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Title: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: Cut4fun . on May 20, 2017, 11:08:47 am
Husqvarna X-Cut Designing a better saw chain   http://www.husqvarna.com/uk/forest/get-started/from-professionals/husqvarna-x-cut-designing-a-better-chain/

https://youtu.be/ruWMOI70atA


For the first time, there are original Husqvarna saw chains, and they are made where it all once started – in Huskvarna, Sweden. Why, you might wonder. Well, the story actually starts at the end. Through all our research and development, making your output the highest possible has been the overarching goal.



For decades, Husqvarna has been one of the world’s most respected chainsaw brands. There is no simple explanation as to why that is. But a major key to the brand’s success has always been the constant focus on the user’s output. Anyone picking up a Husqvarna chainsaw should be able to count on getting the best possible returns.

“Manufacturing our own saw chains is not something we have embarked on just for fun, or because we felt like it,” Lead Engineer Hans-Åke Sundberg says, rather seriously. “Through all the years, we have never stopped improving our users’ experience and output. The cutting equipment plays an extremely important role in that.”

More than just high quality

The dream of an original Husqvarna saw chain has been with us for a long time,” Global Product Manager Mattias Karlsson adds. “Making it a reality, however, has taken a huge amount of planning, research and strategic thinking. There’s no trial and error in a Husqvarna product launch.”

Naturally, the Husqvarna saw chains had to meet the high quality of the Husqvarna chainsaws. But for most users, Husqvarna stands for more than just robustness and performance – it’s about trust.

“You must be able to trust that the machine you have invested in will give you the highest efficiency and the best results,” Karlsson continued. “Living up to those expectations requires considerable commitment from the manufacturer.”


At the heart of Husqvarna

The saw chain factory was built from scratch over the course of several years. Its strategic location, right beside the original chainsaw factory in Huskvarna, Sweden, underlines its importance – it is right at the heart of the brand.

Inside this advanced and modern saw chain factory, there is a rich variety of complex machinery, winding production lines and elaborate processes. Not one part of the saw chain comes ready from any supplier – it’s all made here, from raw steel to finished product. In addition to the factory, Husqvarna realized that they also had to build an adjacent little sawmill to be able to continuously test prototypes.
Edge Campaign Photo
Developed backwards

“The single most important part of a logger’s every day is the cubic meter output,” said Sundberg. “We worked backwards from there. We identified the right product features, the right manufacturing, the right materials, the right competence, and the right mindset for a long-term venture into a new field.”

The X-Cut saw chain has been tested and fine-tuned for about two years now. Following classic Husqvarna procedures, a combination of lab tests and test runs in different environments has been crucial for perfecting its features, refining its design and ensuring its quality.

Ready for action

So, from the end to the beginning and back to the end, we have finally arrived. After years of planning, research, development, testing, collaboration with loggers, and some more testing, the first Husqvarna saw chain is ready to be mounted on your chainsaw. It’s ready for hard, uninterrupted work, ready to give you maximum efficiency and output – ready when you are.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Nixon on May 26, 2017, 08:48:37 am
I'd like to give this stuff a try . Unfortunately it appears to only be available in europe at this time . Have you any idea of when it may be available here ?
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun on August 17, 2017, 02:14:32 pm
Full 3/8 X cut  C85

pics

Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 18, 2017, 11:51:41 am
The first impression of the 572XP is that the saw definitely will be a good inheritor to the legendary Husqvarna 372XP. This is with a reservation – it has to be used with the new full chisel saw chain, X-cut C85.
This is a newly developed chain from Husqvarna, in their own factory in, yep, Husqvarna, Sweden.
When we tested the chainsaw with the C85 X-cut chain we saw an increased cutting power and a smoother cut, just like with the first X-cut saw chain, Sp33G (0,325, 1,3mm).
C85 is a full chisel 3/8 saw chain with a 1,5mm gauge that comes pre-stretched and sharp from the factory.

Cutting with the C85 x cut

https://youtu.be/XSIYooqWeaY
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 18, 2017, 11:56:34 am

https://youtu.be/KpTCJ-FY8nM
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: HolmenTree on August 18, 2017, 11:58:32 am
@HolmenTree
Kevin, yes I like the looks of that chain . They have a winner there.
As I told the guys last night over on OPE they built a chain that will cut like a normal chain that's filed half ways back just ahead of the rear rivet, right out off the roll.
Whole cutter bit is moved rearward allowing a big gullet and a nice looking depth gauge. Rivets are flattened for the narrower kerf. I'd like to see the top of the chain.

Still retained the Vibe-Ban design they  had with the rebranded Oregon, but swapped out the LubriLink for the Stihl Oil O Matic. Still a little LubriLink design on the top corners of the side links without the cavity behind.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: fisaw on August 30, 2017, 05:53:32 pm
(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/XCUT1.jpg)

(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/XCUT.jpg)

(http://u.cubeupload.com/finland1/XCUTTXL.jpg)
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 30, 2017, 08:22:42 pm
pics

So have you compared it to 325 LPX?
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: deezlfan on August 31, 2017, 10:34:40 am
Quote
The first impression of the 572XP is that the saw definitely will be a good inheritor to the legendary Husqvarna 372XP. This is with a reservation – it has to be used with the new full chisel saw chain, X-cut C85.

So for us backwoods woodchucks that can't keep the bar out of the dirt, we might as well pass on the 572XP and keep our ol' 372XPs with some semi-chisel?  ;D

I admire them for trying to advance saw chain technology, but wonder why they chose full chisel over semi for their new design. Isn't semi the bulk of the market?

That also begs the question. Is Husqvarna attempting to move away from Oregon sourced chain [and bars] ? Being as they own so many brands and for the most part they come with Oregon rebranded  bars and chain, will we see layoffs, closings or consolidation at Blount? Could this see Carlton be squeezed out?
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 31, 2017, 12:30:12 pm
Full chisel is king around here.  Just like any saw run whatever chain you use IMHO

I do question who and why someone would say it has to be used with C85 though  :D :D
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: fisaw on September 01, 2017, 11:13:08 am
So have you compared it to 325 LPX?

I use a .325  TXL, VPX ( some are without bumpers) + 8pin  on my husky.  MS 200 / 50cc  Stihl 63PM or 63PS. The Husqvarna chain (tooth) feels a bit harder than the Oregon Txl.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on September 01, 2017, 12:48:45 pm
So have you compared it to 325 LPX?

I use a .325  TXL, VPX ( some are without bumpers) + 8pin  on my husky.  MS 200 / 50cc  Stihl 63PM or 63PS. The Husqvarna chain (tooth) feels a bit harder than the Oregon Txl.


TXL is that the oregon speedcut?  I was wondering if the speedcut might have been relabeled x-cut myself.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: fisaw on September 01, 2017, 01:45:16 pm
Yes, 95TXL replaces 95VPX, "speedcut" = narrow kerf.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on October 21, 2017, 05:32:15 pm
 x cut KY Expo

Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: sharkey on October 28, 2017, 07:26:59 am
Could this Husky chain be patterned after the old MX Windsor chain?  The MX had a beak like that.   
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on November 30, 2017, 09:58:41 pm
1st page Philbert on C85 X-cut
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on December 13, 2017, 11:14:04 am
Husqvarna C85   H42 SP33  chain



Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 26, 2018, 10:08:44 am
Man I want to know which is going to be the better one.  Husqvarna X cut or the new Oregon EXL in 3/8 

Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 26, 2018, 10:09:41 am
Found a video of the 325 chains. Oregon speed cut and Husqvarna x cut. Wonder how they compare to LPX

https://youtu.be/GZFZ5z4lxw0
https://youtu.be/kU4ypdl2wZY
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 26, 2018, 10:14:42 am
https://youtu.be/jVsS6YcOcuA
https://youtu.be/i0kZp1u16Q4
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut
Post by: Cut4fun . on January 26, 2018, 10:15:26 am
Oregon EXL  https://www.oregonproducts.com/powercut-70-series-EXL
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 07, 2018, 10:22:58 am
Oregon EXJ is the skip version

Features and Benefits 

    LubriTec™ keeps your saw chain and guide bar oiled, for less friction and longer life
    Blued cutters deliver high-quality protection against corrosion
    Expanded top-plate filing Indicators and depth gauge Filing Indicators area make accurate sharpening easier
    Gold loop start indicator makes sharpening easier with start and stop identification
    Our exclusive OCS-01 Steel delivers greater durability
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: jmester on February 20, 2018, 08:20:32 pm
Does anyone have the part numbers for the new EXL chain. Looking for the left and right hand cutters and drive links. I am going to make a full house chain for a guy. Tried oregons web page but that was not working out so well for me. Chain will be 3/8 .058gauge 72 drivers
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: Cut4fun . on February 21, 2018, 06:48:26 am
Had them for LGX at one time but not EXL. I would just make a LGX myself.
I got both EXL and LGX loops.   

Folks say EXL last longer between sharpens. Harder like stihl.
Exl loops they say last longer and lgx would be tossed already.

C83

3/8 .050 72 585550072 msrp $31.19
3/8 .050 84 585500084 msrp $36.19
3/8 .050 93 585500093 msrp $39.94
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: jmester on February 21, 2018, 05:17:42 pm
Got it figured out , just got 2 73EXL chains from Nate. With a couple bags of tie straps
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: jmester on February 21, 2018, 11:24:21 pm
I will post some pics when the stuff gets here and I start putting it together.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 01, 2018, 08:22:04 am
Spike60 info =     Walt and I did a comparison last Saturday between the EXL and the LGX. There's a video coming at some point, which will show cut times. Pretty much a statistical tie. Funny thing is that Walt got slightly better times with the LGX and I got slightly better times with the EXL. But it was essentially a dead heat. The test saw was a 372 with a 24" bar. One of the variables involved is that Walt had been working with a farmertec 660 and I was cutting with a 262XPG before we compared the chain. So, he's coming out of a 90cc saw and I'm coming out of a 60cc saw. Plus we're 2 different guys. Only going into this detail because on sites like this far too much weight is given to cut times. In the real world, it's more about production over the life of the chain. How it holds it's edge and how user friendly it is. It was definitely smoother, and we both noticed that right away. I'd say the smoothness was somewhere between the 3/8 and .325. Made a lot of cuts before it needed to be tightened. We were both impressed with it.

    The real story with this chain is what @Philbert quoted above from Oregon regarding "Reduce the force applied by the operator". Oregon spent a lot of time engineering the "feed pressure" when designing this new chain. Feed pressure essentially has a minimum and a maximum, and between those two is the operating range or sweet spot of the chain. The minimum is how much pressure the chain needs to hook up perform the way it should, and the maximum is the amount of feed pressure you can apply without stalling the chain. The wider that feed pressure range is the more user friendly the chain is to work with; both for guys with a light touch or a heavy touch.

    Away from the "cookie kitchen" out in the real world where guys are working with the chain rather than playing with it, I'm getting all positive feedback. I've given some samples to some of my pro guys and they are raving about it. Hearing things like "far superior", "excited", " really holds it's edge", and "Hope you got more of it cause I don't want to buy any more of the old chain." "Did 20 trees yesterday morning; felled, limbed and bucked. And it doesn't need to be sharpened" So, that's some of the feedback from the field that I'm seeing. Looks to be a winner IMO. :)
     

Spoke to another logger last night. Again very impressed with the chain. Likes the way it bore cuts, and every tree he does gets a bore cut. Really no feed back yet from these guys on sharpening experiences yet, but I'll post it as this thead continues. haven't even filed it myself yet; maybe later today.

Dealer cost is about a $1 more per loop, so pretty much the same pricing as LGX.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: Cut4fun . on March 12, 2018, 10:01:37 am
Sierrawoodsman  showed pics of the husqvarna x-cut 325 and she looks semi chisel to me.

So I will stay with LPX RS in 325


Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: HolmenTree on March 16, 2018, 04:03:39 pm
Oregon EXL  https://www.oregonproducts.com/powercut-70-series-EXL
Alex Bildeaux of Isabella, Minnesota looks like he never aged in this 2017 video.
Here's a pic of him running a Hot saw 40 years earlier in 1977.
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: EHP on October 26, 2018, 06:03:26 pm
I run the EXL on my huskys , its a far better chain cutting in this sand compared to LGX , it holds its edge a lot better . I still far prefer falling with LGX thou, its a lot smoother but does dull easy but just like any chain it needs to be filed right out of the box
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: EHP on November 13, 2018, 11:38:55 pm
now what is everyone running for Oregon bars with the EXL chain, the older Oregon bars are pretty much junk here . Couple days cutting on the landing in the sand if not frozen and the bar groove is worn out pretty easy
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: Cut4fun . on April 06, 2019, 07:47:53 am
Just a read on the husqvarna C83 C85  565 572 etc  https://www.totallandscapecare.com/landscaping-equipment/husqvarna-launches-newest-generation-of-chain-saws/
Title: Re: Husqvarna X Cut Oregon EXL EXJ
Post by: Cut4fun . on August 19, 2019, 09:24:58 am
X-cut C83 3/8 050 and EXL same. Pics online

I would swear my exl had more hook. But cant recall from new.