Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Partner => Topic started by: Jeff on January 03, 2012, 07:07:02 pm
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Well I got my Partner 5000 / 500 service manual my nephew bought it for me from e-bay.
In the mean time I have accidently run over one of my 5000's I destroyed the "D" handel ,chain brake cover and recoil cover. I had enough spare parts to rebuild most of it but I will need a chain brake cover.Does anyone have a chain brake cover they would part with? Actuall I would take 2 if I could get them/ you never know.
I have searched and joined 2 other sites but still no luck finding parts.I have joined Chainsaw repair.I will begin looking at old saw shops in my area in Central Maine to see if any are lying about.If anyone knows a good place to look let me know and I will check it out. This was pasted by me from the Tractorbynet forum when it was pointed out to me that I had not made this request here.Thanks Jeff
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I know between me and a few others you should be able to get what ever you need. I have NOS clutch and recoil covers etc.
Could you make a list of what all you need.
Like clutch cover plain or brake parts
Handle
Recoil shell
etc
etc
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Well thanks hotsaw I will hold off for right now though. I have a guy comming tomorrow with a 5000 w/a stuck crank bering. He Says the jug and piston are good and its a complete except for chain and bar saw and chain he $50.00,,,,,Is there anyway to "unstick" an Crank bering ?
Tomorrow I will see a 500 with a broken "D" handel complete saw $50.00
Friday I am going to see a 5000 unknown condition complete saw $20.00
I am planing on buying all of them I would rather you guys are able to keep what ever you have ammased in parts for now anyway. "
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Thats the best way is to buy parts saws for parts. Lot cheaper in long run.
To free up a bad crank bearing. I would split case remove both bearings. Put 2 new bearings in $10 total and 2 new seals and reused crank gasket if you can keep from ripping it. Why chance ruining the saw totally with a iffy $5 crank bearing.
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Well there is a reason I asked that.
First off I did just a moment ago buy a Partner 500 fo $40.00 it has a broken control handel but I have spare pats.I may have listed the saws that I was about to look at in the wrong order.
Now as for the crank bering:
I am prettty handy but not very confidant.I have changed jugs and Pistons, clutchs and stuff but I have NEVER been inside a split case,,, the fact is I have never opened a case. I was reading in my new service manual about spliting the case.It seems that to remove the flywheel you need some special tool.We used to use flywheel pullers in High School but I do not even have one of those .Also I am not sure if I need to compleatly remove the crank from the saw if so is'nt there somthing on the opposite side as well? a oil pump gear sounds about right ? But I am not sure. Then it said the case must be heated up to accept the new seals? Not to sound like a nooby but This kind of scares me some. I have done a lot more thn some people but I am not on par with you guys either. So that is why I was wondering if I could free up the crank bering.I agree withassement though, that I wanted to install new bering and seals as well she would be almost as good as new then. I wonder if there is somebody on this site close to me in Maine that would stand over me while I do that?
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Can I buy the fly wheel puller that is talked about in my service manual still? and also the seal driver and oil pump tool? Or are there other ways to skin this cat ? we used to pull the flywheel by giving the loosend nut a sharp rap with a hammer while prying up on the on the underside of the flywheel.As far as setting the seals I would have most likely used a socket of proper size? but the oil pump,.....Never seen one dont have a clue.
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Oil pump comes right out. The worm gear you will have to redneck make a tool and use heat to pull gear off crank.
Flywheel I just do as you with nut on flat and hit, also have a 3 jaw generic puller that works too.
Seals I use socket.
Bearing heat case knock out and install with sockets or do the vise method with sockets cold. Both work.
My nickles worth.
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The bering advice,... I dont understand maybe it is the way you worded it but what do you mean "know out"? As far as the oil pump yea I ment the worm gear sorry about that.
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Fixed = LOL nah just typing faster then my spelling. Knock out.
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There is a OEM worm gear remover $50. Redneck it with heat and homemade puller or cut off.
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No problem on the type o I do it to.What is the Vice Method?Sorry i did not get back sooner I was sewing a coat problem ,,,,,Jack of some trades and I make a mess with some others.
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Old Iron Logging told me about it and I tried it on the poulan 365 rebuild. Worked like a charm. 1st saw I tried that way without using the wifes oven to heat cases with other method.
Use socket press out and press in. Nothing to it.
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Wow that sounds very doable if I want to send you a message when I attempt this how do I do it? I did the member search and tried hotsaw as a nickname but got no leads.Rember if you try to explain it to me keep it simpel ;D
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One more thing when you were telling me about the worm gear one of the things you said was redneck it or "cut off" what did you mean cut off if i cut off the worm gear i will be out of luck when i get ready to put things back together.Also if i ruin the gasket when i split the case will blue Permatex work instead?
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Cut only IF you have another gear to put back on.
I have only used Threebond 1194 for gasket sealer and IF crankcase came with gasket I put a gasket back in. Thats your call on putting gasket back in, but I would use 1194. Might mess up clearance, might not.
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can I buy threebond in an auto parts store? and also do you mean some may not have a gasket. Seems like there was somthing else I wanted to ask but old age is early for me I guess.
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5000 uses gasket. My 3750 330 365 I just did not use gasket only sealer.
I doubt you will get Threebond 1194 at store. I buy it online. Never seen it in a store.
Check shipping cost. I can usually get a tube for $10 or under to my door. Last forever.
http://www.bikebandit.com/threebond-liquid-gasket-1194?WT.mc_id=1484958&CAWELAID=338727097
https://www.google.com/search?q=Threebond+1194&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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I just saw it on Bike bandit also on Amazon so thats what i will do right now I dont want to get to that point and not have the gasket material ready.
Now where do I get the seals and berings?any saw shop do? are there two berings?.and do you put in the seals first then slid in the crank ,.....Yea I guess that is what you do,.. and do you lube the crank shaft so it slides easily into the seals?
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Online too. Ordertree is one. Order for Poulan 325. Gasket kit there too and then you will not need 1194.
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Ok I will well thanks for all the advice and I will let you go for now Thanks talk to you soon I am sure.
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I have ordered seals and bearings and a case gasket from my local saw shop.I tried to find it at ordertree.com like you said but when I clicked on Poulan and Partner nothoing came up? At the shop the crank bearings are $16.25 each
the seals were $6.25 each and I did not get a price on the case gasket .Do these prices sound right to you? the bearings sounded high to me? But what the $%## do I know.talk to ya soon.
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Yes that is dealer prices and ordertree is about the highest on the net JMO. Real close. $15 and $3.50.
But if you notice the crank bearing is a 6202 which can be bought lot cheaper. ;) Poulan 365 and Husky 372 take same bearing. Husky bearing is high too but the poulan one is less then $5 and made in the USA.
Crankshaft Bearing Fits many metric, european chainsaws
Part: ball bearing, 6202
Electrolux Part # 738 22 02 25
Partner part # 503 25 00-01, 250001
Stihl part # 9503 003 0346
Dolmar part # 960 102 151, 960 102 159
Fits: Husqvarna 570, 575 xp, 365, 362 special, 371, 372xp, 372, 372k, k750, 143 R, 153 R, 357xp, 357 xp, 359, 51, 55, 50, 266, 266SE, 266XP, 266SG, 61, 268, 268xp, 272, 272xp, 55 rancher, 262, 262xp, 261, 261xp, 380, 480, 40, 45, 49, 181, 281, 288, 288XP, 350, 353, 346xp, 77, 77L, 66
Jonsered 2171 turbo, 2071 turbo, 2063, 2165, 2165 turbo, 2065, 2172 turbo, 625, 630, 670, 2159, 490, 590, 2051, 5054, 2055, 2041, 2045, 2050, 2153, 2152, 2150,
Partner 500, 5000
Stihl 044, 046, MS440, MS460, 034, 036, MS340, MS360
Dolmar 112, 114, 117, 119, 120, 120S, 113, 116, 116si, 120si, 6000i, 6800i, PS6400, PS7900, 6400, 7900
And many many other European made chainsaws
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wow that was a bunch of work for you thanks.So where do you buy yours? You said the bearings can be bought a lot cheeper where? Next subject Today I worked on a 500 i bought last night the guy fell a tree on it i think.The alumnium handel to the D handel was broken, the I del screw was broken off from the carb ,the plastic shield behind the carb was broken. So this afternoon I went to work on it and got her all fixed up runs great. I noticed somthing ( 1) the case is Black not yellow ,and (2 ) the sproket is a large star shaped one not the small slotted kind i have on all my saws and (3) the chain appears to be maybe a 3/8 ? the drivers say 21 on them wher all mine say 325 ? I have a few other chains I have picked up over the years and they say some other number on thier drivers, If I tell you the number can you fill me in?
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500 in black was one of my best runners stock.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/e14c2853.jpg)
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Click in the sub forum Chain for chain info, it is all there in links. ;)
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does yours have a "star" shaped sprocket as well ?
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Thats the spur sprocket clutch drums. I replace mine to different clutch drums with replaceable rims.
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Ok i guess? I will just run er till she is worn out then buy new i guess.But that sproket takes a larger chain than what is on the rest of my saws I think?
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is the spur 325 3/8 ? is the bar longer ? 325 3/8 could explain that.
I posted you a pic of a 5000 500 490 590 325 dawg in 5000 sub forum.
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what is a sub forum?
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:o :o Click on the orange words at left like partner and you get this http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/partner/
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Well I am thinking about doing the rebuild mentioned up top. I will need a Piston and ring for a closed port Cylinder that I have for a 5000 ,a chain brake /cover , A 5000 wrap around ( or ) D handle. to compleate the job. If some one has these parts and wants to sell them let me know what you need for money. I am not in too big a hurry But I do want to do this .I have bought a case gasket, seals and bearings . All I need is the above. Please do not be offended if I decline your offer due to price I am just looking into it to see what it would cost me to build a 5000. thanks. Jeff
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I hate to tell you. Nobody in their right mind just sales a good used or new 5000 plus piston. To hard to get hold of. Mise well just buy a running parts saw, much cheaper that way.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/20102461.jpg)
500 and early 5000 on left, later 5000 plus on right
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/Copyof5000projects490500002.jpg)
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Oh ok well I can get new no problem it's just at a the beginning of this thread someone said they probably had everything I might need? Maybe ther ment new? Thanks for the responce,Jeff
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Nobody said they had NEW pistons for sale or even USED pistons. ;)
So where you going to get a new piston? ??? :D
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Just so you know the last new oem 5000 plus piston cost me $130 to have shipped in from Canada from a shop that had closed and found in NOS.
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I hate to tell you. Nobody in their right mind just sales a good used or new 5000 plus piston. To hard to get hold of. Mise well just buy a running parts saw, much cheaper that way.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/20102461.jpg)
500 and early 5000 on left, later 5000 plus on right
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/5000/Copyof5000projects490500002.jpg)
Didn't I sell you a good used piston and a new one?
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You sold me a new one. Dont remember a used one since you said you were keeping it. ( I still needed that used one for a saw) ;).
This was all before the last one I found up north and west of you.
The new ones are going in racesaws. The used ones go in work saws. ;)
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Thought you were questioning my mental state.
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Halftime so I got to be quick. :D LOL nope not questioning your state of mind. Sold all my stock of new ones to racers myself. Better to see them in racesaw builds then a stock saw that will get straight gassed by someone.
The other one I have torn down is the one I was going to try that 246 husky piston swap in. Can I ask where you heard of doing that or did you just try it on your own Art.
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Here is the newer Pioneer Partner 500 IPL with the updated parts list. Yellow crankcase 500.
500 IPL 1987 http://rottmansales.com/IPLs/pioneer_partner/500_1987.pdf
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Halftime so I got to be quick. :D LOL nope not questioning your state of mind. Sold all my stock of new ones to racers myself. Better to see them in racesaw builds then a stock saw that will get straight gassed by someone.
The other one I have torn down is the one I was going to try that 246 husky piston swap in. Can I ask where you heard of doing that or did you just try it on your own Art.
I'm going to try the 246 piston in my 5000 if i do the build off over on compititionsaws. ;)
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Halftime so I got to be quick. :D LOL nope not questioning your state of mind. Sold all my stock of new ones to racers myself. Better to see them in racesaw builds then a stock saw that will get straight gassed by someone.
The other one I have torn down is the one I was going to try that 246 husky piston swap in. Can I ask where you heard of doing that or did you just try it on your own Art.
Always thinking outside the box. Needed a piston and had 6 or 7 246 pistons on hand.
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Well I guess I did not realize tha I had such a rare commodity here ,Maybe I should go on antiques road show and get me a million.Or maybe I could go a couple of miles down the road and buy a new on from an old partner dealer I have been dealing with.He did not seem to suggest to me it was gonna be a real expencive deal.Coure he may think that I know this is a 100 dollar item? He did not seem to get too nervous when i mentioned I made need a new pistion said he thought he had a bunch still on the partner shelf outback. As far as anyone saying they had a new piston to sell me I dont think I said new ? maybe I did if so I deeeeeeply apologize .I really ment no harm but the offer was mad that " between me and some other peolpe here probably may have what you need to get you going" At least I thought thats what I read but I may be wrong.
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If he has 5000 plus pistons like I posted in pics. BUY THEM ALL...................................
They are NLA only NOS left like you say your dealer has on hand. Buy :P buy now.
Your area was big Partner country and a lot of my past stuff came from up your way from dealers.
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This one has heated handles
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/490/another5000001.jpg)
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hanging above bench 1 4 foot by 5 foot
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/signs/Kev2010537.jpg)
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What is nla nos? and yes,yes I will.
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NLA No Longer Available
NOS New Old Stock
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Got cha
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I made a couple cuts with one of those 5000+ saws a couple weeks ago. It is a very respectable saw that will stand up to most current saws its displacement. I liked it.
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Well I guess I did not realize tha I had such a rare commodity here ,Maybe I should go on antiques road show and get me a million.Or maybe I could go a couple of miles down the road and buy a new on from an old partner dealer I have been dealing with.He did not seem to suggest to me it was gonna be a real expencive deal.Coure he may think that I know this is a 100 dollar item? He did not seem to get too nervous when i mentioned I made need a new pistion said he thought he had a bunch still on the partner shelf outback.
If he has 5000 plus pistons like I posted in pics. BUY THEM ALL...................................
They are NLA only NOS left like you say your dealer has on hand. Buy :P buy now.
I installed a new piston ,ring , I had to grind out the interior boss's of the piston so it would fit onto the conecting rod.I ordered three of them from e-bay they are "Golf Piston kits"
Sounds like you went with AFM 246 pistons Jeff ;D.
Why if your dealer has all of that NOS stock 5000 pistons. Get me phone number please and I will call him myself.
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Well it is Huff forest products in Pittsfield me but he thought he could get 5000 pistons but evedently I has been awhile for him because he also cannot get any pistons so i did use husky 246 golf pistons and the boss's will have to be ground ,...a lot like at least 1/8 inch on each side but i did one today and it runs good. I got mine on e-bay 30.00 each ,"but you will get no needle bearings for the top of the connectng rod"
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Yep Art was the first one I know of to use the 246 piston. You can thank him for letting that info out to the masses. old iron logging = Art
in other words he figured it out and passed the info onto others to use. ::) ::)