Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Husqvarna => Topic started by: MindFork on October 04, 2013, 10:56:52 pm
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Hi Guys,
I bought a 372XPW from "The Chainsaw Guy" Richard Dougan (aka Saw.King on ebay). Upon inspection, it looks like the cylinder may be aftermarket. I can't find "Mahle" on it anywhere, and it is way cleaner than anything else on the saw.
Can you confirm from these pics?
Also, in the 4th pic that I'll post of the bottom clutch side, should there be an AV mount in that little gap?
Thanks,
Cameron
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Contrast turned up a little to help show the cylinder
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ID tag
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Underside, where it looks like an AV should be...?
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You have an aftermarket cylinder.
Looks to be an NWP cylinder from Baileys as they are painted black.
Mahle and Gilardoni cylinders are not painted.
Can you look through the exhaust port to see if the piston has a black Teflon coating?
http://www.baileysonline.com/Parts/Parts-Kits-Sets/Pistons-Cylinder-Ring-Kits/NWP/Cylinder-Assembly-for-Husqvarna-365-371-372-52mm-Big-Bore.axd
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That's the travel limit pin for the AV
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2006 45 week
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2322.0;attach=3957;image
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Hi Guys,
I bought a 372XPW from "The Chainsaw Guy" Richard Dougan (aka Saw.King on ebay). Upon inspection, it looks like the cylinder may be aftermarket. I can't find "Mahle" on it anywhere, and it is way cleaner than anything else on the saw.
Can you confirm from these pics?
Also, in the 4th pic that I'll post of the bottom clutch side, should there be an AV mount in that little gap?
Thanks,
Cameron
Is this the same guy that is located up in Oregon?
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You have an aftermarket cylinder.
Looks to be an NWP cylinder from Baileys as they are painted black.
Mahle and Gilardoni cylinders are not painted.
Can you look through the exhaust port to see if the piston has a black Teflon coating?
http://www.baileysonline.com/Parts/Parts-Kits-Sets/Pistons-Cylinder-Ring-Kits/NWP/Cylinder-Assembly-for-Husqvarna-365-371-372-52mm-Big-Bore.axd
Yep, that's exactly what it is. Thank you.
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Hi Guys,
I bought a 372XPW from "The Chainsaw Guy" Richard Dougan (aka Saw.King on ebay). Upon inspection, it looks like the cylinder may be aftermarket. I can't find "Mahle" on it anywhere, and it is way cleaner than anything else on the saw.
Can you confirm from these pics?
Also, in the 4th pic that I'll post of the bottom clutch side, should there be an AV mount in that little gap?
Thanks,
Cameron
Is this the same guy that is located up in Oregon?
Yep, that's him.
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Yep I got taken to the cleaners from him once and will never buy from him again.
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I just sent him this email. I will keep this thread updated with my progress.
Hi Rich,
I was disappointed to see that the cylinder is an aftermarket, looks like from Bailey's. It seems to be a lacking in power compared to a regular 372, but I'm guessing the rings aren't fully seated yet(?). Did Bailey's get that problem with the rings on those kits sorted out?
Since this is a rebuild we're dealing with here, please tell me what else was replaced / rebuilt.
Thank you,
Cameron
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Those Chinese rings might take a year to get seated depending on how you use it.
Whereas Caber Italian rings will pretty much be seated after 3 or 4 tanks gas.
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Those Chinese rings might take a year to get seated depending on how you use it.
Whereas Caber Italian rings will pretty much be seated after 3 or 4 tanks gas.
I'm going to send it back. He should have disclosed that it was an AM rebuild.
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+1 on the NWP
+1 on Chinese vs. Caber rings
+1 on the travel limiter
Good for you Cameron, he needs to get the saw back!
If you paid through PayPal, file a claim immediately!
And so the search continues!
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Looking closely at the pictures I noticed a few things
1) Given the amount of wear/damage around the limiter pin boss, it appears that the saw has thrown more than 1 chain
2) Due to the amount of dirt on the saw, it looks to me that only the P/C were replaced
3) Muffler appears to have been painted over
And lastly,
How many of you guys would let a saw go to a customer this dirty?
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Before you make big buys or get porting done. Dont take the chance if you are just guessing, ask and we will tell you who to stay away from.
That guy in oregon got me once too.
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Hey there sorry about you're saw misfortune. Kevin pointed me to this site and said you were looking for an XPW, I have one I can sell, it's not a factory original built XPW, but one I've put together, but it does in fact have the OEM 51.4mm piston and cylinder. I'll post some pics tonight after work.
On the one you have, you can make that aftermarket one a real runner with some work.
Will
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Welcome parrisw
All on you 2 guys now, my work is done. ;)
parrisw everything here is free to do, sale, advertise, port, whatever. No paying some guy a monthly fee to help others just to be a sponsor. We are all sponsors IMO here to help out others.
Enjoy and again welcome and help out where you can.
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I would (not) have it with that AM top end. Good on ya for sending it back.
Be careful out there especially on the bay!
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This it
Description: Used Strong running Husqvarna 372 XPW chainsaw with used 28 inch light weight Husqvarna bar and new chain. Has the factory original 75cc big block cylinder, piston kit. See video below for more info.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TheChainSawGuy-shop-talk-Husqvarna-372-XPW-75cc-Chainsaw-see-video-/130981697429?pt=US_Chainsaws&hash=item1e7f1e1795&nma=true&si=o8IbzmvT5de3EarAjyOupkaClpU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TheChainSawGuy-shop-talk-Husqvarna-372-XPW-75cc-Chainsaw-see-video-/130981697429?pt=US_Chainsaws&hash=item1e7f1e1795
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Those Chinese rings might take a year to get seated depending on how you use it.
Whereas Caber Italian rings will pretty much be seated after 3 or 4 tanks gas.
I'm going to send it back. He should have disclosed that it was an AM rebuild.
I would send it back. If it had aftermarket items as important as the cylinder and piston it should have been disclosed. Plus
it sounds to me like he just flat out lied about it. Freeze his pay pal account while you still can, believe me that will get his attention.
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:'(
+5 I agree with 3000FPS, freeze his PayPal account NOW!
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Cameron, here is a decent 372 bottom end that could be the basis for a good saw. Add a Hyway 52mm big bore kit, a Stihl 064 piston, and the intake and carb off a 372XT or 385XP and you will have a fine running saw.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331035785032?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Closes today in 5+ hours and is at $112 right now!
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KilliansRedLeo did you buy the $75 crankcase?
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Not yet, I had been watching the auction that I just sent to Cameron. I am waiting for Saw Again to message me about if there are any stripped or broken out screw holes on the $75 case. That would have made a good base for a saw for Cameron but he had already bought the saw from Saw-Sting.
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Thanks TJ, Kevin, Parris and everyone
TJ, yea I was surprised at how dirty the saw was. I know zero about how a 372 *should* look up close, but that travel limiter seemed way too loose, which is why I thought it should have a rubber mount or something in there.
I forgot to mention that pitted muffler with the coat of paint last night. I was already pretty pissed about the cylinder. It would have been ok IF he had told me about it and if I had paid about $125 less. I paid for OEM and got Chinese AM.
I searched this board and AS for his name and all I found were positive reports. Maybe there are some threads like this out there on him, but I didn't find them. That's one reason I put all his names / handles in the original post.
Fortunately, he is being cool about a refund. Here is his reply:
The cylinder and piston are from RJW Cylinder works back east,
I have had good results with them. The rings will need to seat in.
If you would like to return unit, just drain gas/oil and return.
Just let me know at sawking@hotmail.com
Take care
RD
Which I will be doing ASAP.
This is a good lesson for me. I should have known better. I DO know better. But I heard XPW and got excited.
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The only 372XPW that were 375's (51.4mm bore) were from January 2007 through March 2010
The rest were all 50 mm bore
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RJW Cylinder works back east. ???
Never heard of them. Nothing I can find in my 1 min search.
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RJW Cylinder works back east. ???
Never heard of them. Nothing I can find in my 1 min search.
Yea, more like Red Chinese Army cylinder works.
It wasn't the XPW in that link you posted above -- that one looks MUCH nicer than what I got. He hadn't listed it on the bay, and I thought I was snagging a really nice unit. WRONG. I need to get in gear so I can take it to the post office today.
If he gives me a full refund, including original shipping, I won't try to torpedo him on PayPal. That's a level of escalation beyond what this situation deserves, IMO. If he was resisting the refund, then I would, but he's not. With a full refund, each of us will only be out the cost of shipping 1 way and our time.
Lesson learned for me, and hopefully for him to DESCRIBE HIS GOODS BETTER when some noob like me calls him on the phone looking for an XPW.
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I would still file a claim and mark it on ebay and paypal as not as described. You are on a time limit (no clue what it is) on having to file a claim if you dont get full refund or if he hem haws around dragging it out.
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I would still file a claim and mark it on ebay and paypal as not as described. You are on a time limit (no clue what it is) on having to file a claim if you dont get full refund or if he hem haws around dragging it out.
Ok, will do. Thanks.
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RJW is Randy Watson that's all over aboristsite but I've never known him to sell the black ones.
http://www.weedeaterman.com/default.asp
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I would still file a claim and mark it on ebay and paypal as not as described. You are on a time limit (no clue what it is) on having to file a claim if you dont get full refund or if he hem haws around dragging it out.
+1 on this, turn him in to PayPal and eBay if you bought it off eBay, if you just sent payment by PayPal for "goods", then turn him into PayPal!
I am on the east coast and have never heard of RJW cylinder works and have been doing this stuff for a very long time. To be honest with you, you would be better off with a BB kit and Stihl piston as the W6+ 51.4 mm OEM C/P kits are getting close to $400 msrp where the BB kit and 064 piston will cost you less than half of that!
The link I posted would be a good candidate to build on. You could also check with some of the builders here and see if they have the parts to build you a saw based on your requirements.
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RJW is Randy Watkins that's all over aboristsite but I've never known him to sell the black ones.
http://www.weedeaterman.com/default.asp
660, I thought the same that it was WatsonR from AS but did not want to implicate someone unless I knew for sure. OBTW I think he gets his C/P kits from www.hlsproparts.com! Check out both sites and compare the layout and text for individual parts.
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I made a mistake it is Randy Watson not Watkins.
Anyway I think his major supplier is HLS?
Randy's Hyway cylinders are, I think, the same as the ones Bailey's has (NWP) but without the black coating. Randy has promotional deals that have Meteor pistons/rings or just the Cabor rings.
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Back in the day, some of the MX racers were using those Teflon coated pistons but the coating flaked off and they eventually moved back to regular pistons, because the stuff made a mess inside the engine. Especially case mounted reed valves and rotary valves like the Kawasaki bikes.
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There are loads of Bike, ATV and UTV 'Big Bore' kits available through these guys, name is similar but wonder about address.
http://www.cylinder-works.com/ProductInfo.aspx?cat_id=5
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If that is the case Username Weedeaterman is here and has a sale section in where to buy online. He might be the head guy Henry, not the one on AS.
http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/used-chainsaw-parts-online/aftermarkets-parts-for-all-major-brands/
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Thanks Kevin. May have other stuff to sell as well, the non sponsor issue is handy.
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Here are the first few pics of mine. Now I'm having second thoughts on selling it. Hmmmm darn and I waited so long to get one!
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Does not come with bar and chain.
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Dang you making me want one again.
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Yes, I've been through many 372, they are always very popular, and I always give in and sell them, I still have one other, which is 70cc and ported and is a real runner, and its still almost new, so 2 372's, and many others, I could use the cash from this saw, that's for sure.
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Yes, I've been through many 372, they are always very popular, and I always give in and sell them, I still have one other, which is 70cc and ported and is a real runner, and its still almost new, so 2 372's, and many others, I could use the cash from this saw, that's for sure.
You do some real nice looking work. Makes me want one too.
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Nice looking 375. Even has the sticker. :-)
That's a serious bar. I handled a 390xp today at my local pawn shop with a bar like that. Bit on the heavy side. 375 with a woods port and a 20" bar should be more than enough for what I need to do on my land.
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LOL a 375 and 20"!!! That would do fine. That bar is a 28" lightweight.
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I always thought these stickers were cool. If you wanted to let people know whats under the hood. Husqvarna 375xp
Notice fuel and oil caps. ;)
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Before you make big buys or get porting done. Dont take the chance if you are just guessing, ask and we will tell you who to stay away from.
That guy in oregon got me once too.
How about a 'hall of shame' list?
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I have a few of the same stickers, cool. What did you use to cut the notches to match the starter so well?
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I have a few of the same stickers, cool. What did you use to cut the notches to match the starter so well?
Not me. I sold my ported 375 using 375K ported concrete cylinder ( dozerdan ) before the stickers were out. I just saved pics of them from the net.
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Nice looking 375. Even has the sticker. :-)
That's a serious bar. I handled a 390xp today at my local pawn shop with a bar like that. Bit on the heavy side. 375 with a woods port and a 20" bar should be more than enough for what I need to do on my land.
How much for the 390? I wouldn't mind one of them for my small saw;)
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I had one of those xpws from that seller also. It was ported already and not a great runner. The 10mm 044 I had then cut right with it.
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Nice looking 375. Even has the sticker. :-)
That's a serious bar. I handled a 390xp today at my local pawn shop with a bar like that. Bit on the heavy side. 375 with a woods port and a 20" bar should be more than enough for what I need to do on my land.
How much for the 390? I wouldn't mind one of them for my small saw;)
LOL, I guess your big saw is a 3120, eh? That 390 was marked at $600. It'll probably sit there for a long time, because most people around are Stihl-heads.
As for that ported XPW, did Rich port it? Sounds like an underwhelming saw...
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It looked a lot like the one he showed videos of the cylinder porting. It wasn't very impressive.
My big saw is a 660 and 9010. The little saw is a 288 right now.
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Hey Cameron! Did Saw-Sting return your $?
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Hey Cameron! Did Saw-Sting return your $?
The saw is en route back to him now. He agreed to give a full refund so that each of us only loses shipping costs one way. I will update once he has issued the refund and everything is settled.
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COOL, what are you looking for next. This is high season for chainsaws in upstate NY. So, I am getting tons of saws in on a daily basis. Today, 14 came in!
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COOL, what are you looking for next. This is high season for chainsaws in upstate NY. So, I am getting tons of saws in on a daily basis. Today, 14 came in!
I still want a 372 with new bearings, seals, etc. Preferably one with a compression bump and muffler mod. A woods port would be nice, too. :)
Refund update:
He got the saw back today and submitted the refund through PayPal. PayPal will take a few days to process it, but he sent the refund in full.
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It looked a lot like the one he showed videos of the cylinder porting. It wasn't very impressive.
My big saw is a 660 and 9010. The little saw is a 288 right now.
So there's a whopping 4.6cc difference between your 'little' saw and your 'big' saw?:D
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Well it looks like Rich hasn't learned his lesson. He uploaded a video to sell this on ebay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajosCq9Hh70
And you'll notice that he doesn't mention the fact that the P&C is aftermarket. He just barely hints at it, which doesn't count. Instead he spends most of his time talking about the "features" on it that every other chainsaw in the world has.
It looks like he replaced the missing case screw and outside falling spike that he didn't include on it when he sent it to me. Other than that, it's the same unimpressive saw.
I'm just glad I got a refund!
Thanks again to everyone who contributed to this thread. Since I'm a chainsaw noob, it really helps to have help from you guys.
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He says it is a "big block" a couple times.
I suppose he is hinting that the thing is bigger bore? Maybe it has a 52mm big bore 76.4 cc after market cylinder? It would be better if he was up front about exactly what was in it rather than the buyer finding out the hard way.
It is not the right year to have been a 51.4mm bore 75cc from the factory but he doesn't tell the year either.
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It probably is a 52mm kit, but I would think that he would heavily promote the "brand new piston and cylinder" instead of dancing around it. I have heard that some of those kits can be quite good, but I think he's hoping to sell it to someone who won't notice what's in there.
Here it is in action in some soft wood. Not very impressive. I wonder how long it will take those rings to seat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S6rbiOUyF8
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I have a big bore 372 that has been ported. It runs real good and has a Stihl 064 piston. We ran it yesterday over at Kevin's house.
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I have a big bore 372 that has been ported. It runs real good and has a Stihl 064 piston. We ran it yesterday over at Kevin's house.
Now THAT is a big-bore that I would like to have. :)
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If I was you I would be all over parris ported saw. Heck shipping from him to you will about eat that $75 and then you got $600 in a PHO ported oem 74.6cc topend saw.
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That price is off the table, but I have made an offer. :)
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Wow Thanks for the update. So $675 shipped PHO as it was listed is off the table. :o ::)
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I took $600 (took 2 saws on trade and sold them $300 apiece) for my brute of a 375 PHO ported by Dan Henry and sold my other ported 71cc and BB 76cc for $400 apiece.
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I took $600 (took 2 saws on trade and sold them $300 apiece) for my brute of a 375 PHO ported by Dan Henry and sold my other ported 71cc and BB 76cc for $400 apiece.
Too bad I wasn't around when you were selling those. I'm glad I got your redmax, though! :)
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Why does the chainsaw guy always check the temperature of the muffler before the test cut?
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Why does the chainsaw guy always check the temperature of the muffler before the test cut?
That is part of his BS in trying to make us believe he is some kind of chainsaw guru.
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Why does the chainsaw guy always check the temperature of the muffler before the test cut?
That is part of his BS in trying to make us believe he is some kind of chainsaw guru.
Hey come on ;) ;) ;). I use a meat thermometer through the exhaust on muffler while running to tell when the saw is warm and ready for use. :D :D :D Customers just watch in awe. :P :P ::)
After a 12pak or so ;D
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Why does the chainsaw guy always check the temperature of the muffler before the test cut?
That is part of his BS in trying to make us believe he is some kind of chainsaw guru.
Hey come on ;) ;) ;). I use a meat thermometer through the exhaust on muffler while running to tell when the saw is warm and ready for use. :D :D :D Customers just watch in awe. :P :P ::)
After a 12pak or so ;D
Very good.
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My guess is that he thinks there must be a lot of folks out there that will purchase his stuff just because of the video. Personally I don't think the guy is worth the energy we are wasting on his somewhat shady business ethics. Too bad there isn't a way we could warn potential buyers of his practices.
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My guess is that he thinks there must be a lot of folks out there that will purchase his stuff just because of the video. Personally I don't think the guy is worth the energy we are wasting on his somewhat shady business ethics. Too bad there isn't a way we could warn potential buyers of his practices.
Nope, he's not worth the energy...but it is kind of fun to laugh at his goofy videos. :)
Hopefully this thread will serve as a warning. I couldn't find anything negative about him before this whole thing, just a handful of threads where people only had nice things to say about him.