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Title: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Cut4fun on March 18, 2011, 08:01:53 pm
I just took this 028 super in trade.  All of this has been done to it already (oem piston, crank seals, fuel line, impulse line and carb kit) and it is ready to cut with only 5 tanks on rebuild.

What can you guys tell me about these saws being I have never owned one or know what to look out for on them. Problem areas etc down the road.

The day it came in I was testing the partner 550 lifting  it and making cuts.  When I picked the 028 super up from the ups women I couldn't believe how light it felt coming out of the box pho.  ;D

What does the 028 super compare to?

(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Partner550/550028super003.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Partner550/550028super004.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Partner550/550028super005.jpg)
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Old Iron Logging on March 18, 2011, 08:22:09 pm
One of the best Stihl saws ever built. Here they bring in as much as a used 026/260. The 028 series went head to head with the 5000 Partner. 028 lost in power, handling and weight. Durability went to the 028. Air filter was the main weakness of the series. You usually ended up with just a wire body after the fleece wore off.

Been years since I ran a Super. Probably a good match for a 353 Husky in terms of power.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: stihlbro on March 18, 2011, 10:14:05 pm
Oem piston and cylinders are rare. Tecomec is suppose to havea "praised" p and c replacement. The chain brake parts are hard to find.
028 av's are 2.62 cubic inch 42mm, wood bosses are 2.87 cubic inch 44mm bore, and the supers are 3.14 cubic inch 46mm bore. Few different mufflers, some came with out chainbrakes and some had points ignition. The supers have factory little pop up on the piston.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Al Smith on March 19, 2011, 07:30:29 am
They are the old school design much akin to the 038-042-048 style .I' m not exactly certain of the one I have in the shed weather it's a woodboss or a super .I'm thinking the later because I had thought of a 3 cube cookie cutter but it exceeded the 3 cubic inch limit if memory serves me correctly .

At any rate that praticular saw is probabley okay as a firewooder but it lacks the guts for a ground crew saw which is why it's on my list for soup job .My guess is most likely with some massaging the thing is capable of much more than it now exibits in stock form .
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: stihlbro on March 19, 2011, 08:56:01 am
In my opinion, if comparing to a 026, you will find a 028wood boss or super to feel more torquey. Been there done that. As with any series i dont think they all run the same, I've have some 026's that are good runners and some that was so-so. Having run a p5000 too,I cant say how it is to compare but I think you will  like the throttle and handle bar better.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Al Smith on March 19, 2011, 09:25:59 am
It's only an assumption because I really don't know as fact .I assume however the 028 was most likely ported pretty close to the 038 in that it likely has around 99-101 degrees of opening on the exhaust .

From my observation it seems the later models had a little higher exhaust opening and slightly less squish as these earlier models and did have higher speeds and slightly less grunt .

That being the case one would naturally assume the transfer area on the newer faster models would also need a tad more area to sustain a bit higher rpm's .
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: blsnelling on March 19, 2011, 08:05:04 pm
They're a very good saw.  Like already said, they're related to the 038.  Very well built.  I just rebuilt a 028 WoodBoss.  Yours has a larger bore.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Al Smith on March 20, 2011, 06:09:13 am
Although the 028 was of the same design as the 038-042-048 I don't think they made as many .The 042/048 was short lived and the 038 of all three bores sizes most likely was the best seller of the bunch .Of those the AV and the Mag being the most sold .The super is rather rare to find . I've only seen a few myself. Fact the Mag is still produced but not sold in North America .

The 028 was more of a firewood cutter and due to the fact of it being Stihl was of course pricey .My guess is do to that more would have chosen a lower priced saw perhaps Poulan in leau of paying about twice the price  for the Stihl .
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: wannab12 on March 20, 2011, 09:43:00 am
Seems to be lots of supers in this "neck of the woods".I think the dealer (who just happens to have the largest area I've seen),was really pushing them for a long while.
Great saws,fact of the matter is I have 3 of them (all be it,one is a super turned Mag  ;D )

Steve
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Al Smith on March 20, 2011, 10:37:08 am
Now that brings up another thing .The 038's will not easily interchange cylinders between the three bore sizes .In fact believe it or not I have a set of cases that indicate 038 Mag size but is in fact for an AV .

Now I can't help but wonder what about this 028 ? Could they have in fact made the cylinders for easy interchange or went the way of the 038 ? I can't honestly answer because I've never had an 028 apart .On an 038 I can because I'm just about as familiar with those things as an old girl friend . ;D
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: stihlbro on March 20, 2011, 11:03:37 am
Jody put a aftermarket piston in one a few months back, it was a super, but the connecting rod was not solid and had bushing around the wristpin bearing and the center of the rod was slotted. Never seen that before. I know you can swap cylinders around, but you have to watch what style muffler comes on the saw.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Old Iron Logging on March 20, 2011, 11:54:04 am
They all will interchange, only thing is that the farther you go from the original the more work is involved. If you could get pioneerguy to join up he could explain it. He has done a few.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Cut4fun on March 20, 2011, 02:34:14 pm
Just curious. You said it would compare to a husky 353. I wonder about compared to a poulan pro 325. Which I have on the shelf. Anyone know off hand.

Stihl 028 Super 52cc 11.5 lbs  PHO  felt lighter then that lifting out of box  :o :o I would have guess in the 10.?? range

Poulan 325   53 cc  11.2 lbs  PHO  Picture 5000 plus with 46mm bore instead of 44mm and bigger carb. 325 has rpm and torque.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Old Iron Logging on March 20, 2011, 04:24:25 pm
Never owned or ran a Poulan so I can't say.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 20, 2011, 04:35:17 pm
How about the Partner 5500? As far as I have read and checked specs, they seem to be the same saw.
Partner made the Poulan 325 and there was a type 1 closed port like I got and a type 2 open port on later runs of 325.

LINK: Partner 5500 specs info (http://www.chainsawcollectors.se/phpbb3/download/file.php?id=13317&sid=adc819d1113b55f13bd1db8fdca1de56)
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Old Iron Logging on March 21, 2011, 04:45:54 pm
Here is a nice Super. Shipping is a little off.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/NICE-Low-Hour-Stihl-028-AV-Super-Woodboss-Rim-Sprocket-/300537949356?pt=US_Chainsaws&hash=item45f9752cac
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 21, 2011, 04:58:11 pm
Shipping shows $545 here  :o
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Old Iron Logging on March 21, 2011, 05:24:19 pm
Think that is high?  :o
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Cut4fun on March 24, 2011, 06:57:25 am
Is all 028 air filters the same?  Looks like the one on this super is down to the screen.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Cut4fun on March 26, 2011, 03:49:09 pm
I went with 18" 3/8 and full skip round chisel. 

Cut pretty dang nice in the softwoods I have on hand. Going to have to go to a friends to cut on some hardwoods he wants to drop.
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 12, 2011, 12:41:00 pm
When did stihl start putting the high speed idle position on the saws? 

Being this 028 super is new model to me and I thought something was wrong when I was  using it yesterday. Noticed it didnt have this feature or does it?
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Al Smith on September 12, 2011, 04:57:10 pm
I'll have to check the 028 I have in the shed .I can't remember if it does or doesn't have .
Title: Re: Stihl 028 Super
Post by: Al Smith on September 12, 2011, 05:22:47 pm
I just trotted out and checked it .Yes it does have a fast idle . It's a "farm boss " model whatever that is .

As far as filters they list one complete wire mesh filter and two sets of halves which could either be one half each of a mesh filter or one half each of a flocked filter .Good question ,good ole Stihl sometimes leaves a lot of info out of the discriptions .
I couldn't find the numbers on the one in the shed to confirm which it might be .

I did however determine why Tom said it didn't do so well .The danged thing has ramped safety semi chisel on it .When I get a chance I'll drop a chisel in that pot licker and see if that peps it up .

It was a 50 dollar special with a .325 when he got it .All I did was get it running and hang that goofy chain on it and I never really did much other than make a few cuts with it .Probabley the reason that chain was on it is maybe because that's all he had at the time .

One of those deals with 3-4 saws all torn down in boxes and play eenie meanie mighty  mo putting a couple together out of parts .Wasn't the first and most likely not the last . ;D