Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => RedMax => Topic started by: Cut4fun . on March 03, 2011, 06:09:38 pm
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Redmax 5000 ported work saw I traded for and since I have never ran a stock redmax 5000.
Old Iron Logging how do these compare when ran stock to the 152 346 261 260 026 246 and any others in 3 cube size saws you have ran stock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIt59nKO9J8
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Here is how they run here. These are not set to factory specs, they are set where they work best. 260 at factory specs would be down the list further. When I get time on the 261 it should be at the top.
026 German
260 German
346 OE
5000 Redmax
5100
152
5000P
246
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Forgot about adding the Partner 5000 and Dolmar 5100 to the list of stock saws. Just curious.
Redmax G5000 G5000AVS 5000 IPL http://www.redmax.com/ddoc/RMXI/RMXI2008_USen/RMXI2008_USen_G5000AVS_SN608281%20and%20up.pdf
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Other than the 246, there would only be a second between the saws. I prefer high rpm over torque.
I don't block firewood with 50cc saws.
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I can understand rpm and what you were after by running that EHP redmax 5000 from you.
Had to be a good limbing and what ever you call pulp saw? Can you describe that so I know, pulp saw? guessing 6" 8" tree and a lot of falling and limbing.
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Pulp saw is light and fast. I cut random length 10-16 feet. Take them down to a 2" top. Small logs go down to 3" top. Will take the camera in and get pics and video when it warms up. Hard to explain unless you know what is left for timber here.
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Around these parts pulp wood is soft wood, mainly poplar and spruce, that ends up getting cut in order to skid the $$ wood out. Its the easy grabs for a few extra dollars.
Just for fun (and a good deal at baileys 15" Carleton Sprocket Nose for $3.90!) I ran it on my 372 with an 8 pin rim...............a very nice set up for pulp wood at the landing.............
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What are you getting for prices up in Ont?
Pulp here is $34/ton
Logs $60/ton
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All of our local big mills have shut down (within 270km) so pulp in down to $11/ton and logs (thankfully there are some small mills still operating) $27-42 dependant upon the mill. So very rough times for those that can't adapt. I think the biggest and most profitable option in to outlast the unemplyed cutting a few loads of firewood till he finds his next job, and be the one that always has wood available, goind rate for a single here in town delivered and split is $60.........and hours away in Ottawa $150-200!
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Man I thought it was bad here. 3 years ago we were $95/ton on logs. We have 1 mill left, 280 km away.
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What were you running for chain in that video? 3/8 or .325? What rpm?
Here it liked .325 and 15,500 rpm for work.
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I have only been running 3/8 and with heat shield on the front and that was working rpm. I cant remember what it was that day in video. Didn't sound right on video.
That redmax actually out cut my best P-5000 at my last ohio gtg I had, taken 2nd behind a gas race saw 590 in yellow and red. No heat shield and close to 17K ;) in race set up.
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Do you still have the 5000?
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Do you still have the 5000?
Yes and it is still in good company. Setting right beside the hottest woods ported WORK saw OE 346xp 45cc with domed piston etc from back in the day before the NE. No hot Partner's left, just stock ones now. Getting ready to try a different woods ported topend on a 026 too. Just love this size of saws. ;D
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Care to send it back?
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It's not like I have to keep it with all the others around, but I really do like that saw size.
Twist my arm hard enough and I could let go. PM me and let me know whats up ok.
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Art / old iron logging, do you remember how many tanks you had put through this redmax 5000 before we traded?
Me and a friend was talking about this redmax yesterday while I was working on his 268xp. He :-X likes and wants. :-\
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No more than 150. Only cut 3 weeks with it.
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and you didnt like it?
how are your hot hands?
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I liked it, but at that time I added 2 more cutters and spent the day operating the porter.
Jonsered is fine, ran it last in Nov. Have to get an uncle 4 cords in early March so will run it then. I don't put 10 gallons per year thru saws now. Getting soft and fat.
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Getting soft and fat.
...and healthy...
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Not really. Feeling better in the joints, but some internal issues are causing trouble.
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Out of curiosity. I just took the very aggressive 3/8 square chain with lowered rakers that I ran on the DP muffler 440 046 both stock, poulan 445 475, husky 372. I put the 3/8 72dl chain 7T on my EHP redmax 5000 that was built for cutting pulp wood and higher rpm use up to 16.8k for cookie cutting. I have been running it a super fat 13.8k for years now even at gtg's. Not seeing much use in my stable with maybe 5 tanks or so and owner before me put 150 tanks through it in 3 weeks use.
Anyhow cutting the same ash log 14" wide, 13" deep I have been testing the above saws in. The ported redmax 5000 was right there with them in the mid to high 10's.
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Nothing wrong with that little saw. Thought about buying it back many times.
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Nothing wrong with that little saw. Thought about buying it back many times.
I read shipping rates have really gone up between us now days.
The locals have no clue on the redmax name, but get all bugged eyed when they test run it.
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Redmax 5000 G5000 IPL http://www.redmax.com/ddoc/RMXI/RMXI2008_USen/RMXI2008_USen_G5000AVS_SN608281%20and%20up.pdf
Looking for the bucking spike, dawg, bumper for new owner in the near future. 2670-2531
Jacks has it listed. BUMPER 513618901 $4.85
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New owner -- that's me! :)
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Welcome. Mindfork
Also Art was the original owner. = old iron logging He is from Nova Scotia and the saws run a bit different there with his air.
I dont remember if I got a owners manual with it or not. If not 1 online I bet.
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Welcome. Mindfork
Also Art was the original owner. = old iron logging He is from Nova Scotia and the saws run a bit different there with his air.
I dont remember if I got a owners manual with it or not. If not 1 online I bet.
I'm trying to find a manual right now, in fact.
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Found the manual for the 2007 model... There was also one for 2008. Can't be that different, can they?
http://www.redmax.com/ddoc/RMXO/RMXO2007_CAfr/RMXO2007_CAfr_G5000AVS_.pdf
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The builder aka ported the saw EHP Ed Heard is here too.
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I would same guess unless something was updated. They do the parts buying by serial number of saw too. Like 3 IPL's for 5000 with #'s break down to each one.
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If I am right on your local. Elevation 433 ft and mine is Elevation 1,142 ft I would have thought you would have been up higher in the PNW. ???
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Elevation here is between 0 and 500. Redmax should work good at its new home.
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It depends on where in the PNW you are. :-) A lot of the area is less than 100 feet above sea level here in the Puget Sound. I am actually closer to 450-480 where I live. There are plenty of mountainous regions just a little bit west of here where people live at 1k+
"Little red" is going to enjoy his life here. Winters are mild and most of the wood is relatively soft.
Old Iron, if you're up for it, I would love to hear how you made this little saw into such a powerhouse.
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It depends on where in the PNW you are. :-) A lot of the area is less than 100 feet above sea level here in the Puget Sound. I am actually closer to 450-480 where I live. There are plenty of mountainous regions just a little bit west of here where people live at 1k+
"Little red" is going to enjoy his life here. Winters are mild and most of the wood is relatively soft.
Old Iron, if you're up for it, I would love to hear how you made this little saw into such a powerhouse.
Old Iron was original owner. EHP Ed Heard ported it.
The builder aka ported the saw EHP Ed Heard is here too.
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Art didnt you run a 325 set up on this redmax for work? Could you share anything with the new owner.
I left the 3/8 7T on it for him and he wanted a 18" 325 set up with 7T rim for switching over. So I sent him one I had used on hand.
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On pulp saws I ran the lightest setup I could. The Redmax had a 15" Prolite bar with a 21lp Oregon chain on an 8 tooth gear. Saw was set at 15,000. Its had almost no acceleration time. Trigger was like an electrical switch. On and off. Idle to full throttle in a heart beat. On frosty mornings one of my men said it sounded like a gun shooting limbs off trees. It is the only ported saw I ever had that used less gas after porting than before.
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On pulp saws I ran the lightest setup I could. The Redmax had a 15" Prolite bar with a 21lp Oregon chain on an 8 tooth gear. Saw was set at 15,000. Its had almost no acceleration time. Trigger was like an electrical switch. On and off. Idle to full throttle in a heart beat. On frosty mornings one of my men said it sounded like a gun shooting limbs off trees. It is the only ported saw I ever had that used less gas after porting than before.
Thanks for posting that, Old Iron. It's nice to know there's so much speed there. I am going to try a few different b/c combos to find the one that works best for my firewood hack needs. Your post reminded me that I need to pick up an 8 tooth .325 gear to test against the 7 tooth.
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Art could you share your method of clutch removal on the 5000. I dont know if I am coming across right in pm's.
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some pics of clutch and oiler adjustment.
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This echo clutch tool also worked on the 550xp 545 saws. Might work on the 5000. It was for echo 4500 6700 I believe not 100% sure, would need to look up.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/346xpg262xp/550xpclutch001_zps77ce2596.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/346xpg262xp/550xpclutch003_zpsd56b9551.jpg)
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Thanks for the pics. I will get the echo tool asap.
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Pay attention, 2 different echo tools and no guarantee it will work on the 5000. Also look at the thread I bumped for you on using sockets to make your own clutch removal tool.
I cant believe the punch method didnt work for you. Thats the one I use as last resort and gets the most stubborn clutches off.
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Pay attention, 2 different echo tools and no guarantee it will work on the 5000. Also look at the thread I bumped for you on using sockets to make your own clutch removal tool.
I cant believe the punch method didnt work for you. Thats the one I use as last resort and gets the most stubborn clutches off.
If I was willing to dent up the Y bracket, it probably would. But as soon as I saw a little ding in it, I stopped. I fully admit that I am weird. :)
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As you can see in the above pic of 5000 clutch it never had a ding taken off with punch method before. You have to use a flat end round punch, set flat and punch downward for best results.
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I just looked up the oem redmax clutch tool and they have bumped their heads. $75 :o 513636001
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=84.0;attach=3719;image)
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Art could you share your method of clutch removal on the 5000. I dont know if I am coming across right in pm's.
I think I made a tool similar to the factory one.
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Thanks for bumping the clutch tool thread. It gave me an idea of what I had to do.
I went to my local guy and he got the clutch off for me using a Shindawa clutch removal tool. He said he couldn't sell me one, because he's not allowed to, and he paid high dollar for his.
So I took the clutch to autozone and matched up the right sized diameter socket that would allow me to make my cuts in the grooves of the socket, which was 22mm. It was nice to have the clutch off of the saw for that part of things.
I marked it off, used the Dremel to made my cuts, kept them *just* on the small side, then used a sanding rod to bring them out to the right size, and now I have the perfect clutch removal tool for the saw. (It's still untested, but it sure looks like a winner)
It's past dinner time, so I'll get everything together tomorrow and make some cuts with .325 -- Then when my 3/8 bar comes in a few days, I'll be able to swap out the rim sprocket and feel the 3/8 powar!
My local Stihl shop told me that can't give me true RS non safety chain in .325 .050 but he said their new "mini hump" cuts way better than their old safety chain, but that their real selection of .325 is in .063.
He told me he can give me whaaaatever I want in 3/8. So knowing that, I may end up just running 3/8 even in longer lengths.
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Good job.
When I ran that chainsaw it always had 3/8" chain.
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I was looking in the Stihl catalog and they have "RS" in .325 X .050 listed.
The point is, that dealer didn't stock it because typically a .325" Stihl saw is always .063" gauge from the factory. And all the smaller Stihl saws that would use .325" come with "3" safety chain. It is part of Stihl's philosophy or maybe it is the EPA about the safety chain on small saws?
I changed my 026 to 3/8" X .050" and run RS chain.
I have a 025 Stihl that is .325 X .063" X 16" and it had "RS" chain when I bought it used but notice that it is .063.
.325 Stihl RS cuts real good.
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I was looking in the Stihl catalog and they have "RS" in .325 X .050 listed.
The point is, that dealer didn't stock it because typically a .325" Stihl saw is always .063" gauge from the factory. And all the smaller Stihl saws that would use .325" come with "3" safety chain. It is part of Stihl's philosophy or maybe it is the EPA about the safety chain on small saws?
I changed my 026 to 3/8" X .050" and run RS chain.
I have a 025 Stihl that is .325 X .063" X 16" and it had "RS" chain when I bought it used but notice that it is .063.
.325 Stihl RS cuts real good.
Yea, I figured it was a local thing with this dealer, because .325 RS is listed on the main Stihl site. I'm still deciding if I want to mess around with .325 at all on this saw if it's going to be the "3" chain.
Had I known then what I know now, I would have asked for a 3/8" bar when I bought the saw.
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To get the chain you want and if the dealer is unwilling to order what you want for you. Buy online. JMO.
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Dang it man did you at least sharpen and sink that rm3 chain in some wood yet. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Dang it man did you at least sharpen and sink that rm3 chain in some wood yet. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
haha, sorry not yet. I'm up to my eyeballs in web work right now. Hopefully tomorrow!
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Found the last time I had set this redmax 5000 up for gtg racing. 2009 3 cuts 8x8
1st race ported 590 066 carb 4.70
2nd redmax 5000 woods ported work saw stock WT carb 4.86
3rd race ported partner 5000 I owned hogged out 272 carb 5.00
4th thinking hot woods ported or race ported 026 with big intake and 044 carb 5.30
5th 346 OE or NE dont remember 5.62
6th 5100 5.66 woods ported
and then there were many more below, another redmax, 346's , 2149, etc.
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My 16" 3/8 .050 bar came on Thursday and I put on some stihl RSC to make "a few test cuts" -- Well that turned into at least a dozen cuts because it was SO DANG FUN cutting with this saw! I didn't film or time anything, but subjectively, the cutting power is HUGE. I FLEW through every cut, and even with the bar buried in 18" fir and me leaning on it, it just growled through whatever was there to be cut and asked for more. (Not that there was any need to lean on it.)
I ran it again for an hour Friday evening, and it was simply amazing. I absolutely love this saw. This is the first ported saw I have ever run and I hope to have it for many years. It is very light, well balanced and nimble in addition to the great power.
I want to thank JJ for answering all of my many questions about the saw after purchase. He's a great guy to deal with.
I also want to thank Ed Heard for porting this saw so well that it is still going as strong as ever. Your work is still being appreciated years later. :)
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Don't be getting the big head thinking that all ported chainsaws are as fantastic as that Redmax. Most ported saws are a little faster than stock but nothing like that chainsaw.
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True not all ported saws are created equal. Lot of them are hyped up but fall way short IMO. I guess I was sort of spoiled.
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Don't be getting the big head thinking that all ported chainsaws are as fantastic as that Redmax. Most ported saws are a little faster than stock but nothing like that chainsaw.
LOL, I won't let it go to my head. I did have a feeling the saw is pretty special, so you confirmed it.
My next saw, eventually, will probably be a 70cc with muffler mod and base gasket removed. But Redmax is making me feel pretty confident that it can handle just about anything that I need to cut.
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That saw cut with a muffler modded dual port MS440 71cc in 14" ash hardwood using same very aggressive chain on the saws. It out cut a stock 372xp 71cc in same wood and chain. Just saying.
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That saw cut with a muffler modded dual port MS440 71cc in 14" ash hardwood using same very aggressive chain on the saws. It out cut a stock 372xp 71cc in same wood and chain. Just saying.
I can believe it! I was thinking of getting a 440 that has the cylinder base cut and a dual port muffler. I was also thinking of a 372 with a 52mm big bore kit. But I'm starting to think that any 70-75cc saw I get will need to be ported as well. Otherwise, what's the point of having a bigger, heavier saw that can't outcut Redmax by a decent margin? I don't really want to do 80cc due to weight concerns, so ported it will have to be.
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How much bigger wood do you cut over 16" 20" etc? Softwoods ?
I used to cut 16" buried on one side and go around to other side to finish it up on what was left. This was hardwoods.
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How much bigger wood do you cut over 16" 20" etc? Softwoods ?
I used to cut 16" buried on one side and go around to other side to finish it up on what was left. This was hardwoods.
I don't usually have to deal with very much over 20" actually. And the hardest woods I have are sugar maple and cherry. The cherry is almost always 16" or under on my land.
I also have an 18" bar coming for redmax.
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Don't be getting the big head thinking that all ported chainsaws are as fantastic as that Redmax. Most ported saws are a little faster than stock but nothing like that chainsaw.
all depends on who does it...and yes ported saws are fantastic,dont let the fact some web sites allow substandard builders , build substandard machines be a benchmark for ported saws...race saws are even more awesome.
Kevin you have no idea how spoiled I've been ;D ;D
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From 49cc to 122cc 16" 3/8 050 :D
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/gtgpics/Copyofsign006-1.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/gtgpics/Copyofsign006-1.jpg.html)
mindfork your redmax used to run in this ported saw pack. Yours was the last to go. ;)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/Copyof166extras035.jpg) (http://s59.photobucket.com/user/doemaster789/media/Copyof166extras035.jpg.html)
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If anyone is still interested, you can sometimes still find them cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291333163359?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I just got the Hitachi CS40EM = Tanaka ECV 5601 counterpart and am quit impressed. Of course it isn't ported but still it cut nicely through some heavy oak!
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If anyone is still interested, you can sometimes still find them cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291333163359?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I just got the Hitachi CS40EM = Tanaka ECV 5601 counterpart and am quit impressed. Of course it isn't ported but still it cut nicely through some heavy oak!
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Had no clue they were rebranded to those. CS40 the 50cc like 5000 and 5601?
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Yes the Hitachi CSxxEM (the numbers in the middle only dictate bar length) the Tanaka ECV5601 and the Zenoah are all the same!
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