Chainsaw Repair
Chain - Grinders - Filing - Wood Milling - Tools - Welding - Machinist - Mowers - Tillers => Tool Shed => Topic started by: 1manband on September 08, 2015, 10:33:06 am
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....everybody has them. i can never seem to pass them up at a barn sale. some old oddballs. memory lane for some?
1. billings
2. duro
3. proto
4. kmart
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1. indestro......(look and sound like unpolished snap on)
2. S-K wayne
3. Utica tools
4. indestro
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1. s-k and sk wayne
2. snap on
3. & 4. billings
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1. billings vitaloy
2. craftsman (old logo)
3. new britain
4. AC spark plug tools and champion spark checker pen
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Neat idea for a thread. Hope you dont mind but I moved it to the tool shed. Seems a better spot and up the page some.
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Joe, the Billings rachet looks cool. Looks like die cast zinc alloy (Zamak) any idea on the vintage?
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first billings i have seen. wondered if the guts were made with the same metal. took apart to see. only the back cover and on/off switch were made of that metal. it is not steel.
1/2" ratchet......inside looks pretty stout. the gear was at least 3/8" thick, pawl about the same. both steel.
was a S.O.B. to puzzle back together after stepping away after cleaning, eating dinner and a beer. hahaha.
don't think anyone will ever find the need to see how these go together.....but grabbed some pics.
edit. added photo and a couple words.
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......compare that stout gear/pawl design to these.
old craftsman bx.....
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the craftsman bx internals look very similar to the snap shown below.
suggest that you don't take this one apart. bear to get the ball bearing back in the pawl.
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this one is the fleet brand.
best gear in the bunch......but weird gear/pawl setup and does not seem very stout at all.
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some old old hex style socket sets. turn of the century + 20 years don't know yet for sure.
first one is unknown brand, second is new britain brand.
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will operate on some craftsman usa vs new craftsman chinese.........as soon as i can remember where i put the internal snap ring pliers?
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best source i have found so far for figuring out what you have and how old: http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/index.html
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I'm not to stoked on the craftsman 3/8 rachets. Have a couple dead ones in my box. Billings pawl set up looks stout!!
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I'm not to stoked on the craftsman 3/8 rachets. Have a couple dead ones in my box. Billings pawl set up looks stout!!
....hit and miss for me with the craftsman. find that they lock up sometimes. beating them on concrete sometimes frees them. lol.
do have a couple that stuck around since the high-school days.
when they broke...they would either exchange them, or give you a rebuild kit (had to ask for that). the craftsman part numbers changed so much over the years.....after a bit, the rebuild kits were NLA. the only sears around here closed its doors this past spring. it was cool to save up the broken sockets and hand them a hand full. the 7/16" sockets seemed to break the most for me. seen some folks selling the rebuild kits on the interweb sometimes.
so far, the billings looks the best. don't have any recent mac, matco or snappys to look at for comparison.
my most used ratchet is this one. williams 'super ratchet'. need a spanner to take it apart though for a look see.
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Those are pretty cool pictures. I really liked the ones of the insides of the ratchets showing all the different styles and designs. I still have a few older Snapon ratchets that I got when I was around 19 years old and a Proto also.
I am 65.
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Those are pretty cool pictures. I really liked the ones of the insides of the ratchets showing all the different styles and designs. I still have a few older Snapon ratchets that I got when I was around 19 years old and a Proto also.
I am 65.
post them up. the snap on ratchet i posted is from 1934. would be cool to see the design changes over time.
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before i get to ripping up america's most favorite brand.......
here is a husky. bought it about 2000 or so? does not have made in usa stamped into it, so guessing that it's not?
the mechanism resembles a lock cylinder. lever rocker type pawl. fairly thick. works well, but don't think this can be repaired if needed?
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screwdriver used to get 'spiro lock' type ring off. don't use it for pistons these days.
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this brand... not much to compliment on. this is just my opinion. i am tough on tools, would think that folks that care about their tools more than i, would have better luck.
the different sized ratchets vary in design and quality. 1/4" size being imo disposable. 3/8" being best. 1/2" disposable as well.
1/4" have a plastic on/off switch. this is silly, because the on off switch holds and aligns the pawl to the gear. see photo. if this breaks......the pawl cannot make contact with the gear effectively. see photo.
another usa branded ones, the pawl casting was off. it could only make contact in clockwise position. (the plastic on/off switch was not causing this. see photos. all 3.......made in differing decades had this plastic switch.
the above two ratchets usa made. the chinese, was the best of the 3...but worst chrome, and thinnest casting.
oldest ratchet.....1990's was the thickest casting. middle rachet 2000's..........bottom rachet chinese 2010 or abouts?
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next up, the 3/8"
same design as the 1/4"........but with a brass(?) .......on/off switch. much better than the 1/4".
fine tooth gear. cannot tell if it's heat treated, must be. but its black maybe parkerized?
in all pics..............usa made on left 80's?........newer chinese is on right.
chinese gear, with different ball release shown. quality and design lacking.
usa is far better quality in this comparison and heavier made.
the one area where the chinese made one seems better.......is the one extra engagement tooth their pawl casting has......3 teeth to 2. see photo.
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........now the 1/2" 90's? usa model.
different design than the smaller sizes. this one depends on a spring to move the pawl into contact with the gear.
gear is well made.
this wrench is sloppy. it uses two rings to hold the pawl and gear in line. one ring for the on/off switch, the other for the gear. as the on/off switch ring grove wears...the switch becomes sloppy. ring wear shown in photos.
the spring controlled pawl mechanism is not that good. in one of the pics, i am pushing the spring/pawl down with screwdriver.
this would last normal users ok i guess. i have been known to use a 4 pound hammer to help turn things a time or 10. see photo.
the casting is very heavy and strong. have used 2 foot helper pipe on these.
not worth rebuilding. as the spring looses springiness......the wrench gets worse and worse. take it back for another. changing spring in this looks like a bear.