Chainsaw Repair
Husqvarna - Stihl - Poulan - Jonsered - Dolmar chainsaws and more => Poulan => Topic started by: Cut4fun on June 08, 2012, 04:07:42 pm
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I was looking for my poulan 4000 saw pics and noticed there wasnt a thread.
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Feb 2011 the stock 4000 cutting yellow poplar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oydyJh35_Tw
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My 3400 parts saw I bought to cover the 4000 needs someday. Today for the first time I noticed 3400 had the 4000 high top air filter cover etc. (http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/smiles/woot-1.gif)(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/smiles/woot-1.gif)
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[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/40003400011.jpg[/img
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/40003400010.jpg[/img
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You know what the sad part is???
That cover is worth as much as the rest of the saw!!!
Mike
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Besides measuring the bore. Is there a way to tell this is a 3400 with just a 4000 top cover and not a 4000 with a 3400 recoil cover?
If I end up measuring bore. Anyone know off hand what the bores of 3400 3700 4000 were?
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Dug up some of Nik, Mark, Mike and others info.
4000 bore 49.2mm
3700 47.7mm
3400 46mm
4000 the recoil pulley is a little different to account for the difference in starter dogs 530026371 for the 4000 and 530026487 for the 3400.
Saving some info. Homelite 410 ring 93216 1.937 in. (49 mm)
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And of course the 4000 muffler has the side slit in it.
That is the LEAST sure way to tell though because they are the easiest thing to replace.
I have also found that the compression is an "indicator" in the really clean low hour saw.
3400s USUALLY carry 120-130 broken in
3700s are closer to the 130-140 range
4000s are usually in the 140-150 range.
Naturally these aren't "for certain" but if you are just checking or suspecting it is one more clue to look for.
There are some other things too like the heavier style AV mounts and the clutch cover/side brace but they could have been changed very easily over the last 30 years.
Mike
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Well I can't wait until some of you semi Poulan guys get to run this 4000 that wigglesworth ported for me.
It is reallly an impressive saw!
Mike
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Somebody wanted to see these pics.
1 of the inside of recoil and flywheel, 1 of the S clip, and 1 of the 2 bar studs, same length studs 1 appears to have been buggered up on the threads end and this was how someone had fixed it in the past. It functions as should and never a problem due to the poor ugly bar stud.
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Well I B.
I knew the 4000 was missing 1 long upper rear recoil bolt and I looked at the parts saw pic and there it is. 4000 now has all it's recoil bolts. Something so simple and I over looked it. :-[
missing bolt
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/40003400005.jpg[/img
found bolt to use right there, duh
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/40003400012.jpg[/img
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Got a question. My 4000 has the foam style handle grip. My parts saw 3400 has the new rubber style grip like I like. Is it because of when they were made early v/s newer? I'm thinking of pulling the foam handle off to keep from tearing it all up like I have seen on others.
To show what I am talking about.
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/40003400009.jpg[/img
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/40003400005.jpg[/img
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I sure don't have a definitive answer for ya. But, I'm guessing by the style of decal on your parts 3400, that it was one of the very last of the 3400's. Like just before they did away with that model, and started with the gold & black Poulan Pro versions of these saws. Like the 375, 395 etc. From what I have seen, they generally have the harder, smooth rubber grips, along with black painted metal. I know my PP Super 380 has the same type of handle.
I personally like the older, thicker, soft foam grips. But they are more susceptible to damage. Would be interesting to know also, when Poulan switched the hand guards from being on the handle, to being on the top cover. I much prefer the later. Gives you a little more hand room for a slightly different grip at times.
Gregg,
Thanks...
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Here is a pic of my PP375. Can see it has the hard, smooth covering like your 3400 has. Also the metal is painted black, instead of bare aluminum. Which leads me to think your 3400, along with decal style, might make your 3400 a very late model.
I sure don't know, but that 4000 style air cleaner could have possibly been a factory thing. When they changed to the Poulan Pro colors and ended that line of saws, they all used the " high top" air filter. So maybe they were down to only that style of filter, and put them on the last of the 3400's instead of producing more of the older style filter covers. Who knows. ;D
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/Gregg500/375005.jpg)
Gregg,
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Sometimes life is good to you. 8) ;D 8)
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Sweet!
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Oh yea those are hard to find. Good for you.
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Just helping someone in need of parts and they repaid with more then I could imagine. 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Has anyone got the measurement of thickness of the 4000 thin rings? in mm or "
If not I'll try and do it later.
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Has anyone got the measurement of thickness of the 4000 thin rings? in mm or "
If not I'll try and do it later.
Here is what I came up with for the poulan 4000 thin rings in pic above.
.022" or 0.55mm
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Has anyone got the measurement of thickness of the 4000 thin rings? in mm or "
If not I'll try and do it later.
Here is what I came up with for the poulan 4000 thin rings in pic above.
.022" or 0.55mm
I measured the ones I have and came up with .023" and .55mm. So I would say they are the same just depends on how much pressure you put on the dial indicator. I used two different indicators for inches and millimeters.
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free is always good ;)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/141qykx.jpg)
i'll get more pics later.
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That is cool. You will definitely have to post more pictures of that one.
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I'd say, very cool, post more when you get it clean and running to your liking!
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Nice. Dont think I have seen a red poulan pro 4000 before.
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Man that's SWEET! Another unique Canadian Poulan. Only other red 4000 that I've seen was a Canadian 3400XP (or whatever it was called).
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I think you'll find that it's orange. What the hell is it doing in the US? #$%^^%^&%%%!!!!
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I think you'll find that it's orange. What the hell is it doing in the US? #$%^^%^&%%%!!!!
He's Canadian eh. ;)
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I hate to tell you this but apparently "eh" is seldom said now. I did hear someone say what we replaced it with but I can't remember. Too much back bacon and beer I guess.
I feel displaced now.
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I remember in the 80's up around Kitchener hanging out with my friends up there. Eh, Sounds a heck of alot better then Huh. :D :D
Come on Tim whats the new word. :'(
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Well here it is. The country is going to hell in a hand basket.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/18/dont-tell-bob-and-doug-eh-on-the-decline-as-young-urban-canadians-adopt-new-expressions/
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Well here it is. The country is going to hell in a hand basket.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/18/dont-tell-bob-and-doug-eh-on-the-decline-as-young-urban-canadians-adopt-new-expressions/
Just wont be the same as eh, right. ;) ;D
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Tim is a geezer he still understands eh. Right
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Like..umm really? you guys are right. I'm "EH" to the bone.
When you guys were little did you ever say "I vote we do this"?
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Like..umm really? you guys are right. I'm "EH" to the bone.
When you guys were little did you ever say "I vote we do this"?
I cannot say I used it but I do remember others using it.
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I hate to tell you this but apparently "eh" is seldom said now. I did hear someone say what we replaced it with but I can't remember. Too much back bacon and beer I guess.
I feel displaced now.
Somebody horked your word eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hfRActkm-U
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Well here it is. The country is going to hell in a hand basket.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/18/dont-tell-bob-and-doug-eh-on-the-decline-as-young-urban-canadians-adopt-new-expressions/
Isn't using some word other than 'eh' a violation of the Canadian Criminal Code?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC6dBsNz0oc
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well, the flu sucks ;)
haven't had a chance to get a good look. but found this while poking around :-[
(http://i59.tinypic.com/5ls08h.jpg)
the crack goes almost all the way to the front in a straight line. it's also missing the rear left tab.
need to get the cylinder off and see if it's ok. haven't had the muffler off yet.
anybody know any good welders? ;D
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I can't think that would affect anything.
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Does it look like it was dropped the on the cylinder without the cover being on.
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I can't think that would affect anything.
the crack goes all the way to the front in a straight line. there's only about an 1/8-1/4" holding the fin on. I don't want it fully breaking off. that's the very top fin of the combustion chamber, and I want all the fins in place if I'm going to be making a bit more heat. this isn't something I want done right. ;)
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Does it look like it was dropped the on the cylinder without the cover being on.
I've seen this break before. and the rear tab is very common and not near as important.
I get the feeling it has something to do with the fit of the top cover. and vibration.
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I think you'll find that it's orange. What the hell is it doing in the US? #$%^^%^&%%%!!!!
nope, she's red.
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Alsled a member here welds light metal and I think a few others, perhaps 3000FPS and a few others.
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Alsled a member here welds light metal and I think a few others, perhaps 3000FPS and a few others.
I have never welded a fin back onto a cylinder before but if your willing to take a chance I can give it a go.
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well 3000 I just might take you up on that 8) and thanks for the offer.
it's going to be another week before I get to it.
she's going to get a small amount of help flowing, mcculloch titan 57 carb, muffler mod and a squishing. she'll need those fins. :)
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Good enough just let me know.
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well 3000 I just might take you up on that 8) and thanks for the offer.
it's going to be another week before I get to it.
she's going to get a small amount of help flowing, mcculloch titan 57 carb, muffler mod and a squishing. she'll need those fins. :)
What carb is on a Titan 57? Funny..................guys use Titan 57 pistons in some other saws. I hate those damn Titan saws (was a sin to reuse the grand old Titan chainsaw name on that line of .........), but I guess they have their usefulness afterall....8)
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one of the things I don't understand is the feeling that the fuel/oil lines are a difficult thing to do on the titan 50/57 model. there's more than enough room for the lines and your hands to fit. they come apart easily and it's pretty self explanatory where they go. quite honestly, I can have a titan 57 done way faster than most can have the lines done on any of the 'homeowner' models either stihl or Husqvarna are putting out. they're not even close to being bad to do.
mind you. I've been doing then since the release of them ;) ;D
the carb off the titan is a walbro hda, just larger breathing space.
you need to drill the small pulse passage and change some small bits over. but it's pretty straight forward.
i'll be doing a small how to on it when I get around to pulling the 400 down. :)
never have done this on a 4000, but on the 3400 and 3700 with the intake block smoothed and matched, it does wake them up nicely.
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one of the things I don't understand is the feeling that the fuel/oil lines are a difficult thing to do on the titan 50/57 model. there's more than enough room for the lines and your hands to fit. they come apart easily and it's pretty self explanatory where they go. quite honestly, I can have a titan 57 done way faster than most can have the lines done on any of the 'homeowner' models either stihl or Husqvarna are putting out. they're not even close to being bad to do.
mind you. I've been doing then since the release of them ;) ;D
the carb off the titan is a walbro hda, just larger breathing space.
you need to drill the small pulse passage and change some small bits over. but it's pretty straight forward.
i'll be doing a small how to on it when I get around to pulling the 400 down. :)
never have done this on a 4000, but on the 3400 and 3700 with the intake block smoothed and matched, it does wake them up nicely.
I may swap a Walbro SDC or Tillotson HS onto my PP375 sometime soon. Got a bunch of different variants of both to pick from. I'm not a fan of HDB (or HDA) carbs, although they do work well..................when they work well.
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Aaron I am not up to speed on the different model carbs. The ones you like what saws do they normally come on and are they larger in venturi size.
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Aaron I am not up to speed on the different model carbs. The ones you like what saws do they normally come on and are they larger in venturi size.
The SDC and HS were both made in a multitude of venturi sizes.
SDC's were used on most of the McCulloch 10-series saws from 54-82cc, Some 103cc and 123cc McCullochs, some 100cc Homelite 1050/1130G saws, many Homelite 58cc SXL-AO and 58cc XL-101 series saws (first saw with an SDC was a Homelite XL-101), and many others.
I've seen Tillotson HS carbs on saws from the 46cc Remington SL-9 (and the larger Remingtons of that design), through the 54/58cc Homelite XL-12/SXL series (first saw with a Tillotson HS was the XL-12), all of the 77/82cc Homelite XL-700/800/900 series, Poulan 200/300 series and 360-451 series 59-74cc saws, all of the 69-85cc 4200-8500 CounterVibes, many 61-99cc Husqvarnas (61-272, 181-288, 285-2101XP, etc), and on and on and on.
I will probably use an SDC or HS from an XL-12 series Homelite or 10-series Mac, as I have a bunch to choose from. Will let you know the specifics of what I end up using. The HDB19-1 on a 4000 has a 16.67mm (.656" or so) venturi bore.
Some SDC and HS carbs have a .625" venturi/.750" throttle bore. Some HS carbs are .687"/.812". Some larger SDC's are .750"/.812". Other HS carbs were made in a multitude of venturi and throttle bore sizes for Husqvarna/Jonsered and others.
There's also more to a carburetor than venturi/throttle bore sizes. Metering chamber/diaphragm sizes, pump section sizes and configurations, and many other things affect how a carb works with a given engine. I've found SDC and HS carbs to be much less quirky/touchy than the HDA/HDB carbs. They're easy to work on and I usually have a multitude of kits for them on hand. There are versions of both that are suitable for the 3400-4000 application. Internal impulse passage and an integral idle speed screw are two such items on my checklist.
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Great info there Aaron. I appreciate your letting me know what carb you end up using and what you think of the performance.
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I did some cutting with a Poulan 4000 today. Not much because the chain needs work. I sharpened it two laps around on the grinder and hit it with a file as well but now realize the rakers are too high.
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I did some cutting with a Poulan 4000 today. Not much because the chain needs work. I sharpened it two laps around on the grinder and hit it with a file as well but now realize the rakers are too high.
I just acquired a 4000 myself. I have not had the chance to do much with it yet but I did pull the muffler and the piston and cylinder are in very nice shape.
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I'm very impressed with my 4000. Feels like it has a good 25-30% more power than a 3400. Doesn't give up much to a Husky 268XP either.
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The 4000 I had cut right with any 65cc. I ran it with a bunch of them one day to test for fun.
Thats the saw to have in that series IMO.
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I'm curious to see how my PP375 runs compared to my 4000. It has all the 4000 stuff on it (better starter, air filter, and muffler outlet), and is just lacking 3cc (as it has the 3700 p/c). Will also see if I can get any more out of it with the carb swap. I have a PP395 lined up too. Think I'll be done gathering saws in this series at that point. Sold my 3400's....
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That PP395 is a 4000 with a chain brake.
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That PP395 is a 4000 with a chain brake.
They don't always have a CB. I have seen a few 395's without CB's, although the 395 I'm getting does have one.
Mostly a 395 is a late production 4000 in gold and Grey, often with a Zama C3A carb rather than a Walbro HDB.
A PP375 is a gold/black 3700 with the 4000 flywheel, starter pulley, muffler, air filter, and AF cover. My PP375 came to me with a non-CB clutch cover and a Zama C3A carb.
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I have never seen a 395 without a chain brake or a clutch cover marked 395 without a chain brake. When I bought my first 395 someone had removed the chain brake but it still had the clutch cover made for one.
Personally I prefer them without the chain brake. They add weight to the saw and plugs up when cutting noodles.
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Would that chainbrake fit a 4000? I usually don't keep saws without chain brakes but if one was retrofitable, I may hang onto one of the CounterVibes. I know some of them had brakes up in Canada, never saw a CounterVibe here in the USA that had one. I'm sure they exist, I've never encountered one myself however.
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Yes a clutch cover with a chain brake from a PP395 will fit on a 4000, but they are hard to find but not impossible.
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Has anyone got the measurement of thickness of the 4000 thin rings? in mm or "
If not I'll try and do it later.
Here is what I came up with for the poulan 4000 thin rings in pic above.
.022" or 0.55mm
I measured the ones I have and came up with .023" and .55mm. So I would say they are the same just depends on how much pressure you put on the dial indicator. I used two different indicators for inches and millimeters.
Bump for Aaron
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I just ran a conversion for .55mm = 0.0216535433 inch
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22 thousandths or about like a dime?
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The following table gives specifications for The United States Mint legal tender coins presently in production for United States Mint Annual Sets.
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/?action=coin_specifications
Getting cornfused. ??? Then I read this. To maintain a standard weight and alloy, the diameter of most coins was reduced. In particular, the dime was reduced in diameter from 18.8 to 18.5 millimeters.
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Thanks Kevin.
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I was wrong for the link says that a dime is 53 thousandths thick.
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4000 bore 49.2mm
3700 47.7mm
3400 46mm
bump again
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I have that written down somewhere, but thanks for posting it again.
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I have that written down somewhere, but thanks for posting it again.
I'm forgetting all this stuff. If it wasnt for guys asking about it and me remembering I posted it here for safe keeping. I would be lost anymore.
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I've worked on certain things and had all the spec etc at one time and two or three years later I have to look it all up or figure it out all over again.
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love this thread.
aaron, did you do the carb swap you was talkin bout?
will pc from a 4000 bolt on to the pp375?
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I believe the PP375 is the same as a 3700 and so a 4000 jug and piston should fit on the PP 375.
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love this thread.
aaron, did you do the carb swap you was talkin bout?
will pc from a 4000 bolt on to the pp375?
No I haven't gotten any further on that idea yet Jerry. The 4000 p/c will indeed swap onto a 3700, 3800, or 3400. Before you go at it.............be forewarned that the piston pin is a pressed fit.
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Freaking bull crap luck. In my search for a certain craftsman 3.7 I turn up another 4000 and 3.3 so far. The 4000 I cant pass up even though not a saw to my liking even though they cut great like a mule and any 65cc out there. Owned a nice running 4000 before and sent it down the road, will do the same with this one once in my hands. I just prefer the newer 415 425 3750 380 etc saws.
I have a pic but will wait till in my hands.
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I wish I had a 3.7 to trade for that 4000. 8)
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I wish I had a 3.7 to trade for that 4000. 8)
Me too. But it has to be that certain 3.7. ;)
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I know which one you're looking for.
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I know which one you're looking for.
You know the sad part. That nice one that sold in Ohio for $125 plus shipping was John's. He took it in on trade.
Man if I knew ahead of time it was him. We have met half way before trading saws before.
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That stinks.
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I am glad that you prefer the newer series over the 3400/4000 series however; means we're not competing for the same saws (and are open for more trades in the future). That's also why I don't mind your prejudice against reed valve saws (although I do give you **** about it from time to time). 8)
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The older and the reed saws are stronger and built like a tank. I just prefer the newer stuff.
I cant say anything bad about them besides the little extra weight they have. They just aint my cup tea is all, a preference thing.
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It'd be boring if we all preferred the same saws. 8)
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That is why I like them both. Although I do like the newer ones a little more but not enouph to get rid of my 4000's and 3700's.
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Freaking bull crap luck. In my search for a certain craftsman 3.7 I turn up another 4000 and 3.3 so far. The 4000 I cant pass up even though not a saw to my liking even though they cut great like a mule and any 65cc out there. Owned a nice running 4000 before and sent it down the road, will do the same with this one once in my hands. I just prefer the newer 415 425 3750 380 etc saws.
I have a pic but will wait till in my hands.
Those 4000's do make great bartering saws
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Freaking bull crap luck. In my search for a certain craftsman 3.7 I turn up another 4000 and 3.3 so far. The 4000 I cant pass up even though not a saw to my liking even though they cut great like a mule and any 65cc out there. Owned a nice running 4000 before and sent it down the road, will do the same with this one once in my hands. I just prefer the newer 415 425 3750 380 etc saws.
I have a pic but will wait till in my hands.
Those 4000's do make great bartering saws
I cant believe what people are wanting for them on other sites. Plus what they are bringing on feebay. $350-$375 plus shipping. Nuts IMO.
If I dont have to touch this 4000 should be in the 200 range or right trades.
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I like the 4000's and I think they are great saws but there has been a lot of hype about them also. I have 2 395's and 2 4000's and really, I like my 3700's that I have tweaked just as well if not better for half the money that they want for those 4000's. The one 4000 I have came from Nik aka fatguy that was ported I believe by Brad. Nik sanded and polished the bar and then blued it. The saw runs good but the bar is is really nice looking.
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I think I remember running that 4000 at one of the poulan gtgs.
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I cant remember the psi figures for this series of saws. Know some were higher and lower.
3400
3700
4000
Owner of the 4000 said this one has 160psi. Sound about right for these?
Also I am thinking my last one was all green with blue gold stickers.
I seen Gregg's later one with black rear handle and black stickers.
This one from what I can see on recoil side. Has black rear handle and blue gold stickers.
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The 3400 run around 125 to 135 psi.
The 3700 will run around 150 to 160 psi
The 4000 is the same as the 3700 they both have two thin rings and the only real difference is in
the bore size as far as compression goes.
I have seen the exception posted where someone got up to 175 psi on the 3700 and 4000 models.
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Thank you................
I'll show this for now. Looks clean. Tree guy owns and just sets as a back up I guess.
Only pic I could get.
OhioGregg Poulan psi
I'm done testing saw compression for a while. After about six of them, the fun wore off. :msp_wink: I didn't do all of them, but wanted to get an idea. Stephen, yours saws are really putting out compared to mine.
5200 -- 160 lbs. PP 375 -- 140 lbs. PP Super 380 --- 170 lbs.
5200 -- 165 lbs. 3700 --- 130 lbs. 245A ----------- 140 lbs.
4200 -- 165 lbs. 3700 --- 140 lbs. 306A ----------- 135 lbs.
4000 -- 150 lbs. 3400 --- 130 lbs. 306A ----------- 90 lbs.
4000 -- 150 lbs. 3400 --- 125 lbs. S25DA --------- 135 lbs.
4000 -- 150 lbs. 3400 --- 120 lbs. 385XP ---------- 150 lbs.
4000 -- 140 lbs.
4000 -- 135 lbs.
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Nice looking saw the compression is good. Looks like a winner.
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Nice looking saw the compression is good. Looks like a winner.
But not what I want. :'( :'( :'( The search continues.
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The search is what makes it fun.
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The search is what makes it fun.
It is to me.
I still keep my eyes open for another Red Predator 335 too and another 445. I wish now I would have just paid the freaking $90 for the 445 topend now. Hindsight.
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I ordered a rebuild kit for a poulan 4000 carb I didnt end up being able to buy do to a thief. So I wonder what else this kit fits.
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I ordered a rebuild kit for a poulan 4000 carb I didnt end up being able to buy do to a thief. So I wonder what else this kit fits.
What???
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I ordered a rebuild kit for a poulan 4000 carb I didnt end up being able to buy do to a thief. So I wonder what else this kit fits.
What???
Somebody stole the guys 4 huskys and stihls and climbing gear, only left the poulan. He does firewood and tree work and only saw for now.
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Oh that sucks.
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Only other saw I've worked on (other than these 3400-4000/ PM375-395 saws) that took that kit was the McCulloch PM600 series (at least the ones that didn't have the zama). There are probably other saws with Walbro HDB's that take the K10-HDB kit.
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I ordered a rebuild kit for a poulan 4000 carb I didnt end up being able to buy do to a thief. So I wonder what else this kit fits.
What???
Somebody stole the guys 4 huskys and stihls and climbing gear, only left the poulan. He does firewood and tree work and only saw for now.
UPDATE
The guy got lucky.
One of the guys sons pawned one of my saws and thats all it took. They found all my stuff at the kids dads shop.
Told him I would still take the 4000 when all said and done. So who wants a running cutting poulan 4000. :P
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I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
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I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I don't need a second 4000. It'd be silly for me to want another 4000. I have plenty of 64-72cc saws.
I should be saying the same dang thing. Butttttttt I want to make sure it gets to someone that likes them.
Me I still want a Craftsman 3.7 60cc instead. ;)
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Oh has black rear handle too. My other one was green rear handle.
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Oh has black rear handle too. My other one was green rear handle.
DAMMIT. LMK what you're looking to get out of the 4000.
I'm still looking for a black 3.7 branded 3600 for you too.
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Oh has black rear handle too. My other one was green rear handle.
DAMMIT. LMK what you're looking to get out of the 4000.
I'm still looking for a black 3.7 branded 3600 for you too.
OK poulan gurus on these series of saws.
I have seen the blue gold decals with green rear handle. Seen the black rear handle with black gold decals.
Now this one has the blue gold decals with black rear handle. :P
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(http://tweaker.smugmug.com/photos/624560671_LCPR7-M.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/Gregg500/4000Pics007.jpg)
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Nice saw Kevin. What do you want for it. I just got home from my part time job and today was payday so another 100 dollars in the bank. I know it's not much but I only work 7 to 8 hours a week.
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Roger not in my hands yet. But spoke for.
Anything could happen just like when the others saws were stolen before.
I will price it to you 2 when I get it and give a quick look over. Hint. Probably the same $ as the last one I sold and this one looks in better condition. Which is close to half of what everyone else seems to be asking and selling them at now days. :o
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Ok thanks.
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Thanks Kevin. Looking forward to it.
I've never seen a black handle saw with the blue decals either. My 4000 looks like the blue decal/green handle saw in your top pic. I've also seen the green/black decals on the black handle saws.
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So what happened to Brokenbudget's 4000 mods?
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So what happened to Brokenbudget's 4000 mods?
3400 mods thread. never seen a 4000 one by BB
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Somebody wanted to see these pics.
1 of the inside of recoil and flywheel, 1 of the S clip, and 1 of the 2 bar studs, same length studs 1 appears to have been buggered up on the threads end and this was how someone had fixed it in the past. It functions as should and never a problem due to the poor ugly bar stud.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000005.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000008.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000011.jpg)
For some reason I'm not seeing the pictures?
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Somebody wanted to see these pics.
1 of the inside of recoil and flywheel, 1 of the S clip, and 1 of the 2 bar studs, same length studs 1 appears to have been buggered up on the threads end and this was how someone had fixed it in the past. It functions as should and never a problem due to the poor ugly bar stud.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000005.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000008.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000011.jpg)
For some reason I'm not seeing the pictures?
I see all 3 of them still.
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Now?
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000005.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000008.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000011.jpg)
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Now?
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000005.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000008.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/doemaster789/2100/recoil4000011.jpg)
I see the pictures at home but not on my computer at work.?
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The 4000 is a beast of a saw in the 3400 case, It is my go to saw when i need to get something done in a hurry. Now that I have the 415 (65cc) i will be doing a test with both of them.
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The 4000 is a beast of a saw in the 3400 case, It is my go to saw when i need to get something done in a hurry. Now that I have the 415 (65cc) i will be doing a test with both of them.
That should be interesting. But I think the 415 will win that one.
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I would probably agree with Roger that the 415 might win a race with a 4000. I'm not familiar with the 415, so can't speak with experience. But I can speak with a LOT of experience with a 4000, and they are my favorite all around use saw. When I head to the woods, I usually take at least 2 saws with me, sometimes 3 depending on what I'm working on. One of them is always a 4000. ;D
I used a 3400 for 20+ years as my only saw, so I will never bad mouth a 3400. I prefer a 20" bar on a 4000, but can use a 24" if needed, without any trouble. Can't really say that about the 3400. I wish I had bought a 4000 NEW back in spring of 1986 when I bought my 3400. I don't remember what a 4000 sold for then, I paid just close to $300 with tax for the 3400, and I thought that was huge amount for me back then. That was the limiting factor for me at the time. $$$ or I would have bought a 4000.
There are lighter saws, more powerful saws, and faster saws, than the 4000. But none more dead nuts get the job done reliable than the 4000. IMO. Don't need to be a rocket scientist, or contortionist, to service or work on them either. Simple saws for a simple man. Just need gas, oil, and a sharp chain and go cut wood. ;)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f201/Gregg500/4000Pics022.jpg)
Gregg,
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I have to agree with you Greg you bring up some good points on reliability and ease to work on.
I have 2 4000's now and 2 395's and running a 24" bar is a piece of cake.
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The 4000 is a beast of a saw in the 3400 case, It is my go to saw when i need to get something done in a hurry. Now that I have the 415 (65cc) i will be doing a test with both of them.
I have a video of my 4000 with square chain. Then my 415 video much later with round. There is no comparison in the cuts IMO.
The 4000 is a strong reliable work horse torque saw. Not the fastest.
The 415 sold new for about same cost and came with 24" bar new. Hs alot more plastic as in covers and tank. Also can be converted to 71cc 77cc 83cc. The 415 wins in the cut.
Also if you notice I sold the 4000 and kept the 415 425 saws.
We all have our favorites.
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4000 square filed chain in poplar looks 9" to 11" round
https://youtu.be/oydyJh35_Tw
415 baseball bat hard dry ash with off reel round chain. 12.5" round
https://youtu.be/Kx2U5HAIfeQ
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acronhill you ever get that new 415 issues figured out? If so update the 415 thread for use on fix.
acronhill says you can make poulan 4000 rings from these too. Take a set of 4900 rings and cut down to fit
I know it is in thread somewhere already too.
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Poulan 4000 thin ring specs bump
Thick .55mm = 0.0216535433 inch
49.2mm
I just ran a conversion for .55mm = 0.0216535433 inch
4000 bore 49.2mm
3700 47.7mm
3400 46mm
2017 info saved. Tim's repost
Here are the actual displacement numbers in that series for the heck of it. The stock stroke was measured by a machinist that made a stroker crank for a 3400.
Poulan 3400, 4000 saw stroke is 1.319" (33.5mm) and displacement
Volume of a cylinder V=πr2h (volume = pi X (radius squared) X height (stroke)
3400 3.14159 X (1.81/2 )squared X 1.319 = 55.614 cc
3700 59.681 cc
3800 59.9999 cc
4000 63.562cc
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There is 3 saws for 60 in north ohio. 1 of the saws is a 4000. Not worth the hour drive for me. Maybe someone up north grab them
Tim's info again saved.
I do believe the 3700 cylinder and the 3800 cylinders come out of the same die cast mold. The plated bore on the 3700 is 1.875" and the the bore on the bare 3800 cylinder is 1.880". The aluminum alloy would very likely be different as the bare bore requires the use of a high silicon aluminum alloy. I think the Chevy Vega was the first north American car to use this technology.
Poulan 3400, -4000 saw stroke is 1.319"(33.5mm) and displacement
Volume of a cylinder V=πr2h
3400 3.14159 X (1.81/2 )squared X 1.319 = 55.614 cc
(16.3871 cc per cu in)
3400 bore is 1.810"
3700 59.681 cc Bore 1.875"
3800 59.9999 cc Bore 1.880"
4000 63.562cc Bore 1.935"
7700 bore 1.957 in. 49.7mm
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Pic of the 3 for $60 Poulan 4000 2000 and a Homelite 330
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Certainly worth $60 and a 2 hour round trip for the 4000 and the 2000. 4000 will easily triple that money and you can't ever have too many Micros. 8)
The 330 is 'meh'... The run OK, but aren't fun to work on and won't do anything a 3400, SXL-AO, 10-10, or 2800-3600 series won't do.
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Only 3 poulan 4000 ring rings left better get them NLA https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-POULAN-PISTON-RING-530026003-NLA-OEM-FREE-SHIPPING-PN3/152764860168?epid=1701875952&hash=item23917ec708:g:m48AAOSw63FZ9kYr
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Only 3 poulan 4000 ring rings left better get them NLA https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-POULAN-PISTON-RING-530026003-NLA-OEM-FREE-SHIPPING-PN3/152764860168?epid=1701875952&hash=item23917ec708:g:m48AAOSw63FZ9kYr
Yep I had already got one.
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Only 3 poulan 4000 ring rings left better get them NLA https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-POULAN-PISTON-RING-530026003-NLA-OEM-FREE-SHIPPING-PN3/152764860168?epid=1701875952&hash=item23917ec708:g:m48AAOSw63FZ9kYr
Yep I had already got one.
I sold my 2 sets for $25 a set. So just under $30 for a set shipped for a NLA ring is good IMHO
poulan 4000 ring 530026003
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Poulan 4000 Canadian version
Guy just sold it for $50. green blue decals, orangish color and chain brake etc
Will post pics later.
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Damn
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Wow that was a great price. Like to see those pics when you get them posted.
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Wow that was a great price. Like to see those pics when you get them posted.
Forgot and got busy and then ran out of space. :P
Hope I got the right ones.
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Weird thing to me is the short hand guard deal on cover part with the chain brake. Was this normal?
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Guy I know that was at my last little gtg is selling a poulan 4000 with 24". $250 if anyone wants more info.
Poulan 4000 Counter vibe series 64cc 24” bar runs cuts and oils as it should comes with 2 chains and bar cover. This saw is in Excellent condition and runs very well.
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Looks like a low usage saw to me.
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Weird thing to me is the short hand guard deal on cover part with the chain brake. Was this normal?
That's a heat shield. It's installed on chainbrake equipped saws (and is included in the chainbrake refit kits). It's installed in place of the large heat shield/hand guard that the non chainbrake saws have. The forward edge of the top cover stops well short of covering the muffler body. A lotta heat comes of that can, and it's close to the fingers.
This 3400-4000/PP375-395 series uses this heat shield, as does the 5200-8500 series when chainbrake equipped. A while back I bought a chainbrake refit kit from my 8500 from Bryce Stott on eBay. The heat shield is in the kit, and is shown on the kit's instruction sheet.
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Guy I know that was at my last little gtg is selling a poulan 4000 with 24". $250 if anyone wants more info.
Poulan 4000 Counter vibe series 64cc 24” bar runs cuts and oils as it should comes with 2 chains and bar cover. This saw is in Excellent condition and runs very well.
He SOLD it PHO for $150 and shipping. Heading east coast.
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Local I know has a running 4000 for $100, says runs. I know the guy but I am not interested in the series. About a hour round trip for me.
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I took this poulan countervibe stuff in trade today to help a member get his parts he needed. Traded 380 3750 p+c and 22" badboy bar and new chain and a crankcase for his 3450.
The poulan 4000 has a 3400 rear handle on it do to the 4000 handle in pic was craccked and other half broken. The 4000 recoil pulley and recoil still good but he said the flywheel had a issue. So replaced with a 3400 flywheel and recoil cover.
Craftsman 3.7 was told runs but has a break you can see in rear handle at back L. 3400 just a part saw with clean looking piston.
Will sell or trade off to folks too.
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For the folks asking in PM's. I will just post them all here.
3400 3.7/3800 4000
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Red 3.7 3800 SOLD
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Poulan 4000 I took on trade yesterday. Shows just a hair over 130psi for the thin ring topend.
Showing the difference in the 4000 recoil pulley and 3400 pulley. The 4000 flywheel I was told had a issue so the 3400 flywheel and recoil was used.
The 4000 rear handle was broke so I was told the 3400 handle was put in it's place. You can see the 4000 handle half that is left is lot less use.
The auto oiler works, didnt try the manual.
It does start up and take throttle, but IMO acts like it has a air leak. I would guess a crank seal, being it changes when done side to side.
I will sell whole with the extra 4000 parts included or I will possibly part out. If you price the air filter cover, 4000 high top air filter, 4000 pulley 4000 recoil, 4000 topend. You will notice they are high. I will sell whole cheaper then parting it out. Just so you know up front.
PHO $125 plus shipping or trade for?
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Last owner said he put in a carb kit and fuel line. I seen the duckbill for tank vent too but on old line.
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4000 SPF
update SOLD
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While I was packing up the 4000. I noticed the bar plates still looked like new.
Took a fresh pic of piston after running it to make sure before packing too.
3.7 4000 ready to go. Only thing left from the trade in group was 3400 parts saw stuff if needed.
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Just scored a Poulan 4000 P&C on Ebay that was advertised as a 3400, measures a little over 49mm chrome bore, bare piston and thin rings. I'm thinking that is a 4000? Bore looks great top ring seems stuck with carbon.
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Sounds like one.
Going to move it to the 4000 thread where the specs are there for you to look at too.
3700 was also thin ring. So just check your bore specs compared to what is posted in threads here.
Pic of p+c set ? Good price too 45. I just sold whole 4000 for 125 and ship.
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Guys looking for those poulan 4000 395 pulleys dont pay those ebay gouging prices listed. I know a dealer that still has some in stock.
I am asking him if he wants me to buy the 2 or just send folks to him. If I have to buy them I will sell for my total cost plus the shipping for the guys in need of these.
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Both NOS pulleys for 4000 395 and 3 NOS thin rings for same saws bought. Will set on shelf for folks needs.
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Brand new never installed NOS poulan pro 395. Plus the poulan 4000 pulley which appears it may have been used at one time seeing the pawl drag. Can see the stress crack they get in them even from just setting on shelf.
Still tight.
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Pulleys and thin rings in hand. 1 NOS pulley and 1 used IMO.
The rings come in the sleeve and sold to me as NOS. But would like to make sure. I never measured the last NOS 4000 PP395 ring sets.
Like to know the width of ring. Anyone have a NOS one to measure please?
Like I did with the 2100 thin rings = New 2.07mm and used set 1.82mm and 1.86mm.
I know the thickness is .55mm
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Todd said new were .60 mm thick, 2.06 mm width.
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Todd said new were 2.06 mm width.
They check out with my cheap calibers. 03-06
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Just been paying attention to this lately. Seems most of the 4000 395 pulleys have that seam that opens a bit.
One in a used recoil that is FS right now I seen.
I checked the 2 I got in and both very tight and ready to use. I had $9 in shipping for both. Split that between the 2. One is NOS and 1 light wear used IMO.
I'll get pics of the pulleys and poulan 4000 395 thin rings in a bit.
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Poulan 4000 PP395 parts NOS and used. I just went through the parts I bought to help others keep this series of saws going.
The 4000 PP395 pulleys IMO is 1 nos and 1 used as I can see where the pawls turned on it. Both have that normal stress gap at the seam in the plastic area. But checked both over and both super tight and ready to go.
The 3 4000 PP395 thin rings I got in are 1 nos and 2 used set. NOS width is 2.06 and the 2 used measure 2.03 so not wore much at all.
These might fit the PP385 too, but never had one to check.
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Poulan 4000 PP395 parts NOS and used. I just went through the parts I bought to help others keep this series of saws going.
The 4000 PP395 pulleys IMO is 1 nos and 1 used as I can see where the pawls turned on it. Both have that normal stress gap at the seam in the plastic area. But checked both over and both super tight and ready to go.
The 3 4000 PP395 thin rings I got in are 1 nos and 2 used set. NOS width is 2.06 and the 2 used measure 2.03 so not wore much at all.
These might fit the PP385 too, but never had one to check.
@countryhog Here is the info on the 3 rings.
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Very interested in 1-NOS and 1-used. Whats $
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Very interested in 1-NOS and 1-used. Whats $
You will be getting the 1 nos and the 1 pair of used for that. ;)
Poulan 3400 3700 3800 4000 rim drum oregon 23706 oregon 23706x
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Very interested in 1-NOS and 1-used. Whats $
You will be getting the 1 nos and the 1 pair of used for that. ;)
4000 rings SOLD
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See ur payal
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See ur payal
I see it. Thanks.
Will try and get them packed and shipped today.
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please note that i went ahead and bought all 3 rings. thanks,
jerry
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please note that i went ahead and bought all 3 rings. thanks,
jerry
Yep I got ya covered. Thanks for paying so fast. Had a waiting line.
But knew you been asking and looking so had tagged ya.
You can tell the NOS ring as it still has the black look top and sides.
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Guys looking for those poulan 4000 395 pulleys dont pay those ebay gouging prices listed. I know a dealer that still has some in stock.
I am asking him if he wants me to buy the 2 or just send folks to him. If I have to buy them I will sell for my total cost plus the shipping for the guys in need of these.
ebay seller is wanting 55 plus shipping (IMO that is gouging folks). These 2 are half that price each plus shipping. ;) Really even less then half. No gouging folks here.
(http://chainsawrepair.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=973.0;attach=27700;image)
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Thanks much. Preciate the confidence. Jerry
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Couldn’t check over and didn’t care myself. Will see what’s up later. Poulan 4000
Was just buying for parts.
But looks like it will clean up nice if it can be a runner.
Just in case someone cant find the NLA poulan 4000 thin ring. = Info from Todd Poulan 7700 thin rings just fit the gap .067
Poulan 7700 49.7mm 1.957 in.
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I just smiled so big 😁😃. The recoil bolts were just loose. So not a broken spring or pulley. All good. Peeked though the plug hole and cylinder looked like new. Had some crap plug in it so throw a ngk and see if she will fire off in a bit. Crap fuel line ran it it and didnt check tank vent lint. But looks mint inside low hour homeowner owned saw.
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She runs to cut another day,
Got lucky. Lot of little things why he couldn’t get started .
I just happen to know where to go on these homeowner saws that get neglected.
I always try to save first. Before parting.
1 fly fin missing.
Auto and manual oilers work. win win.
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Going to pull the carb to rebuild. Diaphragms acting up.
Plus fines inside.
That’s better now I can finish testing out later.
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Poulan 4000 65cc with some of the grime off.
16” poulan Windsor bar and 4 crap safety Oregon chains came with it. 3/8 60dl. New lines, new duckbill new ngk new carb kit installed.
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Manuals back then sure helped owners in the know how to service their saws. I was impressed with it before handing over to new owner. Pics of ipl section. Poulan 4000
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Alot of manufacturers used to put out great documentation until they become paranoid over proprietary information.
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Poulan 4000 pulley usable fix instead of OEM ones.
Todd Loosli says = If you want to make it work for the 3400 all you have to do is cut the dogs on the 3400 flywheel like the picture
https://youtu.be/43TqM5K__eg
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Anyone recall poulan 4000 with black tank with these older decals still?
3400 clutch cover, 4000 air filter cover, 4000 on recoil, looks like a 3800 style black tank. Looks like 4000 muffler style.
Dont want to pay 100 for a dang 3400.
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Think @OhioGregg has a newer 4000 with black decals and tank. But never seen these blue recoil decal on a black tank one.
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Well maybe later 4000 with 3400 clutch cover and 4000 recoil cover. Piston shows thin rings. So 4000 or 3700 top.
So I'll take chance. 100 worth of parts there worst case scenario.
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Took a chance on this poulan 4000 65cc being what the recoil, muffler and air filter cover told me in pics.
When seller showed me thin rings I ask pic for of piston. That told me 3700 or 4000.
Has someone’s home brews to high top cover and front of muffler. But shield covers it.
Also looks like they scratched on the upper lower exhaust but did really do anything from looks. Maybe they were just removing carbon.🤷🏼♂️
Has metal 3400 clutch cover. 4000 pulley and flywheel. Only black tank 4000’s I had ever saw though had black decals too. Not the early blue. Anyone?
Looks like my parts saw handle has a use now.
Someone carved the stihl fuel filter to try and use. No wonder it fell off.
Got this wrong but least fuel line goes to carb.
Can see in the one pic where it must have set on a concrete floor for awhile. 😬
Check and cleaning none through. 😎
New one for me on these. Never had the long front handle bolt snap off inside the handle. 😳From parts saw with hoping going to be used handle.
Drilling out broken bolt didn’t work. No threads left and over size bolt not a option.
Figures was my last handle in that style.
Bore check checked out 4000
530069290 3400 pulley
530026371 4000 pulley
530010615 air filter cover
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Handle on order being out of this series.
Saving some info. Homelite 410 ring 93216 1.937 in. (49 mm)
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That project 4000 is up and running and idling fine 8) . Handle shows arriving today.
So another saved
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Auto oiler flows weak. Manual works good.
So far the limited test cutting it is passing.
Red 3.7 thin ring, sold as 3.0 18" really 3.4, 4000.
These series seem to be hard to sell even local unless a collector filling in gaps. Bring more parting out. Why I parted a 3.7 thin ring instead of going through it do to it's roughness.
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Talk about lucking out. Tested today and auto oiler flowing like normal now. 😎