Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Poulan => Topic started by: Cut4fun on June 28, 2012, 03:53:01 pm
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So what was the main differences in these Poulans?
Just trying to learn more about these older ones. Dont worry I'm not buying or bidding on any. ;) Heck I already passed on a 5200 builder.
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5200 http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/c8b4625939cf439e88256bfa0018f9ce?OpenDocument
5400 http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/c0262775c1ae614188256bfc00115402?OpenDocument
8500 http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/871af96e8b3df32088256bfc0013440c?OpenDocument
Thats all I know about them :D :D :D except for that 5200 I ran at the Poulan gtg was one strong runner in the cut. Was that yours Mike?
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I don't have a Poulan 5200!
I have a Craftsman 5.2 (5200 in red and black) and a Dayton but no green ones.
They evolved a bunch during their production run.
The first ones didn't have the rib down the front of the case.
They got the rib and then the case was elongated and the on/off switch moved.
Colors went from solid green to green with an olive drab top and then to a green body with black accents.
The case changed too but I'm not sure when.
Mike
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The one I ran may have been orange. I was just told 5200.
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I call them all 5200s because that is what's inside.
Were you there for the timed cuts between Marks 5200 and Greggs 385?
It was nip and tuck with no definite winner.
Not bad for 35 year old technology.
Mike
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I dont remember those being timed. But I did watch the 385 and BB7900/8500 being timed in a big stick.
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As per Acres's site they were reed valved , is that correct ?
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As per Acres's site they were reed valved , is that correct ?
Yes they were and with lots of potential for serious modifications.
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Whats up with the color scheme on this Dayton poulan 5200?
This one was sold yesterday on feebay in KY on a BIN.
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I've never seen anything like that in all my Poulan collecting.
If someone gave the asking price for that hunk of cobbled up junk they were robbed!
I think I need to start selling a few of my big boys and pocketing the change.
It makes me wonder what some would give for my slick little 8500 bowsaw!
Mike
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Don't bother going to Grainger's (Dayton is a Grainger's brand) to buy anything anymore. They have gone up four prices on everything.
There's a Grainger's in Mansfield, OH on National Pkwy.
The Dayton chainsaws came from Grainger but now they have Husky, Makita, ISC, and Tanaka brands of chainsaws whereas they used to sell relabeled Poulans.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/Chain-Saw-6UET0?cm_sp=IO-_-IDP-_-BTM_BTB05209020&cm_vc=IDPBBZ2
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I don't have a Poulan 5200!
I have a Craftsman 5.2 (5200 in red and black) and a Dayton but no green ones.
They evolved a bunch during their production run.
The first ones didn't have the rib down the front of the case.
They got the rib and then the case was elongated and the on/off switch moved.
Colors went from solid green to green with an olive drab top and then to a green body with black accents.
The case changed too but I'm not sure when.
Mike
Here are a couple pics to illistrate what Mike was refering to. About the ribbed front case. My 5200 must be an early one. Has the smooth front on crank case. My 4200 has the strengthened ribbed case. But yet they both have the one screw top cover, with the 3 posts. They changed that somewhere along the line also, to three screws in stead of the posts.
5200 smooth case
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/Gregg500/SeansGTG003.jpg)
4200 with ribbed case
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/Gregg500/4200005-1.jpg)
Gregg,
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Thanks Gregg for pics. I always wondered about the ribbed cases you guys referred to.
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From the pics i've seen of the cylinder the reed valve is in the crankcase . Nobody have a couple pics of the case / carb on these ? Have another question also , were they all open port ?
Thanks in advance
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I snagged a 5200 off the bay a couple days ago, so I will be needing some advice when putting it back in working order. Wish me luck!
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There was a 5200 runner I was texting to get for another member for $150. Little cheaper then the last one I seen on bay go for $201 shipped. Guy had some local get it while we was texting back forth. No biggie.
This bay one ;) bay one looks like it may need rear handle fixed.
You are looking at Poulan Countervibe 5200 for restore.
This saw has spark and 145# of compression.
It fired over when i put gas in the cylinder , but would not stay running.
Has full wrap handle.
Looks like a 24 inch bar and chain.In pretty good shape.Chain about 50%
Recoil pulls hard. Top cover has some damage on the side ( see pic).
Does not affect the operation of the saw.Some pitting on bottom. Tried to get in pic.
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I remember seeing that also.
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Yep, thats on its way home to me!
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So on the subject of 5200's and that particular line of Poulan saws. What is it about them that gives them the torque that they have. I was looking at the bore and stroke and they do seem to have a decent stroke to them at 39.69mm. Some of the newer saws are only around 37 to 38mm for the stroke. So is it then the stroke in combination with it being a reed valve engine that allows it to take in a higher volume of fuel mixture that makes these saws run so good. What do you guys think.
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Stroke and reeds is what I think give them the torque, plus maybe the way oem porting was done.
I would say Al or 660mag or others would know more on these older reeds and how they work. I try and stay as far away from them as I can. Just not my cup of tea, so to speak.
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Stroke and reeds is what I think give them the torque, plus maybe the way oem porting was done.
I would say Al or 660mag or others would know more on these older reeds and how they work. I try and stay as far away from them as I can. Just not my cup of tea, so to speak.
A certain eccentric fellow out in Northern Ca would sure appreciate it if you'd steer any of those reed valve 4200-8500 series Poulans that you come accoss towards him. Those old reed valve monsters certainly are my cup of tea!:D
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I seem to recall the bars for the 5200/8500 and the 5400 won't interchange without a "S" adapter--Is there a difference in the bar stud size between the 5200/8500 and the 5400? It's my understanding the 5400 came with larger diamer studs than the earlier 5200, but on the 8500 Poulan went back to the same size used on the 5200. Or am I totally ????
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I seem to recall the bars for the 5200/8500 and the 5400 won't interchange without a "S" adapter--Is there a difference in the bar stud size between the 5200/8500 and the 5400? It's my understanding the 5400 came with larger diamer studs than the earlier 5200, but on the 8500 Poulan went back to the same size used on the 5200. Or am I totally ????
The 4200/5200 saws all have 5/16" studs. Poulan increased the stud size from 5/16" to 3/8" during the 4400/4900/5400 production run (meaning earlier 4400/4900/5400 saws have 5/16" studs, while later 4400/4900/5400 saws have 3/8" studs). The IPL's for these models show both sizes of studs and nuts.
The 6900/7700/8500 saws only had the larger 3/8" studs (they never went back to 5/16" studs). The 5/16" stud saws can use Oregon D176 mount bars (and the old Homelite and Poulan 5/16" slot bars) without 'S' clips, plus 3/8" slot Windsor UXL and Oregon D096/196 Homelite XL mount bars with 'S' clips. The 3/8" stud saws can only use the UXL/D096/D196 bars.
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Aaron, thanks for the explanation.
So the bar stud size variances also depend on when the particular model was made, not just which model. No wonder finding the correct bar mount can get somewhat complicated. I've read numerous explanations over at AS, maybe it's time to put together a chart. I'm pretty sure that I've downloaded a Poulan bar chart, but haven't spent a lot of time studying it.
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Just found a old post from poulan GTG.
I think more then a few were surprised with the yellow echo 8000 yesterday with 24" full comp full chisel chain buried in hardwoods. Blsnelling even took it with him to test against a Poulan 5200 85cc , Pioneer P60 98cc and he came back saying the JD 800 beat them both pushing hard and using normal bucking in hardwood testing.
That surprised me too.
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Keep in mind that Brad also said at one point than his P-60 was MUCH stronger/faster than a 112cc Homelite 750 or any stock 123cc McCulloch CP/SP125 in big wood. By extension.............that means that the JD800/Echo CS8000 is stronger/faster than those beasts (since it's stronger/faster than the P-60 and the 5200 according to him). Sorry.................no sale..... ::)
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Keep in mind that Brad also said at one point than his P-60 was MUCH stronger/faster than a 112cc Homelite 750 or any stock 123cc McCulloch CP/SP125 in big wood. By extension.............that means that the JD800/Echo CS8000 is stronger/faster than those beasts (since it's stronger/faster than the P-60 and the 5200 according to him). Sorry.................no sale..... ::)
I didnt test so I cant say and didnt watch. But this 800V runs pretty darn good. ;) It's not a grocery getter echo 8000. ;D
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/201T/psi800338ship008.jpg)
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That Echo's been 'warmed over'? Well that makes it easier to understand how it could possibly beat a 5200 or P-60. Those are both strong saws.
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That Echo's been 'warmed over'? Well that makes it easier to understand how it could possibly beat a 5200 or P-60. Those are both strong saws.
Tightened squish and muffler modded. Stock porting raised back up and cleaned up.
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That Echo's been 'warmed over'? Well that makes it easier to understand how it could possibly beat a 5200 or P-60. Those are both strong saws.
Tightened squish and muffler modded. Stock porting raised back up and cleaned up.
That the 8000 that's in your classifieds ad? Does it have a comp release? I may know somebody who'd be interested in it. They're insisting on a comp release however. They won't go near my non-decomp 288XP.:D
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Yep and Nope. It sure could use one. Thats why I put the 460 rescue handle on it. :o
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Yep and Nope. It sure could use one. Thats why I put the 460 rescue handle on it. :o
I figured. Won't work for him unfortunately.
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Longer stroke always increases torque, no matter what type of egine your talking about. It also tends to limit rpm and high rpm output. Over square motors (larger bore then stroke) are the opposite. They tend to like high rpm and put power out better up there.
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Come across a poulan 5200. Just a non-runner right now.
Guy wants me to make a offer plus shipping to me. Their not worth much to me.
What would you say a fair price is on a 5200 non runner suppose to be new p and p and c looks like new I guess? Recoil unwound so cant tell much more. Bent full wrap I think.
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If it were me and I went and looked at that saw, I would not go over 100.00. Which means if you can get it for less then by all means go for it. To many unknowns about it right now and it does look well used.
Come across a poulan 5200. Just a non-runner right now.
Guy wants me to make a offer plus shipping to me. Their not worth much to me.
What would you say a fair price is on a 5200 non runner suppose to be new p and p and c looks like new I guess? Recoil unwound so cant tell much more. Bent full wrap I think.
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I was thinking $100 max plus shipping. But I dont think I could even offer that much.
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That doesn't seem like a bad deal at $100. Any more than that is too much to me. I want one to have one good poulan for the collection to go with my modern work saws just to get out and run from time to time.
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Just saving these pics another way so they dont get lost. Also embedded on page 1.
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Poulan 5200 5400 4900 4200 4400 air filter as many as you can afford NOS new
1 2 3 5 9 10 whatever
https://www.ebay.com/itm/POULAN-530010247-air-filter-flocked-4200-4400-4900-5200-5400/202206162568?hash=item2f146d2e88:g:EusAAOSw42dZF5ih
https://www.ebay.com/itm/POULAN-530010247-air-filter-flocked-4200-4400-4900-5200-5400-quantity-2/202206166779?hash=item2f146d3efb:g:EusAAOSw42dZF5ih
https://www.ebay.com/itm/POULAN-530010247-air-filter-flocked-quantity-10-4200-4400-4900-5200-5400/202061132372?hash=item2f0bc83254:g:XPcAAOSwPh5ZIOTr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/POULAN-530010247-air-filter-flocked-4200-4400-4900-5200-5400-quantity-3/202206167373?hash=item2f146d414d:g:EusAAOSw42dZF5ih
https://www.ebay.com/itm/POULAN-530010247-air-filter-flocked-4200-4400-4900-5200-5400-quantity-3/202206167373?hash=item2f146d414d:g:EusAAOSw42dZF5ih
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Willard posted this on the CR-G and felt it needed saved here.
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Thanks Kevin, it's hard to believe that article about Dale Hartill and his 5200 is already 35 years old.
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Thanks Kevin, it's hard to believe that article about Dale Hartill and his 5200 is already 35 years old.
Like that 8500 pic too.
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I went ahead and picked up this NOS cylinder. Just in case someone might need it down the road.
Not my pics. Ones shown to me today.
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Will have to wait till in hand to see if 52 54 or a 85.
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Will have to wait till in hand to see if 52 54 or a 85.
2 people have told me SOLD on the poulan 85cc cylinder, once in my hands already.
Still like to figure out if 85 or 52 54 once here. I been told how to tell. The guy that bought my 8500 told me the differences.
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Looking at the ipls, 12092 is listed as the 5400, 8500 and 8510mp saws . The 5200,6900 and 7700 have different numbers
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I have found IPL's that has the same # for 52 54 and 85. But there is a tell tell on the fins for a 85. So I need to wait to see it in hand.
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Just read this too. = ( 5200 5400 cylinder will not fit a 8500 ) and I think that is why the rear 3 fins on 8500 is different in that one area. To clear the intake side.
They will work once you grind on the 3 fins some.
I believe this is a poulan 8500 cylinder and fins I am talking about. Just a pic from me researching.
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Another 8500 int side pic just sent me. Still need 5200 or 5400
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poulan 4200 cylinder
4200 intake side of cylinder
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poulan 5400 cylinder and poulan 8500 cylinder.
To me appears the 85 fins are angled shorter.
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The nos poulan 8500 cylinder I showed is spoke for even though not in my hands yet. Hope dang usps dont lose this one.
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Guy in my crg asking for info on these. I knew what they were. Sticker number is wrong on big one.
Trying to get him to measure bore and see if I can buy it too.
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poulan 5400 cylinder on left and poulan 8500 cylinder on right.
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Do the transfer ports look bigger on the 5400. Not sure from the photo.
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Do the transfer ports look bigger on the 5400. Not sure from the photo.
Not my pics. Just some I have requested for my search on their differences.
I had thought the 85 looked bigger trans when I first seen them. But betting same. Just a guess.
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Will be measuring bore later to make sure it is a NOS poulan 8500 cylinder bore.
Is spoke for by several folks already so will start at the top. Pretty sure #1 said mark SOLD ;)
Many thanks to the person that sold it to me. Thinking this one will fit the whole series. The 52 54 have to be trimmed up and grind on to make work on a 85. Just what I have found researching them.
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With my cheap calibers I get 2.058 which tells me 85cc. Mikes site shows 2.066 85cc. 77cc was under 2 at 1.957
Looks like the chance paid off for someone.
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Cant recall where it was at now. But someone had ask me about full wraps for the older cv big saws. If your here send me PM.
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Pic of 3 NOS poulan full wrap 5200 5400 8500 handle
My question being I dont know these well. I know the 5400 half was like this rubber cover and the 8500 was foam cover deal.
So do these full wraps fit all of the gen 1 2 3 series of the saws?
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Another nice pic of Dale and a piped poulan 5200 racesaw back in the day with story. Posted by Willard.
Love that shirt je is wearing. 8)
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The Beaird-Poulan 5200 was way ahead of its time when introduced in 1975. Then to a 5400 in 1981.
Finally becoming the Poulan-Weedeater 8500 in 1984 with very few upgrades.
Not much happened in the 5 years as Electrolux Poulan Pro starting in 1988 with the 655 as their top pro model .
My 71 year old brother Dennis still has his 8500 with pipe and WB carb. He doesn't post on the internet but I might get some pics from him.
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Kevin, I just talked to my brother Dennis he says he'll send me pics of his 8500. He "may" also join here and post a bit. He says he can sell you the 8500 seeing he knows who you are....
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Kevin, I just talked to my brother Dennis he says he'll send me pics of his 8500. He "may" also join here and post a bit. He says he can sell you the 8500 seeing he knows who you are....
Sent a email to talk etc.
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Local guy to me wants $75 for this poulan 5200
What you see in pic
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Poulan 5200 chain brake clutch cover on it. Posted on FB-G
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Was suppose to pick this full wrap poulan 5200 up. But looks like it was sold to another even after telling seller I will take it. No biggie.
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He probably got more money from another buyer.
Poulan 5200 gasket. Make your own gaskets.
pdf template attached. Print it at 100%