Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Partner => Topic started by: Cut4fun on February 25, 2011, 03:13:46 pm
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I have 2 projects I have been working on, both 550. I am wanting to put a P70 or Partner 7000 topend on one of the 550's to make a 70cc 7000.
Anyone know the differences in the p70 and 7000 top ends?
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what i have been reading, there was a good power increase with the 7000 plus. but the p70 runs good to. very good in its time. i wonder how close the p55 and the 550 are? i have also read that a k650 cut off saw cylinder will bolt on a p55 crankcase. making that a 71cc saw & 4.8hp. i think that may be an option also. ;)
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what i have been reading, there was a good power increase with the 7000 plus. but the p70 runs good to. very good in its time. i wonder how close the p55 and the 550 are? i have also read that a k650 cut off saw cylinder will bolt on a p55 crankcase. making that a 71cc saw & 4.8hp. i think that may be an option also. ;)
At least the bruchure I have (in Swedish) say there was a good power increase (to 4.8hp) with the 7000 plus, over the original 7000. Sadly, I don't know any details, as to what caused the difference.
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what i have been reading, there was a good power increase with the 7000 plus. but the p70 runs good to. very good in its time. i wonder how close the p55 and the 550 are? i have also read that a k650 cut off saw cylinder will bolt on a p55 crankcase. making that a 71cc saw & 4.8hp. i think that may be an option also. ;)
At least the bruchure I have (in Swedish) say there was a good power increase (to 4.8hp) with the 7000 plus, over the original 7000. Sadly, I don't know any details, as to what caused the difference.
i got that info from you. glad you can join us! ;) :)
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It would be nice if people used the same user name on all sites, so I could recognize them! ;)
Anyway, I got some "invitations" to this site, and it looks really promising! Less BS, and more focus on saw topics than the other sites I am on! ;D
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i don't post much on other sites. i mostly just read . and yes this site is about saws. not drama. ;)
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I just closed up one of the 550 to get it off the bench. I forgot to get a carb kit and it is going to need one.
Anyone off hand know what carb was on the Partner 550? Just being lazy and not wanting to run out to barn.
Thanks.
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Look here (http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/3061480b46d6735a88256c490065ce33?OpenDocument).
I am a bit surprised that it is a Walbro.....
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Pulled the carb apart today. Dont seem like the diaphragm is to stiff.
But I think the carb governor is messing with me. Going to take a bb and block it off and see what happens before carb kit shows up.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Partner550/550028super001.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Partner550/550028super002.jpg)
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i assume that is the fuel cap in the clutch cover. but i dont see the oil cap. ???
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Sorry hit your post Torx instead of reply. Working 12 days in a row right now, tired. Getting it while the OT is there, 5 months now.
Yes rear cap is fuel cap, oil cap is metal and under clutch cover toward the front where chain catcher would be.
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One little BB between the gov is all it took to stop the carb from flooding it out in the cut.
I took a pic with cell phone of the oil cap, but having :-X troubles getting it to my pics at the moment.
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i assume that is the fuel cap in the clutch cover. but i dont see the oil cap. ???
Here you go oil cap on 550
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ok. I was wondering whether you had to remove the clutch cover to add oil or not. Guess that answered my question.
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i assume that is the fuel cap in the clutch cover. but i dont see the oil cap. ???
Here you go oil cap on 550
Not a great design featue, imo.... ???
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Anyone know anything about these ? I have one that needs a brake handle (metal) & some A/V mounts.
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I had two, ended up selling the best one to a buddy who needed a saw.
Not a high reving saw as the stroke is 36mm, but they seem run great. Large squish, if I recall over .060"
Had to replace crank seals on all the S65 and S55 saws I had.
The front AV springs seem to be a little sloppy on the S65 and I fixed one of the top rubber AV mounts using a hockey puck and hole saw.
If I find pics I will post.
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Nice sales literature reading and pics on Partner 550 650 with 550 650 IPL http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Partner%20CS%20550%20and%20CS%20650.pdf
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I'm going to replace the seals on my partner S-55, any pointers before I start.
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So does the 550 use the same seals as the 55 65? Just wondering for down the road.
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Well the 550 didnt pass it's test session, out on loan. 2 straight days of cutting firewood and she is racing at idle. I checked intake gaskets on both sides today, along with checking cyl (didnt pull off ) and afraid it might be crank seals (not sure yet though).
Sent the poulan 3450 out for this weekend and wanted him to tell me what he thought compared to the 550 when done. He really liked the 550 in the cut.
Where are you guys getting crank seals for these, in case I need to go down that road? Also does this saw have a pressed on worm gear? I cant remember off hand :-[.
Yep, found my answer to worm gear in partner 7000 plus IPL. http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Partner%207000+.pdf
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Well Jack's says my seals are shipped so I started taking the 550 down.
Ran into a weird problem, what looks to be a washer behind the clutch drum and between crankcase seems fused somehow to the crankshaft. I had to walk away from it after bending the washer up with pliers >:( and just put some penetrating oil on both sides to soak over night. Part number of the rascal is 505268303
Has anyone had this happen and if soaking dont work I guess I will be dremeling off.
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You have to use heat and pry bars and they will come off.
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The PB broke it loose enough to turn it on crank and by golly she is out of there in 4 pieces and the one on the parts saw dont look like its going to come off to be usable. :-X Off to find a good one.
As I type UPS dropped off the parts order. ;D
Ok anyone have a used good one on hand they would sale, part number 505268303 ?
The new one is under $6 but then the shipping is the same as a big order still. I dont have a list of parts to order since I already just ordered rings and gasket kits earlier. Maybe the parts saw one will break loose after soaking hopefully.
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I've got the one I saved off of my S-55 that I will send you when my order comes in which should be in about two weeks, as it was back ordered. The one off of my P-55 I used, as it was still good. good luck.
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I've got the one I saved off of my S-55 that I will send you when my order comes in which should be in about two weeks, as it was back ordered. The one off of my P-55 I used, as it was still good. good luck.
Let me see if I can get the one off my parts 550 or turn up one. If I dont in 2 weeks I will PM you, Thanks.
I even emailed mowers4u to see if they have a new one they can just stick on my current order I have with them. No word back yet.
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I've got my washers for my S-55 comming from Baileys.
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WASHERS!!! yah I order 4 of them but there backordered too!!! I order seals for my 325, seals for Partners, and washers, three weeks ago. Seems E-lux isn't shipping anything everyone says backordered. Tried everyone no ones seems to have this common stuff, even my local dealers outta seals for my 5000/325 and there the same as husky 55 ec.
I have resorted to installing the seals deeper so they seal better, and trimming the washer so at least the ring, seals the dust seal portion on the seal the flat washer part is not real important.
OH!!! check K650/700 cut off saw stores, I have one here and looked the same, part # match
Duane
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I got a 5000 gasket kit and seals setting right here. ;) You need to order that type of stuff from Jack's or Ordertree or OutdoorDistributors. JMO.
Anyone know off hand what the WOT out of wood max RPM is for 550? I try and stay rich by ear but still would like to know.
I got the washer cover thing off the parts saw 550. Bent it back to be usable and surfaced side and put the seals in good 550. Had a new clutch and drum on hand so I threw them at it too.
Was milling the 20" echo laminated bar for the 550 when the laminated on opposite side come apart grrr >:( . So I broke out a new 20" husky large mount re-drilled oiler holes and bar adjuster holes for 550 72dl chain.
The 550 passed all my small and big cuts and idling test (setting for 10 mins to 20mins) so it was onto the next step.
The PP365 had shown up this morning. I checked it over and compared it to the P550.
PP365 has 49mm bore 32mm stroke 60cc small carb and small intake. P550 44mm bore and a longer 36mm stroke 55cc big WJ carb and big plastic bolt on intake.
It was very noticeable the torque difference in the cut IMO. The 365 needs lighter hands to run it but still cuts good, just no pushing hard like you can on 550.
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Did the 5000 gasket set come with seals? I ordered one for a 325 and NO seals, the 5000 kits are all backorder too from everyone, haven't tried Jacks, others I have.
Last I knew the 550 WOT was 13,000, 9600 in cut but most do more than that. There built better than tanks but have Heavy parts inside but nothing will come apart. Some Partners have governers on carbs some don't. If you have a WJ I'd say 13,000+
Correction: earlier I stated the K series saws had same washer, Wrong!!! I checked mine different design better!!! no interchange.
Duane
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This 550 has WJ with a governor built into carb. I bypassed it though with a bb. ;)
My complete gasket kits came with seals in it. I've bought several over the years and they all did too. I'm down to 1 or 2 and I have a 490 to split to put crank bearings in. But I may never with that saw. Been stealing from it over time. There is no top end and other misc stuff missing now.
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OK what is the difference in the F55 compared to my Partner 550?
I see the Skil 1632 Partner 1632 all say they are a F55 farmer.
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First P70 I have seen woods ported. Looking good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuE_XUoG1NM
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Does anyone ever tried a k700 top end on one of those partner chainsaws? Im curious if it would be as powerful as a p70 or so.
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I have both ported and non ported P70 and 7000+, P70 has the T-port the 7000/and plus do not. Plus is harder to start and I find No difference in power. My best one is a low hour P70 with T-port ported, it pulls with anything out there today!
K650/700 cylinder has larger ports and a wider intake track, is the best but NOT THE OPEN PORT Chinese, can't quite get a BOG outta the two I put together????? might be a timing issue but K series flywheels wont fit chainsaw cases. lost interest in that combo decided to stick with P70's
Side note: my old small cooling fin 65cc Farmer ported (bridged intake/exguast) is just as fast if not faster than my ported P70's, I compared it many times!!!! has alot higher compression ratio and you feel it when you pull it over.
Duane
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First P70 I have seen woods ported. Looking good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuE_XUoG1NM
Hey......I know that guy.
I have a pile of 55s and 65s that I'm building a 4 cube out of. I'll be posting here on those builds.
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I believe I have run that partner.
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Yes you did. That's one saw I should have hung onto. But......you can't keep them all.
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I have both ported and non ported P70 and 7000+, P70 has the T-port the 7000/and plus do not. Plus is harder to start and I find No difference in power. My best one is a low hour P70 with T-port ported, it pulls with anything out there today!
K650/700 cylinder has larger ports and a wider intake track, is the best but NOT THE OPEN PORT Chinese, can't quite get a BOG outta the two I put together????? might be a timing issue but K series flywheels wont fit chainsaw cases. lost interest in that combo decided to stick with P70's
Side note: my old small cooling fin 65cc Farmer ported (bridged intake/exguast) is just as fast if not faster than my ported P70's, I compared it many times!!!! has alot higher compression ratio and you feel it when you pull it over.
Duane
Hmmmmm?? ???
When the P7000+ came out, they said there was a 15% power boost over the P7000, to 3.5 kW....
According to specs it wasn't 15%, but still over 10%, from 3.1 to 3.5 kW.
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Hey cut did you ever get an answer to this question I have an s65 and a farmer 55 possible a bothe been on the shelf a long time now but time to bring them back into service, so seasls may be an issue cheers
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I put seals in the 550, but dont recall if the same,
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The oil seals are the same for Partner S65, 550 and F55 - P/N 505 2757-15.
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The oil seals are the same for Partner S65, 550 and F55 - P/N 505 2757-15.
Sounds right, hard to imagine they would be different... ;)
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Got a Partner S65 bought new 1 owner coming in. Says over the phone runs great bucking, but stumbles felling.
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Not seals. He said he bought this saw new 32 years ago.
Down to 120psi, 1 carb intake bolt was loose and carb tuning is all I could find.
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I noticed when I was dumping fuel on this saw today. It seemed dyed dark. So I ask what ratio you running. He said the owners manual said 25:1.
I told him I only run 32:1 and would think he could run todays oils at 40:1 no problem.
I was digging on Acres site and it says this. FUEL OIL RATIO:50:1 with Partner Oil / otherwise 25:1
So did this saw back in 1980 say to use it at 50:1 and he just went with the 25:1 by misreading?
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I run 40:1 in mine with no problems.
I noticed most saw manufactures these days recommend 50:1 mix when using their brand of oil and 40:1 when using other 2 stroke oils.
I had also found a crack in the carb to cylinder adapter, but I assume you did pressure test as you mention that seals aren't the problem.
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I noticed when I was dumping fuel on this saw today. It seemed dyed dark. So I ask what ratio you running. He said the owners manual said 25:1.
I told him I only run 32:1 and would think he could run todays oils at 40:1 no problem.
I was digging on Acres site and it says this. FUEL OIL RATIO:50:1 with Partner Oil / otherwise 25:1
So did this saw back in 1980 say to use it at 50:1 and he just went with the 25:1 by misreading?
That really means 50:1 with any high quality mix oil, as you surely know!
I wouldn't hesitate to run 50:1 Aspen in it, for sure.
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Btw, the S65 and F65 were rated at a little less power than the earlier 65cc Pro Partners, like the R20 and R420 - 3.8 hp vs. 4.0 hp.
I believe the difference was caused by open vs. closed porting.....
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Any updates on picking a cylinder to upgrade a 550? It seems like there are a lot of the K650/700 cylinders out there, are there any closed port ones that are good? Also what other parts are compatible with the 550, the pioneer partner platform of saws I have no clue on. Thanks!
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Just learning on these as we go. So correct me if I get something wrong.
In my past post here I stated 550 was 44mm bore and 36mm stroke.
I found a used partner P65 P+C on feebay that says 48mm bore. Closed port.
I would swear from looking at pics of the aftermarket ones I am seeing both closed and open port ones offered in these here. PARTNER K650 K700 650 700 says 50mm.
partner p70 7000 50mm too?
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Partner 550 650 IPL again http://s30387.gridserver.com/partsDiagrams/Partner%20CS%20550%20and%20CS%20650.pdf
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Kevin, you got a pretty good eye for these, you'll have to point me to one of the closed port 50mm. I was hoping someone would chime in with one they picked up that was good or to stay away from.
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I know very little on these saws.
You wanting used oem 50mm or aftermarket 50mm.
That used 48mm closed port looked nice too and 4mm bigger bore then 44mm on it.
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Does not have to be new, seems like earlier in this thread a guy mentioned the k650 jug had bigger ports, I really no nothing on these. used 50mm would be good to, I agree, I am eyeing up that used 48mm, I believe he said that p65 jug was as fast as his 70? I need to go back & look into what all was said exactly, I prolly got some of it wrong. Just trying to find out if any of the aftermarket k650 are worth a hoot or not. Any input is appreciated!
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I know where a oem p70 and 7000 topend is. Look in the for sale thread.
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Just digging up other threads that might have info on this series of saws for you.
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/partner-s65/
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/partner-55cc-65cc-70cc-85cc-100cc/
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/7000-162/
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/will-a-cylinder-from-a-k650-fit-a-7000-plus-chainsaw/
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/some-old-partners-still-cut/
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/partner-f55-partner-1632/
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Just learning on these as we go. So correct me if I get something wrong.
In my past post here I stated 550 was 44mm bore and 36mm stroke.
I found a used partner P65 P+C on feebay that says 48mm bore. Closed port.
I would swear from looking at pics of the aftermarket ones I am seeing both closed and open port ones offered in these here. PARTNER K650 K700 650 700 says 50mm.
partner p70 7000 50mm too?
As far as I know they are, and 70.7cc (like a lot of other 70cc saws).
What I don't understand is the small difference in specified power output between the 65 (excluding the F and S open port ones) and 70cc saws (P70 and P7000) - and then the much larger one between the P7000 and the P7000+. ?
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To the member that took the 550 on trade. If you are going to get into this series of saws you might want to take Shep on this NOS crankshaft for $15 shipped. http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/partner-crankshaft-505-3008-60/
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Btw, the S65 and F65 were rated at a little less power than the earlier 65cc Pro Partners, like the R20 and R420 - 3.8 hp vs. 4.0 hp.
I believe the difference was caused by open vs. closed porting.....
I am wondering why this shows R16 chassis on the partner f65 instead of what you have above. I dont know the older R partners and barely the F and S etc http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/37310f5b39cba58688256afd004eac0f?OpenDocument
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There was a farmer f65 for $25 that supposedly ran last year but wouldnt start this year 25mins away. I just cant bring myself to drive to get it.
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Btw, the S65 and F65 were rated at a little less power than the earlier 65cc Pro Partners, like the R20 and R420 - 3.8 hp vs. 4.0 hp.
I believe the difference was caused by open vs. closed porting.....
I am wondering why this shows R16 chassis on the partner f65 instead of what you have above. I dont know the older R partners and barely the F and S etc http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/37310f5b39cba58688256afd004eac0f?OpenDocument
Simply because the 55-70cc Partner saws still were based on the R16 chassis (with or without AV) - the last generation being the P7000, 650 and 550.
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There was a farmer f65 for $25 that supposedly ran last year but wouldnt start this year 25mins away. I just cant bring myself to drive to get it.
Owner lowered the price to $15 and looks like somebody finally got it. Good deal.
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Had a partner 550 dropped off. Would idle but not take gas. Ended up blocking off the gov and hook the pump diaphragm back up to the fulcrum.
Watched said saw cut 20" to 24" dry dead elm with 20" 3/8 bar buried after fixing.
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This is some great info that needs saved. @Hoggwood Thanks for posting this. Just come across this.
Per Hoggwood = I've the original owner's manual for the 1632 1646 that came with my 1632. They show external differences between the two models.
Slide controls for the 1632. Toggles for the 1646 1647. They show the 1632 as having no AV, whereas the 1646 AV as far as I can tell. Curiosity has me wanting to check my bore now as well.
I can scan to PDF if anyone wants a copy of the manual.
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I went ahead and bought this Partner S65 I worked on in 2013 of the oringal owner bought in 1985. He stated the oiler wasnt working when he went to use it this year.
Anyone know any info on what to check on these oilers. I remember it being odd area or different.
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I went ahead and picked up that 1 owner Partner S65 today. Guy bought it new Nov 1, 1985 for $399.99. Have receipt, warranty cards and all the books with the big IPL page.
I didnt want or need the saw but figure I will check it out and pass it onto someone that will want it.
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Partner chainsaw ad and old price list.
(http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae72/arrowheadpioneer/IMG_9902.jpg)
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Saving
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He said the oiler wasnt working last time he used it this year. Plus it had gotten to heavy for him over the 30+ years of owning.
I pulled the bar etc and checked everything and the oiler works. ??? :P 8) ;D
Was missing 1 recoil bolt and I happen to have some of the partner style left so that 1 is right again.
Clean saw homeowner used. I am going to sell it.
Wonder what oregon powermatch bar he had on it. Appears to line up etc. 208XXXD010
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Found in a bag given to me by the last owner. Appears to be a part of a e-clip
Looking at the IPL it shows a starter pulley e-clip. But for the life of me didnt see it while the recoil was off today.
Partner Starter E Clip 297917
Found just a side piece in the bag.
Updated part # 505297917
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Figured out the above e-clip and why I didnt see it before. Just the piece in bag. Goes around and through the pulley to hold on. Also found the other bigger piece stuck to the flywheel magnet.
Was wondering what it looked like run at 25:1 since 1 Nov 1985 Plug above. Piston and rings nice. He said he always used non ethanol mix.
Where e-clip goes around and through.
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While I was selling this saw I did learn something. I knew D009 took the place of D010 mount they came with new.
But when you try and use a D009 72DL the tensioner dont have the travel and chain will be loose. You have to drill the D010 tensioner hole back on the D009 bar so they will work.
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Took this partner s65 65cc back in trade today. To heavy for new owner with bad back.
It will be for sale again with yellow clutch cover that was on a partner 550 at one time. Has 20" older oregon powermatch set up as shown in pics. $120 to move it.
pic
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Took this partner s65 65cc back in trade today. To heavy for new owner with bad back.
It will be for sale again with yellow clutch cover that was on a partner 550 at one time. Has 20" older oregon powermatch set up as shown in pics. $120 to move it.
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updated pics with yellow cover. Checked psi today 130 and piston pics.
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Partner e-clip for starter - photo is out of a Partner service manual.
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That tag along saw I got with the pp415 turned out to be a partner P55 and not a S55 I thought it was. First P one I have had and seen.
http://www.acresinternet.com/cscc.nsf/ed1d619968136da688256af40002b8f7/0124f71c2116551488256afd004f769f?OpenDocument
Link says New 55cc version of R16. Features built in decompression system located at exhaust port. Named "T Port" system.
In back of pic. I dont see any differences in it unless it is something to do with piston and cylinder. No clue.
Recoil is apart, spring and rope out. Turns over and feels like good psi though. Guy said it ran.
saving info
Starter Spring For PARTNER # 295108
Replaces Part Numbers PARTNER 295108
OEM Numbers : 295108 505295110
Type : Starter Spring
Description : REPLACES: PIONEER/PARTNER 295108, PRIME LINE 7-03488 & STENS 625-350.FITS PARTNER MODELS: R16, 17, 18, 22, 30, 40, F55, K16, 20, 65, 650, 850, 1200, P55, 70, 100 & 7000.
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pics
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Saving the partner t port manual info
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I've never seen or heard of a Partner saw here in California, Montana, or Colorado.
They look heavy, but would last a lifetime.
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partner chainsaw info
linkage clip 735581800
Seen this posted by a old rep, so saving info. = Generally speaking:
S= Semi Pro /Farmer
Black & Yellow (older Orange)
Open 2 port cylinder
1 piston ring (service parts had 2)
2 shoe clutch
P=Professional
All yellow
Closed 4 port cylinder
2 Piston ring
D/com valve
3shoe clutch
Crankshaft had hole to oil clutch bearing
Tillotson Carb had built in rev limiter
Couple in-line changes on both over there years.
Miss selling, servicing, and my Dealers!!!
P= Pro
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While I was selling this saw I did learn something. I knew D009 took the place of D010 mount they came with new.
But when you try and use a D009 72DL the tensioner dont have the travel and chain will be loose. You have to drill the D010 tensioner hole back on the D009 bar so they will work.
W moim Partner 7000+ mocowanie prowadnicy D116 Oregon 178SLHD116
https://m.ebay.pl/itm/OREGON-17-178SLHD116-CHAINSAW-GUIDE-BAR-FITS-OLD-PARTNER-SAWS-3-8-1-5MM-64DL/143542501889?hash=item216bccc201:g:Ck0AAOSwFz9eV7S2