Chainsaw Repair
Chain - Grinders - Filing - Wood Milling - Tools - Welding - Machinist - Mowers - Tillers => Chain - Bars - Grinders - Filing => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on March 17, 2014, 07:56:48 pm
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Just trying to put a thread together of the light weight bars offered to folks.
Good read from Madsen's on light weight bars. http://www.madsens1.com/bnc_lightweightbar.htm
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SUGIHARA LIGHT WEIGHT GUIDE BARS http://www.hev.com/sugihara.php
Thread with more sugi hara info http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/chain/sugihara-bars-info-and-guide/
(http://www.hev.com/images/pic3.jpg)
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Oregon Power Match Reduced Weight Bar http://www.oregonproducts.com/pro/products/bars/powermatch_ReducedWeight.htm
(http://photo.blsnelling.com/Chainsaws/Oregon-Reduced-Weight-Bar/IMG4153/690356481_nxDku-M.jpg)
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TSUMURA Light Weight Bar http://www.suehiroseiko.jp/download/catalogue_en.pdf
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/296558_340770269344720_1488498187_n.jpg)
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STIHL ROLLOMATIC ES Light bar http://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/guide-bars/eslight/
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Husqvarna TechLite bar http://www.husqvarna.com/us/press-listing/new-techlite-chain-saw-bar,-twenty-seven-percent-lighter/
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I've got to use all of them that you've got info for. My favorite for the cost/lightweight/stiffness is the stihl, techlite, tsumura, oregon, and sugi.
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Mike = Which would you choose in a husky mount without using a spacer for stihl bar to fit husky. Just wondering, I'm not in the market.
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Techlite, tsumura, or Oregon. I buy stihl mount every thing and run a spacer.
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Techlite, tsumura, or Oregon. I buy stihl mount every thing and run a spacer.
me too
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Is there a US supplier/dealer for TSUMURA lights?
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Looking for a source also! So far, nada.
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No US supplier.
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TSUMURA light bars
Thinking this guy could be a member here. Not sure. Canada. http://www.thechainsawstore.com/
Canadian Distributer David Milliken
Contact Info:
Email: thechainsawguy@gmail.com
Phone: 1-250-282-0001
958 Despins Rd Sayward BC, V0P 1R0
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Thanks for the contact info. :)
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That's the guy to get with for them.
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Just reposting info.
Techlite bar has been discontinued as of right now. They are redesigning the bars and at some point they will be launched again but it probably won't be until next season.
Techlite bar is no longer available till they get it revamped
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Gregg from left coast supply was asking about having gb to make some lightweight bars. I hope it pans out. I like the pro top and titanium bars they have.
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Husqvarna techlite 28"
(http://photo.blsnelling.com/Chainsaws/Oregon-Reduced-Weight-Bar/i-HDk84Zg/0/M/IMG7353-M.jpg)
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Stihl ES light 28"
(http://photo.blsnelling.com/Chainsaws/Oregon-Reduced-Weight-Bar/i-zrHFzK5/0/M/IMG7351-M.jpg)
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Oregon reduced weight 28"
(http://photo.blsnelling.com/Chainsaws/Oregon-Reduced-Weight-Bar/IMG4157/690356695_ht4UP-M.jpg)
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24" oregon powermatch
(http://www.pbase.com/wyk/image/134607592/large.jpg)
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32" oregon light weight bar
(http://www.pbase.com/wyk/image/133561599/large.jpg)
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16" es
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2820/img20120906024159.jpg)
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16" small husky oregon powermatch
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7275/img20120906024306.jpg)
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16" total bar weight
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9291/img20120906024013.jpg)
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@Gatekeeper just in case you missed westcoasters post.
K095 mount 16" Oregon prolite and Cannon
westcoaster = Both 3/8's .058 16". Not an 18" but i'm sure the results would be similar. a 346 550 balances perfect with a 16" 18" cannon and i feel there is no need to go lighter.
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Thanks Kevin. My dad is wanting a little more reach.
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Thanks Kevin. My dad is wanting a little more reach.
I am just surprised about the Cannon bar being lighter. This is good to know. I would have bet all day against it not knowing.
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Cannon steel is good and different grades of steel weigh a little bit different.
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Stihl rollomatic E Light 14" ~ 370 grams ( price was 41eur )
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/Elight35.jpg)
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Stihl rollomatic E Light 14" ~ 370 grams ( price was 41eur )
Just converting to lbs for us other folks. Thanks for sharing.
370 grams = 0.81571lbs
stihl 3005 mount? stihl 250 - 020 200T?
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3005 is for 200-250
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Limited life on these green Stihl E bars. Before you know it the laminted rails spread beyond repair.
Best lightweight bar are the new Cannon Super Mini (reborn Windsor Mini Pro) with a better grade of steel.
I got both from an order from Bailey's and a batch of Windsor Minis I found from a clearing house. Even got a good stock of sprocket tips. In 1/4. 3/8 LoPro , .325 and 3/8 standard.
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New stihl bar , 12" light bar "7405" , (my "favorite" bar length , no extra weight /length ) + chain and bar weighs around 46x grams. Back to the forest tomorrow :)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/ms200113.jpg)
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(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5783/23016371705_49e710f1b2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/B4SVqV)002 (https://flic.kr/p/B4SVqV) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Total Light and Tough 20" large mount Husky
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/758/23027522771_bf7b62f960_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/B5S5fF)AS 018 (https://flic.kr/p/B5S5fF) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Total Super 20" small mount Husky
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/715/22393601514_c3cc2339b7.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/A7R4xQ)001 (https://flic.kr/p/A7R4xQ) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
SugiHara Light 20" small mount Husky
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Tsumara Light and Tough are available in the USA now. 20, 24,28 3/8 .050 for large husky and 12mm Stihl.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/22598031957_29a3576e41_h.jpg
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I think Stihl has the best selection of lightweight bars on the market, nice and stiff too.
BTW I think I built the worlds first functional lightweight bar 32yrs ago way back in 1983. :D
I copied the idea off old Mac designs from the 1950's but made it functional by filling the cutout holes with JB Weld and aluminium plates
Still holding fine today.
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Tsumara Light and Tough are available in the USA now. 20, 24,28 3/8 .050 for large husky and 12mm Stihl.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5706/22598031957_29a3576e41_h.jpg
Total and Total Light sold by Nate above. For the member that was looking. ;) http://performanceoutdoorequipment.com/collections/total-super-bars
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Oregon is introducing a new line of lightweight 'professional' guide bars. As I understand, they are laminated bars with an aluminum core, and no sprocket lubrication holes (big change for Oregon). No RSN models planned. Available in 'Spring - Summer 2016'?
(Quoted from an Oregon Rep - edited for length.)
"These bars use completely new sprocket nose assemblies which are designed to outlast the bar rails. Our lab testing and field testing . . . have confirmed this.
. . . the nose shield is packed with grease at assembly and its purpose is twofold: 1) it keeps the grease in the nose while still allowing the bar and chain oil to enter the nose assembly for continual lubrication and 2) it prevents debris from entering the nose and causing wear on the nose components. So there will no longer be a need to add grease to the nose as long as you are using bar and chain oil.
. . . the new design(s) also feature our LubriTec system which has an angled oil hole at the tail that increases the velocity of the oil that is delivered to the chain and bar for better lubrication.
. . . these bars will eventually replace the Pro-Lite family.
- 'SpeedCut' is a narrow kerf (micro-lite) bar . . . for use . . . on saws up to 55 cc
- 'ControlCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with small nose radius which helps prevent kickback . . .
- 'VersaCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with large nose radius which are suitable for use in a variety of applications."
Illustration from the 2016 Oregon Forestry Catalog
http://content.yudu.com/web/y5b2/0A...h/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=#noRedirect
Philbert
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Oregon is introducing a new line of lightweight 'professional' guide bars. As I understand, they are laminated bars with an aluminum core, and no sprocket lubrication holes (big change for Oregon). No RSN models planned. Available in 'Spring - Summer 2016'?
(Quoted from an Oregon Rep - edited for length.)
"These bars use completely new sprocket nose assemblies which are designed to outlast the bar rails. Our lab testing and field testing . . . have confirmed this.
. . . the nose shield is packed with grease at assembly and its purpose is twofold: 1) it keeps the grease in the nose while still allowing the bar and chain oil to enter the nose assembly for continual lubrication and 2) it prevents debris from entering the nose and causing wear on the nose components. So there will no longer be a need to add grease to the nose as long as you are using bar and chain oil.
. . . the new design(s) also feature our LubriTec system which has an angled oil hole at the tail that increases the velocity of the oil that is delivered to the chain and bar for better lubrication.
. . . these bars will eventually replace the Pro-Lite family.
- 'SpeedCut' is a narrow kerf (micro-lite) bar . . . for use . . . on saws up to 55 cc
- 'ControlCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with small nose radius which helps prevent kickback . . .
- 'VersaCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with large nose radius which are suitable for use in a variety of applications."
Illustration from the 2016 Oregon Forestry Catalog
http://content.yudu.com/web/y5b2/0A...h/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=#noRedirect
Philbert
I have had the new catalog for a month or better and had yet to notice the new bars.
200VXLHK095 $55.19 list price but realistically can be bought for around $45. not a bad price when compared to other light weight bars. might have to try one out and see what the weight is
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I have had the new catalog for a month or better and had yet to notice the new bars.
I saw it in a new products video from GIE, so was sort of looking for them.
Philbert
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Oregon is introducing a new line of lightweight 'professional' guide bars. As I understand, they are laminated bars with an aluminum core, and no sprocket lubrication holes (big change for Oregon). No RSN models planned. Available in 'Spring - Summer 2016'?
(Quoted from an Oregon Rep - edited for length.)
"These bars use completely new sprocket nose assemblies which are designed to outlast the bar rails. Our lab testing and field testing . . . have confirmed this.
. . . the nose shield is packed with grease at assembly and its purpose is twofold: 1) it keeps the grease in the nose while still allowing the bar and chain oil to enter the nose assembly for continual lubrication and 2) it prevents debris from entering the nose and causing wear on the nose components. So there will no longer be a need to add grease to the nose as long as you are using bar and chain oil.
. . . the new design(s) also feature our LubriTec system which has an angled oil hole at the tail that increases the velocity of the oil that is delivered to the chain and bar for better lubrication.
. . . these bars will eventually replace the Pro-Lite family.
- 'SpeedCut' is a narrow kerf (micro-lite) bar . . . for use . . . on saws up to 55 cc
- 'ControlCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with small nose radius which helps prevent kickback . . .
- 'VersaCut' are standard kerf bars (.050, .058 and .063 gauge) with large nose radius which are suitable for use in a variety of applications."
Illustration from the 2016 Oregon Forestry Catalog
http://content.yudu.com/web/y5b2/0A...h/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=#noRedirect
Philbert
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3293.0;attach=16090;image)
These remind me of the techlite bars for the smaller huskys.
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just weighed these for fun the other day. good example of why the lightweight bars are popular.
20" 3/8 .050 bars for all.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1642/24214212892_3c6c5f2206_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CTJaTb)20 stihl bar weights 024 (https://flic.kr/p/CTJaTb) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Stihl ES 30030008822
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1479/24239912691_15d8b36680_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CVZTxa)20 stihl bar weights 025 (https://flic.kr/p/CVZTxa) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Total Super T202FV4
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1530/24296252276_068b943cd6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D1YDkj)20 stihl bar weights 026 (https://flic.kr/p/D1YDkj) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
Total Super Light and Tough T202FK4
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11 ounces lighter then the ES bar. :o
Nice 8)
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About the same weight savings in the 24/25" bars also.
All adds up by the end of the day. :)
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Total Super Light and Tough 20" 3/8 .050 K095
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1655/26095557914_8eba36c5d1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FKYydj)AS 001 (https://flic.kr/p/FKYydj) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
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@Gatekeeper just in case you missed westcoasters post.
K095 mount 16" Oregon prolite and Cannon
westcoaster = Both 3/8's .058 16". Not an 18" but i'm sure the results would be similar. a 346 550 balances perfect with a 16" 18" cannon and i feel there is no need to go lighter.
I just weighted a Sugihara "Superlight" laminate in 16" (66dl) .325 .058 K095 with a 10t nose. It came out at 690 grams = 1.52 lbs = 1 pound 8.3 oz.
It isn't a surprice to me that the Oregon ProLite weights as much as some RSN bars, as those are heavy for laminated bars.
I'm not claiming my scale is accurate, it is an old mechanical postal scale. :D
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Total Super Light and Tough 20" 3/8 .050 K095
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1655/26095557914_8eba36c5d1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FKYydj)AS 001 (https://flic.kr/p/FKYydj) by nathaniel vansickle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128772764@N05/), on Flickr
My scale just showed 2 pounds 0.4 oz on a similar (.058 though) Tsumura branded bar - so I guess it isn't that far off.
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Familiar looking name brand bar Tsumura with Laser name. Sold at CuttersChoice http://www.cutterschoice.com/templates/product.aspx?ProductGuid=41117&GroupGuid=122
(http://www.cutterschoice.com/catalog/images/zoom/Product_Small/41117_1_ultra_lite_bar.jpg)
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They were using them before. Carlton did some as well but never the lightweight
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They were using them before. Carlton did some as well but never the lightweight
I was only talking about them being in the lightweights.
3 threads on the other laser bars.
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True. I guess any one can get them now in their brand since a few are selling them over here instead of just Tilton
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12" / 30cm SXEA095
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/SXEA095.jpg)
14" / 35cm Rollomatic E Light 3005 000 7409
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/30050007409.jpg)
13" / 32cm 3003 000 6306 3/8LP , 50cc saws
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/30030006306.jpg)
16" / 40cm 3003 000 6313
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/30030006313.jpg)
18" / 45cm 3003 000 6317
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/30030006317.jpg)
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Oregon 15" / 38cm .325" 0.50" Pro-lite 150MPBK095 ( country of origin is missing.. :( )
623g = 1.37LBS
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/150MPBK095.jpg)
COO
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/MPBK095.jpg)
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Just wow even oregon going to China bars.
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Wow....
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"Husqvarna" 16" / 40cm .325" 0.50" ( 508 92 61-66)
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/40cm325050.jpg)
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Wow....
You see where the China made MS250 stihls are being shipped to dealers now. Art stated shop he works at got them in.
In thread China made 250 here.
Waiting on pics.
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Yuck
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For @fisaw Did you see the carbed type II NE 261 pics in thread I told you about?
fisaw pics switched. Seemed like they loaded quicker. Is that what you were fixing?
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12" / 30cm Rollomatic E Light 3005 000 7405 , very light ( ~0.73lbs )
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/Stihl12inchlight.jpg)
For @fisaw Did you see the carbed type II NE 261 pics in thread I told you about?
fisaw pics switched. Seemed like they loaded quicker. Is that what you were fixing?
Yes, thank you
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Took me more than a year to get one! About 5 ounces lighter than the OEM 20" laminated bar.
Slightly longer mounting slot, and angled oil holes. Has a dull, almost rough finish.
Philbert
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Looks like a nice bar. Would love to know how well it holds up.
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Found some pics
15" / 38cm .325" 0.50" 150TXLBK095 , paid 19,50. I also bought a 13" TXLBK095 but I had to return it ( bar sprocket bearing/too much play)
~1.11lbs
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/TXLBK095.jpg)
Aluminum core
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/TXLBK0953.jpg)
Country of Origin
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/TXLBK0952.jpg)
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Weight/Stiffness is nice
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Oregon is on to something there with that Speed Cut bar and 95TXL chain. Looks like a big improvement over the old 95VPX. Almost looks like a high tooth. 325 :D
Oregon also claims to have improved the fit of their bar nose sprocket too.
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Oregon speedcut versacut bars
https://youtu.be/My3TD8uxZ3U
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Did some garage research on the 20" SpeedCut bar today, comparing it to a same length Husqvarna, OEM, narrow kerf bar, and a slightly shorter one.
The weight difference is definitely there:
- (? unbranded) 16" nominal length: 21 ounces total weight
- Oregon SpeedCut 20" nominal length: 23.5 ounces
- Husqvarna branded, 20" nominal length; 28.6 ounces
The 20: SpeedCut bar weighs little more than the 16" conventional, laminated, NK bar.
But when I hung the saw to balance freely, the difference between the SpeedCut bar and the OEM bar was minimal (relative angles read off of gravity style protractor attached to the saw hand guard):
- Power Head Only (PHO) - 14°
- Power Head with 16" conventional, NK bar - 11°
- Power Head with 20" SpeedCut NK bar - 3°
- PowerHead with 20" OEM, NK bar - 0°
Philbert
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When I measured relative stiffness, there was a noticable difference. Flexibility is a key concern than I have for NK bars, especially when they get longer. I don't like sloppy cuts.
I clamped the bars to a sturdy table, attached 15 pound weights to mimic a large power head, and measured the relative deflection between the 2 bars:
The SpeedCut bar flexed only about 1-5/8 inches: the conventional NK bar was closer to 1-7/8 inches. About a 1/4 inch difference. So this SpeedCut bar does appear to be lighter and stiffer. The stiffness is likely to be more noticable with narrow kerf chain users. The reduced weight will probably be more of a factor with longer length bars used with larger pitch chain.
Philbert
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I have to say that the new Oregon nk pro bar "speedcut" has been really good, the saw is clearly lighter with this. For example, a 15" TXLB is around 5.3oz lighter than the Husqvarna standart / oregon pro lite 16".
The warranty is also good (at least here) if the bonding fails then i get a new one.
Very good price / quality.
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24" TSu LW 050 and jred was 058
Weighed in ounces. Must have hit wrong button on those in past.
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I think Stihl has the best selection of lightweight bars on the market, nice and stiff too.
BTW I think I built the worlds first functional lightweight bar 32yrs ago way back in 1983. :D
I copied the idea off old Mac designs from the 1950's but made it functional by filling the cutout holes with JB Weld and aluminium plates
Still holding fine today.
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Kevin,
I knew I posted my homemade bikesaw light weight bar a while ago on this thread so I went back to make sure.
It was my own photo in my gallery over at Forestry Forum and look what they did.
I also found out they deleted my whole amateur chainsaw competitions thread.Being sponsored by my Husqvarna dealer and lots of videos must have upset their big sponsor...
Anyways here's that picture I took again of my 36 year old lightweight 18" fat belly bar with big roller nose, 2.5 lbs.
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That ff site went to that sponsor crap to make money off it. So they started getting real touchy on post. Now blocking your pics :D. So fubarr them ;)
Some good bar info that redbull did on a bunch of different bars.
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I was figuring the oregon powermatch 050 bar to be 1-2 ounce more then the 058. Was right there on used one. I must have sold the new PM ones I had and the copied forester branded one too. 24"
Weighed in ounces, must have hit wrong button in past.
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34" oregon reduced weight stihl d025 3003 mount 110dl 3/8 063
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I was curious how accurate Oregon was on their D025 3003 bar weight. Their site showed 4.8lbs. Well 32 050 3/8 105dl is right there. Weighed my D009 in same to by GB.
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Never heard them say mount or gage.
32 bars:
Sugihara - 4lbs 4oz
Tsumura - 3lbs 9.4oz
Cannon Duralite - 3lbs 10.5oz
Oregon Light - 3lbs 3.4oz
Oregon Power Match- 4lbs 11.2oz
Stihl 32 lightweight is 3lb 3.8oz.
28
Cannon Superbar - 3lbs 13.7oz
Stihl Oilomatic - 3lbs 14.3oz
https://youtu.be/9bhCg1UJbSc
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Never heard them say mount or gage
32 bars:
Sugihara - 4lbs 4oz
Tsumura - 3lbs 9.4oz
Cannon Duralite - 3lbs 10.5oz
Oregon Light - 3lbs 3.4oz
Oregon Power Match- 4lbs 11.2oz
28
Cannon Superbar - 3lbs 13.7oz
Stihl Oilomatic - 3lbs 14.3oz
https://youtu.be/9bhCg1UJbSc
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32" 063 stihl ES bar
Got 6 used in
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New laminated bar with replaceable sugi tips, 24 058 D009 mount.
Tsu light 24" 050 Weighed in ounces conversion to 2lb 11oz
Jred oregon PM 058 Weighed in ounces
Poulan oregon PM 050 Weighed in ounces
Must have hit wrong setting on those 3 in past.
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Bunch of chainsaw bar weights https://pbase.com/wyk/unofficial_chainsaw_bar_weight_gallery
They are already posted in the chainsaw PHO and bar threads board here from back in Jan
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I'll weigh this Forester Platinum stihl mount 3/8 050 84DL in a bit.
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I'll weigh this Forester Platinum stihl mount 3/8 050 84DL in a bit.
Lighter then the ES but heavier then PM
Pic
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Stihl 880 large mount 3002 S2 etc. 36 063 123DL bar weight.
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Oregon E031 25" 3002 14mm weight
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Cannon Duralite superbar 28" stihl 3003
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The new Husky bar in regular 28" that came on the 592. 3/8 93dl compared to a stihl light bar 28" 91dl
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28 powermatch 3/8 050 93dl D009
Chart with some others in 28 most which are stihl 91dl
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Couple more 24 bar weights.
Both new D009.
24 GB 3/8 063 84dl
24 Forester platinum 3/8 050 84dl
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Another guy using a fishing scale deal to hang his 2 new bars on. 3003 mount
20" ES 2.6 lbs for a regular 20 bar = 2lbs 9.6oz
20" ES Light 1.8 lbs for a 20 light bar = 1lb 12.8oz
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4 24" stihl mount bars. Oregon versacut, stihl light, stihl es, sugi light
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3 20" bars stihl mount Tsumura light, Sugi Light, Stihl ES
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24" Farmmac light bar from China
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20 80dl and 78dl 050 058 bars.
18 72dl 050. All 325 K095
Thought all was 20s. Weight someone was asking for to compare.
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This was brought to my attention. 18 Dont be fooled by forester advertising featherlight 30% lighter. All laminated bars.
Forester light weight, Stihl E, Oregon versacut