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Title: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on December 31, 2012, 10:37:17 pm
http://www.belsaw.com/
(800)468-4449

The Foley Belsaws were popular chainsaw chain sharpeners back years ago. The used ones go for pretty good money 250-300. Most of these are rather old and may possibly have had a lot of usage. The length of the arm on the 308 makes the pivot point sensitive to wear. There were two popular models for chain sharpening, the 307 and 308. The 308 seems more popular. The grinding wheels are still available and are 5 X 1/2 X 3/16 and 1/8. These grinders have a arbor spindle and a belt drive with the motor back near the pivot of the arm. The 308 has a chain fastened to the vice that goes down to a foot peddle for clamping the saw chain.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 01, 2013, 06:36:57 am
I've got a early smaller foley belsaw on the shelf not in use. It has the sears roebuck name plates though.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 03, 2013, 06:23:04 pm
Foley Chain Mate $100 OBO

Was just hobby use in a home

http://swva.craigslist.org/tls/3415526621.html
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: mdavlee on January 03, 2013, 06:53:33 pm
That's a little over an hour away from me. If I didn't have the silvey already I would grab that to do gullets.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 03, 2013, 07:00:24 pm
You get beyond the 307/308 & Chain Mate Foley Bellsaws and they get mighty complicated with all kinds of attachments and more $$$$
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 12, 2013, 09:35:24 am
Looked yesterday and the little foley belsaw I have up on the shelf is a 306.

 
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 12, 2013, 11:30:29 am
I was looking at the Foley Belsaw 306 at cut4fun's house yesterday. The layout is a lot like the 308 in that there is a grinding wheel arbor and belt drive to the motor mounted back closer to the grinding head pivot point in order to make the grinding wheel end lighter and easier to move. The ratio of the pulleys is 1:1 and the belt appears to be 1/4". There is no belt tension adjustment but checking the integrity or slippage of the belt on the pulleys, I could not get it to slip. The motor is a Dayton brand fractional hp version but I didn't write down the specific model.

The design of the chain sharpener is sturdy but simple. I would expect the chain teeth to stop in the same position every time as well as the grinding wheel head to come to the same height for each tooth. There are adjusting bolts for the chain stop position and wheel height as well as the angles. However, I would recommend a handy angle finder if you are adjusting for different types of chain. As for simple, the arbor bearings are Oilite bronze bushings with a grease Zerk. The bushings are the flange type and should be readily available from the hardware store.

This 306 grinder is a significant improvement over the Foley Chain Mate model yet I would stihl rate it as not a professional, day in day out, production device. However, it would be a nice firewood guy's home sharpener.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 20, 2013, 01:00:07 am
This is a follow up on the Sears chain grinder at cut4fun's shop.

He and I saw the number "306" as the part number and assumed it to be a Foley-Belsaw 306. Actually, the number 306 is Sear's supplier code for Foley Belsaw. So that ends the number identification? At this point, it is only a Sears sawchain sharpener made by Foley-Belsaw.

This grinder is more sophisticated than the entry level Foley-Belsaw "Chain Mate" which has the grinding wheel mounted on the motor armature shaft yet is made a little cheaper than the popular Foley-Belsaw 308 in that it has Oilite bushings for the arbor and the vice has no foot operated lock lever like the 308. 2L size V-belts are available from many sources as are the grinding wheels

It would make a nice home shop grinder for the firewood cutter though. The parts are sturdy and simple. Even the flange bushings for the arbor are hardware store items. There are no castings on this grinder.

I would take this grinder in a NY minute over any of the Chinese offerings you typically see.

However it will not do the 10 degree droop on the top cutter that many people do not bother with anyway.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: farmboy on January 20, 2013, 09:39:07 am
I picked my 308 w/foot pedal for $168 well used but still pretty tight.  I needed grinding wheels for it.  Cheapest place is directly from Foley IIRC they were $6 and ship was very reasonable.  Was patient and picked up a new CBN 3/16" on Ebay for $60 BIN.  That was the only one I've seen on there.  But I always say when I miss a deal "There will be another one".
Shep
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun on January 20, 2013, 10:57:32 am
This is a follow up on the Sears chain grinder at cut4fun's shop.

He and I saw the number "306" as the part number and assumed it to be a Foley-Belsaw 306. Actually, the number 306 is Sear's supplier code for Foley Belsaw. So that ends the number identification? At this point, it is only a Sears sawchain sharpener made by Foley-Belsaw.

This grinder is more sophisticated than the entry level Foley-Belsaw "Chain Mate" which has the grinding wheel mounted on the motor armature shaft yet is made a little cheaper than the popular Foley-Belsaw 308 in that it has Oilite bushings for the arbor and the vice has a hand operated lock lever somewhat like the Oregon 510. 2L size V-belts are available from many sources as are the grinding wheels.

It would make a nice home shop grinder for the firewood cutter though. The parts are sturdy and simple. Even the flange bushings for the arbor are hardware store items. There are no castings on this grinder.

I would take this grinder in a NY minute over any of the Chinese offerings you typically see.

However it will not do the 10 degree droop on the top cutter that many people do not bother with anyway.

Interesting, I just thought 306 meant the model.  So what model is it?

I had looked up the little electric motor on it one time and it was around $100.   The motor on this one worked fine, I was just curious
 as to what could be bought for replacements.


I guess I should have gotten it off the shelf yesterday and snapped some pics while I was out there enjoying the nice day.  All 3  benches got cleared off and caught up checking the new stuff over. The  2nd JD 450 and 2 PP505 got shelved for later projects to finish.


If someone is interested in this little sears foley grinder I have on the shelf, let me know. I was just going to set it up for rakers, but never followed through with the idea. So it just sets on the shelf.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: obrie90216 on January 22, 2013, 02:14:58 pm
Hello I just purchased a used 308 missing the motor, pully and fwd/rev switch has anyone  had to replace  or found a direct replacement motor for this grinder? If any one has an operational grinder some information from  your machine would be appreciated. It would be great to know the  the dia. of the motor housing, shaft size and length and distance from plate to the center of the shaft. The tech support guy at Foley said they stopped buying the motor from the supplier because the specs. of  the motor changed and it didn't fit the frame anymore. A photo of the nameplate would also be helpful in my search. I called belsaw and they no longer stock a replacement. Also if anyone has a manual with an exploded view of the grinder parts they could scan? Any answers  on  any of these questions would be appreciated in my attempting to make this operational again. I know Foley sells a copy of this manual but if I am unable to locate a replacement motor I dont want to throw another $20 plus shipping down the drain. Cut for Fun what are you asking for the grinder you mentioned sitting on the shelf?
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 22, 2013, 03:08:45 pm
The motor on this Sears grinder is much smaller than the motor that comes on a Foley-Belsaw 308 grinder.

Though the grinder layout is much like a 308, the Sears is a smaller home owner grinder
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun on January 22, 2013, 04:07:06 pm
Cut for Fun what are you asking for the grinder you mentioned sitting on the shelf?

I'll trade it for something  or if nothing I want to trade for PP gift plus shipping. 

PM with your ideas on trades etc.  Parts are parts to me.

I can get some pics and check motor by plugging in since it has been just setting for a few years now.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: farmboy on January 23, 2013, 02:18:02 pm
I used to see these 308 motors on Ebay all the time.  Just looked nothing.  I would just keep checking Ebay it will probably best bet for a motor.  Had another thought try Grainger they have motors for just about everything.  I'll get the numbers off my motor if the tag is still on it.
Shep
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun on January 23, 2013, 04:39:19 pm
I dont know what size grinding disc suppose to be on this. This was what was on it when I took it in.


Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun on January 23, 2013, 04:43:45 pm
Plugged it in turned on switch and it works.

Dont know how long its been since  any of the grease fittings had been done. Seems to me a few of them even on the motor I think I noticed.

Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 23, 2013, 06:01:16 pm
The motor on this grinder appears to not be a capacitor motor like the model 308. I doubt that means much as far as this Sears grinder is concerned. It is just that the motors are different.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 24, 2013, 12:23:00 am
http://parts.sears.com/partsdirect/part-model/Craftsman-Parts/All-Products-Parts/Model-30683370/0247/1503230/00031562/00001?shdMod=30683370
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 27, 2013, 03:23:11 am
Foley Belsaw 550 Chain Sharpener

I think this is the Same as the Sears Chain Sharpener made by Belsaw but all I have is a picture on a instruction manual

Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 27, 2013, 03:44:45 am
More Belsaw 308 pictures
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 27, 2013, 03:54:43 am
Belsaw 308 Including the spindle or arbor which looks as though it is from a automotive water pump. The spindle is just held by a U-bolt.
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 27, 2013, 04:13:35 am
Belsaw 399 Which I think is the same as a the Foley Foley Chain Mate

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jamesirl/Belsaw399A_zpsd1b89956.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jamesirl/Belsaw399B_zps11f634c1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jamesirl/Belsaw399C_zpsb6d30f62.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jamesirl/Belsaw399D_zps0f292a36.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/jamesirl/Belsaw399E_zps2c33ccbb.jpg)
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 27, 2013, 12:22:43 pm
The 308 motor is still available from Grainger
$150 In Stock - Warehouse   http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/DAYTON-HVAC-Motor-3M292

Item      HVAC Motor
Motor Type      Permanent Split Capacitor
Enclosure      Totally Enclosed Fan-Cooled
HP      1/8
Nameplate RPM      3000
Voltage      115
NEMA/IEC Frame      Nonstandard
Frame      Nonstandard
Service Factor      1.0
Full Load Amps      1.8
Hz      60
Rotation      CW/CCW
Insulation Class      B
Max. Ambient Temp.      40 Degrees C
Mounting      Stud
Bearings      Sleeve
Thermal Protection      Auto
Body Dia.      4"
Shaft Dia.      5/16"
Shaft Length      2"
Length Less Shaft      5-1/2"
Stud Location      4/SE
Stud/Base Mtg. Pattern      2 x 2"
Phase      1
RPM Range      2350-3600
Includes      Capacitor
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 28, 2013, 01:24:24 pm
660mag, how much do you figure that sears foley grinder weighs you checked out here?
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 28, 2013, 01:55:16 pm
Just sharing this.

Foley Belsaw model 1055 Sharp all

Sales ad and asking $250
Foley Belsaw model 1055 Sharp-all saw and tool grinder in good condition. This runs on 115 volt and comes with operating manual. This will sharpen saw blades, chisels, scissors and chain saw chains. Sorry but the saw set and manual for chain saw sharpening attachment are missing. These units are over $1000.00 new. Other hand and power tools available. Phone calls only please.

Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: 660magnum on January 28, 2013, 02:44:13 pm
660mag, how much do you figure that sears foley grinder weighs you checked out here?

I'm guessing 10 lbs
Title: Re: Foley Belsaw 308 Round Grinder
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 04, 2013, 02:21:37 pm
660mag, how much do you figure that sears foley grinder weighs you checked out here?

I'm guessing 10 lbs

Good close guess, Jim.

Large flat rate Priority box, bubble wrap, styrofoam padding sheets for a total of 13lbs shipped weight. So I would guess 12.??lbs for the grinder.