Chainsaw Repair

Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Echo => Topic started by: leec on May 23, 2014, 01:53:51 pm


Title: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on May 23, 2014, 01:53:51 pm
These both need a new piston.  Cylinders will clean up.  One also needs a coil but at least I got that one for free.  Anybody know where you can get decent after market pistons?  Echo wants about $70.00 each Ouch! I good working order should get $150-$175 each

Thanks for the help,

Lee
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 23, 2014, 02:23:09 pm
Thats the only draw back I have found about echo. OEM parts are high just like stihl.
Then there is no aftermarket parts to buy for replacement for a cheap builder saw.
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mbrogz3000 on May 23, 2014, 07:17:13 pm
After dealing with my ordeal last summer with my CS600p when I NEEDED it operational and thereby becoming a small engine expert in the process, i can say that echo repair parts are priced just like any other real outdoor power equipment...the repair part prices dissuades folks like us from buying broken down equipment and repairing. Only way it would make sense to buy used condition-unknown equipment is when you can buy a piece from a dumpster dive or $10 or so, like I've seen in other threads. The repair part costs drive customers away from paying a dealer (or the DIY guy the same in parts) $225 to fix a $250 saw ...just throw the damn thing away (or strip the basic mechanicals and sell) and buy something else.

I have a semi-background in logistics and can say when you see the $100 carb, $150 block and piston, or $65 handle assembly, you are paying not only for the assembly part itself but for the low quantity production build of that assembly which costs alot more than regular production run, shipment from part-manufacturer to vendor, and all inventory costs. When you conveniently order that part you need from some place online, your also paying for the fact that they actually have it in stock. All additional costs always get pushed to the customer for repair parts. Same BS applies for repair parts with our cars and trucks. 

Hope this helps out anyone wanting to do a resurrection build.
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mountainlake on May 25, 2014, 08:51:40 pm

  At Outdoorpowerparts.com a  CS440 piston and rings is 55.65 right now, I wouldn't even bother with a aftermarket one for around $30 even if they made one as Echo has high quality pistons.  When ordering online it's best to check different sites as the price can be quite a bit different.  Steve
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: KilliansRedLeo on May 26, 2014, 09:46:38 am
Good advice Steve, as usual! However the link you provided does not work.
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mountainlake on May 26, 2014, 01:17:52 pm
http://www.outdoorpartspower.com/p/Echo-Parts-Online

   Try this link.  I see Echo is selling just the cylinders on some models instead of the whole shortblock, around $120 and $50 to $60 for a piston, not much worse than the better aftermarket kits on other saws.    Steve
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 26, 2014, 01:40:41 pm
That works. Thanks. The 1st one took me to a tax filing site.
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mountainlake on May 27, 2014, 07:20:04 am
http://www.powermowersales.com/oemparts#/Echo_%2f%2f_Shindaiwa/CS-400__S%2f%2fN%3a_C10013001001_-_C10013999999/Engine%2c_Short_Block_--_SB1089/8662/8663

  Try this site     $44.17 for a CS400 piston.   Steve

 Also coupon code  VIP10 should give you 10% off
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: brokenbudget on May 27, 2014, 08:27:00 am
http://www.powermowersales.com/oemparts#/Echo_%2f%2f_Shindaiwa/CS-400__S%2f%2fN%3a_C10013001001_-_C10013999999/Engine%2c_Short_Block_--_SB1089/8662/8663

  Try this site     $44.17 for a CS400 piston.   Steve

 Also coupon code  VIP10 should give you 10% off

I've tried ordering from them before and was told they don't ship to canada :-\
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mountainlake on May 27, 2014, 09:03:50 am

  http://www.smallenginepartswarehouse.com/p/parts-lookup#/Echo_%2f%2f_Shindaiwa/CS-400__S%2f%2fN%3a_C09212001001_-_C09212999999/Engine%2c_Short_Block_--_SB1089/16222/8663

  Another site even less $42, don't know if they ship to Canada either. us guys in the US are spoiled  Steve
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: sharkey on May 29, 2014, 08:29:16 am
Good find Steve.  When you buy the oem Echo piston kit, you also receive the small end crank bearing, with the pin, clips, rings and related.  When considering the price of an aftermarket piston for $25-30, the bearing doesnt come with the it.  Figure adding around $15 for the bearing, so the price is actually quite good for oem.   
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mountainlake on May 29, 2014, 11:47:56 am
 
 Plus those OEM CS400 pistons are work of art compared the some aftermarket pistons I've seen, seems like they weigh about 1 ounce.  Steve
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on June 03, 2014, 08:45:45 pm
I've found a deal at Mowpart with 20% off and they will ship to Canada

Thanks for all the input ;)
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on July 06, 2014, 08:22:39 am
One of my 440's has a three piece clamshell design so one could increase the comp quite easily it would seem. It is the latest model of the two and the one that will get the new piston.  The other one also needs a coil as well as a p&c so I'll part it out.
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on August 02, 2014, 06:35:42 pm
I've tried the hammer and chisle to get the clutch off but no luck yet.  I'm looking for a large socket to butcher into a clutch removal tool.  I'm assuming it comes off clockwise.

Lee
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mountainlake on August 03, 2014, 07:23:48 am

 Yes it's left hand thread so turn clockwise facing the clutch .    Steve
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: farmboy on August 03, 2014, 09:02:46 am
I've tried the hammer and chisle to get the clutch off but no luck yet.  I'm looking for a large socket to butcher into a clutch removal tool.  I'm assuming it comes off clockwise.

Lee
That is what I do have made several out of sockets.  Buzz em right off w/impact.
Shep
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on November 09, 2014, 05:23:27 pm
These both need a new piston.  Cylinders will clean up.  One also needs a coil but at least I got that one for free.  Anybody know where you can get decent after market pistons?  Echo wants about $70.00 each Ouch! I good working order should get $150-$175 each

Thanks for the help,

Lee

One actually turned out to be a 4600, still needs a p&c as well as a coil so just a parts saw this one.  Not too bad as the seller gave it to me, so he knew!
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 11, 2014, 12:10:44 pm
There was a running 440 on CL for $20. 

I got a 4500 parts saw here. I like that series of saws 4500 4600 5000 etc
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on June 03, 2015, 04:42:03 pm
Further tothe new piston for my cs440.  I've had trouble removing the clutch and went to the expense of ordering a clutch removal tool.  Having just tried it with my 18volt impact tool the bloody clutch still wont come off. I want to put a breaker bar onto the tool but don't want to break the rod.  Yes I'm trying to undo it by turning clockwise. How about heating it up? ???
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: Giles on June 03, 2015, 10:31:40 pm
I have had similar situations. Since I rebuild as a hobby for a little extra money, I have time to waite and search on ebay.
The last Echo CS520 took over a month to find at a good price.
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: Giles on June 04, 2015, 12:40:29 pm
I have had to use heat a few times. Usually use a small propane burner. I might add that I seldom tighten the clutch with tool. Just spin it tight and REMEMBER to engage chain brake before starting. Then rev about 1/3 throttle with brake released and engage brake or start cutting.
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: mountainlake on June 06, 2015, 06:29:16 am
 
 Any luck getting that clutch off yet.  Steve
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on June 09, 2015, 08:53:30 pm
No not yet.  I've tried heating with propane torch and when I really put pressure on it with a ratchet it feels like something is bending but springs back.  Afraid to break the con rod and make the repair worse than it is.
Thanks,

Lee
Title: Re: picked two more CS-440
Post by: leec on September 08, 2015, 04:46:03 pm
No not yet.  I've tried heating with propane torch and when I really put pressure on it with a ratchet it feels like something is bending but springs back.  Afraid to break the con rod and make the repair worse than it is.
Thanks,

Lee

Ok so took it to a dealer to pop the clutch. Got the P&C apart and my heart sank scoring!  I was sold this saw a s a runner too.

****, but wait it's only aluminum deposits mso it can be removed Yhea!  So far just using steel wool and scotch brite.

Lee