Chainsaw Repair
How To Basics - Carb Fixes + Mods - IPL and Service Manuals => How To Basics and Fixes => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on January 20, 2014, 01:08:43 pm
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I'm not up on all this different fuel line stuff. So is this Tygon LP 1200 going to be a line to handle ethanol? Any other info on subject.
Just learned that Tygon will be coming out with another fuel line hopefully in March after EPA hurdles (Tygon LP1200.)
I use it for the old Poulan 25 variants. Tygon 4040A fails in 5 months or so, LP 1100 which I just got a role of is supposed to “de-laminate” and cause problems when changing out fuel filters after a time. It’s a bit stiff too. LP 1200 is supposed to be the wonder child. Or so says the tech guy I talked to.
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The 4040A like what you have in stock and what they sell at Glenns has been the best for gasoline so far
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I was wondering what I had. Thanks Jim.
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Cut4fun invited me on and to post on the thread - Thanks!
The Tech guy I talked to on the phone who told me about LP1200 asked what I was using now. I said well, Tygon 4040A, I was told it was the best so I bought a roll. He said actually it’s not intended for that application (submerged in gasoline). I said ahhh... someone should get the word out then cause that’s what all the shops and people I know are using (on old 25DAs anyway.)
So I had already ordered a roll of LP1100 from a supplier-US Plastics. It is supposed to be ok with up to 100% ethanol. That it is a laminate leads me to suspect that it is not supposed to sit in gas all the time either - though I did not ask the tech guy from the factory this question. Feels a little stiff to me for following the gas around inside a 25DA tank but, I think it will work.
I’m looking forward to LP1200 and hoping it will be a one time answer. In the mean time I trust that the LP1100 will be far better than replacing 4040A every so many months and smelling raw gas through the day as the indicator that my fuel line has shrunk and hardened.
If anyone has wanted to try LP1100 and give knowledgable input to the rest, I would send a length out to the first couple of posters/PMrs. ( 3/32 ID, 3/16 OD 3/64 Wall thickness) Length of line? Mailing info.?
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Thanks for sharing info.
Just saving links.
US Plastic Corp fuel line http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/default.aspx?catid=579&gclid=CNjav4KYkLwCFeYWMgodxSoAAQ
Read on tygon f 4040 a http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23487
TYGON LOW PERMEATION ? Compatible with greater than 10% ethanol fuel https://www.jackssmallengines.com/Products/Universal/fuel-filter-part/Tygon-Fuel-Line
Where I have bought fuel line in the past too. MFG Supply http://www.mfgsupply.com/smallengine/smengfuel/smengfuelline.html
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I've had bad luck with Tygon swelling when submerged in fuel tanks, works ok if the fuel pick up is zip tied or safety wired in place otherwise it swells the filter falls off. Some of the synthetic rubber hose tolerates methanol laced gas pretty Well.
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Gas AND methanol seems to be the issue. Either or is easier to deal with. I'd imagine PTFE line is gonna be the most gas/alky tolerant but it has its own issues related to flexibility and securing it to barb type connectors in saws
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My experience years ago (50's) with clear vinyl tubing was when exposed to methanol and nitro, The tubing would turn milky and hard as a rock within a month.
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Two new lines installed today. Both are in Poulan S25DA and S25AV’s, so some of the line is submerged in the tank and some will only have fuel contacting the inside liner.
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Do you guys work on a lot of the poulan s25? If anyone has a nice clean one for sale, I'd love to buy one! great Saw! Used one for climbing/tree pruning in the day til I bought an O20l. Adam
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Just the ones I continue to run for work. Ebay.
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If anyone has wanted to try LP1100 and give knowledgable input to the rest, I would send a length out to the first couple of posters/PMrs. ( 3/32 ID, 3/16 OD 3/64 Wall thickness) Length of line? Mailing info.?
I got a wild thing 2375 and a 2150 needing new fuel lines.
Was going to use my 4040 but wondering if this LP1100 might be close enough to try out?
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Measurements read the same on paper. It may pull through the fuel tank hole a little harder for me. Slight size difference or materiel has diff. friction on hole, not sure.
I went ahead and pulled hard on it, stretching the fuel line quite a bit during installation. Possibly caused a problem for myself by ‘delaminating’ the tubing. I will watch this and keep you posted. Next installation I will grease the outside and have it slide into hole more agreeably.
Tell me your two lengths and where to send it.
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Sent in PM yesterday. Thanks and let me know what I owe.
So does this line look any different then the 4040?
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LP 1100 (if I remember correctly) is a slightly different color than 4040 A. It is a little on the green side.
Fuel line is winging its way to you as of today Kevin. Thanks for your kind offer to pay for line and postage, both here and in PM. I appreciate your contribution to saw info and inviting me to this forum, couldn’t possibly accept anything.
Sent line out to another participant today too so everyone should have some informed thoughts coming at some point.
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Thanks Merle! I'll be putting that line on two different saw models (Poulan S25-CVA and a Poulan 3400), and will then put 4040A lines into a Poulan S25DA and a PoulanPro 375. I run non-ethanol fuel, but will leave fuel in the tanks of these saws to see how the lines fare when submerged for extended periods.
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You’re welcome Aaron. Where do you get non-ethanol fuel and can anyone get it?
The closest that I know of to me is in Redding, about 7 hours there and back.
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Typically boating marinas have it.
http://pure-gas.org/
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You’re welcome Aaron. Where do you get non-ethanol fuel and can anyone get it?
The closest that I know of to me is in Redding, about 7 hours there and back.
I will PM you the info (or just tell you on the phone). Gonna hit the rack now. Long work night.
My source is about 45 minutes from me...........and probably a bit over an hour from you. If you'd like I'll bring back some for you. Good clean safe non-eth gas, and not too expensive. Not breaking any regulations as we're not using it on the road in pollution controlled motor vehicles.........but I'm still hesitant to post details in an open forum. Don't want the source to dry up...
There are closer sources, but they're very expensive (VP SEF94 and TrueFuel). Was looking into the marina option, but from what I'd gathered that may be a dead end in our area. I used to get 100LL from airfields.................but that's been severely hampered over the last few years. California......
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http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CA
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Jim I'm not ignoring the PureGas link. California's a big state. The closest place on the PureGas listing (Leggett) is almost 3 hours drive for Merle and myself. The rest are closer to 4-8 hours away. Sorry, I should have said something about that the first time you posted the link.
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I was talking to a guy yesterday on the phone and he got to talking about buying gas for his Honda 2000 sports car. I got the idea from him that in his area of the SE USA that E-0 gasoline is available, at the drive up pump, at several automotive gasoline service stations in his city of 30,000. It is even available as regular and premium. Certainly not available around Ohio except at the marinas and they are not open from November through March. I get the idea you can find it at some local gasoline distribution terminals where they will sell you a five gallon can full any time of year. I have not bothered myself.
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LP 1100 (if I remember correctly) is a slightly different color than 4040 A. It is a little on the green side.
Fuel line is winging its way to you as of today Kevin. Thanks for your kind offer to pay for line and postage, both here and in PM. I appreciate your contribution to saw info and inviting me to this forum, couldn’t possibly accept anything.
Sent line out to another participant today too so everyone should have some informed thoughts coming at some point.
Received today Thank You.
Looks just alittle lighter yellow to me then the 4040.
Now for some warmer weather and time to do the 2 saws.
Still got a monte heater control module to replace when I get a break in the weather, plus the freaking water pump started leaking I noticed.
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Received the line yesterday afternoon. Slightly different color than 4040A. Much stiffer than 4040A. Interesting stuff. Looking into tapered cut ends,I can sorta see the multiple layered construction. Will get 'em into the Poulans soon. Most likely this weekend. Thanks again Merle!
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I noticed epa was printed on the line. ?
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I noticed epa was printed on the line. ?
1100LP meets the current EPA and CARB regulations for permeation emissions standards. Wonder if they'll start 'spot checking' shops to see if they're using the gov approved line for repairs......
http://www.processsystems.saint-gobain.com/product_detail.aspx?id=251406
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Replaced the fuel line on a Skil branded Poulan 3400. Used some LP1100 that Merle had sent me (thanks again Merle). Had some 'regular' Tygon 4040A line in the same size on hand to compare. The LP1100 is much stiffer than the 4040A. Much less 'cooperative' when threading it through the fuel tank hole and especially when streching it over fuel filter barbs. Had to carefully heat and 'pre-stretch' the line before getting it over the barbs. Even then, while getting started on the barb wasn't hard........getting the line fully seated took more time/struggling/swearing than usual. It also was easier to 'injure' the line by overstretching it.
I used the 4040A for the vent line as it's more pliable. The vent line on these has a plastic double-barb fitting with a duckbill valve inside the tank. The other end of the fitting (in the line) passes through the hole in the top of the tank. The line has to 'squish' quite a bit for the barb of the fitting to seat fully in that tank hole. I was doubtful that the LP1100 would do that without excessive swearing. Will be interesting to see how this new line holds up in the long term. Since there's 4040A in the tank as well (vent line) this will be a good comparison methinks. I have a few more saws to try this line in.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_170518845_zpsggu8jlyg.jpg)
This pic shows the dark brown, waxy/decayed old line along with the LP1100 and 4040A.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_170637522_zpskzgdgoio.jpg)
This pic shows the 'taper cut' ends of both lines. LP1100 on the left, and 4040A (in my hand) on the right.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_170942192_zpsgrxro70k.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_171306838_zpsvlfrxvnk.jpg)
Here I've carefully heated the end of the line with a lighter and pre-stretched it on needle-nose pliers prior to fitting it to the fuel filter barb. This LP1100 does NOT like to stretch...
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_172502968_zpssaqisuql.jpg)
Here's the vent line that I've made up with a length of 4040A.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_172509228_zpsqdm7jofq.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_172603694_zpshtf7fo8f.jpg)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Poulan%20Chainsaws/IMG_20140302_172617692_zpsu8bnzdne.jpg)
Here's the LP1100 fuel line in place, followed by the 4040A vent line. You can see the end of the double-barb vent fitting peeking out through the hole in the tank. Last pic shows the vent line end tucked in place. You can see the different colors and 'flexiness' of the two lines. Again...........LP1100 is on the left and 4040A is on the right.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u318/Eccentric_photo/Jonathan%20Fudim%20saws/IMG_20140302_175517672_zpsaliqatxg.jpg)
Rebuilt the carb while I had it apart. The fuel filter had fallen off the old line and was laying in the tank. This let a BUNCH of crap get into the carb and clog the screens. Cleaned 'er out and put in a K10-HDB kit. Back up and running.8)
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Good report
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Thanks Jim. That line will likely be much more resistant to ethanol (and immersion in fuel in general). Sure isn't very user-friendly however. Hoping the 'new' upcoming LP1200 is the best of both worlds....
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Nice update. Mine still laying on bench waiting for warmth and catch up of car work. Both coming soon I hope. If it aint one thing right now it's another it seems.
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I still havent installed the newer tygon sent to me sorry.
Do have a question though. I seen some yellow oregon that was said to withstand 30% ethanol. Anyone have feedback?
Oregon website dont say anything https://www.oregonpartsstore.com/07-261.html
But site selling it does. Tested to withstand 30% Ethanol http://www.chainsawchain4less.com/Chainsaw-Replacement-Fuel-Line-07-261.htm
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I still havent installed the newer tygon sent to me sorry.
Do have a question though. I seen some yellow oregon that was said to withstand 30% ethanol. Anyone have feedback?
Oregon website dont say anything https://www.oregonpartsstore.com/07-261.html
But site selling it does. Tested to withstand 30% Ethanol http://www.chainsawchain4less.com/Chainsaw-Replacement-Fuel-Line-07-261.htm
I haven't tried the Oregon branded line yet, but I have seen that 30% claim stated in ebay listings for it.
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I replaced my fuel line in mini tiller with weed trimmer head with this fuel line the other day. Still not long enough use on saw to tell anything different yet. Except harder to work with.
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good thread
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I've got the LP1100 merle sent me in 3 things now. 2150 - mini tiller with homelite weedeater head - 2700
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Still flexible and sealing well in my Poulan S25DA/AV's. Been too busy with work to check out if new Tygon is available. Will when it slows.
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Anyone have the tygon 1200 installed in anything yet? Merle said he would send me some to try like it did with the 1100.
Says = Superior chemical resistance and compatible with 100% ethanol fuel transfer
http://www.processsystems.saint-gobain.com/tygon-lp1200-tubing.aspx
Tygon® LP-1200 Low Permeation Fuel Tubing is specially designed to meet new EPA and CARB evaporative emission standards of 15g/m2/day. The patent-pending design and robust multi-layer construction offers superior fitting retention and resistance to swelling, hardening and cracking caused by hydrocarbon-based fluids.
Handheld lawn and garden tools: chainsaws, brush cutters, trimmers, blowers
Available in 5 standard sizes as stock
Customized to any sizes and colors per customers' requirements
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Kev, who's your source? Would like to try some...
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Kev, who's your source? Would like to try some...
In this thread Merle. Dont know where he is getting it.
Maybe McMaster-Carr ? http://www.mcmaster.com/#
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is this it http://www.ebay.com/itm/13575-GENUINE-LP-1200-TYGON-OEM-FUEL-LINE-50-3-32-ID-X-3-16-OD-X-3-64-WALL-/271795012224?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f483ec280
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is this it http://www.ebay.com/itm/13575-GENUINE-LP-1200-TYGON-OEM-FUEL-LINE-50-3-32-ID-X-3-16-OD-X-3-64-WALL-/271795012224?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f483ec280
LP 1200 is the name. So I guess it could be. I havent seen 1200 yet in hand.
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i can say dont use the tygon from hong kong agape jelly or something was the seller... it does not shrink up but its breaking at thegrommet hole or where it goes into the tank allowing junk to get pulled into carb ..... causing the screen to get clogged this happened with in 3 or 4 months ... stuff is trash...i used oregon from mowers4u and it shrunk up and got hard.....never just broke though....looking forward to hear what others are using and how it compares,,,,,,
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A lot of companies are making high ethanol resistant fuel lines in the 3/32x3/16..even Stens has gotten in on the act with the true blue product...but from what I have seen of it, it is a little stiffer than the 4040, causing operators to have to "weight the filters down" to keep them in the bottom of the tank..It is very resistant to the ethanol though..I have sold a little over 400 feet of it since it came out, and a lot of customers like it...
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Kevin, I am sending you 2 feet of the 1200, and also 2 feet of the stens true blue, which is also low perm..I think it is actually softer and easier to work with than the 1200..I cant tell a lot of difference in the workability of the 1200 over the 1100.. both are kinda stiff.. and that little fuel filter is a pita to get into the 1200 as well in the 80x140...anyway, try it out, I already put some in a weedeater trimmer for trial..Thanks, Bobby
Posting this here so others can see your findings.
Stens True Blue havent seen that one yet.
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Is the true blue vinyl?
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Is the true blue vinyl?
@Nathaniel Vansickle do you carry this true blue line or have any info?
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i have some of the true blue 100% ethanol compatible stuff here. havent tried it and Stens is pretty secretive with it. The 4040 tygon from stens is in the gobain box with just a stens sticker on the box. True blue line is in a dedicated stens box with no reference to gobain or tygon.
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Bobby from midtnpower sent this to me when he sent the LP 1200 out. The true blue is much easier to work with, just a little stiffer than the f 4040, not as stiff as the 1200.
I think he was telling me the true blue was much easier to work with then the 1100 we were talking about.
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Thanks Nate. Also Have you worked with the true blue yet?
http://www.stens.com/true-blue-fuel-line
Ethanol: Compatible with up to 100% pure ethanol
Translucent blue
High quality
Packaged 25' per box
End user friendly packaging with quick and easy dispense hole in the top
Resists swelling and hardening
Made in USA
(http://static1.stens.com/productimages/115-504_L.jpg)
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no it comes in odd sizes. most of what i do i use tygon .080 x .140 line. If it is Echo, husqvarna, jred, dolmar, or stihl and i use bulk line it is the black echo line or the red Dolmar line.
True Blue is only available in these sizes:
115-508
ID: 3/32"
OD: 3/16"
115-504
ID: 3/32"
OD: 5/32"
115-512
ID: 1/8"
OD: 3/16"
115-500
ID: 1/16"
OD: 1/8"
115-524
ID: 1/4"
OD: 3/8"
115-520
ID: 3/16"
OD: 5/16"
115-516
ID: 1/8"
OD: 1/4"
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Good to know and thanks for listing lines.
Link Stens True Blue fuel line. http://www.stens.com/true-blue-fuel-line
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Got a surprise yesterday, there was true blue in with the tygon 1200.
See what they are saying about stiff. True blue feels like the easier one to work with.
Will get pic later in micro.
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http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/search?q=tygon&x=0&y=0
i like the feel of the true blue better but until someone makes it in .080 x .140 i wont be using much of it.
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3/16 in LP-1200 and True Blue.
080 x 140 LP-1200
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How does the 1200LP compare to the 1100LP? That True Blue is interesting. It's good to have more options. They do need to make more sizes however. .080 x .140 and .117 x .211 would be good additions.
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got my 3/16 true blue in from 18.95 guy on fleabay should know in about a year if it is good.
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How does the 1200LP compare to the 1100LP? That True Blue is interesting. It's good to have more options. They do need to make more sizes however. .080 x .140 and .117 x .211 would be good additions.
Aaron I cant remember sorry, 1200 compared to 1100. But the 1200 is super ssssssstiff.
got my 3/16 true blue in from 18.95 guy on fleabay should know in about a year if it is good.
Cool keep us updated on long term.
Wishing for trublue in .080 x .140
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1100LP was pretty damn stiff.
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1100LP was pretty damn stiff.
Times that by 2.
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Damn. I was hoping the 1200 was going to be more pliable than the 1100...
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So the question becomes where is the best place for 80x140 rubber line for chainsaws?
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So the question becomes where is the best place for 80x140 rubber line for chainsaws?
@Nathaniel Vansickle
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http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/search?q=tygon&x=0&y=0
i like the feel of the true blue better but until someone makes it in .080 x .140 i wont be using much of it.
Link here too
Where to buy online dealer board http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/used-chainsaw-parts-online/performance-outdoor-equipment-dolmar-parts/
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I've installed the tygon 1100 .080 .140 and havent had it fail yet. Havent on the tygon 1200 yet. But it will be even harder to work with then 1100.
Wish TruBlue would come out with their stuff in that size.
Get hold of Nate. He can get echo dolmar jonsered husky oem lines too.
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the .080 x .140 line i have is tygon 4040
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I have been using the Oregon 30% stuff ............ it is stiffer than 4040a.
I have it inside some tanks and also as external fuel and vent lines.
I also have Nate sending me some of the Stens Blue line.
Both will be going into a jar of (supposedly) 10% ethanol fuel line. (has been tested @ near 20%)
Also going to drop some of both into a jar of VP SEF
I might also have some Tygon 4040a laying around somewhere that could get thrown in to the jars too ...............
Plug for dealing with Nate ........... great communication and good prices !!!
Thanks Nate !!
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so far I am real happy with true blue 3/16 on wild things and weedaters I just drill out small hole so I do not need the tiny line anymore.
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so far I am real happy with true blue 3/16 on wild things and weedaters I just drill out small hole so I do not need the tiny line anymore.
IMO that is the thing to do. But I dont want to drill out other folks stuff or saws I am selling. But if it was mine and keeping that sure would be the way to go.
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I might be just a little more redneck than you ;D I drill em out tell em they will love it.
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Git your package today Nate ........ thank you SIr !!
I will put the Excelon, 4040, Stens Blue, and Oregon 30% in the same jar to see how they cope with pump gas with about 15%-20% (as tested) ethanol.
Also going to drop them all in a jar of VP SEF
Icing on the cake .................. now I dont have to look for a scrap of the 4040 ! Thanks Nate !!
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I might be just a little more redneck than you ;D I drill em out tell em they will love it.
You seen my stihl oem fuel line bypass. ;) Using tygon.
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no but I look forward to it. :D
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no but I look forward to it. :D
Dang let me pull up old thread links for ya.
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@dannyupsolate Redneck stihl fuel line bypass http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/stihl/stihl-ms250-quick-fuel-line-fix/msg22370/#msg22370
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I have been using the Oregon 30% stuff ............ it is stiffer than 4040a.
I have it inside some tanks and also as external fuel and vent lines.
I also have Nate sending me some of the Stens Blue line.
Both will be going into a jar of (supposedly) 10% ethanol fuel line. (has been tested @ near 20%)
Also going to drop some of both into a jar of VP SEF
I might also have some Tygon 4040a laying around somewhere that could get thrown in to the jars too ...............
Plug for dealing with Nate ........... great communication and good prices !!!
Thanks Nate !!
You putting 1100 1200 4040 and trueblue all in the jar? Keep us updated on what is happening.
If you dont have something. Let me know what you dont have and how long of a piece you need to test.
I wonder if the oregon 30% is the 1100 1200?
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The Oregon line isn't 1100 or 1200. It's more like 4040A, but a tad stiffer.
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The Oregon line isn't 1100 or 1200. It's more like 4040A, but a tad stiffer.
Thank You. Hadnt used any so not a clue.
So Oregon makes their own brand of fuel lines then?
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I dont have any decent glass jars ....... will stop off at the dollar store and grab a couple with lids
I will get pics up of all lines before they go into the jar
Nate gave me some 4040, Excelon, and I have Oregon 30% and Stens blue 100% (ordered from Nate). There might be another hose in the bag with the 4040, have to check later tonight when I get home
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I dont have any decent glass jars ....... will stop off at the dollar store and grab a couple with lids
I will get pics up of all lines before they go into the jar
Nate gave me some 4040, Excelon, and I have Oregon 30% and Stens blue 100% (ordered from Nate). There might be another hose in the bag with the 4040, have to check later tonight when I get home
What lengths you need? I have 1100 and 1200 if you dont have them.
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Nate gave me about a foot or two of the others ................ lemme see whats in the bag, I thought I saw 2 different Tygons in there, didnt have time to take a good look
Nate might remember what he threw in there ...................... just thinking out loud, I know he ships out lots of boxes, and Lord knows I wouldnt be able to rememberwhat I threw into who's box.
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I need a new fuel line for the 394. Wonder if the Echo line will fit?
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The Oregon line isn't 1100 or 1200. It's more like 4040A, but a tad stiffer.
Thank You. Hadnt used any so not a clue.
So Oregon makes their own brand of fuel lines then?
Yep. They catalog the Oregon branded 30% eth line as well as Tygon 4040A. Seems redundant....
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I need a new fuel line for the 394. Wonder if the Echo line will fit?
The Echo 3mm x 6mm line will be the closest match to the OEM Husky line. It will be a tad tighter in the tank hole. The 3mm x 5mm will be too loose.
The OEM Husky line is around 3mm x 5.5mm by my measurements. Closest Tygon/Oregon size is .117" x .211". That's why I would like to see the Stens True Blue line available in that size.
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I dont have any decent glass jars ....... will stop off at the dollar store and grab a couple with lids
I will get pics up of all lines before they go into the jar
Nate gave me some 4040, Excelon, and I have Oregon 30% and Stens blue 100% (ordered from Nate). There might be another hose in the bag with the 4040, have to check later tonight when I get home
What lengths you need? I have 1100 and 1200 if you dont have them.
OK ......... here is the scoop;
Nate sent me some Tygon 4040 and Excelon to add to the Stens blue I ordered. I also have the Oregon 30% and some Great Planes Nitro 4140 tubing. They are all in a jar of 2 cycle mix pump gas regular 87 octane with (supposedly 10%, but tested at 15%) ethanol.
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How long of pieces you using?
Do you want me to cut some 1100 1200 and stick in a envelope?
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Sure !!
I threw in pieces about 4 inches long ..........
This will be great ......... everything popular in one jar.
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Sure !!
I threw in pieces about 4 inches long ..........
This will be great ......... everything popular in one jar.
Just seen this.
Will go out next week Monday then. I missed it today Sat with OT.
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Fantastic !!!
Thanks Cut4fun !!!
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SOB I must have used both sizes of the LP-1100 up notta left. @Eccentric you got a piece of 1100 you could send him?
I got the LP-1200 cut just now in the small .80 and made sure 1200 could be seen on it.
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1200 went out in the mail today. Sorry about the 1100. Didnt know I had used it all up. :-[
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ran into some older blue line on a weedeater it will not swell at all. where it enters fuel tank may even shrink slightly. allowing tank to leak may be best to use plastic grommets. to prevent future leakage
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SOB I must have used both sizes of the LP-1100 up notta left. @Eccentric you got a piece of 1100 you could send him?
I got the LP-1200 cut just now in the small .80 and made sure 1200 could be seen on it.
I think I do. Will have to look.
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Its all good Cut4fun !!
I will throw in that line as soon as it arrives !
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Hobby shop nitro fuel tubing (4140) swelled considerably ........... i consider it the first to fail with ethanol in the gas
Interesting though, my hedge trimmer has this tubing on it for a few years now, only seen gasoline without ethanol and VP SEF
All other tubing is looking good as of now
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Wow = Hobby shop nitro fuel tubing 4140 swelling. That was quick. So is that stuff close to the yellow tygon 4040?
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This stuff is very soft and ultra flexible, made to conform to small areas in model planes. I believe it is vastly different from anything Tygon has for fuel. I will try to snip a piece for you between getting home later tonight and leaving early tomorrow morning
Looks like I will take lunch tomorrow and hit the Post Office .......... (AWS needs re-certifying too).
Have @Gatekeeper chains and some other stuff going out with yours
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That 4140 never did hold up to even the old regular non ethanol gasoline.
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The nitro fuel hobby shop line will most likely be silicon. That stuff is intended for methanol fuel with varying amounts of nitromethane in it. The swelling you're seeing has nothing to do with the ethanol in your fuel. It's the gasoline. Silicon line has no tolerance for gasoline....
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Dammit I forgot to check to see if I had any 1100LP to send out. Been so busy lately that I don't know whether to wind my butt or scratch my watch.....
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He has all 3 now @Eccentric so he dont need it. Heck mine got lost in the mail = USPS, grrrrrr
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The nitro fuel hobby shop line will most likely be silicon. That stuff is intended for methanol fuel with varying amounts of nitromethane in it. The swelling you're seeing has nothing to do with the ethanol in your fuel. It's the gasoline. Silicon line has no tolerance for gasoline....
I actually have this line on my hedge trimmer for a few years now .......... no swelling at all
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That is unusual behavior for that type of line when exposed to gasoline...
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That is unusual behavior for that type of line when exposed to gasoline...
Been running it with VP SEF ............ maybe thats the difference for that line ?
I will get a picture later today after I get home.
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That is unusual behavior for that type of line when exposed to gasoline...
Been running it with VP SEF ............ maybe thats the difference for that line ?
I will get a picture later today after I get home.
The problems with silicon line come when running gasoline. The presence or absence of ethanol in the gasoline shouldn't matter. I'm not doubting what you're saying BTW................just saying that it's very unusual for silicon line to hold up fine to continued exposure to gasoline.....
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I got me an envelope this morning
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I got me an envelope this morning
LOL I forgot all about this and wrote it off lost in the mail. So how long did it take to travel 1 state away?
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Its been a few weeks for sure !!!
What would one use this line for ??
Its too small for anything normal, must be for under 20cc stuff ............. this stuff is barely wider than my Bic pen ink
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Its been a few weeks for sure !!!
What would one use this line for ??
Its too small for anything normal, must be for under 20cc stuff ............. this stuff is barely wider than my Bic pen ink
42cc etc Plastic poulan uses it for 1 of its lines and some weedeaters.
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Its been a few weeks for sure !!!
What would one use this line for ??
Its too small for anything normal, must be for under 20cc stuff ............. this stuff is barely wider than my Bic pen ink
42cc etc Plastic poulan uses it for 1 of its lines and some weedeaters.
A in this pic I did awhile back.
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3429.0;attach=7485;image)
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Done using that LP1200 small line. When it went through carb base and then through the smaller tank hole. After pulled through it didnt regain it's shape. Using the tygon 4040 from now on for the small line.
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@DefinitiveDave what was that Oregon fuel line you put in the first gift box with the other lines. It is stiffer like some of these newer lines.
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That was the Oregon branded line that's rated for up to 30% ethanol.
For example:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0018U248M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1450849623&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=oregon+fuel+line
OK break's over. Back inside for another hour...
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That was the Oregon branded line that's rated for up to 30% ethanol.
For example:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0018U248M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1450849623&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=oregon+fuel+line
OK break's over. Back inside for another hour...
The more I use that line, the more that I like it
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well fiddlesticks I zoned out before the part of the thread where it turns out the stuff I got might not suck after all, I haven't been recommending it to guys because I thought "fire good - tygon bad - Frankenstein hungry"
It is also on the pricy side, which is fine if it is good stuff, not so much if it turns to goo in fuel.
I got to pay more attention
Dave
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Dave fear not. The stuff you sent me has been working well so far. Of course........I run zero-eth fuel.
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zero eth is cheating man :)
that's like saying your Subaru can handle literally any terrain....because you welded it to the top of an Abrams M1
Dave
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LOL
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That was the Oregon branded line that's rated for up to 30% ethanol.
For example:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0018U248M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1450849623&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=oregon+fuel+line
Put this in the return lines of 2 mini tillers yesterday.
Thanks Dave for the line to test you sent back then.
Ethanol 93 with Klotz KL-200 still 32:1
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Put tygon 1200 line from the tank to carb on the new to me older craftsman mini tiller. So have 2 different ones to watch now side by side.
That new oregon 30% and the tygon 1200
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I still havent figured out what the poulan 4218 had for oem line that did this.
But I also just found a poulan 2700 that did this. Looking back at the thread I am thinking I might have used tygon 1100 but not real sure if I ended up replacing that afterwords. What ever I had in it the lining separated on the tank vent and fuel line.
Had white letters and said mfg in saint gobain I think I could make out.
Took pics. Will load later of 2700 line. Replaced today with the blue stens for fuel and afm echo vent line.
4218
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5437.0;attach=18590;image)
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Can someone check their tygon 1100 line and see if they have this on them too.
Also pic of the redone lines is before I tucked the vent line away.
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I've got the LP1100 merle sent me in 3 things now. 2150 - mini tiller with homelite weedeater head - 2700
This is what I was looking for. 1100 was in the 2700.
2 years the 1100 failed shown in the pics. Wasnt even used much or set with fuel in the tank.
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Sure !!
I threw in pieces about 4 inches long ..........
This will be great ......... everything popular in one jar.
How is your fuel line test looking? I am seeing some failures here now.
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I need a new fuel line for the 394. Wonder if the Echo line will fit?
The Echo 3mm x 6mm line will be the closest match to the OEM Husky line. It will be a tad tighter in the tank hole. The 3mm x 5mm will be too loose.
The OEM Husky line is around 3mm x 5.5mm by my measurements. Closest Tygon/Oregon size is .117" x .211". That's why I would like to see the Stens True Blue line available in that size.
Just saving Nate's site links to fuel lines.
@Nathaniel Vansickle is your tygon below 4040?
tygon .080 x .140 http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/080-x-140-tygon-fuel-line
tygon 3/32 x 3/16 http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/3-32-x-3-16-tygon-fuel-line
echo oem 3mm x 5mm http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/echo-fuel-line-bulk-3mmx5mmx2000mm26ft-90014-black
echo oem 3mm x 6mm http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/echo-fuel-line-bulk-3mmx6mmx2000mm26ft-90015-black
echo oem 3mm x 7mm http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/echo-fuel-line-bulk-3mmx7mmx2000mm26ft-90016-black
Stens True Blue ID: 3/32" OD: 3/16" 100% Ethanol Compatable http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/stens-true-blue-id-3-32-od-3-16-100-ethanol-compatable
Stens True Blue ID: 3/32" OD: 5/32" 100% Ethanol Compatable http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/stens-true-blue-id-3-32-od-5-32-100-ethanol-compatable
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I need a new fuel line for the 394. Wonder if the Echo line will fit?
The Echo 3mm x 6mm line will be the closest match to the OEM Husky line. It will be a tad tighter in the tank hole. The 3mm x 5mm will be too loose.
The OEM Husky line is around 3mm x 5.5mm by my measurements. Closest Tygon/Oregon size is .117" x .211". That's why I would like to see the Stens True Blue line available in that size.
Just saving Nate's site links to fuel lines.
@Nathaniel Vansickle is your tygon below 4040?
tygon .080 x .140 http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/080-x-140-tygon-fuel-line
tygon 3/32 x 3/16 http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/3-32-x-3-16-tygon-fuel-line
echo oem 3mm x 5mm http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/echo-fuel-line-bulk-3mmx5mmx2000mm26ft-90014-black
echo oem 3mm x 6mm http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/echo-fuel-line-bulk-3mmx6mmx2000mm26ft-90015-black
echo oem 3mm x 7mm http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/echo-fuel-line-bulk-3mmx7mmx2000mm26ft-90016-black
Stens True Blue ID: 3/32" OD: 3/16" 100% Ethanol Compatable http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/stens-true-blue-id-3-32-od-3-16-100-ethanol-compatable
Stens True Blue ID: 3/32" OD: 5/32" 100% Ethanol Compatable http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel/products/stens-true-blue-id-3-32-od-5-32-100-ethanol-compatable
Tygon is 4040
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Sure !!
I threw in pieces about 4 inches long ..........
This will be great ......... everything popular in one jar.
How is your fuel line test looking? I am seeing some failures here now.
Any updates on the new lines anyone? @Moparmyway
Any long term on the blue stens?
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put true blue on a lot of cheap weedeaters. green and troybilt sometimes leaks where it goes through plastic tank but if you move it to a new spot on line it reseals. seems to shrink where tank presses on it. after a year no real failures.all I use is 3/16.
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Update on the test jar coming up
I'll check later this afternoon and report back, hopefully with pictures too
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@ What was that Oregon fuel line you put in the first gift box with the other lines. It is stiffer like some of these newer lines.
That was the Oregon branded line that's rated for up to 30% ethanol.
For example:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0018U248M/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1450849623&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=oregon+fuel+line
OK break's over. Back inside for another hour...
The more I use that line, the more that I like it
fish looked up the new oregon fuel lines in a catalog. More info in pics.
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FAIL
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FAIL
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Back into the tank for more
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Oregon 30% went back in too. Must of forgotten to grab a pic. I'll take one when I finally get home
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Thanks @Moparmyway for the updates.
Also when I take that pic of that new 3.3 tank area for ya. You will see another new line someone is using. Like a solid orange reddish color and very pliable. Like that solid grey line I ran across in a saw a local dealer was using.
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Here is the red and grey fuel line I have seen come in. The grey was being used by a local dealer and is very pliable but slippery.
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6060.0;attach=18919;image)
The grey line one. The fuel filter would not stay in because it was so slippery and fall off into tank. This was grey line was installed by a dealer.
I put the little tie strap on it for the guy and never had a problem afterwords.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2002envoy/36cccraftsman505dawgs001.jpg)
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The grey looks like silicon line ??
Soooo ................
The Tygon LP1100 and the Great Planes 4140 Glow fuel tubing have failed, everything else has stood the test of time (just about a full year) submerged in 87 octane gas with 15% (as tested) ethanol with Echo 2 cycle oil mixxed in.
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i use the solid grey on weedeater tanks with hole in bottom. seem to leak less. the older poulon pros hard to seal off,
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Do you have a link for the stuff ?
Who makes it and whats it made from ?
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looks like a rotary product http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gray-Fuel-Line-For-Homelite-McCulloch-Trimmers-Saws-70310-98-Rotary-8645-Per-Ft-/232056770378?hash=item3607a94f4a:g:PKIAAOSwawpXu0Fk 50 foot rolls 32 bucks
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Updated. Using mainly echo oem black fuel lines in 3mm x 5mm and 3mm x 6mm now. Still tygon 4040 in that small line .80 x .140
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It seems like the biggest problem with the fuel lines is that the inside is good stuff, but the outside is not made to hold up to ethanol. I sent a message to saint gobain, asking if they had product that they could recommend to sit long term in a tank of gasoline (or gasoline with ethanol). I don't think the people designing and making the line even know how the stuff gets used in many small engine applications. two layer tubing is just fine when it's external to the fuel tank.
I'm trying to come up with a way to screw a barbed fitting into the tank on a weed eater or chainsaw where the fuel line passes through so that something totally fuel resistant can go on the inside, and anything fuel resistant on the inside can work external to the tank. That blue stuff mentioned that seems to shrink where long term pressure is applied would maybe work better if it didn't have to pass through that hole in the tank.
The biggest problem with all of this stuff is that the stuff that is resistant to gas is not resistant enough to ethanol and/or water and vice versa. If I hear back from st. gobain regarding in-tank use, I'll let y'all know. The 1200 is listed on their website as being submersible. but they don't say in what.
https://www.processsystems.saint-gobain.com/sites/imdf.processsystems.com/files/fluid-transfer-tubing-tygon-versilon.pdf
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Saint gobain in pic. I wont use their tygon in 1100 1200 1500 anymore either. All of them their ethanol fuel lines. Just their 4040 in small lines and just did in their 1/4"
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looks like the inside is good, but the outside is not! exactly what I was thinking would happen. these are smart people, I'm surprised no OEM is asking them to make stuff that is good inside and out to use in weed eaters and chainsaws.
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looks like the inside is good, but the outside is not! exactly what I was thinking would happen. these are smart people, I'm surprised no OEM is asking them to make stuff that is good inside and out to use in weed eaters and chainsaws.
That was just about 1 year and not much use. Now here is what the inside part does with more time and use. saint goblin too. Comes oem in 4218 5020
Which causes this when the liner fails in both of my pics. The inner liner fails and separates. Lets fines by and then clogs carb.
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crazy. I'm gonna stick with the 4040 and ethanol free gas.
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My dad and I replaced the fuel line on his 80's Poulan a short few years ago after the original line turned hard and broke. We hardly used it and foolishly kept ethanol fuel in it. I went to use it late last year and long story short the new fuel line (unknown brand) had gotten hard and broke off at in tank filter.
Searching around I found this site and saw that you guys were testing fuel line and not even LP-1200 was cutting it. I emailed with makers of Tygon explaining issues you guys had with LP-1200 and they said they were coming out with LP-1300 to mitigate the outer layer failing.
Was wondering 1) has anyone tried the new LP-1300 and 2) if there was any other line that ya'll were using that can withstand being submerged in 10% and greater ethanol?
Thanks, Chuck
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Not sure have you checked this thread to see if anyone posted on it http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/ported-saws/fuel-lines-tygon-etc/
Few good choices in the thread
Also which poulan?
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I do everything with echo oem fuel lines bought in bulk from Nate. 3x5 3x6 does about all of them.
I still use the oem tygon 4040 small line in .140 x .080 etc for the small poulan saws with the tiny line and weedeaters.
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I don't have the saw here right now but I THINK it's a 3400 or 3700? Should have it after this weekend so I'll know for sure.
I did read through that thread and it doesn't seem like any of the lines that have to go into the tank with a weighted fuel filter hold up well to 15% as tested ethanol and prolonged exposure.
Are you saying the Echo oem line does?
Also, I asked for a quote for the 3000' of LP-1300, they promptly got back to me: its like $2000. Just a LITTLE out of my price range seeing as I need like 2-3'. :)
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I think I just used tygon 4040 and echo oem black lines for these. Used for tank vent and fuel line. Easy saws to work on.
Oregon has a fuel line good for up to 30% = it was mentioned in that thread
Need about a foot or so total total 9 - 10 fuel line 3-5 tank vent
Dont forget the duckbill in rear inside tank for duckbill and plastic barb deal etc
I have yet to see any problems with my echo oem black lines I am running. Unlike that 1100 1200 and that other garbage St Gobain puts in some saws oem
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I will have to go back and read that thread then as I though the Oregon stuff degraded as well. If the Echo stuff is holding up then so be it, I'm not tied to any line manufacturer.
Who is this Nate guy you buy from? It sounds like he's got genuine line and not knockoff ebay stuff, I'd like to go to same place if I can to ensure I'm getting the same stuff.
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Nate has to websites and is in Ohio and dealer
new https://www.performanceoutdoorequipment.com/
I get around the older site better https://performance-outdoor-equipment.myshopify.com/
I use the black oem echo lines https://performance-outdoor-equipment.myshopify.com/collections/carburetor-and-fuel?page=3
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Thanks Cut4fun, I will go grab some from him then, appreciate it!
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Hi Cut4Fun,
First, my saw is a Poulan 3400.
I'm finally getting around to this now that weather is nice enough here. Looking back from when we re-did the fuel line and carb, I was asking Tygon about needing 1/8 ID x 3/16 OD, so that's what would be stock.
Thing is, that site you get your line from has Echo line in mm. The closest I can see is 3mm by 5mm. Using Google conversion calc, 1/8 = 3.175mm and 3/16 = 4.7625mm. My questions are:
1.) If the ID is 3mm and I should have 3.175mm, is that going to be too tight when I put it on carb and vent (duckbill)?
2.) If the OD is 5mm and I should have 4.7625mm, am I going to have to enlarge the tank holes? This isn't a large problem I can always drill it out just wondering if you've ever needed to do this?
For anyone reading this thread, still no mention of Tygon LP-1300 online as of today...
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I dont have to do anything different running the 3x5 or even the 3x6 on the newer series poulans.
I have never ran the echo like in the CV 3400 3700 4000 to know for sure. But the later 3000 3300 etc if I recall right uses same size fuel lines and vent line. If so I have no issues using the 3x5 oem echo black line.
Hoped that helped.
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Yes, helped. Of course I waited too long and the 3x5 black is not available. Going to contact him to see if that is permanent and/or if he has shorter pieces (I need a 12-13" not 26' or whatever it is lol). If he doesn't have it I'll look on Amazon using his part number...
Thanks again for the help!
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Yes, helped. Of course I waited too long and the 3x5 black is not available. Going to contact him to see if that is permanent and/or if he has shorter pieces (I need a 12-13" not 26' or whatever it is lol). If he doesn't have it I'll look on Amazon using his part number...
Thanks again for the help!
3x5? I can cut 18" or 24" off for ya and put in a envelope.
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That would be awesome, thanks! I will PM you my address and to get a paypal addy for you.
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24" of 3x5 and 12" of 3x6 in there for ya.
Pic sent to your pp email.
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Got it, thanks! Now gotta order another carb rebuild kit, who knows how much crap I sucked up using w/o a filter...freaking Ethanol... :(
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I just read through this entire thread since my 8 year old lightly used Echo CS-310 looks like it's due for new fuel lines. I've always used ethanol free gas and Echo's 2 stroke oil. Even leave gas in it for a year at a time. Good to know the best fuel line to use is Echo's 90014 rubber line. Also glad down here in Louisiana I can still get ethanol free gas somewhat easily, about a 15 mile trip towards Baton Rouge..
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Echo oem 3x5 and 3x6 I buy by the 26' rolls
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I dont have to do anything different running the 3x5 or even the 3x6 on the newer series poulans.
I have never ran the echo like in the CV 3400 3700 4000 to know for sure. But the later 3000 3300 etc if I recall right uses same size fuel lines and vent line. If so I have no issues using the 3x5 oem echo black line.
Hoped that helped.
I can say now been running the echo black lines in the older 3400 3700 3800 4000 for years now. 3mm 5mm 90014
For fuel and tank vent lines. Just to update.