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Title: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 17, 2014, 07:56:48 pm
Just trying to put a thread together of the light weight bars offered to folks.

Good read from Madsen's on light weight bars.   http://www.madsens1.com/bnc_lightweightbar.htm
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 17, 2014, 07:57:35 pm
SUGIHARA LIGHT WEIGHT GUIDE BARS    http://www.hev.com/sugihara.php

Thread with more sugi hara info  http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chain/sugihara-bars-info-and-guide/


(http://www.hev.com/images/pic3.jpg)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 18, 2014, 12:47:27 pm
Oregon Power Match Reduced Weight Bar  http://www.oregonproducts.com/pro/products/bars/powermatch_ReducedWeight.htm

(http://photo.blsnelling.com/Chainsaws/Oregon-Reduced-Weight-Bar/IMG4153/690356481_nxDku-M.jpg)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 18, 2014, 12:52:11 pm
 TSUMURA Light Weight  Bar  http://www.suehiroseiko.jp/download/catalogue_en.pdf


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/296558_340770269344720_1488498187_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 18, 2014, 12:53:41 pm
STIHL ROLLOMATIC ES Light bar  http://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/guide-bars/eslight/
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 18, 2014, 12:55:43 pm
Husqvarna TechLite bar  http://www.husqvarna.com/us/press-listing/new-techlite-chain-saw-bar,-twenty-seven-percent-lighter/
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: mdavlee . on March 18, 2014, 03:31:00 pm
I've got to use all of them that you've got info for. My favorite for the cost/lightweight/stiffness is the stihl, techlite, tsumura, oregon, and sugi.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 18, 2014, 03:36:31 pm
Mike = Which would you choose in a husky mount without using a spacer for stihl bar to fit husky.  Just wondering, I'm not in the market.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: mdavlee . on March 18, 2014, 05:49:09 pm
Techlite, tsumura, or Oregon. I buy stihl mount every thing and run a spacer.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Ducksnuff870 on March 19, 2014, 08:30:33 am
Techlite, tsumura, or Oregon. I buy stihl mount every thing and run a spacer.
me too
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Reddog on March 19, 2014, 09:36:46 am
Is there a US supplier/dealer for TSUMURA lights?
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on March 19, 2014, 10:00:17 am
Looking for a source also! So far, nada.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: mdavlee . on March 19, 2014, 03:53:15 pm
No US supplier.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 19, 2014, 06:11:52 pm
TSUMURA light bars

Thinking this guy could be a member here. Not sure.  Canada.  http://www.thechainsawstore.com/

 Canadian Distributer David Milliken
Contact Info:

    Email: thechainsawguy@gmail.com
    Phone: 1-250-282-0001
    958 Despins Rd Sayward BC, V0P 1R0

Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Reddog on March 19, 2014, 07:32:57 pm
Thanks for the contact info.   :)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: mdavlee . on March 19, 2014, 10:06:20 pm
That's the guy to get with for them.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun on June 09, 2014, 12:42:58 pm
Just reposting info.

Techlite bar has been discontinued as of right now. They are redesigning the bars and at some point they will be launched again but it probably won't be until next season.

Techlite bar is no longer available till they get it revamped

Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: mdavlee . on June 09, 2014, 10:55:50 pm
Gregg from left coast supply was asking about having gb to make some lightweight bars. I hope it pans out. I like the pro top and titanium bars they have.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: fisaw on June 26, 2015, 01:35:00 pm
Stihl rollomatic E Light   14"    ~ 370 grams   ( price was 41eur )
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/Elight35.jpg)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on June 26, 2015, 02:38:40 pm
Stihl rollomatic E Light   14"    ~ 370 grams   ( price was 41eur )


Just converting to lbs for us other folks.  Thanks for sharing.

370 grams = 0.81571lbs

stihl 3005 mount? stihl 250 - 020 200T?
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: jmester on June 26, 2015, 10:25:28 pm
3005 is for 200-250
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: HolmenTree on June 28, 2015, 01:25:45 am
Limited  life on these green Stihl  E bars. Before you know it the laminted rails spread  beyond  repair.
Best lightweight  bar are the new Cannon Super Mini (reborn Windsor Mini Pro) with a better grade of steel.
I got both from an order from Bailey's and a batch of Windsor Minis I found from a clearing house. Even got a good stock of sprocket tips. In 1/4. 3/8 LoPro , .325 and 3/8 standard.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: fisaw on November 11, 2015, 02:49:57 pm
New stihl bar , 12" light bar "7405" ,  (my "favorite" bar length , no extra weight /length  )  +  chain and bar weighs around  46x grams.  Back to the forest tomorrow  :)

(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/ms200113.jpg)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Nathaniel Vansickle on November 14, 2015, 05:32:06 pm
Tsumara Light and Tough are available in the USA now. 20, 24,28 3/8 .050 for large husky and 12mm Stihl.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/22598031957_29a3576e41_h.jpg
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: HolmenTree on November 17, 2015, 01:44:12 am
  I think Stihl has the best selection of lightweight bars on the market, nice and stiff too.

BTW I think I built the worlds first functional lightweight bar 32yrs ago way back in 1983.  :D
I copied the idea off old Mac designs from the 1950's but made it functional by filling the cutout holes with JB Weld and aluminium plates
Still holding fine today.

Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 01, 2015, 09:05:26 am
Tsumara Light and Tough are available in the USA now. 20, 24,28 3/8 .050 for large husky and 12mm Stihl.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/22598031957_29a3576e41_h.jpg

Total and Total Light sold by Nate above. For the member that was looking. ;)  http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/total-super-bars
Title: New Oregon Lightweight Professional Bars
Post by: Philbert on December 05, 2015, 12:03:41 am
Oregon is introducing a new line of lightweight 'professional' guide bars.  As I understand, they are laminated bars with an aluminum core, and no sprocket lubrication holes (big change for Oregon).  No RSN models planned.  Available in 'Spring - Summer 2016'?

(Quoted from an Oregon Rep - edited for length.)

"These bars use completely new sprocket nose assemblies which are designed to outlast the bar rails. Our lab testing and field testing . . . have confirmed this.

. . . the nose shield is packed with grease at assembly and its purpose is twofold: 1) it keeps the grease in the nose while still allowing the bar and chain oil to enter the nose assembly for continual lubrication and 2) it prevents debris from entering the nose and causing wear on the nose components. So there will no longer be a need to add grease to the nose as long as you are using bar and chain oil.

. . . the new design(s) also feature our LubriTec system which has an angled oil hole at the tail that increases the velocity of the oil that is delivered to the chain and bar for better lubrication.

. . . these bars will eventually replace the Pro-Lite family.

- 'SpeedCut' is a narrow kerf (micro-lite) bar . . . for use . . . on saws up to 55 cc

- 'ControlCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with small nose radius which helps prevent kickback . . .

- 'VersaCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with large nose radius which are suitable for use in a variety of applications."



Illustration from the 2016 Oregon Forestry Catalog
http://content.yudu.com/web/y5b2/0A...h/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=#noRedirect

Philbert
Title: Re: New Oregon Lightweight Professional Bars
Post by: Nathaniel Vansickle on December 07, 2015, 08:40:46 pm
Oregon is introducing a new line of lightweight 'professional' guide bars.  As I understand, they are laminated bars with an aluminum core, and no sprocket lubrication holes (big change for Oregon).  No RSN models planned.  Available in 'Spring - Summer 2016'?

(Quoted from an Oregon Rep - edited for length.)

"These bars use completely new sprocket nose assemblies which are designed to outlast the bar rails. Our lab testing and field testing . . . have confirmed this.

. . . the nose shield is packed with grease at assembly and its purpose is twofold: 1) it keeps the grease in the nose while still allowing the bar and chain oil to enter the nose assembly for continual lubrication and 2) it prevents debris from entering the nose and causing wear on the nose components. So there will no longer be a need to add grease to the nose as long as you are using bar and chain oil.

. . . the new design(s) also feature our LubriTec system which has an angled oil hole at the tail that increases the velocity of the oil that is delivered to the chain and bar for better lubrication.

. . . these bars will eventually replace the Pro-Lite family.

- 'SpeedCut' is a narrow kerf (micro-lite) bar . . . for use . . . on saws up to 55 cc

- 'ControlCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with small nose radius which helps prevent kickback . . .

- 'VersaCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with large nose radius which are suitable for use in a variety of applications."



Illustration from the 2016 Oregon Forestry Catalog
http://content.yudu.com/web/y5b2/0A...h/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=#noRedirect

Philbert

I have had the new catalog for a month or better and had yet to notice the new bars.
200VXLHK095 $55.19 list price but realistically can be bought for around $45. not a bad price when compared to other light weight bars. might have to try one out and see what the weight is

Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Philbert on December 07, 2015, 09:02:24 pm
I have had the new catalog for a month or better and had yet to notice the new bars.

I saw it in a new products video from GIE, so was sort of looking for them.

Philbert
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 17, 2015, 02:43:56 pm
Oregon is introducing a new line of lightweight 'professional' guide bars.  As I understand, they are laminated bars with an aluminum core, and no sprocket lubrication holes (big change for Oregon).  No RSN models planned.  Available in 'Spring - Summer 2016'?

(Quoted from an Oregon Rep - edited for length.)

"These bars use completely new sprocket nose assemblies which are designed to outlast the bar rails. Our lab testing and field testing . . . have confirmed this.

. . . the nose shield is packed with grease at assembly and its purpose is twofold: 1) it keeps the grease in the nose while still allowing the bar and chain oil to enter the nose assembly for continual lubrication and 2) it prevents debris from entering the nose and causing wear on the nose components. So there will no longer be a need to add grease to the nose as long as you are using bar and chain oil.

. . . the new design(s) also feature our LubriTec system which has an angled oil hole at the tail that increases the velocity of the oil that is delivered to the chain and bar for better lubrication.

. . . these bars will eventually replace the Pro-Lite family.

- 'SpeedCut' is a narrow kerf (micro-lite) bar . . . for use . . . on saws up to 55 cc

- 'ControlCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with small nose radius which helps prevent kickback . . .

- 'VersaCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with large nose radius which are suitable for use in a variety of applications."



Illustration from the 2016 Oregon Forestry Catalog
http://content.yudu.com/web/y5b2/0A...h/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=#noRedirect

Philbert

(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3293.0;attach=16090;image)

These remind me of the techlite bars for the smaller huskys. 



Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Nathaniel Vansickle on January 11, 2016, 05:28:23 pm
just weighed these for fun the other day. good example of why the lightweight bars are popular.
20" 3/8 .050 bars for all.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1642/24214212892_3c6c5f2206_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CTJaTb)20 stihl bar weights 024 (https://flic.kr/p/CTJaTb) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Stihl ES 30030008822

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1479/24239912691_15d8b36680_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CVZTxa)20 stihl bar weights 025 (https://flic.kr/p/CVZTxa) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Total Super T202FV4

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1530/24296252276_068b943cd6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D1YDkj)20 stihl bar weights 026 (https://flic.kr/p/D1YDkj) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Total Super Light and Tough T202FK4
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 11, 2016, 06:29:11 pm
11 ounces lighter then the ES bar.  :o

Nice  8)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Reddog on January 12, 2016, 08:29:22 am
About the same weight savings in the 24/25" bars also.

All adds up by the end of the day.  :)
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Philbert on December 24, 2016, 12:09:13 am
Took me more than a year to get one!  About 5 ounces lighter than the OEM 20" laminated bar.
Slightly longer mounting slot, and angled oil holes.  Has a dull, almost rough finish.

Philbert
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: jmester on December 24, 2016, 07:53:26 pm
Looks like a nice bar. Would love to know how well it holds up.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: fisaw on December 26, 2016, 03:26:33 pm
Weight/Stiffness is nice
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: HolmenTree on December 26, 2016, 08:25:47 pm
Oregon is on to something there with that Speed Cut bar and 95TXL chain. Looks like a big improvement over the old 95VPX. Almost looks like a high tooth. 325 :D

Oregon also claims to have improved the fit of their bar nose sprocket too.
Title: Oregon speedcut versacut bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 01, 2017, 05:46:51 pm
Oregon speedcut versacut bars

https://youtu.be/My3TD8uxZ3U
Title: SpeedCut Guide Bars
Post by: Philbert on July 14, 2017, 10:45:17 pm
Did some garage research on the 20" SpeedCut bar today, comparing it to a same length Husqvarna, OEM, narrow kerf bar, and a slightly shorter one.

The weight difference is definitely there:
- (? unbranded) 16" nominal length: 21 ounces total weight
- Oregon SpeedCut 20" nominal length: 23.5 ounces
- Husqvarna branded, 20" nominal length; 28.6 ounces
The 20: SpeedCut bar weighs little more than the 16" conventional, laminated, NK bar.

But when I hung the saw to balance freely, the difference between the SpeedCut bar and the OEM bar was minimal (relative angles read off of gravity style protractor attached to the saw hand guard):
- Power Head Only (PHO) - 14
- Power Head with 16" conventional, NK bar - 11
- Power Head with 20" SpeedCut NK bar - 3
- PowerHead with 20" OEM, NK bar - 0

Philbert
Title: SpeedCut Guide Bars
Post by: Philbert on July 14, 2017, 10:50:18 pm
When I measured relative stiffness, there was a noticable difference.  Flexibility is a key concern than I have for NK bars, especially when they get longer.  I don't like sloppy cuts.

I clamped the bars to a sturdy table, attached 15 pound weights to mimic a large power head, and measured the relative deflection between the 2 bars:

The SpeedCut bar flexed only about 1-5/8 inches: the conventional NK bar was closer to 1-7/8 inches. About a 1/4 inch difference. So this SpeedCut bar does appear to be lighter and stiffer. The stiffness is likely to be more noticable with narrow kerf chain users. The reduced weight will probably be more of a factor with longer length bars used with larger pitch chain.

Philbert
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: fisaw on April 20, 2018, 04:52:45 pm
I have to say that the new Oregon nk pro bar "speedcut" has been really good, the saw is clearly lighter with this. For example, a 15" TXLB is around 5.3oz  lighter than the Husqvarna standart / oregon pro lite 16".
The warranty is also good (at least here)  if the bonding fails then i get a new one.

Very good price / quality.
Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 21, 2019, 05:35:02 pm
24" TSu LW 050 and jred was 058

Weighed in ounces. Must have hit wrong button on those in past.

Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: HolmenTree on November 21, 2019, 07:48:54 pm
  I think Stihl has the best selection of lightweight bars on the market, nice and stiff too.

BTW I think I built the worlds first functional lightweight bar 32yrs ago way back in 1983.  :D
I copied the idea off old Mac designs from the 1950's but made it functional by filling the cutout holes with JB Weld and aluminium plates
Still holding fine today.

[img]
Kevin,
I knew I posted my homemade bikesaw light weight bar a while ago on this thread so I went back to make sure.
It was my own photo in my gallery over at Forestry Forum and look what they did.
I also found out they deleted my whole amateur chainsaw competitions thread.Being sponsored by my Husqvarna dealer and lots of videos must have upset their big sponsor...

Anyways here's that picture I took again of my 36 year old lightweight 18" fat belly bar with big roller nose, 2.5 lbs.

Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 22, 2019, 09:37:31 am
That ff site went to that sponsor crap to make money off it. So they started getting real touchy on post.  Now blocking your pics  :D.  So fubarr them ;)

Some good bar info that redbull did on a bunch of different bars.





Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 22, 2019, 12:52:02 pm
I was figuring the oregon powermatch 050 bar to be 1-2 ounce more then the 058. Was right there on used one. I must have sold the new PM ones I had and the copied forester branded one too.  24"

Weighed in ounces, must have hit wrong button in past.



Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun on February 26, 2020, 09:40:59 am
34" oregon reduced weight stihl d025 3003 mount 110dl 3/8 063 



Title: Re: Light weight bars
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 09, 2020, 08:15:57 am
Never heard them say mount or gage.

32 bars:
Sugihara - 4lbs 4oz
Tsumura - 3lbs 9.4oz
Cannon Duralite - 3lbs 10.5oz
Oregon Light - 3lbs 3.4oz
Oregon Power Match- 4lbs 11.2oz

28
Cannon Superbar - 3lbs 13.7oz
Stihl Oilomatic - 3lbs 14.3oz

https://youtu.be/9bhCg1UJbSc