 )
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Then maybe go old school with OE 45cc show down with 20" bars and stock 3/8 chain buried same way 1 cut. I will have 2 by June, you have 1 Bill, Mike has 1, Brad has 1 last I knew, and I am sure Ed has a few. Could bring caliber to measure bores if we think someone is pulling a fast one on us.
I think Brad has his up for sale.
I can't understand why! ???
Mike
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Hey Moparman, are you an Allis guy? I've got 7 CAs here now.
Yes Sir Bill!!!
I love the Orange!
Mike
Looks nice and down the road. http://mansfield.craigslist.org/grd/2931740842.html
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Hey Bill, just a thought.
Like Ed was saying have a 562xp 560xp 2260 555 show down running the same bar and stock work chain for timed cuts in bigger wood bars buried 1 cut. Know there is plenty of guys out there with them woods ported now. Heck throw the 357 359 361 362 3750 etc in there too. :o
Then maybe go old school with OE 45cc show down with 20" bars and stock 3/8 chain buried same way 1 cut. I will have 2 by June, you have 1 Bill, Mike has 1, Brad has 1 last I knew, and I am sure Ed has a few. Could bring caliber to measure bores if we think someone is pulling a fast one on us. :P ::)
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June 2nd
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i tend to do a lot more watching than cutting. i tried really hard to get into racing. i just cant make myself practice after running a saw all day. i build a saw and think im going to run it ,then i pull it down and part it out. i feel guilty when i have a saw that i cant take to work.
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Yes Sir Bill!!!
I love the Orange!
Mike
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Hey Moparman, are you an Allis guy? I've got 7 CAs here now.: Quote Bill .
That series is one of the first engines I rebuilt as a teenager .It was on my fathers' 1938 B Allis .Crank starter but it still runs like a top . Later in life I must have welded a half dozen little Allis blocks that people let freeze up .Splits them right through the middle .
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kevin i dont even pretend to be a racer. i run the same saws at these gtg's that i use to make my living evry day. id almost be willing to bet that my saws that were at jeremy's place this weekend were the only ones that went to work in the logging woods this morning.
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I'm in. Unless I tick her off between now and then. ;D
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I will let you know once I know whats going on,
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I hope you make it Ed but not at the expense of your health.
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OK here is where I'm at, I have 2 operations coming up . I got the one operation pushed back until June 21th at 8 am in the morning but have not heard back yet if I can get the other pushed back as well , so once I know forsure I will let you know if I can make it , I really want to come but I'm kind of at when the surgeon can do his magic
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Hey Moparman, are you an Allis guy? I've got 7 CAs here now.
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I'm not a saw racer but I do know a few.
Been thinking hard about it if the Japanese will let me off work.
Mike
Me either. But I think this is the same gtg I first meet you at a few years ago 08 09 or 10. Even though my memory about the whole gtg's is vague. :-[
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I'm not a saw racer but I do know a few.
Been thinking hard about it if the Japanese will let me off work.
Mike
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Mike rms61moparman are you coming to this gtg?
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So, are we going to have a 65cc (4 cube) class? I raced at a couple places last year that had a 4.5 cube class also. Hint hint. ;)
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I'm going to get both a new semi and a new chisel and if nothing else test them out like we talked about . If there's like a foot of cant left and somebody can take a vid and time them that's all we need .Stocker on this .
Now providing the super bee behaves itself with the "right " chain ;) it will hang tough with the average 3 cuber .It wouldn't stand much of a chance I don't think against a hot runner though .
What the hey it's all in fun any way .If nothing else it will show what a bumble bee can be made to do win,loose or draw . ;D
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Thats another class super bee's that has been getting lost in the shuffle. Probably going to have to combine the 2 to get a few saws to run in the 0-40cc class, even though it isnt fair to the top handle saws.
Heck all I got is a 33cc poulan and 40cc solo top handle that a stock 200T will eat alive. :P
IF I even make some cuts all I have is stock saws and work chains now. Except for 45cc and 49cc 3ci class, work chains isnt going to do them any good though.
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I'll bring the super bee .I don't have a 3 cuber any way .
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Working on a 2 cube saw, a Domar 351 34.7cc's.
Naw none of those will be there. Everyone has lost interest in the 2ci class it seems.
By the way I have a 25' roll of Oregon .325 LG. Tell your builder and chain maker to come get it. ;) ;D You would have thought he knew to use 325 LG for 325 racechain :D
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Sure. I'll chip in.
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Bill called the other night and we had a good ole BS session.
What do you guys think of a catered in food at $5 to $7 a head depending how many show up.
Also we need to help with cant purchase etc when the hat is passed.
I know my last GTG I had around $500 in food and cants and It's hard for just 1 guy to eat all that cost as I did last time.
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Looks like a 421 fits those 351 as a bolt on 8). I have never even ran either stock, what are they like? They show PHO weight being more then the 45cc OE345 :o.
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No suprise that a Redmax 3800 was at the top of that class. I may be outguned all ready!
Working on a 2 cube saw, a Domar 351 34.7cc's
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I'm planning on attending the GTG.
Got a new saw for the 40cc and under class.
The ported redmax 3800 and the ported strato ryobi redmax 400 were the top 2 last GTG.
Watcha you running now?
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I'm planning on attending the GTG.
Got a new saw for the 40cc and under class.
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Kevin I watched that vid of timed cuts and I saw some form that could stand to be reformed. Amazing how body stance has everything to do with how well someone can maintain control over the saw.
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Tell me about it, WINTER gtg = ::) ::) woke up to 0F and got to a high of 6F that day.
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Kevin the reason only 20-30 showed up was because that was the number willing to freeze their ars off hehehehe. Hopefully with god weather the numbers will rise.
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Ed I'm about 35mi do south of Columbus. From the north either 77 on the east or 75 on the west about sameo. Either way its 3.5hrs to Amanda.
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so it will be closer for me to go by Detroit or figure out how to get across this little lake besides me ;D
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The 3 I was at usually had 20-30 people. I can only find 2010 video right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD7z1Bjm7l4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC5P0FXJ10c
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About 7 hours according to map quest
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how far from Buffalo is it , and how many guys do you think are going to show up ?
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Only alky I know of now is Ed and the other guys that cant make the trip.
There is a bunch of gas racesaws out there now too. You can tell those right off, just pop a cover and see a 066 carb or HL on a 346 or 365 ;).
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I would to see some alkys show because that might make some more people come if for nothing but to see some fast saws run.
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Thats what they did at Medina county fair Bill, set up race classes at the fair. See what was there and then make final say on saw classes.
I say just run gas and final say at gtg.
If alky and pipe saws show run them too just keep times separated.
That sounds like a plan to me. ;)
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Thats what they did at Medina county fair Bill, set up race classes at the fair. See what was there and then make final say on saw classes.
I say just run gas and final say at gtg.
If alky and pipe saws show run them too just keep times separated.
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You think some of this could be sorted out after we see who actually shows and what saws want to race. Kevin you probably have a better feel for what might come from the other sites.
If some guys want to do a build off I like that but I won't be able to provide the saws, sorry.
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You know you were talking about guys running the 372 on the 365 and 7900 on the 6400. Same can be said for the guys with 281 with 288 tops and 7900 with 84cc BB tops etc.
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Kevin , its just like the old saying goes , Donot bring a stick to a gun fight so this is why I'm asking , if everything is woodsported that is great and I like that idea as it makes more fun for everyone
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Ed I just read Bill said run what you brung for this year. We can run them all together or break them up to alky and gas. Dont matter it is all for fun.
Ed you would be the only guy left coming that I know of that would have alky now.
Lets throw this out there.
muffler gas any mixture
0-40cc
0-51cc or 49cc 3ci
0-60cc or 65cc 4ci
0-81cc or 80cc
0-100cc
100+
Piped and alky saws can run in class but wont get credit for beating the class. I know my 5000 was 30% faster in 1 cut times with pipe and faster by a couple tenths on muffler run on alky/nitro.
Also we have always allowed smaller cc to run in bigger cc classes. So a 066 can run in 0-100 and then 100+
, 346 run in 0-51cc and then 0-60cc etc. Not all guys got saws for all classes and sometimes I just liked to run my smaller saws against my bigger saws to see.
I dont have saws anymore so it dont matter to me what you guys decide. I only have 2 3ci works saws left ported, 45cc 346 and redmax 5000.
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Kevin I'm just asking cause you should know if there is a way to break the rules most chainsaw guys know how to do it , are these muffler saws or can you run a pipe in these classes and 40 cc or bigger , so by the sounds of it these are pretty much full racesaws just not on alcohol,
Only 1 racesaw have ever been run at Bill's, only mine a Partner 5000 on gas no head.
At Bill's it has always been just WORK saws. Pipes (like jeepers 346 piped) ran with the muffler saws but was not counted for class. There never is enough piped saws to have classes here.
Bill's place is woods ported work saws on any gas ****tail people run. Seen it all there and the guys running the nitro, nitropane and exotic high end race gasses you still have to flush, usually had their saws tuned wrong so it didnt matter anyway and got beat by just 93 octane pump gas.
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Bill , 2 cuts is pretty safe and easier on wood than 3 cuts but its your sand box so we do what you want and when we get closer to the show just let us know what you need money for the cants , I have put alot of GTGs together and know about the wood . I kind of think we need some kind of limits on what we bring cause if not it will be piped alcohol saws all the way and that is nice to see but not very easy to compare saws with .
Are you going to have any kind of a saw build for your GTG, I know I would be up for something like a 562 build off as that is the way pretty much everything now is going so might as well figure it out but I would think keep this a worksaw so more people could join in
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Kevin I by all means hope you can make it. I put that date out there on a whim. I'm still flexible and want to make this a rally good GTG. Feel free to act as my agent on other sites to promote it.
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Hey guys bring it all. I want to see fast saws and I don't care what your burnin and or piped. Like Kevin said its a run what ya brung. This is mostly for fun and we can always break down classes differently depending on what shows. I'm for the 2 cut since alot people probably don't practice all that much. 2 cut may make abetter show for the most of us. Now if some people come that race alot and what to do their three cut class hey thats good to.
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Kevin I'm just asking cause you should know if there is a way to break the rules most chainsaw guys know how to do it , are these muffler saws or can you run a pipe in these classes and 40 cc or bigger , so by the sounds of it these are pretty much full racesaws just not on alcohol,
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Just so you know Bill 2 more racers from another site with fast saws cant make that date either. They said to pass on to have fun and maybe next time.
It would mean back to back weekend very long drives to Webster then to GTG.
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Ed I'm going to let Bill make that decision being it is his gtg. There is no need to be running cheater saws and I know what you are getting at. ;)
The BB361 got sold after that GTG, it couldnt beat the 56.5cc 357's me and Bill had. :D
At my gtg's it was run what you brung gas saws with any mixtures. IF someone thought you was running a cheater saw they could ask for a bore and stroke check. Ours was friendly and everyone knew what most of our saws were.
Somewhere in 1st page was a rough class break down of his 2010 gtg classes.
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just so I know your rules , what are they and what cc per class, what fuel? so I know what to bring , the 0-65 cc class sure can open up a can of worms as then you got 365's, 6400's and saws like that , does any one check to see if they are running the proper jug on these saws , In my small mind just keep it at 60cc and let the 361 big bores run any ways cause the big bore does not make any more power than what can come from the OEM stuff , just saying thats all
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Det to GTG location looks like another 240 mi, 4 hours 11 mins I-75 to US-23
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just wondering , how many hours from Buffalo or Detroit to this place, I'm about 2 hours from Buffalo and 3 hours from Detroit
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yes that spot will work,
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Kevin , maybe check with wkpoor to see if its ok to post this on my forum to let more people know
Done I know Bill wont mind and had gave me ok to post other places, he is good people. I just figured it was to far for you Canucks so I didnt post there earlier.
Ed see if I put it in right area.
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Kevin , maybe check with wkpoor to see if its ok to post this on my forum to let more people know
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I plan on coming believe me on that one , maybe see if I can talk the GreatPlayingWithHisWood to come as well , the only thing that might screw stuff up is my parents 50th wedding party but I think its going to be in May , well that is when its suppose to be ,
what are the rules and what are the classes , I like 2 cuts alot better than 1 cut
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That date should work for me but I will check but as of now I know nothing going on that day ,
Now if you are coming down too I might just ask her to go out and celebrate on the 1st instead. You know that might be a good idea anyways. Hmmmmmmm
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That date should work for me but I will check but as of now I know nothing going on that day ,
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Bring her along Kevin. You won't let a little thing like an aniversery stop a GTG would ya?
LOL your real funny LOL ;) at that rate I wouldnt see another 17 asking something like that. You have to remember I have raced at county fairs, street fairs, all kinds of festivals in state and out of state and not once has that made her anymore interested in watching chainsaw cut wood. :D :D
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Bring her along Kevin. You won't let a little thing like an aniversery stop a GTG would ya?
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Might not be good for me :o. 17 years of why :P.
But dont let that stop you or reason to change the date OK. I have been to plenty of them. No biggie here.
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OK I'm going to through out a date and see where it goes. June 2nd. Hope that works for most people. We can still change it if the masses see a better date.
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From CompetitionSaws
Has there been a date set? I would like to go but i have to put in to be off as soon as i can. I am hoping around the april 14 ;D lol
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I wasn't at the last one but time before they got to cutting the cants a little too early on .Fact we ran the 80 cc in 10 by's I think because they cut up all the 8 by 8's prematurely .No big deal I guess ,stuff happens . :)
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Got a call in today to a local guy to see about cutting them. Used the Amish last time. Since I have plenty of time I might be able to source my own logs and have them milled local. I do have mills right down the road a few miles. So lots of options local. I was thinking 2 cuts like you said unless this gets more serious. I would like to have at least 6ea of both sizes.
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Bill are you going to do 2 cuts for all classed this year? That would be 4" of wood per saw run. Well for most of us it would be, some take 6" per cookie. :D
Depending how big of a turn out you have. I used to do 3 cuts and get 4-6 8 and 4-5 10 . You wont need that much IMO.
The last cants I bought were $25 for 8x8x8' and in the $40 range for 10x10x8' I use Rick Hawkins lumber and he is southeast of me about a hour and half. So he should be about 30mins to 45mins NE of you. He and his family are racers so he will know what kind of cants you will want.
I would guess depending on turn out. up to 3 8x8 4 classes and 2 10x10 3 classes.
Just take and lay them on a tarp and then wrap or cover them with a tarp and out of the sun.
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Ha cants .I remember one of the first GTG's I went to was early in the fall .Late cut cotton wood just full of water . Those danged cants were as heavy as oak .About like cutting into a big sponge ,water just flew .
I filed a couple race chains and all I had soft to test them in was half cry tulip poplar ,ooh wee cut like a million bucks .Proud as peafowl so off I went .In that water logged cotton wood I think they might have done better had I put them on backwards . :D
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If I remember right I want to wait till about 2wks before the race to have the cants milled so they are still soft. Maybe even closer like a week. And then keep them covered or our of the sun so they stay true. Or do they just keep them wet. As we get closer I'll need some guidance as to how many will be needed.
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It would depend on the time. We got winnfield the last of april and webster the last of may. I would like to meet some other people ;)
You have some racers from down south that might car pool up too.
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I just will have to check on the date of Malbank, Cecil's should be the second weekend in June but nothing is forsure on that yet
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Cecils show is the second or third weekend in June , I thought..
Marlbank will either be the second or third weekend in May if they stay the same
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I'm not sure whats going on the first weekend in June ? any body else know of anything ?
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Thats what I wanted to hear EHP. Helps me make a decision. I'm planning this well ahead so there is plenty of room to maneuver on the date. Do you have a suggestion for a good turnout?
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Your long weekend in May is the same time as Webster so not many racers are going to show up cause they will be down there and the weekend before that is our long weekend and I think there is a race up here
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Does this mean I have to finish that old geardrive Sears so I can collect my case of Budweiser ? :D
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Thanks Kevin. The ate is still pending the masses. A lot of stuff goes on Memorial day weekend that people make plans for. Doesn't mean this can't be one of them. Just want to make sure I get a date hats works for most. BTW Kevin you remember I have a nice race stand. Would like to get some people to show with fast saws hehehehee.
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have you set a date yet, I see late May but can you say what weekend
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Bill there is guys on CompetitionSaws and Racesaws that are being updated from your post here. Few are talking of car pooling.
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if its late enough in the year I would be up for a GTG , just early in the spring I have zero time trying to get everything ready for the start of the racing season and with STS series being early again this year it evens makes it a bit tougher to have everything ready
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I haven't been to all of them but as I recall only at TT's and at Pa. did we ever run just a top handle class .First shot was at TT's there were only a few of us then a lot of others came on board as time progressed .They got faster too .
Ha it's about the only class I do any good at . ;D
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In the past it was
0-40 or so and top handles had run in same class at his
0-60 and went to 0-65cc 2010 to let a BB361 in and might need to to let 365's in now. Bill's call.
0-80 or 81
0-100
unlimited
I would have a bumble bee class for top handles only. Then -0-40 or 42cc for rear handles. 3.1ci 4ci 5ci 6ci unlimited if it were me. Like I said Bill's call.
Would be nice to have enough wood in 8x8 to do 2 cuts this year in the smallest classes up to the 51cc. 2010 up to 51cc was all 1 cut and then 4ci and up was 2 cuts.
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Any ideas on what classes we will be racing?
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Hello guys, I decided to up the ante this year and see if a guy at work can come roast a pig for the meal. No guarantees as its just in the planning stages. Also as before I will have cants milled both 8" and 10".
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Sounds good. I may try to go.
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It's pretty much the center of the state so it's not a bad drive from northern KY ,Indiana,Pa etc .
Geeze Kevin and I went to south Indiana once in a beat up Ranger with a bad tranny and enough saws to make us look like a traveling flea market .
More towards spring woud certainly be better than mid winter especially Ohio winter where the weather can change in half a day .Nice sunny morning then azz deep in snow by 6 PM .Humbug .
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Sounds good
Amanda is South of Columbus between Circleville and Lancastor
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Talked to Bill wkpoor last night on the phone and he gave the OK to pass his GTG info out to those interested.
((( I've got the bug to hold another GTG only this time in warmer weather. So I'm posting for a show of hands for anyone interested in a late May date. Somewhere near Memorial day was my thoughts. It will be pretty much like my others with 8x8 and 10x10 inch racing cants and a variety of rounds to cut on. 1 Day event with gathering about 9AM, general cutting and bs, lunch about noonish, and racing in the afternoon. ))) Amanda, OH
I have been to his last 3 GTG's and Bill puts on a good one. Usually hotstart over wood and 1 cut smaller saws to 2c uts depending on amount of wood.
I plan on going and told him I would run the racing portion for him if he liked.
Just putting in the tentative date in heading and post for you Bill. June 2